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The Graham Norton Show - Season 33 Episode 10- Kate Winslet, Jacinda Ardern, Alan Carr, Seth Meyers, Cat Burns
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00:00As well as starring in the poignant Christmas drama, Goodbye June, it is a very warm welcome back to Kate Winslet!
00:23Hello everybody!
00:25Hi!
00:26Hi!
00:27What is unlike you Kate?
00:29Well, I normally come a bit businessy and play it safe and I thought, you know what, it's Graham, I'm 50, I look amazing, go for it!
00:40Is there a lot of talcum powder involved in this thing?
00:43Actually no, slightly wishing there was.
00:45Okay!
00:46To be honest.
00:47Getting it off, you'll definitely wish there had been.
00:48I think so.
00:49Peeling towards.
00:50So, welcome back to Kate, welcome back to Alan.
00:54And for the first time, Seth and Jacinda, love to see you both.
00:57That's right.
00:58Very good.
00:59You fulfilled your promise to me when you were a guest on my show.
01:01Somebody said I'd said that to you.
01:02Did I really say you?
01:03Oh my god, you can't even remember the promise.
01:05No.
01:06You know, after you left the room, everybody said he won't remember a word he said to you.
01:11That's true.
01:12Yeah.
01:13But no, I'm glad I didn't break my promise.
01:15Yeah.
01:16Obviously I promised you'd be a guest on my show because I was a guest on your show.
01:18Yeah, and here we are.
01:19Here you are.
01:20I'm thrilled to be here.
01:21Well no, we're delighted you're here.
01:22And Jacinda, gorgeous to see you.
01:24Do you know what, it's just lovely to have a New Zealander on the sofa rather than on the
01:28red chair telling a vile story.
01:30I will admit that when your producer called, I did clarify which seat I would be in.
01:37Yeah.
01:38It feels like it's part of national service in New Zealand.
01:40You must go abroad and tell a story about shitting yourself.
01:42When you leave, we check your passport.
01:44We check that you've got a good set of yarns.
01:47But it's something about New Zealanders.
01:49They do tell a good yarn.
01:51They really do.
01:52And, you know, they're shameless as well.
01:55There's that.
01:57And Kate, there's a kind of New Zealand connection because you started your film career in New
02:02Zealand.
02:03Yes, I did.
02:04I did.
02:05The first film I ever did when I was 17 years old was filmed in New Zealand, directed by
02:08Peter Jackson.
02:09We were just backstage saying we're going to end up talking about Peter Jackson.
02:12Well, we are because before politics came a call in, you tried to work with Peter Jackson
02:17in New Zealand.
02:18I guess technically I did.
02:19I auditioned for...
02:20Did you actually?
02:21I did.
02:22Brilliant!
02:23Half of New Zealand auditioned just to be, and half of New Zealand's dad except for
02:29me.
02:30I did.
02:31What was it though?
02:32Too tall?
02:33What was the problem?
02:34That's what I told myself.
02:35I auditioned to be an extra as a hobbit.
02:38Because I lived, I grew up quite close to Hobbiton where they did all the filming.
02:45It's not a real place.
02:46It is.
02:47You didn't just believe it exists.
02:48I also believe it exists.
02:49Well, you're wrong.
02:50I know.
02:51I think it would have been fun if there was just one tall hobbit in the background.
02:56Well, as I recall, they had a five foot seven, you know, ruler against the doorway.
03:04And as I walked in, I just...
03:07Yeah.
03:08Pulling down a little.
03:09A little bit of limbo.
03:10I did a little limbo and then I got as far as the forms.
03:13And I do remember they asked, can you ride a horse bareback?
03:17And can you joust?
03:19Oh.
03:20And I could ride bareback because New Zealand.
03:23But the jousting I fell shy on.
03:25Also, I don't remember any jousting in that film.
03:27There wasn't.
03:28Obviously, nobody, everyone went, no.
03:32They needed at least two.
03:35Yeah.
03:36Now, Alan, I have to say, huge congratulations on Celebrity Traders.
03:40Oh.
03:41I mean, it was amazing.
03:42There you are.
03:43I love that picture.
03:46I love it.
03:48I did some extra filming for it and they went,
03:51Oh, Alan, do the face when I put the...
03:53Dude, that's my face.
03:54That's not a face.
03:55Do the face.
03:56And I knew because I watched the first episode
04:01and my phone was pinging and like, you know,
04:03when you're in the middle aisle at Lidl,
04:05when you're going to Greg's for the last sausage roll.
04:08I was being, yeah, manipulated.
04:11And I was saying, you know, you're on television a lot.
04:15And so you kind of think, I am known.
04:17But then being the star of the biggest show, the most talked about show,
04:23it must feel different.
04:24Yeah.
04:25I mean, people go, Oh, Alan, isn't he funny?
04:27I've been on telly for 25 years.
04:29I must have been awful.
04:31But you know the funny thing and they never kept it in.
04:35And I just felt really proud.
04:37Just like outwitting all these clever people.
04:39And Stephen Fry was at the round table and he went,
04:42Who can the traitors be?
04:45Now, remember the Cambridge spies.
04:47They were flamboyant.
04:48They were camp.
04:49They were out there.
04:50But no one spotted them.
04:51And I was obviously going, I know.
04:53And are you, are you tired of it yet?
05:00Or are you still sick of it?
05:02Well, you say sick of it.
05:04Oh, I know what you're saying.
05:05Yeah, we've got a clip of you out and about in Soho.
05:08Oh, please don't talk to me about celebrity traitors.
05:15When it pulls back, he's even got the lamp.
05:23We've got lots to talk about tonight.
05:28Let's get started with Kate Winslet's new movie.
05:30It is called Goodbye June.
05:32And it's in select UK cinemas from the 12th of December.
05:35And on Netflix from Christmas Eve.
05:38And this is a proper Winslet production.
05:41You star and you direct.
05:43But I think the most fascinating thing is that your son wrote this.
05:47And what strikes me is it's not a story you imagine a 19-year-old guy
05:52would want to write.
05:54No.
05:55So my wonderful son, Joe, when he was 19 years old,
05:59he applied to a screenwriting course at the National Film and Television
06:02School.
06:03Look, there he is.
06:04He's so sweet.
06:05And he has always been very passionate and really good at writing.
06:09And it's been a big part of his creativity.
06:11But that didn't necessarily mean that he was going to be able to write
06:13a screenplay.
06:14Yeah.
06:15So he did this six-month intensive course.
06:17And he was encouraged by a fantastic tutor to just write from the heart.
06:23And the most significant thing that had happened in his life was the loss of
06:26his grandmother when he was 13, my mum.
06:28And he was just so struck and moved by how we all came together for her and because we
06:35all came from this one woman.
06:37And so he used that just as a loose inspirational backdrop and created a fictional story about
06:43a messy, complex fictional family set at Christmas time.
06:48And so it's really a story about how a family do come together against sort of all odds in
06:54many ways because there are lots of family dynamics at play that are quite challenging.
07:00And they have to make it OK so they can make it good for this woman to leave them all behind
07:06knowing that they're all going to be all right.
07:08And it was just an extraordinary experience.
07:11And he'd written this script and he handed it to me and he was like,
07:13oh, you know, I've written this thing and it's probably not very good.
07:17Maybe you'll just read it.
07:19And then lie if you think it's crap, you know.
07:21And I read it and it was very much not crap.
07:24And I said, well, you've written a film and we're going to make it.
07:29And he's like, no, mum, don't do that mum thing.
07:35And I said, no, this is what we're going to do.
07:38He worked on it some more and Netflix showed some interest and we're like,
07:42oh, my God, it's real.
07:43And I suddenly realised I couldn't let it go.
07:45And so here I am 50 years old and I'm now a female director.
07:49And I'm very proud.
07:50Well done you. Very good.
07:55Well, the clip we have is you breaking the news about your mother's illness
07:59to one of your sisters played by Toni Collette.
08:02Toni Collette, yeah.
08:03Hi.
08:04I'm actually teaching my holistic dance therapy.
08:06So I can't really chitchat, but how are you?
08:08Helen, listen to me.
08:09Oh, my gosh, Julia.
08:10This class is so incredible for grief.
08:12There's this one man whose wife died because she slipped on an Ikea catalogue
08:17and fell down the stairs.
08:18I mean, how tragic is that?
08:20She was naked.
08:21Helen, listen, please.
08:22Stop. Stop.
08:23Just listen.
08:24Mum's gone back into hospital.
08:26What?
08:27Connor just called me.
08:28Oh, my God.
08:29She couldn't breathe and they're just trying to figure out what's gone on.
08:31I'm just heading out the house now, just leaving.
08:33Oh, my God.
08:34Right now.
08:35Okay, okay.
08:36Okay.
08:37Oh, God, breathe.
08:38She's at the Princess Mary, but I do actually think you should come if you can, I think.
08:41If you can.
08:42I'll just come straight there.
08:43I'll get a plane today and I'll bring some Florida water and sage to clear out Mum's room
08:48and some crystals for healing and I'll pick up some orange squash for her,
08:51because I know she loves it.
08:52Great.
08:53Bring some orange.
08:54Loves it.
08:55Bring some orange squash, definitely.
08:56Yeah, okay, great.
08:57Listen, you just let me know what time you get in.
08:58Text me.
08:59I can't believe it, so...
09:00I mean, can you tell me...
09:01Bye, bye, bye, bye.
09:02Fuck me.
09:08I mean, I'm going to totally go out there.
09:10You mentioned some of the other people in Andrew Risberg, Johnny Flynn, Timothy Spall.
09:13Timothy Spall, yes.
09:14Dame Helen Mirren, I hear she had some reservations or some doubts.
09:17So, it all went through proper channels and agents and I spoke to her on the phone
09:21and I told her the story and I said it was written by my wonderful son
09:24and I was going to direct it and she was listening and listening and she said,
09:28darling, I do have to stop you because actually I've got two personal rules.
09:33I will not play someone with dementia and I won't play someone who has got cancer.
09:38And I said, okay, absolutely fine, totally understand that, which I did.
09:42And I said, there's no need, I won't send you the script.
09:44She said, no, no, do send it, it does sound rather special.
09:46A week later, I get an email.
09:48She says, I'll break my rule.
09:49I'd love to support you.
09:51This is a wonderful, wonderful project.
09:53We got Helen Mirren.
09:55And she's great in the film.
09:57She really is amazing.
09:58She's wonderful, yeah.
09:59And I suppose as a director, you know, if you're directing people like Dame Helen Mirren,
10:03you know, that must make your job kind of easier.
10:06But then, as you say, you...
10:07Did I shit myself is what you're saying.
10:10In a ditch in New Zealand.
10:12There's a red chair waiting for you.
10:14Let's not get on to poo.
10:15You always get me on to poo on this show, Grant.
10:17Come on, back in the room.
10:18Back in the room.
10:19But no, the grandchildren, there's a lot of very young grandchildren.
10:23Yes.
10:24I mean, directing them must be like sort of herding cats.
10:26Oh, directing children is the greatest joy.
10:30There's this thing of never work with children and animals.
10:33Working with children is wonderful because children, children bring the joy.
10:37And I also have a theory about kids.
10:39Unless they are incredibly, incredibly gifted, actually, you can't teach children to act.
10:44But you can just show them how to be by creating an environment that feels really safe,
10:49really playful and encouraging.
10:50They were encouraged not to learn their lines.
10:53They were encouraged to make lots and lots of juicy mistakes.
10:56And I would sometimes say to them things like,
10:58Now, you see that hospital bed over there?
11:00I've hidden something in that bed.
11:01And your job in this part of the story is to just find what I've hidden in there.
11:05Haven't hidden a thing.
11:06The children never knew that we were rolling cameras.
11:09And so they were completely natural all of the time.
11:11We would just use hand signals and it was just amazing.
11:14And they loved it and they didn't want it to finish.
11:17And working with children, I mean, as you say, a lot of people say working with children is difficult.
11:21Jacinda, tell us when you discovered you were going to have a baby.
11:28The precise moment? The bathroom?
11:31Well...
11:32Well...
11:35In New Zealand, election night, it's not always clear whether or not you have been successful.
11:41So in 2017, I somewhat unexpectedly became leader of my party.
11:46Campaigned hard and on election night, didn't know whether or not we'd managed to clinch government.
11:53So we went into a period of negotiations and they take about two weeks typically.
11:57I was about three days shy of those talks concluding and finding out if I was the Prime Minister of New Zealand when I found out I was pregnant.
12:08Is that actually true?
12:09That's actually true.
12:10Oh my God.
12:11Um...
12:12You're even more amazing.
12:13I'm really glad you've gone there because you could say that's terrible planning.
12:19It was. It was.
12:20But women, we just get on with it, don't we? Come on.
12:22That's right.
12:23That's right.
12:24And it was just like that.
12:25You just had to take every day as it came because then three days later, live on the 6pm news, the minor party we were negotiating with declared that I would be the Prime Minister.
12:34And it was only me and my husband that knew that I'd do it while having a baby.
12:39So even when you were being sworn in...
12:40Oh my God, she is amazing!
12:43You are so amazing!
12:45When you were being...
12:46Well, I could probably add, he wasn't actually my husband at the time either.
12:50Even more amazing!
12:53I misheard and I thought you said it wasn't even my husband.
12:58Funny story.
13:00So it was awkward.
13:01It was awkward.
13:02Hilarious.
13:03But you weren't able to tell people by the time you were being sworn in.
13:08No.
13:09No.
13:10And at that point, by the time I was being sworn in and we had then a very official regal ceremony at Parliament to open up Parliament and the Governor-General comes in and gives a speech from the throne.
13:24And for that moment, she faces all of Parliament and then I sit next to her on this side facing out the Leader of the Opposition here.
13:32The entire Judiciary, leaders of the Armed Forces, very, very regal.
13:38And the entire time, I'm thinking, I'm absolutely going to throw up.
13:44And I'm clocking where my exits are.
13:46I even started thinking, would anyone believe I just had a bad kebab?
13:50Thankfully, thankfully, thankfully, I got through and I got through 20 weeks without telling, without telling people.
14:00Wow.
14:01That's amazing.
14:02I got a lot of flowy blouses inside.
14:05And because Seth, your wife, it wasn't morning sickness, but on your wedding day was nearly spoiled.
14:11Yeah, she had food poisoning and we were at our rehearsal dinner and then she felt terrible.
14:18And she said, I don't feel well.
14:20And I said, it's, trust me, it's just wedding jitters.
14:23That thing when, like, a man with no experience just is very certain of what's happening.
14:29Having gone to zero days of medical school, I'm like, trust me, it's just wedding jitters.
14:32You're very nervous about marrying.
14:34Yeah, yeah, yeah.
14:35And you have every right to be.
14:37No, but she's like, I think I have food poisoning.
14:39I'm like, I promise you, it's just jitters, it's wedding jitters.
14:42And then, you know, we did sleep in separate beds in different places the night before our wedding as per tradition.
14:47And then in the morning, I called her.
14:49I'm like, so how are you doing?
14:50She's like, I am in the emergency room.
14:51I do have food poisoning.
14:54But it was the one thing that was so lovely is that we had, she really wanted to do a rehearsed first dance.
15:01And we're both really terrible dancers.
15:03And we had like gone to a whole like dance class with a, you know, personal instructor.
15:08And even the instructor who started by saying, look, anyone can be a dancer as long as you're in love.
15:13And at the end of the first hour was like, hum.
15:18And I remember like the night of, you know, at the wedding, because she did tough it out and, you know,
15:23it was on an IV and she rallied the way women do.
15:26And she goes, I just don't think we can do the first dance.
15:29And I remember being like, oh, thank God.
15:31Thank God you ate a bad oyster.
15:33Because Alan, where were you?
15:37Was it Mexico?
15:38I got Montezuma's revenge.
15:39Have you heard that?
15:40Yeah.
15:41Oh my God.
15:42I had that.
15:43What did you do?
15:44What did you do to Montezuma?
15:45I know.
15:46Listen, it was so bad.
15:47And this sounds like a made up story, but it's true.
15:49Have you heard of Palenque where all the Inca monuments are?
15:52I felt, oh my God, I'm going to chip myself.
15:55And then I ran and got some water.
15:58And as I came out the bushes, there was a marathon there.
16:02And a woman ran past, took my bottle of water and tipped it over her head.
16:05She thought I was one of those people.
16:07Yeah.
16:08Oh no.
16:09I was so dehydrated.
16:12And can I say, Hotel Capri in Acapulco, they refused to give me more toilet paper.
16:17Oh.
16:18Oh, that's not nice.
16:19No, Mr. Khan.
16:20No, Mr. Khan.
16:21No, please.
16:22Indeed.
16:23Do you remember that finger boy?
16:24Do you remember that finger boy?
16:25Do you remember the finger boy?
16:26The finger bus is coming.
16:27Oh, the finger boys.
16:28I think we're saying the finger boys.
16:30The finger boys.
16:31That is short of Montezuma's revenge.
16:32I always said finger boys as well.
16:33I always said finger boys as well.
16:34You're the one.
16:35You're the one.
16:36You're the one.
16:37I remember.
16:38Use this.
16:39I remember just laying next to the toilet and it was coming out both ends and I was just staring
16:45in.
16:46How could it get worse?
16:47And then this party boat came round.
16:49The finger boys are coming.
16:52Fuck you.
16:54That's right.
16:55APPLAUSE
16:57Kate, we must also remind everybody that we'll be seeing you soon in the third instalment
17:03of Avatar.
17:04Correct.
17:05Yes.
17:06This one's called Fire and Ash.
17:08I know.
17:09It doesn't look anything like me.
17:10Every time I see myself in Avatar, I'm like, oh, that is actually me.
17:13No.
17:14They do make you go and do it.
17:15Yes.
17:16Yes.
17:17Absolutely.
17:18But you can tell it's me from my top lip, I think.
17:20And because they've kept my beauty mark, which is nice.
17:23I mean, it's not animation.
17:24It's proper motion capture.
17:26But this time, no holding breath underwater.
17:28No, there was quite a lot of that as well still.
17:30Oh, really?
17:31And there was a bit of underwater fighting in this one.
17:33But I can't really say anything.
17:35No.
17:36You're going to have to see it.
17:37Well, people can find out on the 19th of December.
17:40Avatar, Fire and Ash is on the 19th December.
17:42And don't forget Kate's film Goodbye June.
17:44That is in cinemas from next Friday.
17:46Very good.
17:47Now, Jacinda Ardern brings us a truly extraordinary documentary about her time in office.
17:58It's filmed over seven years.
18:00It's called Prime Minister and it's out in cinemas today.
18:03And before we talk about it, here's just a taste of the trailer.
18:07I think I have natural levels of anxiety for someone who's 37 years old and who's also
18:13pregnant.
18:14Every time I got on a plane, I would look out a window and I would think, from that mountain
18:19to that river, that is my responsibility.
18:22Oh, this is normal.
18:23I have three years to do as much as we can.
18:28But in the back of my mind, I thought, how am I going to do this with a baby?
18:33I just feel sorry for myself listening to that because I just have no idea what's coming.
18:38Absolutely no idea.
18:40There were two groups on the island.
18:42Those who were evacuated and those close to the eruption.
18:45We only have six cases at the moment.
18:48This can only be described as a terrorist attack.
18:52Crises make governments and they break governments.
18:55If things went wrong, it was my job to fix it.
18:58Wow.
19:03It obviously turned into this amazing story.
19:08But as you said there, you know, you didn't know what was coming.
19:11So when you started filming this at the beginning, all those years ago, what did you think the
19:15film was going to be?
19:17Not this.
19:18That's for sure.
19:19My now husband is a broadcaster.
19:23And so when he was in close proximity to all of these things suddenly happening,
19:28he thought, well, I should capture this.
19:31And I think only he could have, you know, helped create what it now is because
19:37I would never have otherwise let someone film me as consistently in my pyjamas.
19:44Or my bathrobe.
19:45Or at home and behind the scenes.
19:47And it's created, I hope, you know, a story that shows what it's like to lead.
19:53And I hope also a story that says that you can lead differently than perhaps the way we see in the world today.
19:59Yeah.
20:00I mean, there are times when you're quite tetchy.
20:03There are times when you wish Clark would stop.
20:05You make that sound like that doesn't happen often.
20:08It's the bulk of the footage.
20:10Yeah.
20:11And that's because we never had any intention about what would happen with the footage.
20:14You know, I was doing in New Zealand, we have this great project where archivists call politicians and interview them.
20:21And they've been doing it for decades.
20:23So I was recording these interviews.
20:25And that was another reason he thought, well, I'll put some footage in as well.
20:28But without a clear idea of what would happen with it.
20:31And I think that was positive, too, because otherwise I would, I don't think I would have been as open otherwise.
20:37And so, obviously, the thing that kind of brought you to global attention was your response to COVID, where you shut the borders, the quarantine, you got it down to zero cases.
20:45Yeah.
20:46And initially, obviously, incredibly popular in New Zealand, you had this landslide election victory.
20:50Yes.
20:51Yeah, we did.
20:522020, it was almost, the election then was almost like a, like an election in the middle of a war of sorts.
20:58It's how it felt in some ways.
21:00And so it was an unprecedented victory, but it never felt like victory.
21:05I kind of thought, okay, people want us to keep going.
21:08And so we did, but it got harder.
21:10Yeah.
21:11I mean, we were certainly aware of what New Zealand was doing here.
21:13In America, were they aware of?
21:15Very much so.
21:16You know, people were lucky enough, I think, everybody wanted to go there.
21:20You know, that was the place everybody wanted to be.
21:23And yeah, I mean, certainly we were jealous.
21:25Anytime, you know, you saw a ticker that there was a country with zero cases, that seemed like a job well done.
21:30Yeah.
21:31You know, the New Zealand, Immigration New Zealand website after a couple of particular elections in the US has crashed.
21:37Yeah.
21:38I would imagine.
21:39Yeah.
21:40People looking into it.
21:41Everybody was like, are they doing, can I be an extra?
21:43Are you still looking for a hobbit?
21:44That's it.
21:45Yeah.
21:46So it began, it began very well.
21:48And people in New Zealand were happy with what you were doing.
21:51And then as time went on, cracks began to appear.
21:54We've got a second clip from the documentary.
21:56I just don't understand how anyone could assume that I'm so cavalier about having a whole city and over a million people in lockdown.
22:07Of course, I think about it all the time.
22:10I have to take sleeping pills so I don't think about it all the time.
22:13My question is to the Prime Minister.
22:22Does she accept estimates that New Zealand's economy will shrink by 10% this year, while Australia's will fall by less than five?
22:33Mr Speaker, as I've said, I've heard a range of...
22:36She doesn't.
22:38I'm sorry.
22:39Why something?
22:40Order, order.
22:41Tory Bridges, yelled across the house, she doesn't do the economy.
22:46I wanted to punch him in the face.
22:50And the...
22:51I mean, the answer might be obvious, but why was that comment so annoying?
23:02You know, because at that time, of course, we were focused on both and our view was that, you know, a response on Covid that focused on keeping people alive
23:10also the best response for the economy as well I should add I'm not a violent
23:14person and and we did get through and so many of the things that they predicted
23:21may happen we managed to prevent it was hard but I still feel proud of it and
23:25negative voices began to get louder and there is still this very kind of
23:29vociferous group in New Zealand who feel very strongly about you what went wrong
23:34what what what was the tipping point I think you know one thing yet again of
23:39course we will take responsibility for our own time and in politics and in
23:43office and I so I say this this next thing not to diminish that but I think we
23:48have seen politics globally shift gears and I think we have seen politics you
23:56know carry a lot more grievance from individuals and it's and it's in some
23:59ways become more violent and aggressive so you know I don't think it was just any
24:03one leader that it's experienced that shift it has shifted and yet and amongst
24:08all of that I do think we're in a moment in time and I think in response to
24:13that moment in time my pleas for people to not give up on an expectation that
24:18politics can be better expect decency in politics expect empathy and kindness in
24:23your politics and I do think that will return to that as well I hope that
24:27bitterness never comes to the state
24:32and I'm just in the are you worried that this documentary anyone watching will think
24:39dear God I'm never going into politics I do get asked the question would you ever
24:44recommend it to a young person absolutely I would and you know look the the
24:49documentary captures the big moments yeah but there was so much joy in between so
24:54much joy what other job if you're you know if you're a do-gooder like I can be
25:02sometimes where you see a problem in the world and you've got the power to do
25:04something about it what other job do you get that gift so I would absolutely
25:09recommend politics to good people and we need more good people in there so and
25:16will you go shy away are you going to go back into politics no I was well when I
25:36went into Parliament I was 28 yeah so I feel like I did I did my all right all right
25:41now it's for the next generation it is a fascinating watch it really really is
25:47Cindy's documentary Prime Minister is in cinemas now okay
25:52the award-winning host of Late Night with Seth Meyers you can see it here in the UK on
26:03weekends on CNBC so based on that you don't watch it
26:10I was thinking he sounds like a children's channel thanks for the support Graham it's also available on YouTube yeah yeah that's easier yeah well if you go to America you can be on it yeah yeah yeah perfect worked out for you yeah yeah it's a celebrity talk show it is it is like this but once a year Seth Meyers you break your booking policy oh yes
26:40yes I have my uh well once a year on Thanksgiving it's very hard to book obviously on Thanksgiving and so when I started my show I started with my parents and my brother are on every year and uh it's very lovely but then this year we we went a little bit further and I had my children on the show who are young they're nine seven and four
26:58wow and uh I did not tell them they were going to be on the show uh I gave them no warning because I thought they would get stressed they were actually in the building to take their Christmas card photo and I just sort of low-key said let's just have three microphones ready
27:10and we pre-taped it a week early um but after our first guest uh that night was Cynthia Erivo and the kids had finished their photo and I go just come out daddy's gonna ask you some questions
27:20and uh it was six minutes it's the most white knuckle interview I've ever done
27:25uh here's Seth and the Meyer children yeah well how did you guys uh did you get here by uh in a car or a subway Axel
27:34car gotcha what about you took the subway we came at different times you came at different times
27:41Addy did you like the subway yeah the subway um smelled like diarrhea
27:47so cute yeah you see children bring the joy
27:59children bring the joy my oldest was the one who was the most I think um had the most anxiety about
28:05doing it and as we walked off he just like took my arm he goes that was great should we should do it
28:09again soon very much and they just like got the bug is that the son who thinks he's going to inherit
28:15yeah my son said to me once he goes dad I have a question I said what's your question he said when
28:19you die do I get your show and I'm like based on the diarrhea answer your sister gets the show
28:27and I said before the talk show in America you were very famous because of of course Saturday Night Live
28:33yeah um there there you are I think we get up there my friend Amy Collar Amy Collar Kate was on when I was
28:39uh on the show oh my god I was can I just say when I was on it was absolutely terrifying I think it's
28:43terrifying for everybody am I allowed to quickly tell the story yeah even though this is totally
28:47unplanned no go when I was on it was the week after Ashley Simpson was done for lip-syncing yeah
28:53right I'm then on with Eminem okay I was doing publicity for a film called Finding Neverland at
28:59the time and Johnny Depp and I had to miss the Wednesday rehearsal because we had to go to Chicago
29:04and talk to Oprah and I'm thinking oh my god what's the opening monologue going to be I get to Wednesday
29:08night come back from the Oprah thing still they're like well we're just you know trying to figure it
29:13out I'm like just please tell me it's you know it's a couple of days away just what you're gonna
29:18have me do the next day I go in and they're like can you sing and I said a little you know ish kind
29:24of do you dance I'm like I mean yeah like do you tap dance I'm like yeah yeah I do it perfect I'm like
29:30so what what's the opening model of it we'll get back to you I'm like oh my god this is absolutely
29:36terrible they gave me 24 hours to learn nothing's impossible I have found for when I'm tap dancing
29:43and singing fully live the week after the whole Ashley Simpson thing and also I have to say
29:48something else and this is a story I've never never told Eminem asked me to shave his bottom
29:53and I said I'm sorry I don't I don't do personal grooming like what I'm not going to go with a
30:09bit can get your crackler honestly that's my never told that story before ever in my life in public
30:16yes when she said no I did say yes I was early in the show I would do anything was that tip is that
30:35typical that hosts get stuff really late yes it speaks to the legacy of the show that people keep
30:40sort of opting into the the terrifying week that it is but I think if you what you know if we didn't
30:45have kind of a little bit of fear I think like even you like we wouldn't we wouldn't do any of this
30:49because I think the fear motivates you why are you looking at me like that we used to say like
31:07whenever a host wasn't nervous we knew the show was about to be a disaster hello we want
31:12I was married I was married to Sam Mendes at the time Joe's dad and I said to him please don't
31:20please don't come just we just just don't it's really fine I don't need you to come he's like
31:25no okay fine he bloody well came I walked through the doors at the back and I go like this and all
31:31I see is Sam sat there going oh my god it was really horrifying actually your connection with
31:42uh SNL continues could you do a podcast yes uh the yeah yes with Andy Samberg uh Kate's co-star in Lee
31:49oh yes could you yes Andy yeah he's wonderful he was in Lee with you yes he was indeed he's a great
31:56Andy Samberg is he your friend he's one of my oldest dearest friends yeah but what's the thing and I
32:01don't want to make you sad but yeah I know your your dog died yeah my dog 14 years old frisbee yeah
32:07and Andy Samberg he hated that yeah so he hated my dog and he met my dog when she was a puppy and
32:17he said on the day he met her she's a ugly rat dog and then every single time he came on my show he
32:22basically would just say how's frisbee that piece of shit he would love to say that yeah no he's a bad
32:29guy but um he he basically doubled down and doubled down I mean having your kids on I guess yeah
32:36but I will be honest the dog was not as as uh electric as the kids
32:43but it was like Andy leaned into the not even looking at you no
32:49yeah no frisbee wasn't a good desk but he really just doubled down on the comedy of hating my dog
32:57and then uh I kept saying like you know this dog is 13 years old and are you do you think you can
33:02weather the storm of hating a dog that recently passed and he goes I'm gonna ride it out and then
33:07I will say when frisbee passed away I called up Andy and I'm like well that awkward day has come
33:12and he's like I'm really sorry how are your kids I'm like everybody's okay he's like okay I'm I am
33:16gonna still publicly say she was a rat dog and the New York Times it was the I mean I have it framed
33:23because the New York Times wrote an article that said Seth Meyers dog and Andy Samberg's nemesis
33:27passes away and I'm like I cannot believe the most famous thing about my dog is that you hated her
33:34because Alan you've got a new dog yes yes I got a rescue dog and uh she's completely deaf
33:41and um she was meant to be a guard dog and of course she's dumped and she's deaf so they gave
33:46me a lead which says I am deaf on it so I'm walking around the park and people are going what's her breed
33:52and I know the dog is deaf and I start mouthing the dog and she's got like a bright collar because she's got no recall she's got bells it's like taking a UFO for a walk
34:11she's glowing all around I don't know how I would react differently knowing a dog is deaf as a person just walking past you in a park
34:19like that that's death for cheese for dogs okay what that's what the woman said cheese
34:27what that's death that woman said that's death the deaf dog cheese okay
34:31that's death for dog yeah that's all they say to your dog is cheese she won't is that to send her out to the store
34:41also it seems like if the dog wants cheese they would need to sign it to you
34:45look it's a new dog don't give me stress
34:52i like that's the one word
34:55i give you cheese you can work out the rest yourself there you go be fine
35:00seth it is so great to have you on the couch thank you i'm so happy to be here don't forget you can
35:04watch late night with seth myers weekends on cnbc oh wow you know i'm on it i'm on it now you know yeah
35:16meanwhile alan carr is back on the road for his new tour it's called have i said too much but we should
35:23say tickets are on sale i think today yes but it'll be a while before they can go yes 2027
35:31i'm a slow writer i'm a slow writer do you know what i was going to call the show national traitor
35:41but you know i've got to stop milking it i've got to let it go and i i think if i die i'll be like
35:48oh look there's that bloke who wore that cloak that's what they're going to say
35:52so you know better than being andy sandberg's nemesis
35:55yeah now you last tour to go all over the world did you end up in new zealand yes new zealand austria
36:03now what's that hotel in new zealand which you can bungee jump off the top oh that's in
36:11auckland was it the sky tower yes they can bungee jump off the top of the hotel
36:17i'm there unpacking i'm seeing people screaming
36:26how shit is this hotel my god i wanted a double bed
36:34so yeah i mean i i always stay there maybe the sky yes yes yeah so i always go everywhere and um
36:41yeah i love it i love it there's no theme there's a little bit about me being single but traitor stuff
36:47and stuff i'd ever have themes i just when my notebook is full of jokes i just go on tour just every
36:52three years i love it i just love the freedom of it all yeah and i obviously people will want you to
36:57talk about uh celebrity traitors and were you no offense but were you as surprised as everyone else
37:04when you won when i laughed in their face i'm a faithful i really thought when i go around that table
37:15they're all just gonna say alan alan alan yes they didn't are they stupid are they so stupid and then
37:23then i started crying because it was lit nick muhammad's face he was like we got this we got this and i'm
37:29no i've got this have any of you seen this i've not seen this season no no i saw the eight
37:38minutes sizzle reel me too and i saw celia and refart oh my god i was changed to her i couldn't move
37:49and we have to talk about paloma because she did not find it funny no no uh has she got over
37:56it she had and i saw her yesterday we did some silly sketches and stuff like that but you know
38:01like i said to her i said it's a game it's called the traitors it's like going on like you know
38:06what's it called naked attraction and saying what i've got to take my knickers off
38:12we've got a picture of you and paloma last night oh wow oh oh my god i think i know who you're being
38:18that's just smiling it's claudia winkleman great yeah you know what i had a feeling
38:35i've got a question how do they as a tv show how do they inform you that it's going to be you before
38:41the show how does that all how you sit there okay i'll show you yeah go on oh my god you're
38:48blindfolded this is claudia yeah blindfolded she's so light on her feet yes like a cart horse
38:57yeah ah that's what happened yes did you not nearly have a heart attack well you clearly
39:04haven't seen it i went i nearly chewed from my lip with panic you never really have a really cheap
39:14white wine and do you really not know before that moment at all no no and you don't know who it is
39:22and then you go into the turret and you go and there was jonathan ross there and cat and then i
39:27watched about i didn't realize how loud i was because i'd done my first murder and i said to jonathan
39:33i've done it do you feel as though loud i am inside voice i think we need a new hitman
39:47and it's going to be loads for you to talk about in your new show uh so get writing it a reminder
39:52tickets for alan's uh upcoming tour of i said too much are on sale now hey it is time for music and
39:58this mercury prize nominated singer songwriter also murdered her way to the final of celebrity
40:03traders uh here performing there's just something about her it is kat burns
40:18let me tell you about a girl i don't really do this but i can't keep it to myself
40:25she turns every head in the room oh god she's something else i lose all my composure this ain't nothing but i felt
40:33i need some help i need some help cause i'm not sure how you do it in my thoughts intrusive
40:45it's like she's magic there's just something about her
40:59i just found it there's something about her and i wonder if she knows it cause i lose all ability to talk
41:07it's like she's magic there's just something about her
41:12something about her i just don't understand you're so perfectly made it's like god she had a plan
41:23have i missed my chance with you you must be in demand i'm trying to keep it cool but i do anything i can
41:30i can't i must sound like a fan because i'm not sure how you do it in my thoughts
41:41intrusive living when freeing my mind there's just something about her
41:51i can't put my finger on it i can't put my finger on it but every time she looks to me can't help it
41:57i just found it there's something about her and i wonder if she knows it cause i lose all ability to
42:04talk it's like she's magic there's just something about her
42:10something about her
42:24you do something to me i lose it like a groupie you do something to me i'm never like this usually you do
42:33something to do something to do something to me
42:41i can't put my finger on it but every time she looks at me can't help it i just panic there's
42:48something about her and i wonder if she knows it cause i lose all ability to talk it's like she's magic
42:56there's something about her
43:04and i wonder if she knows it because she's magic there is
43:05that's just something about her
43:10you do something to me
43:12oh yeah there's something about her
43:16There's something about us.
43:23Oh!
43:25Pat Burns, everybody, and her band.
43:29Beautiful job.
43:30Come on over to you, Pat.
43:33Thank you so much.
43:35Just gorgeous.
43:37Thank you very much.
43:37You know, Alan, that's Seth, Jacinda, Kate, this is Pat.
43:43Hello.
43:43Oh, very carefully.
43:48Congratulations.
43:49That sounded so good live.
43:51Thank you very much.
43:52That is the single, There's Just Something About Her,
43:55and that's from a new album, How To Be Human.
43:57Yes.
43:57Which is out now, right?
43:59Yeah.
43:59Yeah, yeah, yeah.
44:00And you talked about this album and say, oh, it is about heartbreak,
44:04but you didn't want it to be a sad album.
44:06No, I mean, the album's about grief and heartbreak.
44:09I lost my granddad last spring,
44:11and I think I wanted to showcase the first year
44:15of what grief can look like.
44:17And I remember watching a video of Andrew Garfield
44:20and he said that grief is just love with no home
44:23and I just thought that was really beautiful
44:25and I was like, I need to make a project based on that.
44:29And then that's how it came to be.
44:30So it's sad, but it's also hopeful at the same time.
44:33I saw that, Andrew Garfield.
44:34It was on, that was on Stephen Colbert, wasn't it?
44:36Yeah.
44:37In America, on the American talk show.
44:38Yeah.
44:39So here you are together, Kat and Alan.
44:42And now, I feel bad, I feel bad talking about celebrity videos again.
44:47I feel like I'm torturing you three.
44:50You're kind of like, oh, dear God.
44:51Alan did say, please don't bring it up again.
44:54Maybe just one more time.
44:59A cloak behind the sofa.
45:00So at that moment, when you both voted for Jonathan to be banished,
45:08had you talked about that beforehand, the two of you?
45:11Well, I think I was running with the big dog theory,
45:15so I was like, if I don't...
45:16The fucking big dog theory, Jesus.
45:19Once Stephen was gone, I was like to Jonathan,
45:22I'm going to have to do you, and he was like, I know.
45:24So it was, I got to say,
45:26but I think it was probably a shock that you did it.
45:28I didn't know what I was doing.
45:32I didn't know.
45:33I was just pleased I got the name spelt right.
45:36I mean, really.
45:37It was such a bad advertisement for strategy.
45:40And they were sitting there going,
45:42these traitors are so clever, you know, the way...
45:44We were just like...
45:45We didn't know what was going on.
45:47We didn't know what was going on, but yeah.
45:50Kat, you're going on tour.
45:51I am in April.
45:52Wow, so soon, unlike your friend.
45:55You can buy tickets and remember you've got them.
46:02Next spring?
46:03Yeah.
46:03And some of the tickets are gone or about to be...
46:06Almost, so get your tickets now.
46:08Yes.
46:09Kat, good luck with the tour.
46:11Thank you very much for being here.
46:12Thanks for that great performance.
46:13Thank you for being here.
46:13Kat Burns, everybody.
46:15CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
46:17And that is it for tonight.
46:20No time for red chairs, I'm afraid.
46:22So please talk to the rest of my guests, Alan Carr.
46:24CHEERING
46:25Seth Meyers.
46:27CHEERING
46:28Jacinda Ardern.
46:30CHEERING
46:31And Kate Winslet.
46:34CHEERING
46:35Join me next week with music guest Jade,
46:40fashion guru Edward Ennenville,
46:42comedy genius Rowan Atkinson,
46:44double Oscar winner Emma Thompson,
46:45and Hollywood superstar Timothee Chalamet.
46:48I'll see you then.
46:48Good night, everybody.
46:49Bye-bye.
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