00:00What do you think is going to happen to him when Charles dies?
00:02Well, I think he's worried what's going to happen. He's going to no longer be protected.
00:07William is going to deal with him. I think William wants to deal with him before Charles dies.
00:11He wants the stables cleaned. And this is what the negotiations are going on at the moment.
00:17So, I mean, the window dressing is that Andrew will leave by the spring and he's a good boy
00:22and he's done what he's been told. The reality is Andrew never goes like a good boy.
00:27He's going to go kicking and screaming. He's got this cast iron guarantee for his royal lodge
00:33and they need to make it worth his while. And that means lots of money and lots of guarantees.
00:39And those guarantees include, again, a pretty big house, extensive staff, a gardener, a driver, a housekeeper, a cook.
00:47His daughters are basically kept within the fold of the royal family.
00:51It'll be interesting to see what happens to them at Christmas.
00:52And apart from this money, guarantees that this will carry on when William comes to the throne.
01:02And always Sarah was always like, we're the happiest, you know, divorced couple in the world, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
01:07I mean, now they're going to live in separate houses, correct?
01:10Yes, but they were always separate, separate. They haven't had a sexual relationship for 40 years.
01:14Oh, I know that.
01:15But I just meant in terms of like, you know, I love him so much and we're so happy and, you know.
01:20She called him an intellectual zombie and that was one of the kindest things she said about him.
01:24What's their relationship like now? Do you know?
01:26Oh, she's cut loose. She sees he's toxic. She's going to rebrand herself. She's off.
01:31Wow.
01:31I mean, you know, he's no longer a prince. He's no longer in Royal Lodge. She's no longer got a calling card.
01:38And so she's going to reinvent herself. I call her the Houdini of the royal family.
01:42She will always escape somehow and come back, you know.
01:46So first of all, oh my God, you're kind of responsible for Prince Andrew losing his title, which is wild.
01:53Yes. Yes, possibly. Yes. Certainly set the far ball going.
01:58Yeah. I mean, do you think I really do believe your book had a lot to do with it?
02:03It's kind of to say so. Well, I think certainly, you know, it started things.
02:06And then I think people felt much more emboldened after that, particularly the press.
02:10And I think there was, you know, it landed at a time when I think the public were disillusioned, I suppose, with elites and the sense that they didn't really have any control of what things.
02:20And there was this very protected institution, which had basically seen off any sort of scrutiny.
02:25And I've been calling for this sort of accountability for a decade now.
02:28And no one listened to me. I was a sort of lone voice in the wilderness.
02:32And now suddenly all these people who didn't answer my calls are trumpeting things.
02:36Right. Since the book came out, what new information have you discovered?
02:42Well, I've had, I would say, almost every day, two or three people come to me with stories of encounters with him, former schoolmates, former Navy colleagues, former members of staff, former diplomats who weren't prepared to talk to me.
02:56I've had some people from the intelligence agencies who were frustrated, who were reporting things that were just being ignored.
03:04I've had all sorts of new areas which I hadn't even looked at.
03:07His involvement in Mongolia, taking prostitutes to hotels in Hong Kong, extraordinary tsunami of staff, former, former equity, someone who was asked to be his private secretary.
03:19The only thing that really worries him is that he's no longer a prince.
03:22That was the really important thing. He used to describe himself as, I'm a prince first, a naval officer second, and a husband third.
03:28And so he can't go on the balcony. He can't get all the attention.
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