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In this Special Report, India Today’s Maria Shakil discusses the tragic murder of 24-year-old Angel Chakma in Dehradun, sparking a nationwide debate on racial discrimination against Northeast Indians. Congress MP Pradyut Bordoloi accuses the administration of a 'cover-up,' while BJP National Spokesperson Sanju Verma condemns 'toxic narratives' and highlights the government's swift action. Former IPS officer Dr. Kiran Bedi calls for 'preventive policing' and 'rough registers' to curb hate crimes. Activist Dr. Alana Golmei demands the implementation of the Bezbaruah Committee recommendations, specifically the insertion of Section 153C in the Bharatiya Nyaya Sanhita to criminalize racial slurs. The panel explores the need for stricter laws and cultural sensitization.
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00:00Joining me on the show tonight, Pradyut Bardoloy is a member of Parliament of the Congress Party from Assam.
00:06Dr. Kiran Bedi is former IPS officer.
00:09We have Sanju Varma, national spokesperson of the BJP.
00:12And Dr. Alana Golmay is a general secretary in Northeast Support Center and Helpline.
00:20Pradyut, I'm going to begin with you.
00:22How do you view Uttarakhand Chief Minister Dhani's response to this murder as completely unacceptable?
00:30And what specific accountability measures should be taken by the state?
00:38I have seen the statement of the Uttarakhand government.
00:44Somehow I have a sad feeling that the Daradun police and probably the administration there
00:52is trying to cover up and trivialize the entire incident.
00:57But I want to tell you, Maria, this is not just an isolated instance.
01:01I would like you to recall that in 2014, in the heart of Delhi, in Lajpatnagar,
01:10a 19-year-old Arunachal student, Nido Tanyam, was clapped to date in a similar incidence, actually.
01:18Same type of incidence.
01:20And all these incidences are found, the hate crimes, the discrimination, the prejudice against the North Eastern youths who are there.
01:32And this is my sad realization over the years.
01:36I was also a student of Delhi.
01:38I have found, even in those days, that somehow, many people in the North Indian cities, more particularly,
01:48have very scanty knowledge and understanding of the North East.
01:53They just are insensitive to other people of North East.
01:57Okay, Pradeed, as a student yourself, in Delhi, did you face some kind of slur or what is now being called as normalized hate against North East people?
02:10No, this kind of unfortunate incidences of taunting, insults, calling them Chinese or chinkies,
02:22all kinds of things are actually are always there.
02:26But what is important now, you know, after the incidence that took place in 2014,
02:32this government set up Bajrbaruva committee.
02:35The Bajrbaruva committee report was submitted to Mr. Amit Shah almost a decade ago.
02:41And that report has a slew of recommendations.
02:45Those recommendations have to be implemented.
02:49And then the people of the North East, wherever they are,
02:53they must have freedom from such racial discrimination and prejudice.
02:58Okay, okay, so certainly there is a huge concern.
03:01Before I talk about policing with Dr. Kiran Bedi, Sanju Verma, please come in, your reaction to this.
03:06Of course, you know, lots needs to be done.
03:09While we are looking at this particular case of Angel,
03:14there is another hate crime that has been reported in Tamil Nadu of someone who comes from Odessa.
03:22So when we look at the larger incidents,
03:26it also seems that Indians in general are becoming less compassionate or less empathetic.
03:39Ms. Sanju Verma.
03:47Sanju Verma, if you heard me.
03:50Yes, Maria, am I audible?
03:52Because there is some glitch in the audio line.
03:54Yes, please, go ahead, ma'am.
03:55Okay, you know, so Maria, first and foremost, to the Congress panelist, who I believe is a member of parliament too,
04:04my limited point is this.
04:06I think the moot point here is that let's not indulge in toxic narratives,
04:12and let's not engage in vicious stereotyping of certain communities.
04:17You know, I have seen often, and this is not just about politics.
04:20I will come to the political bit eventually.
04:22But the moot point here is this.
04:25Look at what Sam Fitroda, he's the head of Indian Overseas Congress.
04:29What did he say?
04:30You know, last year in 2024,
04:31he made that rather irresponsible remark where he said people from the north look like whites,
04:37people from the south look like blacks,
04:40people from west look like Arabs,
04:42and people from northeast and eastern part of India look like Chinese.
04:46I don't know what was the intent of making that statement,
04:49but the stereotyping, especially of people from the northeast,
04:53I think this has to be dealt with, point number one.
04:56Point number two, I think where the political part comes in,
05:00for instance, look at, you know, what has happened since 2014
05:04after Narendra Modi took charge at the helm.
05:071985, we had Rajiv Gandhi who signed the Assam Peace Accord
05:12to provide rights to indigenous Assamese people.
05:15Nothing happened for decades altogether.
05:18In 1986, we had the Mizo Accord.
05:23Nothing happened in terms of curbing insurgency in Mizo Ram.
05:27In 1988, the Congress signed a tripartite agreement in Tripura,
05:33but it failed there also.
05:34In fact, last year again, on the 4th of September 2024,
05:39we got in all stakeholders from Tripura
05:41and signed an agreement ensuring that violence is...
05:45This lady, this lady is diverting the core issue.
05:49I mean, this is very unfortunate.
05:51Can I please finish?
05:51Pradeaut, just be patient.
05:53I'm coming to you, Pradeaut.
05:54Let her finish your point.
05:55Yes, she's just diverting the issue.
05:55Let her finish your point.
05:56I'm coming to you.
05:58No, no, no.
05:58Let her finish your point.
05:59I'm coming to you.
06:01Pradeaut, let her finish.
06:02You know, I don't know why this gentleman is heckling me.
06:07I mean, being a governor of parliament,
06:09I expect him to show some courtesy.
06:11Maria, at least you don't interject.
06:12Let me finish.
06:13You know, Sanju, Sanju, I know what I'm doing.
06:15I know what I'm saying.
06:17My limited point is this.
06:18Beat the Tripura Accord, beat the Mizo Accord,
06:20beat the Accord with the Bodoland which was signed in 2004
06:23or the Assam Accord.
06:24The Congress for decades together failed to protect the rights
06:29of beat indigenous Tripuris, indigenous Mizos,
06:33indigenous Assamis or the indigenous people from the Bodo community.
06:37The Modi government has undone decades of neglect
06:41which the northeastern part of India faced.
06:44And I think I will simply say this.
06:47The Uttarakhand government is not going to leave any stone unturned
06:51in nabbing the two people who are still out there
06:54and who are responsible for the heinous murder of Angel Chakra.
06:58Let's bring in Dr. Kiran Bedi.
07:00Dr. Kiran Bedi, drawing from your policing experience,
07:04why do racial slurs that we are hearing a lot,
07:09you know, very, very unfortunate words,
07:11chinky or Nepalese, escalate to violence in places,
07:15say like Dehradun, what has happened
07:17and how should then FIRs mandate hate crime classifications?
07:24Maria, the concept of preventive policing has weakened
07:30for reasons that the boots and ground are more on law and order
07:35and reactive policing.
07:38The preventive policing, I'm looking at it as from the prevention point of view,
07:43long-term prevention point of view,
07:45and there's nothing political about this.
07:48It is that concept of prevention has declined.
07:52And how does prevention happen?
07:54Prevention happens when you have more boots on ground to patrol
07:57and also to connect with people, connect with interests,
08:02connect with women's groups, youth groups, elder groups, market associations.
08:07It's like the beat policing I've always talked about, but prevented.
08:10Now, what does preventive policing do?
08:13It engages with youth.
08:15It engages with interests.
08:18Now, in that, when it engages it, it maintains a system called rough register.
08:23It's a rough register means where, you see, such violence,
08:27such boys and girls, such boys, of course, the girls are not there.
08:31These men don't grow overnight.
08:34They've grown over a period.
08:35They're not just happening overnight.
08:37They've grown as people who've been taking law into their own hands.
08:43Now, there was also a concept called rough registers,
08:46maintaining rough registers,
08:48where we police officers used to maintain the records of those youth
08:54who are breaking the law on a regular basis
08:57and then bring them under some watch, some control,
09:01so-called rough registers.
09:03In the rough registers, these boys from school time
09:06or a little early time from college
09:08would show these tendencies of taking on law into their own hands.
09:12Now, when you have these rough registers,
09:14the beat system connects with these boys and boys
09:17and then maintains some systems of preventive policing.
09:23And then you also have preventive sections of law.
09:25If you are repeatedly coming under notice,
09:27you are under CRPC, now with the new laws,
09:32you can be brought under some check,
09:35like sureties, etc., or a preventive arrest,
09:38which also softens them, mollifies them,
09:42and puts them on some fear of law.
09:44I think the problem here, Maria,
09:45is that we have, because of us,
09:48so much of reactive policing,
09:50so much of pressure on policing,
09:51on investigation and firefighting,
09:54that our preventive concept of community policing
09:57and preventive policing has declined and weakened on ground.
10:00With the result, we are now reacting.
10:02And all these generations, the Gen Zs have grown.
10:05They've grown now almost free for all.
10:08So these are very tragic incidents,
10:10and these are not going to go away.
10:12Yes, you know, because there is another incident
10:14which has happened of a migrant being,
10:16you know, there's a very tragic incident,
10:20of course, those visuals are there,
10:22minor, in fact,
10:24minors have attacked a migrant worker.
10:26Do you think that there is a need
10:27for compulsory cultural sensitization modules,
10:32particularly in states
10:34which have high migrant inflows?
10:37Absolutely.
10:38It's a community culture.
10:40So the community culture has now weakened,
10:42and that community culture with policing,
10:45where even the elders play a role,
10:47certain, those people who have influence,
10:51the influencers are playing,
10:52and also more culture,
10:53more cultural activity,
10:55where there's harmony,
10:57and there's also cross-culture respect.
10:59I think those come in peacetime.
11:01They can come in peacetime,
11:02and that could, those could be encouraged.
11:04That's when harmony will take place.
11:06So whether you're from the northeast
11:07or the northwest,
11:08or you're the center,
11:10you integrate,
11:11and you work together as one community.
11:14I think that comes only
11:15where there are mobilizers,
11:17and there are leadership
11:18at the grassroots level,
11:20which is non-political sometimes.
11:22Non-political leadership has to emerge,
11:24which promotes culture,
11:26which promotes harmony,
11:27and which promotes also compassion.
11:29That's where the role of Dr. Alana
11:31and her group comes in.
11:33Dr. Alana,
11:34any SCH,
11:35of which you are the General Secretary,
11:37has handled 600-plus discrimination cases
11:41since 2007,
11:43how does Angel Chakma's Dehradun murder
11:47fit into what will be seen
11:49as larger pattern of harassment?
11:52And is there also a surge
11:53in helpline calls,
11:56or SOS calls,
11:57particularly post-incident?
11:58Yes, Maria.
12:02Since in 2007,
12:04we started this northeast support center
12:06and helpline,
12:07not because of anything else,
12:09but it's because
12:09of the young people
12:11from the northeast
12:12who have left their home states
12:13face a lot of racial discrimination.
12:16So because of that,
12:17we started this helpline,
12:19and on voluntary basis,
12:20we started this helpline.
12:21And initially,
12:23we had to run from pillar to post,
12:25and then we started sensitizing
12:27the young northeast people
12:28who have a culture shock,
12:30who have come from their home state
12:31and to cities,
12:33metropolitan cities like Mumbai,
12:35Bengaluru, Delhi.
12:37And also,
12:37we have done a lot of awareness
12:39with the Residential Welfare Association,
12:41with non-Nord eastern communities.
12:43So all these things
12:44we have been doing.
12:45But time and again,
12:47we have been saying,
12:47now I have been advocating
12:49for almost two decades.
12:50But still,
12:52we have to accept
12:52that racial discrimination
12:54exists in this country.
12:56Of course,
12:57after the case of Nido Tania
12:58in 2014,
13:00the former speaker
13:01was talking about
13:02the setting up
13:03of Bessborough Committee.
13:04I was one of the members
13:05of Bessborough Committee,
13:07where we have actually
13:09a lot of recommendations.
13:11And one of the major recommendations
13:13is for the amendment of IPC.
13:16Now it is BNS.
13:18Earlier it was IPC 153A,
13:20we have 153B,
13:22but we do not have 153C.
13:25So that anything,
13:26which is,
13:27any racial slurs,
13:28any names are being called
13:30to any citizens of the country.
13:32This is not only
13:32for northeast people alone,
13:34but any non-Nord east people,
13:36also if they go
13:37to the north eastern states,
13:38there should be a deterrent
13:40set so that the perpetrators,
13:43you know,
13:43should know
13:44and there should be
13:45some exemplary actions.
13:46So we have been advocating this
13:48for the past
13:49many, many, many years.
13:51And then now we have been,
13:52now it is more than 10 years
13:53after the death of Nido Tania.
13:55It is extremely heartbreaking
13:57and tragic
13:58because these young people,
13:59they have come
14:00to build their dreams.
14:02But then only coffin
14:03go back home.
14:04This is not
14:05an isolated incident
14:06and we have to accept.
14:08But how do we address
14:09this together?
14:10I'm also a member
14:11of the monitoring committee
14:12which is constituted
14:13under the Ministry
14:14of Home Affairs.
14:16So we look into
14:16all these concerns
14:17for the cases
14:19which the northeast people face.
14:21But then there are many,
14:22the recommendations
14:23that is in the Sura Committee.
14:25Yes, some of them
14:25we have to accept
14:26that they have implemented.
14:28Some of them
14:28have been implemented,
14:30but some of them
14:31also we need to do a lot.
14:32We talked about
14:33raising awareness.
14:34Yes, this is very important.
14:35There are short-term,
14:37medium-term
14:37and long-term.
14:38But the thing is
14:39that now we also need
14:40to see the mindset
14:42and the intention.
14:43For example,
14:44if somebody is calling me
14:45a Korean or a Chinese,
14:46at least they respect me
14:48to some level.
14:49But so now we need
14:49to know the perpetrators
14:51in this recent incident
14:52that when they are
14:54calling Chinese
14:54Chinky, Chao Min, Momo,
14:56do they know
14:57that these two boys
14:58are from the northeast
14:59or are they really
15:01not aware
15:02that they are not
15:03from this part
15:03of the country?
15:04So we need to see,
15:05we need a proper investigation
15:07in order to ascertain this.
15:09It is time
15:10to criminalize
15:11the utterance
15:12of this world.
15:14That is what
15:15India should be doing.
15:16So Sanju Verma,
15:18is India
15:19willing to formally
15:20perhaps acknowledge
15:21that racial violence
15:22within its own citizens
15:24is actually a reality
15:25or will we continue
15:26to treat attacks
15:28on people
15:30from northeast
15:31as a law and order situation?
15:32Sanju Verma,
15:40that's a question
15:41to you, ma'am.
15:49Sanju Verma,
15:49if you heard me.
15:50Okay, we'll try
15:51and fix that audio
15:52with the Sanju.
15:53Yes, please.
15:54Can you hear me now?
15:54Can you please
16:01have the audio sorted?
16:02I will just
16:03get that done.
16:04Yes, so, you know,
16:05perhaps Dr. Kiran Bedi,
16:06would you say
16:07that it's time
16:07to criminalize
16:08the utterance
16:09of that word
16:10against people
16:11from northeast
16:11because until
16:12unless that is done,
16:14the entire
16:15cultural barriers
16:16won't be crossed?
16:17Well, the ultimate
16:21criminal law
16:22exists today.
16:23It's not that
16:24under the new laws
16:25you can take on.
16:26The point is
16:27I'm at graded.
16:29If somebody
16:30is emerging
16:31as regular hate speeches
16:32or hostile speeches
16:34like this,
16:35I think can be brought in
16:37at an early stage
16:38of little prevention.
16:39It's under control.
16:41So you can go graded.
16:42Certainly not in FIR,
16:43but you can bring in.
16:45You can nurture this group.
16:46As I told you
16:47the rough register
16:48plays that role
16:48where you make a note
16:50of who is doing what
16:51and then when we called
16:53and warned
16:53and then brought in
16:54under some preventive
16:56sections of law
16:56which is peace proceedings
16:58where they'll put
16:59on as non-civil
17:00surety
17:01and the elders
17:02play a role
17:04to control.
17:05So you can go
17:05into little graded
17:06straight away
17:07not to go FIR
17:08and then bail
17:10and make a criminal angle.
17:11I would rather go
17:12very graded
17:13in such an age group.
17:15But if it is open
17:17and it's like
17:18a full-blown hate
17:19you have a law
17:20you can take action.
17:22Why not?
17:22And as I see
17:24the government
17:24the policing
17:25of the state
17:26is taking action
17:27they don't have a choice.
17:28But I would say
17:29preventive policing
17:30where graded
17:31rough registers
17:32is maintained
17:33for such youth
17:34to be coming
17:35under some watch
17:35where they brought
17:37under elder control
17:38their parents' control
17:40their teachers' control
17:41or those elders
17:42who exercise
17:43some influence
17:44and control
17:45over them.
17:45So I am more
17:46on preventive policing
17:47then finally
17:48rather than come
17:49to ultimate criminality.
17:51Sanjay Wanma
17:52please go ahead.
17:53Yes.
17:54Maria you know
17:55I fully appreciate
17:57the points made
17:57by Ms. Bedi
17:58with respect to
17:59preventive policing
18:00preventive action
18:02but I think
18:03we need to fix
18:04the elephant
18:05in the room.
18:06The moot point
18:07is this
18:07and there is no
18:08easy way
18:09of saying it
18:09be it West Bengal
18:11be it large parts
18:12of Assam
18:13I think
18:14you know
18:14there has been
18:15inorganic growth
18:16of radical
18:17Islamist elements
18:19for instance
18:19look at what
18:20Himanta Biswa
18:20Sarma said
18:21I will quote him
18:22ad verbatim
18:23he said
18:24every 10 years
18:25the Muslim population
18:27in Assam
18:27is growing
18:28at the rate
18:28of 36%
18:29the other communities
18:31particularly Hindu
18:32population
18:33is growing
18:33at the rate
18:34of barely
18:349 to 9.5%
18:36and he said
18:37that this 36%
18:38growth
18:39every 10 years
18:40in Assam
18:40is not organic
18:41you look at
18:42South Salmara
18:43Darang
18:43Morigaon
18:44Bungaigaon
18:45Barpeta
18:46Dhubri
18:46the Muslim
18:48population
18:49on an average
18:49has grown
18:50from 23%
18:51to 76%
18:53the link
18:54is this
18:55there are
18:56radical elements
18:57who are taking
18:58law in their
18:59own hands
19:00if you look
19:00at the composition
19:01of the law
19:02and order
19:02breakdowns
19:03that have
19:04happened
19:04be it in
19:04Nizoram
19:05be it in
19:05Manipur
19:06be it in
19:06Tripura
19:07be it in
19:07West Bengal
19:08what do you
19:08see
19:09there is a
19:09common thread
19:10who are the
19:11perpetrators
19:12please come back
19:13to the core
19:13issue
19:14okay
19:14no
19:15Miss Sanjee
19:16Varma
19:16Sanjee
19:16Varma
19:17I am not
19:17too sure
19:18if
19:18this is about
19:20the people
19:21of the northeast
19:21let's talk
19:22about it
19:22I don't think
19:23so the
19:23religious angle
19:24should be
19:24brought in
19:25here
19:25please come
19:27in
19:27finish
19:27yes please
19:28in 10 seconds
19:30yes please
19:31my limited
19:31point is this
19:32that law
19:33and order
19:34is a function
19:34of various
19:35things
19:35it's not
19:36you know
19:37something that
19:37can be easily
19:38comprehended
19:39each state
19:40has a different
19:40demographic
19:41makeup
19:42but
19:42yes
19:43you need
19:44to bring
19:45down
19:45this
19:46tendency
19:47to stereotype
19:47people
19:48I fail to
19:49understand
19:49why the
19:50congress
19:50MP on your
19:51panel
19:51does not
19:52condemn
19:52what Sam
19:53Petroda
19:54said
19:54he basically
19:54said
19:55everybody
19:55from northeast
19:56is a chinky
19:57does he
19:58have the guts
19:58to convert
19:59his own
19:59leader
19:59he will not
20:01do that
20:01that is the
20:02hypocrisy
20:02I want to
20:03tell you
20:04something
20:04lady
20:05yes please
20:05please come
20:06in
20:06Pradirut
20:07come in
20:07on this
20:08specifically
20:08Maria
20:09don't
20:10show your
20:10hypocrisy
20:11about the
20:12base
20:12Barua
20:13committee
20:13base
20:14Barua
20:14committee
20:14and its
20:15recommendations
20:15please
20:16let's get
20:16into specifics
20:17now please
20:18I want to
20:19tell you
20:19something
20:19I am very
20:20sorry
20:20I am very
20:21sorry
20:22that this
20:23entire core
20:24issue that
20:24we are
20:24discussing
20:25today
20:25that you
20:26invited me
20:26to join
20:27this panel
20:27yes please
20:28go ahead
20:28it's been
20:28diverted
20:29and you
20:30know
20:30this is
20:30being
20:30diverted
20:31with some
20:32racial
20:32narrative
20:33that they
20:34are always
20:35good at
20:36it
20:36the core
20:37issue
20:37is this
20:37that
20:38what I
20:40say
20:40that it
20:41is very
20:41unfortunate
20:41that the
20:42youth of
20:43the northeast
20:43face this
20:45kind of
20:45racial
20:46discrimination
20:47prejudice
20:47in every
20:50part of
20:50the country
20:51you know
20:52and how
20:53do we
20:53actually
20:54prevent
20:54it
20:54will you
20:55condemn
20:55Sam
20:55Petroda
20:56that's my
21:00important point
21:00of course I condemn
21:00if Sam
21:01Petroda
21:02say that
21:02there's no
21:03two way
21:03about it
21:04but please
21:05don't
21:05politicize
21:05this issue
21:06what's the
21:07more important
21:08issue
21:08please
21:09don't
21:11politicize
21:12their things
21:42Pradyut, my question is
21:44Pradyut, Pradyut, my question is
21:49listen to me, listen to me
21:50please be sensitive
21:50please be sensitive
21:51the North East
21:53absolutely
21:53my question is
21:55will North East MPs
21:56you are trying to divert this issue
21:58the core issue is this
21:59what we discussed
22:00yes, I am coming back to you
22:04please listen to me
22:04will North East MPs
22:06push for mandatory reporting
22:09of racial slurs and FIRs
22:11which is similar to SCST
22:13atrocities act provisions
22:15that's my question
22:16because let's talk about
22:18also the recommendations
22:19of the base Barua committee
22:21yes, what is important
22:27see, there has to be
22:29a concerted action plan
22:31only policing or preventing policing
22:34cannot solve this problem
22:35yes, there can be
22:37creation of fast track codes
22:39and special police squads
22:42but at the same time
22:44social intervention
22:45sensitization
22:47interventions in educational curriculum
22:50and more awareness
22:51about North East people
22:53that they are part and parcel
22:54of the entire Indian polity
22:57this kind of
22:58this has to be
22:58you know, this has to be
23:00actually taken up
23:02in tandem
23:03with everybody
23:04and this is a painstaking process
23:06I know that
23:06but then knowledge
23:08and identification
23:10and that they are
23:12very much part of
23:13the Indian polity
23:13should be inculcated
23:15in the schools
23:16and you know
23:17in the social interventions
23:18are also very important
23:20this is what I am talking about
23:21and acts of hate
23:23and prejudice
23:25across various parts
23:26of the country
23:27cannot be accepted
23:28should not be accepted
23:30I need to
23:31read out Rahul Randi's post
23:33it cannot be a BJP
23:36or a Congress issue
23:37this is a humanity issue
23:39this is an issue
23:40of every citizen
23:41this is what we said
23:42it is an issue
23:43which concerns you are
23:44but I am very sorry
23:44these unfortunately
23:45these ladies are trying to
23:46divert this attention
23:47by trivial eyes
23:48you can't do this
23:50you have to give me
23:5130 seconds please
23:52how poignant and painful
23:53of this case of
23:54Anjal Satma
23:55you know
23:56he has to assert
23:57in the face of date
23:58that I am Indian
23:59I am Indian
24:00how poignant
24:01and how painful it is
24:03I agree
24:04I agree
24:06I agree
24:07please go ahead
24:07Ms. Sanju Verma
24:09thank you
24:10Maria now
24:11I heard the gentleman
24:12you know
24:12it's very easy to say
24:13let's not politicize this
24:15is it a humanitarian issue
24:16yes
24:16but the reason I called it
24:18a political issue
24:19is because today
24:19at 12.43pm
24:21the leader of the opposition
24:23supposedly the tallest
24:25leader in the Congress Party
24:26Rahul Gandhi
24:27this is what he has written
24:28I will just read
24:29the moot points
24:30of his tweet
24:31not the other
24:31stuff that he said
24:33hate doesn't appear
24:34overnight
24:35for years
24:36now it is being
24:37fed daily
24:38especially to our youth
24:39through toxic content
24:41and irresponsible narratives
24:42and it is being
24:43normalized
24:44by the hate
24:45spewing
24:46leadership
24:47of the ruling BJP
24:48this is what
24:49Rahul Gandhi
24:50has said
24:51in response
24:52to the killing
24:52of Anjal Satma
24:53yes there is a piece
24:53of breaking news
24:54which is coming in now
24:55just hold on to your thoughts
24:56this is certainly
24:57a big statement
24:58and a big demand
24:59that is coming in now
25:01by victim
25:02Anjal's father
25:04Anjal's father
25:05has demanded
25:06death penalty
25:06for the attackers
25:07he has said
25:08he cried a lot
25:09after son was attacked
25:11and was ready
25:12to sell my kidney
25:13to save my son
25:14all attackers
25:15should be hanged
25:16to death
25:16though that's what
25:18a grieving father
25:19is demanding
25:20Dr. Alana
25:21death penalty
25:24for the attackers
25:25Dr. Alana
25:26that's what
25:26Anjal Chakma's father
25:29is demanding
25:29I'm going to play
25:32that sound better
25:33and then I'm coming
25:33to you Dr. Alana
25:34yes
25:34I'm coming
26:04I was very concerned about the drug.
26:08My child was very serious.
26:14No, it was a operation.
26:17After that, I was very serious.
26:19After that, I was taken to ICU.
26:22I was taken to the hospital,
26:24I was taken to the hospital,
26:26I was taken to the hospital,
26:29I don't have the treatment for the hospital.
26:35Someone has to go to work, have to work in a company or have to work in a company.
26:41So, they don't have to be a bad idea.
26:44We are Indian.
26:47My wife and I have to ask that everyone has to be a bad idea.
26:58It is the only thing that we have in India and also India is the only thing that we are
27:02talking about from North East and saying that we don't have to say that we don't have to
27:08say that.
27:12Union Minister Kiran Rajuju has also reacted on this story.
27:15Now let's listen in.
27:19In Bihradun, with a child of North East, we have died.
27:25All of us are very sad.
27:30It is also an awkward way.
27:34You should not only see this one.
27:37And why is this only North East?
27:40The whole country should be sad.
27:43Because in our country, a child or a human being, or their religion, or their religion, or their
27:55religion, or what they see, or what they see, or what they see, or what they see, or what they see.
28:02So I think that this is the only thing that we have to think about.
28:07I think that this is the only thing that we have to think about.
28:11The government of North East has already started the operation.
28:16The government of North East has already started the operation.
28:19and the government of North East has already been arrested.
28:21And maybe five people have arrested.
28:26But I think that the government of North East has been made in Delhi in Delhi,
28:33and the government of North East,
28:34in the same way that every government of North East is the metropolitan police,
28:38if this government of North East has already passed, it will be good.
28:40Dr. Elana, the father, heartbroken, is demanding justice and also saying that they are also
28:49citizens of India.
28:51But at the same time, that the son may not have been given the right hospital treatment
28:57is a charge also coming in from a grieving father here.
29:02I completely agree with the father.
29:06He has every right to ask for a punishment, the most severe punishment because this is
29:13a heinous crime against his son.
29:14No amount of compensation can bring back to the father who lost his son.
29:19I remember Nido Tanya's mother in Jantar Mantar.
29:22She was spending the day Nido lost his life that no mother should go through the same way
29:28I have gone through today.
29:30Today I'm hearing Anjil's father saying that nobody, no child should go through the same
29:35experience that I have gone through.
29:37Now the mother in those days and the father here are saying the same thing.
29:41Now we need, we need strictest punishment.
29:44And then, as I said earlier, deterrence has to be set.
29:47Yes, our Minister Kiran Rijiju has said about 1093, that is the Special Police Unit for North
29:52Eastern Region, which was constituted in 2014 when Nido Tanya was killed.
30:00So the same thing we have been asking, which is in the Besbura committee report recommendations,
30:04that there should be 1093 should also be, you know, functional in other major cities,
30:11like you have in Mumbai, Bengaluru and other cities where chunk of Northeast people are
30:15there.
30:16Now you need to set up a temporary committee to go and see the situations and on the policing.
30:27Yes.
30:28Coming back to that.
30:29After four to five days, you know, of the incident, why do police have to react so late?
30:33That itself shows that their attitude, that itself shows that this has been taken, racism
30:39and attack has been taken, you know, very, very casually.
30:42Absolutely.
30:43And now, of course, hospitals.
30:44I myself have experienced a lot when I'm taking the victims, when I'm bringing the victims
30:48to many hospitals.
30:49I know the attitude of the hospitals and I can see that I'm sure prompt action, proper treatment
30:56would have been given.
30:57I'm sure they must be.
30:58Investigation should take place, how the hospital authorities will reveal the truth.
31:04Absolutely.
31:05A lot of questions.
31:06A lot of questions that needs answer now.
31:08Dr. Alana, Sanju Verma, Dr. Kiran Bedi and Pradevud Bardolai, really appreciate your
31:12time.
31:13Thank you for joining us.
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