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00:00Hey, I've never had like a game for Dakota, ever.
00:06Really?
00:07She's lying, she's freaking lying.
00:09I'm not lying.
00:10You also told me that you kept inviting him over
00:13to your house.
00:15I literally would've only invited him over
00:16to let him talk to me and to cry it out or whatever.
00:20Cry it out and then fuck.
00:23No, no.
00:25I'm telling you, I would never even go there.
00:27I would never.
00:28Well, you should've never sent him the picture.
00:30I would never, you're right.
00:31You should've, that is so inappropriate.
00:33I actually wish that you would've did that
00:36to my husband instead of my own daughter.
00:39I never had interest in Dakota, I did a stupid thing.
00:42You're a shitty friend.
00:44You're running my appointment.
00:46Okay.
00:47Okay, thank you.
00:48Bye.
00:50Clearly she remembers his memory loss.
00:52She's freaking lying.
00:53She's Dory.
00:54She's lying, she's just like Dakota.
00:56She is.
00:57I mean, you could hear her lie, like it's funny.
00:59I know, she's stumbling on her work.
01:00I do, I just, I, no, shut up.
01:05We can hear your lying, just say it.
01:07It's giving me a headache.
01:09Hi.
01:10He was asleep until I picked him up.
01:12Ah, hello.
01:14After a stagecoach, I did have like a sliver of hope maybe for us.
01:20But now that this came out, I feel very foolish.
01:24I can't help to think of the quote, like, fool me once, shame on you.
01:27Fool me twice, shame on me.
01:29My mom, my dad, my entire family hates Dakota now.
01:32This is the nail in the coffin.
01:33No matter how much I wanted this, I will never settle for that, ever.
01:38I dropped off Dakota from your house, and he was like, he thinks you guys could get there.
01:46I said, you will never get there.
01:47You guys need to be done, because you will always question him.
01:50He's always going to question you, and there's just too much damage there.
01:54He like, makes me feel like it's my fault.
01:56Well, of course, that's what narcissists do.
01:59We know that you have faults.
02:02We all have faults.
02:03But the thing is, it's like every freaking week, it's something new, and it all comes
02:08from his end.
02:09With everything that comes out of his mouth, it's like, one right after another, he's the
02:14common denominator.
02:15Like, I think you just deserve so much better.
02:18Yeah, you deserve happiness.
02:19Dakota's not it.
02:20You haven't been happy for three years.
02:22Yeah.
02:23I don't think any mom wants to be alone.
02:26With three children, I want change.
02:28Like, I want out of this toxic cycle, because at this point, I've seen enough betrayal and
02:33lies that I don't want things to get messy when it comes to co-parenting.
02:36I can't do this.
02:37Like, I can't live like this anymore.
02:58Try me, you receive, I'll bring you to your knees.
03:02Baby, you're gonna believe me.
03:04You're gonna believe me.
03:06Bye.
03:07Bye.
03:07Bye.
03:09Bye.
03:19Bye.
03:25Bye.
03:26Bye.
03:28Bye.
03:30you can live a life so fabulous all day all day so fabulous with the one you love so
03:42hello with the one you trust so happy birthday thank you so much don't want to like take up too
03:50much of your day i just wanted to kind of debrief a little bit on this weekend oh yeah how are you
03:56feeling press was horrendous yeah that was that was very unprofessional what happened with you and
04:03marciano nothing nothing happened on my end um well apparently i have a cease and desist against
04:11me so i'm not able to talk on that oh pull it up it's not hard i mean it was such an awkward weekend
04:18like all of you are treating me this way and like being so bitchy towards me without knowing
04:26what you're talking about and having all the facts i'm just feeling overall just like ostracized from
04:31the group definitely taken aback by how cold everyone was during press and i just overnight
04:38became this liar and villain yeah that hurt i think it you know it took you to get to a very vulnerable
04:48place for me to understand let me say this listening to taylor talk about how she was like
04:55you know what vulnerability comes at a price if you're going to open up this way like you're
05:01opening up your life to scrutiny and to like opinions right it's a lot it's a lot to be like
05:07watch and then you're judged for it and not that i really like cared there's a point but like
05:11it's just heavy it's really heavy i'm kind of in a similar position and i know how that feels and
05:18that sucks and it it was the first time in a while with taylor where i was kind of like you know what i
05:24feel bad i am jealous of taylor and the grace that she's given while going through all the hard
05:30things that she's going through and feeling like i haven't been given that same understanding but
05:36there's a level to which i fault myself because i'm not as open and i do suppress a lot of my trauma
05:44that could be helping and benefiting others by sharing that so yeah that's something that i'm really
05:49working through right now because that's harder for me well how do you feel about just putting all
05:54of this to rest i'm willing to you know squash whatever i can simply because i'm like i i do
06:03understand i haven't been there to defend myself and you haven't heard my side so i get that and i'll
06:09give you grace for that what if i invited all the women would you feel comfortable then i like that
06:15idea let's all get together to talk in my mind i'm like that seems like the only solution i just need
06:23to apologize for my part like going with zero expectations i mean i think that's great i think
06:29that you do care so deeply and it can you know make it hurt more that's that's what sucks because
06:36then making up is that much more vulnerable agreed because if it's not received or it's not um taken
06:45in the way you intended then it just feels like a slap in the face you know yeah
06:51oh my gosh this is looking so good i love it today i'm having a grand opening event for my school
07:13jay-z academy when the marciano scandal first came out i was so terrified that it was going to ruin
07:18my image my businesses take away jobs from people i was really spiraling and just being in this moment
07:25i'm so grateful and it really does show that if you are willing to own your mistakes and get better
07:30and get stronger the people that you love will stick by you joby things out of your mouth
07:35even though things with jordan and i have been super up and down the end of our 90-day separation is
07:42coming up and we need to make a decision soon and if it was up to jordan we would have been back
07:46together already so i'm feeling a lot of pressure and i'm not sure what i'm going to do yet
07:50it looks amazing in here
08:00oh my god this is beautiful i feel like i have like imposter syndrome right now i'm like am i
08:10supposed to be here but i love doing stuff like this with the girls it reminds me and hopefully
08:17them like why we became friends in the first place if people would just sit down and have those
08:22hard conversations shed some light on each other's perspectives we might be unstoppable
08:27okay question would you have a conversation with demene you know i don't like her i know
08:33but it's like i felt like you were starting to see what we were all seeing at the reunion and then
08:38it was like complete 180 i see what you're seeing but i also think people aren't seeing what she's
08:44seeing she's never heard anyone else out so why don't you hear her out i just think like life is
08:48too short like this i know life is too short it is people shit damn it i am so desperate to get
08:57this group back together to what it was because look at everything that we've gotten because of
09:02this group the genuine friendships the love the support the empowerment and if we can't sit down
09:09and come back to what it was it's gone it's dead i guess i'm just hoping for the best like i
09:14literally just like one all just to go in a room and like hug each other and be like please can we
09:19all just feel the love like holy shit hello hello how are you how are you doing i'm so exhausted
09:31when i go to bed that i like fall asleep i get it and i know taylor gets it too you look good like
09:35they all do like props to you so i kind of had an idea and i wanted to know how you guys felt about
09:42it okay demi was open to just not i don't know if a discussion is the right word but like get to
09:47the bottom of this squash shit and move on i do feel like after the reunion i was able to see
09:54the side of whitney that i first became friends with and i honestly really warmed my heart to see
10:00her and michaela hug it out progress let's come on
10:03i'm not sure what demi's motivation is but i'm willing to hear whitney out for the greater good
10:11what is uh demi's like agenda overall i think she just wants to feel heard
10:17it's hard because i feel like she is so so good at digging herself out of a hole like she'll do a
10:21shitty thing and then be like well i did this shady thing because i think with demi she gets
10:26very defensive and then it turns into like attack but i would hope everyone could get to that place
10:33to share their feelings and feel heard and then same for demi yeah but demi also needs to listen
10:38i understand that i think the whole point of this is to get to the truth and like instead of the he
10:42said she said i agree like we're here to hear the truth and that's it yeah so and also if we don't
10:48hear any accountability it's gonna be the same as you or we're like why just show up then yeah
10:51i get it
10:53i get it
10:55be careful what you wish for
10:57when i be what you think it is
11:01be careful what you wish for
11:03be careful what you wish for
11:07be careful what you wish for
11:09ready
11:11oh
11:13yeah ready go
11:15yeah okay there it's mom let's see come in hello how are you good how's it going good um i wanted
11:28you to help me look at i did my mediation you finally did it good i'm so glad right now i think
11:36it's very important for dakota and i to come up with a concrete plan for custody in writing of what
11:41this is what we are and what happens from here on out i actually don't even really talk to him when
11:47we do like pick up and drop offs this is a plan for our child and his best interest well taylor i'm
11:52glad that you took the initiative to contact the attorney and finally set some boundaries i have no
11:58choice we're done i was like there's between you and i there's things like obviously we've treated
12:04each other like period sure but this is not about you when i this is about my mom's friend you
12:09not only screwed me over you screwed over my family yeah but she treated you really good i just
12:14don't know how he could not take responsibility for this whole thing so are you gonna still
12:22do the baby blessing i'd like to i mean i wanted dakota to kind of plan it out but he's not even
12:27filming right now he's not at all he's refusing to film if we bring the story up at all oh wow dakota
12:33and i had planned on having a baby blessing forever but in the church we can't do a baby
12:41blessing without both of us signing off and he is hiding away which sucks he says we could have like
12:48handled this privately like you you didn't have to do this and i'm like you he i hate that he always
12:53says you don't have to like it's not your problem it's his problem yeah do you think he'll be too
12:59embarrassed to show up because of all this the blessing um i don't know i don't know
13:13i think the future with demi and mom talk is just little baby steps there needs to be some sort of
13:39intervention where we all can just join hands and press that reset button and people will listen
13:45to macy like people look up to macy i look up to macy and that's why i want to have a conversation
13:51with her see what she's thinking about this idea how are you doing how's everything with your like
13:56saint george we just bought a home you excited um i like feel like i can't fully be excited yet
14:01because it's completely being renovated so it's been a little bit homeless it's been chaotic but
14:07it's like you're used to that you're used to the chaos i am i love it i'm like this isn't chaotic
14:11enough how can we mix things up yeah but speaking of things that are worse i think that the chaos needs
14:18to settle yeah no it's jesse to me it makes me so sad even though taylor is the leader of mom talk
14:25she's doing a lot of personal things in her life right now and so i do think it's a good idea for
14:30whitney and then me to head this intervention because she can represent demi and i can speak for the
14:36girls and jesse and to hopefully bring peace back to mom talk so what i guess do you suggest
14:41i think everyone needs to feel heard and seen i think jen has some things to say i would love
14:46some things to say sounds like jesse has some things to say like almost like a little testimony
14:51meeting in the church we have what's called testimony meeting where people freely willingly
15:00speak their peace and while somebody is up there on the stand the congregation isn't responding back
15:06so i'm thinking that that's what might need to happen everyone else needs to shut up while that
15:12person is doing that i'm worried about this really oh my god i don't know how i have hopes the girls
15:20feel very strongly is what i will say it's a lot but that's why i'm like i think just let's just hear
15:27it straight from the source rather than the he said she said i completely get that i think where
15:31everyone is hesitant is because to me is so good at digging herself out of holes that they're like is
15:36she actually genuine about this or is it like a way to like save face you know then that would be then
15:43then to determine yeah like but at least we gave the person the opportunity yeah you know what do you
15:50think the agenda and the attention should be though it needs to be validate listen and speak your truth
15:59just as much as you want to be heard you need to listen if you don't want to be a part of it there's
16:04the door i do understand where whitney is coming from but if this intervention does not go well then
16:11i worry that things will get even more hostile and who knows what that means for mom talk pray that jesus
16:17is in the room with us god will be i'll let you lead the prayer then from the beginning i don't know
16:22if we need to pray i need a seance
16:39my heart is on the floor now i gotta close the door now can i let you how do i
16:46let you go
16:58hey hey what's up
17:03jordan and i are talking today and we're going to make a decision about what we want to do now that
17:07the 90 days are over and i'm nervous i don't feel quite ready to make this decision yet i don't know
17:14if i'm ever going to feel fully settled in this but i do know that prolonging the separation isn't
17:20going to do much and i'm probably not going to get that feeling of clarity unless i try one way or the
17:24other you know now that we're done with this 90 days this has made me like realize it's like
17:31truly how much i love you thank you i want to make it work with you not out of not out of necessity but
17:40because that's what i want because i can't imagine my life without you and i believe that we both deserve
17:49to put what's gone what's happened behind us and and try to move forward from it
17:59throughout this whole separation like i've been in limbo of like really not knowing what i wanted
18:04and i'm still scared like my biggest fear is that we're gonna like move back in together and get back
18:09together and give it a chance and it's just gonna go right back to how it was and that it's easy to just
18:14get comfortable and fall back into old patterns you know so i am really scared of that if i'm
18:18being honest i personally feel like the things that i've needed to face that relate to some of my
18:24traumas from my past yeah i've faced and i've hit them head on and i'm able to begin to work through
18:31that and obviously you have been as well i had my first daughter when i was 18 years old and my ex
18:38and i decided that it would be best to get married because in utah that's what you do you know we were
18:45young and became uncompatible like fine we're done let's get divorced and i just remember feeling
18:51broken and unlovable you know i think it's why i began to control everything that i could so that
18:58i wouldn't feel that way anymore before all of this like i didn't know why you would act certain ways
19:03or treat me certain ways you didn't know why i would pull away and avoid things
19:07and in therapy we've uncovered that like a lot of your aggression comes from childhood wounds being
19:12a dad at 17 18 years old taking on that responsibility there's so much that i understand
19:18now about you and not that it makes your behavior okay but it explains it and i understand it now
19:24and it's changing which is the the most important part and then with me like my past relationships
19:30like the things i've been through made me bury my emotions so much and it made me numb and i feel like
19:36now for the first time since therapy like i'm feeling things and i'm like crying more and i'm like
19:42actually feeling human instead of like a robot so if we're both putting the work in we deserve to
19:47give it a chance and put that type of effort in to see if those changes can be long lasting
19:58and i'm willing to work through those things with you you know i want i want our family to be whole again
20:03i've seen how being avoidant has hurt my relationships and in our culture there is a lot
20:11of pressure to have like the perfect relationship the perfect family and everything's great and i
20:16think that it kind of taught me these patterns to go numb and avoid and pretend everything's okay and
20:22if i'm going to make the marriage work i need to drop that and i'm willing to do that because jordan
20:26has made so many changes and i want to make sure that i'm doing the same thing
20:30so are you ready to officially move back in i'm i'm over the moon about having a chance to
20:41take another stab at this and work on this it'll be nice for you not to live in a hotel out of a
20:45suitcase i know how hard that is you have a washing machine again thank god you're doing your own
20:50laundry though are you gonna mow the lawn no oh i'll hire someone okay i love you and i'm glad that
20:58we've been able to work through things i feel like if i hadn't have done all of the therapy
21:14work we've been doing heading into this like intervention we're doing with mom talk like
21:18i wouldn't have been able to handle it the right way like i would have probably i've just been so
21:22angry at me but i feel like now doing the self work i feel like i can face her in like a better
21:27way than i would have in the past it's tough to like want to forgive her like with how disgusting
21:33what she did was like yeah i guess we'll see what happens i'm a little nervous who knows i have no
21:37idea how she'll come in if she'll be angry if she'll be normal i have no clue
21:51oh this is kind of cozy so pretty hide all the glasses macy and whitney worked their magic to get
22:15us all in a neutral space i'm hoping that we can all hear each other out because the last time we
22:21talked was at jesse's house and we all know how that went your lie about jess what lie about the
22:27hair drama you twisting that whole thing it's all that was true no it wasn't taylor for me i would
22:35love to get back to loyalty and love and friendship how do you feel i'm feeling oddly calm i don't know
22:42if that's good or bad i think that's good how are we going to approach this i don't know i mean i
22:52have lots of things words so i need to say but i honestly don't know what to expect from to me i
23:00don't know if she's going to come in guns blazing or sorry or remorseful i truly don't know i'm just
23:05going into it with an open mind hello hi oh my gosh there's a pool i'm going swimming it's looks yummy
23:14though are you guys okay to finish setting up yeah yeah because i wanted to pull you to chat yeah we're
23:20good okay perfect okay i thought we could go outside i'm choking on my food i set up a little date
23:27oh no hi hi i wanted to talk to you for a while okay um i'm curious how that conversation will go
23:38because i know taylor wasn't too happy with her does she feel like she's like ready to take
23:42accountability i think so okay first and foremost i want to apologize for how harsh i was and for
23:53kicking you while you were down and for taking a lot of what i was going through out on you because
24:02i genuinely was hurt with the cma post obviously my reaction was not merited and i understand that
24:08and what i did and how low i went was not okay and how i talked to your mom i apologize and i want to
24:14have a conversation with her as well like that was not okay but i did really feel hurt and i've like
24:20had some time to really think about like why i think that there's like a deep betrayal wound there
24:25because i did feel like through our friendship i had like reached out to you and like been there
24:30for you it was the emotional unavailability that i felt like i was getting from you that like hurt me
24:36and it's not an excuse like how i reacted wasn't okay it was an overreaction like beyond i definitely
24:43felt triggered by taylor and it made me realize how much my childhood had really shaped me my brother has
24:48down syndrome and he was born with lots of complications and a lot of people talk about
24:54the glass child syndrome where you grow up with a child in your family that gets a lot of the attention
25:01and their needs like come first and i'm learning that to feel like i can't take up space that alone is
25:07a trauma response there was so much more happening behind closed doors that like
25:11you know elicited a huge response in a lot of situations yeah it triggered all the beliefs of
25:20like i don't matter you're not worthy of friendship people don't see that struggle and they don't see
25:25that battle but that's been like a very real thing for me now i fully understand like watching you go
25:31through what you were going through with dakota i admittedly did not know the extent of that yeah i
25:36think i think you probably know a little bit i think most people don't know the extent especially
25:41being upset with you that's the key component because i think if that information had come to me
25:46i would have handled it differently and even like seeing you in la again and watching the show back
25:51to like really recognize that so i apologize because that wasn't fair and i have been rooting for
25:56you i do support i do want to see you win i actually appreciate you saying all that i was shocked
26:02i understand the way you feel about me and you can come at me all day but my mom had like
26:08nothing really to do with my issues that i created that was hard just because i feel like
26:14a lot of anger was taken out on her and she wasn't the issue yes she was defending me but what mom
26:18wouldn't yeah you know yeah to me's apology i hope is sincere experiences like this where you're
26:26isolated alone can really humble you i've been there i appreciate you listening yeah no i appreciate
26:32you even saying sorry and of course and i mean it thank you yeah appreciate it
26:38ready by the way thank you you do too
26:44i definitely have some nerves going into today's meeting i definitely see jesse
26:48probably blowing up at demi and vice versa um okay hello worst case scenario someone leaves with
26:54their extensions ripped out of their head you've been pretty chirpy lately i have oh what are you on
27:05what are you on um i'm on a vibrate oh what did you say i mean that's great too we know that
27:14i personally don't feel like i can trust to me or whitney i think i still have a lot of boundaries and a
27:20lot of walls set up because i think mom talk has been so fragile for so long
27:28it is so weird to think about how close to me and i were we were like sisters and to see how far
27:34we've fallen is very sad hey what's up everyone if you guys don't mind joining us in the couch area
27:44if she's really truly willing to apologize i can move on and let go but i don't know what to expect
27:50okay i have some notes here because we have a little bit of an agenda today clearly things
27:55are a little contentious it's not how we started mom talk it's not what mom talk stands for so we
28:00want to maybe take steps today to improve that and maybe hope we can see eye to eye everybody and i
28:05think we have a hard time interjecting when someone else is talking so we've come up with an idea that
28:12one person will talk at a time as soon as you've spoken your truth you give it a good old snap let your
28:18light shine bright but again this is to take accountability speak your truth we're not attacking
28:26that'll come later i am going in with the intention to hear people out to apologize and take
28:34accountability but it's extremely difficult to feel like you want to be vulnerable with a bunch
28:38of people that you're sitting around and you're like you haven't believed me you think i'm a liar
28:42i mean i feel like i am getting the dagger eyes from everyone and then jesse's just like not even
28:47looking at me okay i'm gonna take a leap of faith and hopefully set the tone for everyone to
28:53say what they want to say i should not have gone first macy i am so sorry for not attending your
29:06baby mama event um i did look up the definition of regret
29:10and i do regret not being there for that and i'm sorry mikaela i know that i've hurt you and i know
29:21that we used to be best friends i wasn't there for you and i handled situations in our friendship very
29:28poorly taylor you've given me so much grace and i feel like i haven't given that in return lastly i want
29:36to apologize to the group for my constant in and out in and out it's been hard staying when i don't
29:43feel like people care about my feelings but i've been selfish and i want to be more selfless
29:50okay oh there we go oh there we go all right whitney was obviously very prepared and i appreciate
30:08your apology and everything that you said and i'm sorry to everyone if i haven't always been there for
30:13you and you jen and michaela too when you're going through um all your issues um i think like every
30:22single person is going through things and we don't realize that we all want to be heard and loved and
30:28i love you guys thank you i know it's hard there you go so strong yeah last year was um the hardest year
30:39of my life there's so much i learned about myself and that is that i'm a people pleaser there are many
30:45times where i have played the victim there are many times where i didn't want to see someone else's
30:51perspective in that victim mentality i just realized like that's not only hurting myself but it's hurting
31:00other people and i'm really sorry when it comes to jen i'm i'm really confused i think it's fair to say
31:09that she owes me personally an apology for making it seem like i did something wrong with marciano
31:16i'll just straight up say it like she was literally playing truth or dare i called her out for it she
31:20gave me crap for it and you know you screwed up i don't feel like she's really trying to seek to
31:26understand where she went wrong and take accountability so that's yeah disappointing
31:31and confusing i probably have apologies to probably everyone in this room for the way i have acted i
31:37did everyone dirty and i was alone and i felt like i deserved it in that moment everyone is going to
31:43eventually have this isolated moment and i feel like just remember that because you're gonna want
31:49that same grace oh why is this for like mean girls yeah like when they do their thing and then it's
31:55like hey can we do a trust fall like mean girls i'm sorry everybody hates it i'm just so
32:06okay sorry i just wanted to start by saying that um i think in this group we've all been really
32:13close at one point or we've all been enemies at one point when i first came into mom talk i was
32:17very shy and i didn't want to like say my opinion in situations and i feel like recently i've like
32:22found my voice but i've been kind of frankly overdoing it you know we need to give each other
32:27grace for everything we're currently going through i really want to try our best to uplift
32:31each other we're all going to be throwing curveballs and your friends should be there for you
32:35and hopefully one day we can get back to like a more positive atmosphere because this sucks ass to
32:40be honest and yeah good job i was gonna say you're the strongest one yeah yeah muscle mommy
32:52okay okay gosh
32:57okay let it out i think we're all dealing with things that trigger us or that remind us of a wound
33:14that we have and i feel like i've been projecting a lot miranda when you first came in the group i felt
33:22like i was so protective over taylor because i didn't get that growing up and same with whitney
33:28to macy i felt so protective over macy because i felt like you were being a good friend and i felt
33:33like i had to protect her and for that i'm sorry i was not trying to bully you or hurt you in any way
33:42this last year i feel like i've noticed the most change in my marriage in my friendships we all have
33:49our own past trauma and i'm trying to notice them this is the first time me and whitney have both
33:55apologized to each other and meant it and so i'm finally feeling hopeful for mom talk that we'll
34:02finally get back to why we all started this and kind of the core values of what mom talk was built on
34:08so yeah i'm excited um um this is extremely uncomfortable being in this room for obvious
34:24reasons it took me being on the out to understand what that feels like but i'm sorry for my part i'm
34:31sorry for overreactions i'm sorry for acting out of anger saying things that maybe i didn't mean or
34:39saying things that i meant in a harsh way i'm hopeful that in seeking to understand one another that we
34:44can come back to a neutral place and that's my that's my goal thank you
34:50it's hard to say whether damia is taking accountability because she genuinely sees
35:00what's wrong with her actions or because she has to however i do find a lot of the explanations
35:07still confusing and i don't know that i buy all of it this is eve show him the butt her butt says mom
35:16talk so eve is like the talking stick you only get to talk if you're holding her let's just try
35:22to keep the vibes and the mood the same is the goal okay you want to start yes okay i wanted to
35:31thank whitney for taking a lot of accountability that was very um shocking and this is something that
35:38we've been kind of waiting for from you and so i want to say i'm proud of you for doing that
35:42and also to me we would like to hear from you and your side okay there was a lot going on behind
35:48closed doors some of which i opened up to some of you about i think the biggest thing for me that's
35:54triggering right now is not feeling believed and not feeling like people truly want to understand
36:01there's a lot we didn't know so it's hard to give that grace if we don't know i think i get that because
36:06i i explain and i'll tell them why i'm crying or struggling and it helps people understand it
36:13you know totally um marciano came on to me very strong he was like expressing that like it was
36:18love at first sight and never once in a text message in a phone call never did i feel it for him we've
36:26never kissed in our life i've never even told him he was cute period the end but marciano did sexually
36:35assault me in my mind i'm just thinking walk on eggshells play kate i think what's hard in that
36:41situation you continue to talk to him and i think that's no one saying that we don't believe you with
36:46what happened we are i think we're all just confused to me has made some crazy allegations
36:50about me but why are you dming me why are you giving me your phone number and proceed to have
36:55multiple hours of conversation and have a continued relationship after that and then we were told not
37:00to say anything to i never wanted to expose him i never wanted to talk about this i didn't want that
37:07like that was the reason of me being like please jen don't bring this up this was a response to a
37:13pattern that stems from something so much bigger and i haven't opened up and like shown that side of me
37:20so i get the confusion i understand that i've made missteps along the way and i'm sorry
37:25when demi feels the need to defend herself she just like goes to a level 10 but she didn't in this
37:34moment she was calm and was willing to be vulnerable i'm very proud of her can i say somebody
37:42just being totally transparent i obviously want to walk out here and be like oh i understand to me like
37:48i can see her i want to move forward but to be honest i'm even more confused now
38:03first i just want to know what your intentions were dming him those inappropriate messages the oyster
38:10ones yeah so these are from marciano's phone she responds it's no different than swallowing
38:15come you have to understand seeing flirty messages and dms but not already on my end no yes yes yes no
38:25yeah well it's the okay the context and intention matters but do you understand how that's kind of
38:30confusing that like the same man that you're saying assaulted you and no one's saying that he didn't do
38:34that but it's like you're sending a message saying like well come like that's just like can i see that
38:39it's just not making sense can i see that okay um i think that all of us have experienced a trauma in
38:46our life and i even think about connor's trauma and i don't understand why he did the things he did i
38:54don't understand why you had to do what you did and i may never understand that but before this gets rogue
39:01like we may never know the nitty-gritty and you may never understand that just to give context like
39:08having him facetime was a nickname for him sending him photos of those things for us were like alarming
39:14because if this guy assaulted you why are you bringing your daughter into it so in the first
39:18initial conversation that we had post villa i had him on speaker and was like who's that and i was like
39:23oh just a friend or whatever and she was like let me see and she clicked facetime i was like oh it
39:29wasn't facetiming marciano but this is my daughter but then sending videos of her praying for him and
39:34then she called him martino baby so she had a nickname and then you said that's gonna be your
39:38name in my phone she had no clue who marciano was but during the time when we found out about
39:43everything with you there was a lot of phone calls at this point i'm like okay move into like
39:49we're good like we're friends just act like everything's normal pretend that didn't happen move
39:53past it because you were now focused on taking me down is how it feels no move past that why were there
39:58so many phone calls why why did you have to be involved i i think for me it was just anger and
40:07that's a sad excuse but truly like feeling hurt about how our friendship had ended and i'm sorry
40:13that i haven't been there for you and i know you've been going through it um i told you that i would be
40:20the friend that would bury a body for you and i meant that and i know you maybe don't believe that
40:27my passion and my love and my loyalty is fierce and that's why i feel so hurt when i don't feel like
40:33that's reciprocated i think i've had a lot of resentment towards you because one of my like biggest wounds
40:42that i've uncovered in therapy is i've never felt good enough in anything and um i think the things
40:50that happen in our friendship like contracts and hair like it just really obviously brought those to
40:54the surface like okay i'm not good enough like um i felt like this group was my safe place to have
41:00like the person that was my safe place do it too it's just really hard i feel like i still don't have
41:07clarity on the whole situation with demi and marciano behind the scenes i don't know if he
41:12lied about us having sex if she pressured him to lie i don't know if i'll ever know but at the end
41:18of the day i just regret that we let a greasy man come in between us i'm ready to drop the hostility
41:24and just start new i think this is probably a good first step i feel like everyone is very vulnerable
41:31and open and one thing i do want to say is that never would i ever condone victim shaming like as
41:37you know i've been through my own shit i would never want someone to not believe me you know
41:43and so i'm sorry if you felt that way oh thank you yeah and i think at the end of the day no one
41:48wants this hostility i will i think all of us can say we want this to be cleared up i feel like genuinely
41:52i want to be able to move past this and no one's not believing you no one's not like shaming you we
41:57just we're just trying to we're just trying to add it all up so that we can move past this yeah
42:01thanks everyone for listening and i'm sorry again for anything on my end i understand from an outside
42:10perspective why all of this would be so confusing do i necessarily think that it's my responsibility
42:16to take on their confusion no i have dealt with this the best way that i've known how and hindsight
42:21is always 20 20. i think the main thing that i'm feeling sorry for is for getting involved when
42:27marciano told me what happened with jesse that is something that i absolutely could have handled
42:32differently and and i'm extremely sorry for i'm sorry i'm a fucking bitch no it's okay i am too
42:42i would say it is uh crucial for us to no longer live in this gray area of the marciano and demi
42:49situation the only people that are ever going to know the truth of that is to me and marciano so i'd
42:55like to just kind of move on michaela can we hug please if i say no you're gonna cry no i'm not
43:05oh my gosh my baby it's so harsh my baby doesn't like you it got a grasp and handcraft
43:10right sorry sorry sorry triggering
43:26oh my gosh look at that so cute it looks so cute oh my gosh he got scriptures he's probably a little
43:40confused of what's going on are you ready for your big day so today we didn't get the approval of the
43:47baby blessing from dakota so we just pivoted to a blessing of comfort and whatever blessing my dad
43:52thinks he needs but i am happy that we're all coming together to you know celebrate my baby
43:58regardless of what baby daddy wanted hello i love this dress you look beautiful
44:06okay let me see the teeth did you get oh you got it look natural even though a lot of us girls aren't
44:12that active in the church anymore it is nice to be able to come together and just kind of celebrate
44:15baby ever in the church men are the ones that hold the priesthood and they are the ones that are able
44:20to give blessings so it's definitely kind of weird dynamic that taylor's not allowed to do this unless
44:26dakota's there but he wouldn't even be able to do it because he's not worthy enough to do it so now
44:30taylor's dad has to do it it's just a whole mess but i think that it's something that should change
44:35will it change probably not hello how are you good how are you doing thanks for having us over
44:45i feel like we've heard every excuse from him about all these things coming out before like i saw him
44:50swear on everything that there was nothing with jenna yeah i'm behind closed doors he's crying
44:56i'm just kind of like it's disgusting if there was more that happened taylor and i found out i would be
45:01furious for you it almost feels um a little bit weird to be celebrating ever without his dad there
45:09telling jesse dakota's secret at first i was so scared that it was going to affect our relationship
45:16but he let me know that that the truth set him free and i still want to support taylor and support
45:22ever the best way i can and that's by showing up hi you look amazing you're gonna have this baby here
45:30probably any minute now my water can break any minute now i'm not even kidding hello hey hello
45:36how are you guys good it's good to see you are we in the same dress did you take us from jaggers closet
45:42no she just was like oh kaylor's in that same dressing boy i'm sorry i'm he's a little creamy to me to me
45:52this feels so awkward it's so hard because i think
45:55everyone just wants to keep the peace right now and forget about the past you guys help yourself
46:01the food or drinks so come and say hi to mom talk everyone come and say hi to mom talk but my gut is
46:07telling me everything is calculated what's the first thing that a calculated person does damage control
46:13it's like she's back for her own gain for her own image for her own sake i definitely think she's a
46:20threat to mom talks foundation i'm scared to be a part of mom talk when she is around
46:33hey guys i need everyone's attention everyone's attention over here i just wanted to say thanks
46:39to everybody i think this is a big deal for everett to know that when he gets older he'll be able to see
46:45this that we're supporting him i'll just offer a word of prayer real quick our father in heaven we
46:50are grateful for the opportunity we have to gather today we're grateful for the opportunity that we have
46:56to celebrate little ever and we're grateful for his presence in our life and give us the direction
47:03and the guidance that we need in these things we pray for in the name of my son jesus christ amen amen
47:07thanks dad love you love you baby thank you hey maybe one day we'll get to have lasting huh
47:16do you guys want to do a tick tock absolutely someone set their phone whoever wants to do it
47:21perfect i love it i love it i'm holding out hope for the group as a whole i feel like everyone for the
47:27most part really did a good job at taking ownership and apologizing for the things that were necessary
47:34the one person that i don't feel like did that was jen there was a lot of pointing fingers and not a
47:40whole lot of self-reflection but i want to move forward with a lot more grace humility kindness i
47:49hope that we are able to come back even stronger than before the band is officially back together
47:54this is our first tick tock in how long it's been a long time did we do it did we do a vote we're
47:59always physically right now in this moment let's take a vote i don't remember leader has spoken
48:03can we vote because i need to know we don't vote anymore there is a part of me that doesn't think
48:11i can fully trust in me what will she do next is this calculated is she going to betray me in the
48:16group again i don't know if i can fully let her back in and time will tell ready set go
48:22you're not getting it it's not clocking to you it's not clocking to you that i'm standing on
48:29business is it that's good that's got cute perfect we did it guys this is an iconic moment guys
48:52nice
49:06hi how you doing good how are you good to see you you as well thank you it's very sweet of you case
49:13reached out and invited me to dinner to apologize for the way he's treated me in the past i'm willing
49:21just to hear him out but i'm like what is he gonna say how you been i'm good uh surviving it's crazy
49:28yes life is crazy always well i did want to say thanks for coming considering the past
49:36going back to the halloween party i owe you a sincere apology about the way that i acted
49:42i don't think in any situation it's okay to point and like be super condescending was
49:49not my proudest moment people ask me about you and my opinion of you you bring up the lowest point of my
49:55life so i in return bring up the lowest point of yours i will say on my end i came in already pissed
50:02to shit so that probably didn't help what's up with dakota how you guys doing oh we're horrible
50:09really like it's been horrible like i'm like we're done you're done it's just sad yeah we're done
50:14oh yeah do you remember uh my mom's friend from the gym oh i saw her like a week ago yeah
50:20tell the bitch i said hi and that she's dead
50:22shut the up that's your mom's friend it's my like basically family no that's that's insane
50:31thank you if chase says it's insane then it must be insane yeah yeah it's like yeah it's gotta be way
50:36bad yeah how are you and kate i mean we technically broke up on monday but she she's the one that actually
50:44called it off oh we're gonna get so much for this by the way yeah yeah absolutely are you crazy
50:52i mean i got crap for like following you back dakota she's like wait why are you following
50:57chase back i'm like well you follow like his girlfriend like kate like i'm like yeah who
51:01cares but he's like but there's a history there and he's like well i'm like what history and he's
51:06like well you guys all did weird in the shower oh yeah we had a pretty crazy run there for a little
51:14bit life's just crazy i would have never thought we'd be here on a dinner on a date on a date
51:22i want to see if you'll uh ever admit what you said to me at the gym you want to have that combo
51:30just curious if you'd ever admit it thank you about having feelings for you i just remember
51:36like i think you're like i feel like there's i have some feelings and i just want to get off
51:39my chest and it's like how you said it i do think that's kind of the nature of doing what we did is
51:47that feelings can for sure develop well they did develop honestly taylor i always thought you were
51:55like one of the coolest people ever it's one of the most social fun like easy to be around people
52:00i've ever met he's kind of plays coy when you bring up him saying that you had feelings he's a very
52:10charismatic guy and i know like i'm a very flirty person there's something like where it just flows
52:16naturally um i don't know how to word it because if i say chemistry it's like does that mean you like
52:21them should we kiss for all time's sake
52:51i want to see the sun come up
53:12okay ready
53:17ew
53:18god damn it are these disposable shorts what your ass is out there is they are coming apart
53:25you can lower the floaty your ball sack's about to show
53:30that was too good that was so funny
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