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00:00Hey, I've never had like a game for Dakota, ever.
00:06Really?
00:07She's lying, she's freaking lying.
00:09I'm not lying.
00:10You also told me that you kept inviting him over
00:13to your house.
00:15I literally would've only invited him over
00:16to let him talk to me and to cry it out or whatever.
00:20Cry it out and then fuck.
00:23No, no.
00:25I'm telling you, I would never even go there.
00:27I would never.
00:28Well, you should've never sent him the picture.
00:30I would never, you're right.
00:31You should've, that is so inappropriate.
00:33I actually wish that you would've did that
00:36to my husband instead of my own daughter.
00:39I never had interest in Dakota, I did a stupid thing.
00:42You're a shitty friend.
00:44You're running my appointment.
00:46Okay.
00:47Okay, thank you.
00:48Bye.
00:50Clearly she remembers his memory loss.
00:52She's freaking lying.
00:53She's Dory.
00:54She's lying, she's just like Dakota.
00:56She is.
00:57I mean, you could hear her lie, like it's funny.
00:59I know, she's stumbling on her work.
01:00I do, I just, I, no, shut up.
01:05We can hear your lying, just say it.
01:07It's giving me a headache.
01:09Hi.
01:10He was asleep until I picked him up.
01:12Ah, hello.
01:14After a stagecoach, I did have like a sliver of hope maybe for us.
01:20But now that this came out, I feel very foolish.
01:24I can't help to think of the quote, like, fool me once, shame on you.
01:27Fool me twice, shame on me.
01:29My mom, my dad, my entire family hates Dakota now.
01:32This is the nail in the coffin.
01:33No matter how much I wanted this, I will never settle for that, ever.
01:38I dropped off Dakota from your house, and he was like, he thinks you guys could get there.
01:46I said, you will never get there.
01:47You guys need to be done, because you will always question him.
01:50He's always going to question you, and there's just too much damage there.
01:54He like, makes me feel like it's my fault.
01:56Well, of course, that's what narcissists do.
01:59We know that you have faults.
02:02We all have faults.
02:03But the thing is, it's like every freaking week, it's something new, and it all comes
02:08from his end.
02:09With everything that comes out of his mouth, it's like, one right after another, he's the
02:14common denominator.
02:15Like, I think you just deserve so much better.
02:18Yeah, you deserve happiness.
02:19Dakota's not it.
02:20You haven't been happy for three years.
02:22Yeah.
02:23I don't think any mom wants to be alone.
02:26With three children, I want change.
02:28Like, I want out of this toxic cycle, because at this point, I've seen enough betrayal and
02:33lies that I don't want things to get messy when it comes to co-parenting.
02:36I can't do this.
02:37Like, I can't live like this anymore.
02:58Try me, you receive, I'll bring you to your knees.
03:02Baby, you're gonna believe me.
03:04Baby, you're gonna believe me.
03:19Baby, you're gonna believe me.
03:28Baby, you're gonna believe me.
03:29you can live a life so fabulous all day all day so fabulous with the one you love so
03:42hello with the one you trust so happy birthday thank you so much don't want to like take up
03:49too much of your day i just wanted to kind of debrief a little bit on this weekend oh yeah
03:55how are you feeling press was horrendous yeah that was that was very unprofessional what
04:02happened with you and marciano nothing nothing happened on my end
04:06um well apparently i have a cease and desist against me so i'm not able to talk on that
04:14pull it up it's not hard i mean it was such an awkward weekend like all of you are treating
04:19me this way and like being so bitchy towards me without knowing what you're talking about
04:26and having all the facts i'm just feeling overall just like ostracized from the group definitely
04:32taken aback by how cold everyone was during press and i just overnight became this liar and villain
04:41yeah that hurt i think you know it took you to get to a very vulnerable place
04:48for me to understand let me say this listening to taylor talk about how she was like you know what
04:56vulnerability comes at a price if you're going to open up this way like you're opening up your life
05:02to scrutiny and to like opinions right it's a lot it's a lot to be like watch and then you're judged
05:08for it and not that i really like cared there's a point but like it's just heavy it's really heavy
05:14i'm kind of in a similar position and i know how that feels and that sucks and it it was the first
05:21time in a while with taylor where i was kind of like you know what i feel bad i am jealous of taylor
05:26and the grace that she's given while going through all the hard things that she's going through
05:32and feeling like i haven't been given that same understanding but there's a level to which
05:38i fault myself because i'm not as open and i do suppress a lot of my trauma that could be
05:45helping and benefiting others by sharing that so yeah that's something that i'm really working
05:49through right now because that's harder for me well how do you feel about just putting all of this
05:54to rest i'm willing to you know squash whatever i can simply because i'm like i i do understand i
06:04haven't been there to defend myself and you haven't heard my side so i get that and i'll give
06:09you grace for that what if i invited all the women would you feel comfortable then i like that idea
06:16let's all get together to talk in my mind i'm like that seems like the only solution i just need to
06:23apologize for my part like going with zero expectations i mean i think that's great i think
06:29that you do care so deeply and it can you know make it hurt more that's that's what sucks because
06:36then making up is that much more vulnerable agreed because if it's not received or it's not
06:44um taken in the way you intended then it just feels like a slap in the face you know yeah
06:51oh my gosh this is looking so good i love it today i'm having a grand opening event for my school
07:13jay-z academy when the marciano scandal first came out i was so terrified that it was going to ruin
07:18my image my businesses take away jobs from people i was really spiraling and just being in this moment
07:25i'm so grateful and it really does show that if you are willing to own your mistakes and get better
07:30and get stronger the people that you love will stick by you joby things out of your mouth
07:35even though things with jordan and i have been super up and down the end of our 90-day separation is
07:42coming up and we need to make a decision soon and if it was up to jordan we would have been back
07:46together already so i'm feeling a lot of pressure and i'm not sure what i'm going to do yet
07:50it looks amazing in here
08:00oh my god this is beautiful i feel like i have like imposter syndrome right now i'm like am i
08:10supposed to be here but i love doing stuff like this with the girls it reminds me and hopefully
08:17them like why we became friends in the first place if people would just sit down and have those
08:22hard conversations shed some light on each other's perspectives we might be unstoppable
08:27okay question would you have a conversation with demene you know i don't like her i know
08:33but it's like i felt like you were starting to see what we were all seeing at the reunion and then
08:38it was like complete 180 i see what you're seeing but i also think people aren't seeing what she's
08:44seeing she's never heard anyone else out so why don't you hear her out i just think like life is
08:48too short like this i know life is too short it is people shit damn it i am so desperate to get
08:57this group back together to what it was because look at everything that we've gotten because of
09:02this group the genuine friendships the love the support the empowerment and if we can't sit down
09:09and come back to what it was it's gone it's dead i guess i'm just hoping for the best like i
09:14literally just like one all just to go in a room and like hug each other and be like please can we
09:19all just feel the love like holy shit hello hello how are you how are you doing i'm so exhausted
09:31when i go to bed that i like fall asleep i get it and i know taylor gets it too you look good like
09:35they all do like props to you so i kind of had an idea and i wanted to know how you guys felt about
09:42it okay demi was open to just not i don't know if a discussion is the right word but like get to
09:47the bottom of this squash shit and move on i do feel like after the reunion i was able to see
09:54the side of whitney that i first became friends with and i honestly really warmed my heart to see
10:00her and michaela hug it out progress let's come on
10:03i'm not sure what demi's motivation is but i'm willing to hear whitney out for the greater good
10:11what is uh demi's like agenda overall i think she just wants to feel heard
10:17it's hard because i feel like she is so so good at digging herself out of a hole like she'll do a
10:21shitty thing and then be like well i did this shady thing because i think with demi she gets
10:26very defensive and then it turns into like attack but i would hope everyone could get to that place
10:33to share their feelings and feel heard and then same for demi yeah but demi also needs to listen
10:38i understand that i think the whole point of this is to get to the truth and like instead of the he
10:42said she said i agree like we're here to hear the truth and that's it yeah so and also if we don't
10:48hear any accountability it's gonna be the same as you or we're like why just show up then yeah
10:51i get it
10:55be careful what you wish for
10:58when i'm being what you think it is
11:01be careful what you wish for
11:04be careful what you wish for
11:07be careful what you wish for
11:09play catch
11:11ready
11:13oh yeah ready go
11:16Yeah, okay, there it is. Come on, let's see.
11:20Come in.
11:22Hello. How are you?
11:24Good, how's it going?
11:26Good. I wanted you to help me look at...
11:29I did my mediation.
11:32You finally did it? Good. I'm so glad.
11:35Right now, I think it's very important for Dakota and I
11:37to come up with a concrete plan for custody in writing
11:40of what this is, what we are, and what happens from here on out.
11:43I actually don't even really talk to him
11:46when we do, like, pick-up and drop-offs.
11:48This is a plan for our child and his best interest.
11:51Well, Taylor, I'm glad that you took the initiative
11:54to contact the attorney and finally set some boundaries.
11:58I have no choice. We're done.
12:00I was like, there's between you and I, there's things, like,
12:03obviously, we've treated each other like shit, period, sure.
12:06But this is not about you and I. This is about my mom's friend.
12:09You not only screwed me over, you screwed over my family, okay?
12:12Yeah.
12:13But she treated you really good.
12:14I just don't know how he could not take responsibility
12:17for this whole thing.
12:19So, are you gonna still do the baby blessing?
12:23I'd like to. I mean, I wanted Dakota to kind of plan it out,
12:26but he's not even filming right now.
12:28He's not at all?
12:29He's refusing to film if we bring the story up at all.
12:32Oh, wow.
12:33Dakota and I had planned on having a baby blessing forever.
12:38But in the church, we can't do a baby blessing
12:41without both of us signing off.
12:43And he is hiding away, which sucks.
12:46He says, we could have, like, handled this privately.
12:49Like, you didn't have to do this.
12:51And I'm like...
12:52I hate that he always says, you don't have to.
12:54Like, it's not your problem. It's his problem.
12:57Yeah.
12:58Do you think he'll be too embarrassed to show up
13:00because of all this?
13:01The blessing?
13:02Um...
13:03I don't know.
13:04I don't know.
13:05Hello.
13:06Hello.
13:07Hi.
13:08Wow.
13:09Oh, you got a cookie.
13:10You look amazing.
13:11You look so good, too.
13:12Oh, thank you.
13:13So fancy.
13:15I think the future with Demi and Mom Talk
13:18is just little baby steps.
13:23Hello.
13:24Hi.
13:25Wow.
13:26Wow.
13:27Wow.
13:28Oh, you got a cookie.
13:29You look amazing.
13:30You look so good, too.
13:31Oh, thank you.
13:32You're so fancy.
13:34I think the future with Demi and Mom Talk is just little baby steps.
13:38There needs to be some sort of intervention where we all can just join hands and press
13:43that reset button, and people will listen to Macy, like people look up to Macy, I look
13:48up to Macy, and that's why I want to have a conversation with her, see what she's thinking
13:54about this idea.
13:55How are you doing?
13:56How's everything with your, like, St. George?
13:57We just bought a home.
13:58Are you excited?
13:59I, like, feel like I can't fully be excited yet because it's completely being renovated,
14:04so it's been a little bit homeless.
14:06It's been chaotic, but...
14:07Yeah.
14:08But, like, you're used to that.
14:09You're used to the chaos.
14:10I am.
14:11I love it.
14:12I'm like, this isn't chaotic enough.
14:13How can we mix things up a bit?
14:14How can we get worse?
14:15Yeah.
14:16I think that the chaos needs to settle.
14:19Yeah.
14:20No, it's Jessie to me.
14:21It makes me so sad.
14:23Even though Taylor is the leader of MomTalk, she's doing a lot of personal things in her
14:27life right now, and so I do think it's a good idea for Whitney and then me to head this
14:32intervention because she can represent Demi, and I can speak for the girls and Jessie to
14:38hopefully bring peace back to MomTalk.
14:40So what, I guess, do you suggest?
14:42I think everyone needs to feel heard and seen.
14:44I think Jen has some things to say.
14:46I would love some things to say.
14:48Sounds like Jessie has some things to say.
14:50Like, almost like a little testimony meeting.
14:54In the church, we have what's called testimony meeting, where people freely, willingly speak
15:00their peace, and while somebody is up there on the stand, the congregation isn't responding
15:05back.
15:06So I'm thinking that that's what might need to happen.
15:09Everyone else needs to shut up while that person is doing that.
15:14I'm worried about this.
15:15Really?
15:16I'm like, you don't know how.
15:17I have hopes.
15:18The girls feel very strongly, is what I will say.
15:23It's a lot.
15:24But that's why I'm like, I think just, let's just hear it straight from the source rather
15:28than the he said, she said.
15:29I completely get that.
15:30I think where everyone is hesitant is because Demi is so good at digging herself out of holes
15:35that they're like, is she actually genuine about this?
15:38Or is it like a way to like save face, you know?
15:41Well, then that would be then to determine.
15:44Yeah.
15:45Like, but at least we gave the person the opportunity.
15:48Yeah.
15:49You know?
15:50What do you think the agenda and the attention should be though?
15:53It needs to be validate, listen, and speak your truth.
15:59Just as much as you want to be heard, you need to listen.
16:02If you don't want to be a part of it, there's the door.
16:06I do understand where Whitney is coming from, but if this intervention does not go well,
16:11then I worry that things will get even more hostile.
16:14And who knows what that means for mom talk.
16:16I pray that Jesus is in the room with us.
16:18God will be the mediator that day.
16:20I'll let you lead the prayer then.
16:21In the beginning.
16:22I don't know if we need to pray.
16:24We need a seance.
16:26It's all the truth.
16:28Bye.
16:41Hey.
16:42Hey.
16:43What's up?
16:44Jordan and I are talking today and we're going to make a decision about what we want to do
16:54now that the 90 days are over.
16:56And I'm nervous.
16:57I don't feel quite ready to make this decision yet.
17:00I don't know if I'm ever going to feel fully settled in this, but I do know that prolonging the separation isn't going to do much.
17:07And I'm probably not going to get that feeling of clarity unless I try one way or the other.
17:12You know, now that we're done with this 90 days, this has made me like realize it's like truly how much I love you.
17:33I want to make it work with you.
17:37Not out of, not out of necessity, but because that's what I want.
17:42Because I can't imagine my life without you.
17:45And I believe that we both deserve to put what's gone, what's happened behind us and try to move forward from it.
17:59Throughout this whole separation, like I've been in limbo of like really not knowing what I wanted and I'm still scared.
18:05Like my biggest fear is that we're going to like move back in together and get back together and give it a chance.
18:10And it's just going to go right back to how it was and that it's easy to just get comfortable and fall back into old patterns, you know?
18:16So I am really scared of that. If I'm being honest, I personally feel like the things that I've needed to face that relate to some of my traumas from my past.
18:25Yeah.
18:26I've faced and I've hit them head on and I'm able to begin to work through that.
18:32And obviously you have been as well.
18:34I had my first daughter when I was 18 years old and my ex and I decided that it would be best to get married because in Utah, that's what you do.
18:43You know, we were young and became incompatible, like, fine, we're done. Let's get divorced.
18:49And I just remember feeling broken and unlovable.
18:53You know, I think it's why I began to control everything that I could so that I wouldn't feel that way anymore.
18:59Before all of this, like, I didn't know why you would act certain ways or treat me certain ways.
19:04You didn't know why I would pull away and avoid things.
19:07And in therapy, we've uncovered that, like, a lot of your aggression comes from childhood wounds, being a dad at 17, 18 years old, taking on that responsibility.
19:16There's so much that I understand now about you.
19:19And not that it makes your behavior okay, but it explains it and I understand it now.
19:24And it's changing, which is the most important part.
19:27And then with me, like, my past relationships, like, the things I've been through made me bury my emotions so much and it made me numb.
19:35And I feel like now for the first time since therapy, like, I'm feeling things and I'm, like, crying more and I'm, like, actually feeling human instead of, like, a robot.
19:45So if we're both putting the work in, we deserve to give it a chance and put that time and effort in to see if those changes can be long-lasting.
19:57And I'm willing to work through those things with you.
20:00You know, I want our family to be whole again.
20:03I've seen how being avoidant has hurt my relationships.
20:09And in our culture, there is a lot of pressure to have, like, the perfect relationship, the perfect family and everything's great.
20:15And I think that it kind of taught me these patterns to go numb and avoid and pretend everything's okay.
20:21And if I'm going to make the marriage work, I need to drop that.
20:24And I'm willing to do that because Jordan has made so many changes and I want to make sure that I'm doing the same thing.
20:30So are you ready to officially move back in?
20:34I'm over the moon about having a chance to take another stab at this and work on this.
20:43It'll be nice for you not to live in a hotel out of a suitcase.
20:45I know how hard that is.
20:47You have a washing machine again.
20:49Thank God.
20:50You're doing your own laundry, though.
20:51Are you going to mow the lawn?
20:52No.
20:53Oh.
20:54I'll hire someone.
20:55Okay.
20:56I love you and I'm glad that we've been able to work through things.
21:11I feel like if I hadn't have done all of the therapy work we've been doing, heading into this, like, intervention we're doing with MomTalk, like, I wouldn't have been able to handle it the right way.
21:20Like, I would have probably, I've just been so angry at Demi.
21:23But I feel like now doing the self work, I feel like I can face her in, like, a better way than I would have in the past.
21:29It's tough to, like, want to forgive her, like, with how disgusting what she did was.
21:34Yeah.
21:35I guess we'll see what happens.
21:36I'm a little nervous.
21:37Who knows?
21:38I have no idea how she'll come in.
21:39If she'll be angry, if she'll be normal, I have no clue.
21:50Yeah, well, can you see me if I want now you don't?
21:53Till I'm finished, you sure know I'm not going home.
21:57Yeah, baby, I made it first.
22:00Take some time.
22:03Time's running out and there's nowhere to go.
22:07Oh, this is kinda cozy.
22:09This is so pretty.
22:10Hide all the glasses.
22:12Macy and Whitney worked their magic to get us all in a neutral space.
22:17I'm hoping that we can all hear each other out.
22:19Because the last time we talked was at Jessie's house and we all know how that went.
22:24Your bullshit lie about Jess?
22:26What lie?
22:27About the hair drama?
22:28You twisting that whole thing?
22:30It's all bullshit.
22:31That was true.
22:32No, it wasn't, Taylor.
22:34For me, I would love to get back to loyalty and love and friendship.
22:38How do you feel?
22:39I'm feeling oddly calm.
22:42I don't know if that's good or bad.
22:44I think that's good.
22:49How are we going to approach this?
22:51I don't know.
22:52I mean, I have lots of things and words so I need to say, but we'll see.
22:57I honestly don't know what to expect from Demi.
23:00I don't know if she's going to come in guns blazing or sorry or remorseful.
23:04I truly don't know.
23:05I'm just going into it with an open mind.
23:09Hello.
23:10Hi.
23:11Oh my gosh, there's a pool.
23:12I'm going swimming.
23:13It looks yummy though.
23:15Are you guys okay to finish setting up?
23:17Yeah.
23:18Yeah.
23:19Because I wanted to pull you to chat.
23:20Yeah, we're good.
23:21Okay.
23:22Perfect.
23:23Okay.
23:24I thought we could go outside.
23:25I'm choking on my food.
23:26I set up a little date.
23:28Oh no.
23:31Hi.
23:32Hi.
23:33I wanted to talk to you for a while.
23:35Okay.
23:36Um, I'm curious how that conversation will go because I know Taylor wasn't too happy with
23:40her.
23:41Does she feel like she's like ready to take accountability?
23:43I think so.
23:44Okay.
23:45First and foremost, I want to apologize for how harsh I was and for kicking you while
23:55you were down and for taking a lot of what I was going through out on you because I genuinely
24:02was hurt with the CMA post, obviously my reaction was not merited.
24:07And I understand that.
24:08And what I did and how low I went was not okay.
24:11And how I talked to your mom.
24:13I apologize.
24:14And I want to have a conversation with her as well.
24:16Like that was not okay.
24:17But I did really feel hurt.
24:19And I've like had some time to really think about like why.
24:22I think that there's like a deep betrayal wound there because I did feel like through
24:27our friendship, I had like reached out to you and like been there for you.
24:30It was the emotional unavailability that I felt like I was getting from you that like
24:35hurt me.
24:36And it's not an excuse.
24:38Like how I reacted wasn't okay.
24:39It was an overreaction like beyond.
24:41I definitely felt triggered by Taylor and it made me realize how much my childhood had
24:47really shaped me.
24:48My brother has down syndrome and he was born with lots of complications.
24:52And a lot of people talk about the glass child syndrome where you grow up with a child
24:59in your family that gets a lot of the attention and their needs like come first.
25:03And I'm learning that to feel like I can't take up space.
25:07That alone is a trauma response.
25:08There was so much more happening behind closed doors that like, you know, elicited a huge response
25:15in a lot of situations.
25:16Yeah.
25:17It triggered all the beliefs of like, I don't matter.
25:21You're not worthy of friendship.
25:23People don't see that struggle and they don't see that battle.
25:26But that's been like a very real thing for me.
25:29Now I fully understand like watching you go through what you were going through with Dakota.
25:33I admittedly did not know the extent of that.
25:35Yeah.
25:36I think, I think you probably know a little bit.
25:38Yeah.
25:39Most people don't know the extent, especially being upset with you.
25:42That's the key component because I think if that information had come to me, I would
25:46have handled it differently.
25:48And even like seeing you in LA again and watching the show back to like really recognize that.
25:52So I apologize because that wasn't fair.
25:55And I have been rooting for you.
25:57I do support.
25:58I do want to see you win.
26:01I actually appreciate you saying all that.
26:02I was shocked.
26:04I understand the way you feel about me and you can come at me all day.
26:07But my mom had like nothing really to do with my issues that I created.
26:13That was hard just because I feel like a lot of anger was taken out on her and she wasn't the issue.
26:17Yes, she was defending me, but what mom wouldn't?
26:19Yeah.
26:20You know?
26:22Demi's apology, I hope, is sincere.
26:24Experiences like this where you're isolated, alone, can really humble you.
26:29I've been there.
26:30I appreciate you listening.
26:31Yeah.
26:32No, I appreciate you even saying sorry.
26:34Of course.
26:35And I mean it.
26:37Yeah.
26:38Appreciate it.
26:39Pretty, by the way.
26:41You do too.
26:44I definitely have some nerves going into today's meeting.
26:47I definitely see Jessie probably blowing up at Demi and vice versa.
26:50Um, yeah.
26:51Hey, hello.
26:52Worst case scenario, someone leaves with their extensions ripped out of their head.
26:59You've been pretty chirpy lately.
27:01I have?
27:02Mm-hmm.
27:03Oh.
27:04What are you on?
27:05Um, I'm on a vibrate.
27:06Oh.
27:07What did she say?
27:08A vibrator.
27:09I mean, that's great too.
27:10We know that.
27:12I personally don't feel like I can trust Demi or Whitney.
27:17I think I still have a lot of boundaries and a lot of walls set up.
27:22Cause I think mom talk has been so fragile for so long.
27:26It is so weird to think about how close to me and I were.
27:31We were like sisters.
27:32And to see how far we've fallen is very sad.
27:35Hey.
27:36Hello.
27:37What's up?
27:38What's up?
27:39Everyone.
27:40If you guys don't mind joining us in the couch area.
27:44If she's really truly willing to apologize, I can move on and let go.
27:48But I don't know what to expect.
27:50Okay.
27:51I have some notes here cause we have a little bit of an agenda today.
27:55Clearly things are a little contentious.
27:57It's not how we started mom talk.
27:58It's not what mom talk stands for.
27:59So we wanna maybe take steps today to improve that and maybe hope we can see eye to eye.
28:04Everybody.
28:05And I think we have a hard time interjecting when someone else is talking.
28:10So we've come up with an idea that one person will talk at a time.
28:14As soon as you've spoken your truth, you give it a good old snap.
28:18Let your light shine bright.
28:20Let your light shine bright.
28:21Oh my God.
28:22But again, this is to take accountability.
28:24Speak your truth.
28:25We're not attacking.
28:27That'll come later.
28:29I am going in with the intention to hear people out, to apologize and take accountability.
28:35But it's extremely difficult to feel like you wanna be vulnerable with a bunch of people
28:39that you're sitting around and you're like, you haven't believed me.
28:41You think I'm a liar.
28:42I mean, I feel like I am getting the dagger eyes from everyone.
28:46And then Jessie's just like not even looking at me.
28:48Okay.
28:49I'm gonna take a leap of faith and hopefully set the tone for everyone to say what they
28:55want to say.
28:56I should not have gone first.
29:00Macy, I am so sorry for not attending your baby mama event.
29:08Um, I did look up the definition of regret.
29:11And I do regret not being there for that.
29:14And I'm sorry.
29:16Micaela, I know that I've hurt you.
29:20And I know that we used to be best friends.
29:24I wasn't there for you.
29:25And I handled situations in our friendship very poorly.
29:28Taylor, you've given me so much grace.
29:31And I feel like I haven't given that in return.
29:34Lastly, I want to apologize to the group for my constant in and out, in and out.
29:41It's been hard staying when I don't feel like people care about my feelings.
29:45But I've been selfish and I want to be more selfless.
29:50Can we clap?
29:51Yeah.
29:52I'm like, is it church claps?
29:53Amen.
29:54Wait, you didn't break your glow stick.
29:55Oh, okay.
29:56Oh, there we go.
29:57Oh, there we go.
29:58Oh, there we go.
29:59All right.
30:00Whitney was obviously very prepared.
30:01And I appreciate your apology and everything that you said.
30:02And I'm sorry to everyone if I haven't always been there for you and you, Jen, and Micaela,
30:03too, when you're going through all your issues.
30:19I think like every single person is going through things and we don't realize that.
30:25We all want to be heard and loved and I love you guys.
30:29I know it's hard.
30:30There you go.
30:31So strong.
30:32Yeah, last year was the hardest year of my life.
30:37There's so much I learned about myself and that is that I'm a people pleaser.
30:44There are many times where I have played the victim.
30:47There are many times where I didn't want to see someone else's perspective in that victim mentality.
30:54I just realized like that's not only hurting myself, but it's hurting other people.
31:01And I'm really sorry.
31:03When it comes to Jen, I'm really confused.
31:08I think it's fair to say that she owes me personally an apology for making it seem like I did something wrong with Marciano.
31:15I'll just straight up say it like she was literally playing truth or dare.
31:19I called her out for it.
31:20She gave me crap for it.
31:21And you know you screwed up.
31:23I don't feel like she's really trying to seek to understand where she went wrong and take accountability.
31:29So that's, yeah, disappointing and confusing.
31:32I probably have apologies to probably everyone in this room for the way I have acted.
31:37I did everyone dirty and I was alone and I felt like I deserved it in that moment.
31:41Everyone is going to eventually have this isolated moment.
31:45And I feel like just remember that because you're going to want that same grace.
31:51Oh, why is this for like mean girls?
31:54Yeah, like when they do their thing and then it's like, hey.
31:56Can we do a trust ball like mean girls?
31:59I'm sorry everybody hates it.
32:01I'm just so funny.
32:02You would move for me.
32:03That's so funny.
32:04Oh my God.
32:05Okay, sorry.
32:08I just wanted to start by saying that I think in this group we've all been really close at one point or we've all been enemies at one point.
32:15When I first came into MomTalk, I was very shy and I didn't want to like say my opinion in situations.
32:20And then I feel like recently I've like found my voice, but I've been kind of frankly overdoing it.
32:25You know, we need to give each other grace for everything we're currently going through.
32:28I really want to try our best to uplift each other.
32:32We're all going to be thrown curveballs and your friends should be there for you.
32:35And hopefully one day we can get back to like a more positive atmosphere because this sucks ass to be honest.
32:41Hang on.
32:43Good morning.
32:45Good job.
32:46There you go.
32:47I was going to say you're the strongest one.
32:48Yeah.
32:49You're like a little muscle on me.
32:52Okay.
32:55Okay.
32:57Gosh.
32:58I'll be okay.
32:59Let it out.
33:00I don't want to.
33:01I think we're all dealing with things that trigger us or that remind us of a wound that we have.
33:15And I feel like I've been projecting a lot.
33:20Miranda, when you first came in the group, I felt like I was so protective over Taylor because I didn't get that growing up.
33:27And same with Whitney to Macy.
33:29I felt so protective over Macy because I felt like you weren't being a good friend and I felt like I had to protect her.
33:34And for that, I'm sorry.
33:38I was not trying to bully you or hurt you in any way.
33:42This last year, I feel like I've noticed the most change in my marriage, in my friendships.
33:48We all have our own past trauma and I'm trying to notice them.
33:52This is the first time me and Whitney have both apologized to each other and meant it.
33:59And so I'm finally feeling hopeful for MomTalk that we'll finally get back to why we all started this and kind of the core values of what MomTalk was built on.
34:09So, yeah, I'm excited.
34:20This is extremely uncomfortable being in this room for obvious reasons.
34:25It took me being on the outs to understand what that feels like.
34:29But I'm sorry for my part.
34:31I'm sorry for overreactions.
34:33I'm sorry for acting out of anger, saying things that maybe I didn't mean or saying things that I meant in a harsh way.
34:41I'm hopeful that in seeking to understand one another that we can come back to a neutral place.
34:46And that's my, that's my goal.
34:49There you go.
34:55It's hard to say whether Demi is taking accountability because she genuinely sees what's wrong with her actions or because she has to.
35:02However, I do find a lot of the explanations still confusing and I don't know that I buy all of it.
35:13This is Eve.
35:14Show them the butt.
35:15Her butt says MomTalk.
35:17So Eve is like the talking stick.
35:19You only get to talk if you're holding her.
35:22Let's just try to keep the vibes and the mood the same is the goal.
35:27Okay, you want to start?
35:28Yes.
35:29Okay.
35:30I wanted to thank Whitney for taking a lot of accountability.
35:34It was very shocking.
35:37It was something that we've been kind of waiting for from you and so I want to say I'm proud of you for doing that.
35:42And also to me, we would like to hear from you and your side.
35:46Okay.
35:47There was a lot going on behind closed doors, some of which I opened up to some of you about.
35:53I think the biggest thing for me that's triggering right now is not feeling believed and not feeling like people truly want to understand.
36:01There's a lot we didn't know, so it's hard to give that grace if we don't know.
36:05I think I get that because I explain and I'll tell them why I'm crying or struggling and it helps people understand it.
36:13You know?
36:14Totally.
36:15Marciano came on to me very strong.
36:17He was like expressing that like it was love at first sight and never once in a text message, in a phone call, never did I feel it for him.
36:26We've never kissed in our life.
36:28I've never even told him he was cute.
36:30Period.
36:31The end.
36:32But Marciano did sexually assault me.
36:36In my mind, I'm just thinking walk on eggshells, play Kate.
36:40I think what's hard in that situation, you continue to talk to him.
36:43And I think that's no one saying that we don't believe you with what happened.
36:46I think we're all just confused.
36:48To me has made some crazy allegations about me.
36:51But why are you DMing me?
36:52Why are you giving me your phone number and proceed to have multiple hours of conversation and have a continued relationship after that?
36:59And then we were told not to say anything too.
37:01I never wanted to expose him.
37:03I never wanted to talk about this.
37:06I didn't want that.
37:07Like that was the reason of me being like, please, Jen, don't bring this up.
37:11This was a response to a pattern that stems from something so much bigger.
37:17And I haven't opened up and like shown that side of me.
37:20So I get the confusion.
37:22I understand that I've made missteps along the way.
37:24And I'm sorry.
37:29When Demi feels the need to defend herself, she just like goes to a level 10.
37:32But she didn't in this moment.
37:34She was calm and was willing to be vulnerable.
37:38I'm very proud of her.
37:40Can I say something?
37:42Just being totally transparent.
37:44I obviously want to walk out here and be like, oh, I understand to me.
37:48Like I can see her.
37:49I want to move forward.
37:50But to be honest, I'm even more confused now.
37:53First, I just want to know what your intentions were DMing him.
38:07Those inappropriate messages.
38:09The oyster ones?
38:10Yeah.
38:11So these are from Marciano's phone.
38:13She responds, it's no different than swallowing cum.
38:19You have to understand seeing flirty messages and DMs.
38:21But not flirty on my end.
38:23No.
38:24Yes.
38:25Yes.
38:26No.
38:27Yeah.
38:28Well, it's the context and intention matters.
38:29But do you understand how that's kind of confusing that like the same man that you're
38:33saying assaulted you and no one saying that he didn't do that.
38:35But it's like you're sending a message saying like, well, cum.
38:38Like that's just like.
38:39Can I see that?
38:40It's just not making sense.
38:41Can I see that?
38:42Okay.
38:43I think that all of us have experienced a trauma in our life.
38:48And I even think about Connor's trauma.
38:51And I don't understand why he did the things he did.
38:54I don't understand why you had to do what you did.
38:57And I may never understand that.
38:59But before this gets rogue, like we may never know the nitty gritty.
39:04And you may never understand that.
39:06Just to give context, like having him FaceTime as a nickname for him, sending him photos
39:11of those things for us were like alarming.
39:14Because if this guy assaulted you, why are you bringing your daughter into it?
39:17So in the first initial conversation that we had post Villa, I had him on speaker and
39:22was like, who's that?
39:23And I was like, oh, just a friend or whatever.
39:25And she was like, let me see.
39:26And she clicked FaceTime.
39:27I was like, oh, fuck.
39:29It wasn't FaceTiming Marciano, but this is my daughter.
39:32But then sending videos of her praying for him.
39:34And then she called him Martino baby.
39:36So she had a nickname.
39:37And then you said that's going to be your name in my phone.
39:39I had no clue who Marciano was, but during the time when we found out about everything
39:44with you, there was a lot of phone calls.
39:46At this point, I'm like, okay, move into like, we're good.
39:50Like we're friends.
39:51Just act like everything's normal.
39:52Pretend that didn't happen.
39:53Move past it because you were now focused on taking me down is how it feels.
39:56No, move past that.
39:58Why were there so many phone calls?
40:00Why?
40:01Why did you have to be involved?
40:02I think for me, it was just anger.
40:07And that's a sad excuse, but truly.
40:09Like feeling hurt about how our friendship had ended.
40:12And I'm sorry that I haven't been there for you.
40:15And I know you've been going through it.
40:18I told you that I would be the friend that would bury a body for you.
40:23And I meant that.
40:25And I know you maybe don't believe that.
40:27My passion and my love and my loyalty is fierce.
40:30And that's why I feel so hurt when I don't feel like that's reciprocated.
40:35I think I've had a lot of resentment towards you because one of my, like, biggest wounds
40:42that I've uncovered in therapy is I've never felt good enough in anything.
40:47And I think the things that happen in our friendship, like contracts and hair,
40:52like it just really obviously brought those to the surface.
40:55Like, okay, I'm not good enough.
40:56Like, um, I felt like this group was my safe place.
41:00Would I have like the person that was my safe place do it too?
41:03It was just really hard.
41:05I feel like I still don't have clarity on the whole situation with Demi and Marciano behind the scenes.
41:11I don't know if he lied about us having sex, if she pressured him to lie.
41:15I don't know if I'll ever know.
41:17But at the end of the day, I just regret that we let a greasy man come in between us.
41:21I'm ready to drop the hostility and just start new.
41:26I think this is probably a good first step.
41:29I feel like everyone is very vulnerable and open.
41:32And one thing I do want to say is that never would I ever condone victim shaming.
41:37Like, as you know, I've been through my own shit.
41:39I would never want someone to not believe me, you know?
41:42And so I'm sorry if you felt that way at all.
41:46Yeah.
41:47And I think at the end of the day, no one wants this hostility.
41:49I think all of us can say we want this to be cleared up.
41:51I feel like genuinely I want to be able to move past this.
41:54And no one's not believing you.
41:55No one's not like shaming you.
41:58We're just trying to add it all up so that we can move past this.
42:01Yeah.
42:02Thanks, everyone, for listening.
42:04And I'm sorry again for anything on my end.
42:08I understand from an outside perspective why all of this would be so confusing.
42:13Do I necessarily think that it's my responsibility to take on their confusion?
42:17No.
42:18I have dealt with this the best way that I've known how.
42:21And hindsight is always 20-20.
42:23I think the main thing that I'm feeling sorry for is for getting involved.
42:27When Marciano told me what happened with Jessie,
42:30that is something that I absolutely could have handled differently.
42:33And I'm extremely sorry for.
42:36I'm sorry.
42:37I'm a fucking bitch.
42:38No, it's okay.
42:39I am too.
42:40No, you're good.
42:41I would say it is crucial for us to no longer live in this gray area of the Marciano and Demi situation.
42:50The only people that are ever going to know the truth of that is Demi and Marciano.
42:55So I'd like to just kind of move on.
42:57Mikaela, can we hug, please?
42:59If I say no, you're going to cry.
43:00No.
43:01I'm not going to cry.
43:02No, I'm not.
43:03I'm trying to figure it out.
43:04Oh my gosh.
43:05My baby is so harsh.
43:06My baby doesn't like you.
43:07in talk to her.
43:08No, no, no.
43:09I don't.
43:10my baby doesn't like you.
43:11Sorry, sorry.
43:16I'm not alone, I'm not alone, we, we, I'm not alone, God is with us, we, I'm not alone, I'm not alone, we, we, I'm not alone, God is with us.
43:31Hello.
43:31This is so cute.
43:33Oh my gosh, look at that.
43:35So cute.
43:36It looks so cute.
43:37Oh my gosh, he got scriptures.
43:39Oh, Luke.
43:39He's probably a little confused with what's going on.
43:41Are you ready for your big day?
43:43So today we didn't get the approval of the baby blessing from Dakota, so we just pivoted to a blessing of comfort and whatever blessing my dad thinks he needs.
43:54But I am happy that we're all coming together to, you know, celebrate my baby regardless of what baby daddy wanted.
44:01Hello, I love this dress.
44:02You look beautiful.
44:03Hello, guys.
44:04This is cute.
44:06Okay, let me see the teeth.
44:07Did you get, oh, you got?
44:09They look natural.
44:10Even though a lot of us girls aren't that active in the church anymore, it is nice to be able to come together and just kind of celebrate baby ever.
44:16In the church, men are the ones that hold the priesthood and they are the ones that are able to give blessings.
44:21So it's definitely kind of weird dynamic that Taylor's not allowed to do this unless Dakota's there, but he wouldn't even be able to do it because he's not worthy enough to do it.
44:30So now Taylor's dad has to do it.
44:31It's just a whole mess, but I think that it's something that should change.
44:35Will it change?
44:36Probably not.
44:37Hello.
44:38How are you?
44:39Good.
44:40How are you doing?
44:41Thanks for having us over.
44:42Yeah, of course.
44:43Hello.
44:43Hi.
44:43Good morning.
44:45I feel like we've heard every excuse from him about all these things coming out before.
44:50Like I saw him swear on everything that there was nothing more with Jenna.
44:53Behind closed doors, he's crying.
44:55I'm just kind of like...
44:57It's disgusting.
44:58If there was more that happened, Taylor, and I found out, I would be furious for him.
45:03It almost feels a little bit weird to be celebrating ever without his dad there.
45:09Telling Jesse Dakota's secret.
45:12At first, I was so scared that it was going to affect our relationship, but he let me know that the truth set him free.
45:20And I still want to support Taylor and support ever the best way I can, and that's by showing up.
45:25Hi!
45:26Oh, you look amazing.
45:27You look cute.
45:28You look amazing.
45:29You're going to have this baby here?
45:30Probably.
45:31Any minute now.
45:32My water can break any minute now.
45:33I'm not even kidding.
45:34Hello.
45:35Hey.
45:36Hello.
45:36How are you guys?
45:37Good.
45:38It's good to see you.
45:39Are we in the same dress?
45:40Did you tell us from Jagger's closet?
45:42No, she just was like, oh, Taylor's in that same dress and boy.
45:45Same dress.
45:45Hello, how are you?
45:47Sorry, he's a little cranky.
45:49Demi, Demi, Demi.
45:52This feels so awkward.
45:54It's so hard because I think everyone just wants to keep the peace right now and forget about the past.
46:00You guys help yourself with the food or drinks.
46:02Come and say hi to mom talks.
46:04I need to say hi to everyone.
46:05Come and say hi to mom talks.
46:06But my gut is telling me everything is calculated.
46:10What's the first thing that a calculated person does?
46:12Damage control.
46:13It's like she's back for her own gain, for her own image, for her own sake.
46:19I definitely think she's a threat to MomTalk's foundation.
46:22I'm scared to be a part of MomTalk when she is around.
46:25Hey guys, I need everyone's attention.
46:36Everyone's attention over here.
46:38I just wanted to say thanks to everybody.
46:40I think this is a big deal for Everett to know that when he gets older, he'll be able to see this, that we're supporting him.
46:46I'll just offer a word of prayer real quick.
46:48Thanks, Dad.
46:49Our Father in heaven, we are grateful for the opportunity we have to gather today.
46:54We're grateful for the opportunity that we have to celebrate little ever.
46:58And we're grateful for his presence in our life.
47:02And give us the direction and the guidance that we need.
47:04And these things we pray for in the name of my son, Jesus Christ.
47:06Amen.
47:06Amen.
47:07Thanks, Dad.
47:08Love you.
47:09Love you, babe.
47:12Hey.
47:13Hey.
47:14Maybe one day we'll get to have lasting hot.
47:16Do you guys want to do a TikTok?
47:19Absolutely.
47:19Someone set their phone.
47:21Whoever wants to do it.
47:21Perfect.
47:22I love it.
47:23I love it.
47:23I'm holding out hope for the group as a whole.
47:26I feel like everyone, for the most part, really did a good job at taking ownership and apologizing for the things that were necessary.
47:34The one person that I don't feel like did that was Jen.
47:36There was a lot of pointing fingers and not a whole lot of self-reflection.
47:42But I want to move forward with a lot more grace, humility, kindness.
47:48I hope that we are able to come back even stronger than before.
47:52The band is officially back together.
47:55This is our first TikTok in how long?
47:57It's been a long time.
47:57Did we do a vote?
47:59We're always physically right now in this moment.
48:01Let's take a vote.
48:01Did we do a vote?
48:02I don't remember.
48:02Our leader has spoken.
48:03Can we vote?
48:04Because I need to know.
48:05We don't vote anymore.
48:06There is a part of me that doesn't think I can fully trust in me.
48:12What will she do next?
48:13Is this calculated?
48:15Is she going to betray me in the group again?
48:17I don't know if I can fully let her back in and time will tell.
48:21Ready, set, go.
48:24You're not getting it.
48:25It's not clocking to you.
48:27It's not clocking to you that I'm standing on business, is it?
48:30That was good.
48:31That was good.
48:32Cute.
48:33Perfect.
48:34You did it, guys.
48:35This is an iconic moment, guys.
48:37This is an iconic moment, guys.
48:37This is an iconic moment, guys.
48:37This is an iconic moment.
49:07How are you doing?
49:08Good, how are you?
49:09Good to see you.
49:10You as well.
49:12That's very sweet of you.
49:13Case reached out and invited me to dinner
49:17to apologize for the way he's treated me in the past.
49:21I'm willing just to hear him out, but I'm like,
49:23what is he going to say?
49:24How you been?
49:26I'm good.
49:27Surviving.
49:28It's crazy.
49:29Yes, life is crazy, always.
49:31Well, I did want to say thanks for coming,
49:33considering the past.
49:36Going back to the Halloween party,
49:38I owe you a sincere apology about the way that I acted.
49:42I don't think in any situation it's okay to point
49:46and, like, be super condescending.
49:48It was not my proudest moment.
49:51People ask me about you and my opinion of you.
49:53You bring up the lowest point of my life,
49:55so I, in return, bring up the lowest point of yours.
49:58I will say, on my end, I came in already pissed as shit,
50:02so that probably didn't help.
50:04What's up with Dakota?
50:05How you guys doing?
50:06Oh.
50:07We're horrible.
50:08Really, like, it's been horrible.
50:10Like, I'm, like, we're done.
50:11You're done?
50:12It's just sad.
50:13Yeah, we're done.
50:14Oh.
50:15Yeah, do you remember my mom's friend from the gym?
50:18Oh, I saw her, like, a week ago.
50:19Yeah.
50:20Tell the bitch I said hi and that she's dead.
50:24Shut the fuck up.
50:25Shut the fuck up.
50:26That's your mom's friend.
50:27It's my, like, basically family.
50:28No, that's fucking insane.
50:31If Chase says it's insane, then it must be insane, right?
50:33Yeah, yeah.
50:34That's, like, I...
50:35Yeah, it's gotta be way bad.
50:37Yeah.
50:38How are you and Kate?
50:39I mean, we technically broke up on Monday, but she's the one that actually called it off.
50:45Oh, we're gonna get so much shit for this, by the way.
50:48Yeah?
50:49Yeah, absolutely.
50:50Are you crazy?
50:51I mean, I got crapped for, like, following you back.
50:55Dakota's just like, wait, why are you following Chase back?
50:58And I'm like, well, you follow, like, his girlfriend, like, Kate.
51:00Like, I'm like...
51:01Yeah, who cares?
51:02But he's like, but there's a history there.
51:03And he's like, well, I'm like, what history?
51:05And he's like, well, you guys all did weird shit in the shower.
51:08Oh, yeah, we had a pretty crazy run there for a little bit.
51:15Life's just crazy.
51:16I would've never thought we'd be here at a dinner.
51:18At a dinner.
51:19On a date.
51:20On a date.
51:21I want to see if you'll ever admit what you said to me at the gym.
51:28You want to have that combo?
51:30Just curious if you'd ever admit it.
51:32About having feelings for you?
51:35I just remember, like, I think you're just like, I feel like there's, I have some feelings
51:39and I just want to get it off my chest.
51:40And that's like how you said it.
51:42I do think that's kind of the nature of doing what we did, is that feelings can change.
51:47For sure develop.
51:48Well, they did.
51:49Develop.
51:50Honestly, Taylor, I always thought you were like one of the coolest people ever.
51:54It's one of the most social, fun, like easy to be around people I've ever met.
52:00Chase kind of plays coy when you bring up him saying that you had feelings for you.
52:09He's a very charismatic guy and I know, like, I'm a very flirty person.
52:14There's something like where it just flows naturally.
52:17Um, I don't know how to word it because if I say chemistry, it's like, does that mean
52:21you like them?
52:23Should we kiss for all time's sake?
52:29I love you.
52:30So it's like…
52:31Can't you float away?
52:32It's like…
52:33To come out.
52:34I want to see the sun come out.
52:36I want to make it to this.
52:38I want to see the sun come out.
52:41Up, up, up, up.
52:44I wanna see the sun come up, up, up, or make it to this.
52:50I wanna see the sun come up, up, up, up, up.
52:56Waps are better and I'm missing the sun come up, come up, come up, yeah.
53:04I wanna see the sun come up, come up, come up, yeah.
53:12Okay, ready?
53:14Oh my god.
53:17Ew!
53:18Goddammit, are these disposable shorts?
53:20What?
53:21Your ass is out.
53:22Is the disposable?
53:23Are they coming apart?
53:24Dang.
53:25You can lower the float and your ball sack's about to show.
53:29Dang.
53:30That was too good.
53:31That was so funny.
53:33No.
53:34That was so funny.
53:36That's it.
53:37That was so funny.
53:39That was so funny.
53:41You
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