The Graham Norton Show - Season 33 Episode 10- Kate Winslet, Jacinda Ardern, Alan Carr, Seth Meyers, Cat Burns
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00:00As well as starring in a poignant Christmas drama, Goodbye June.
00:03It is a very warm welcome back to Kate Winslet!
00:23Kate, hello everybody.
00:25Hi.
00:26Hi.
00:27What is unlike you, Kate?
00:29Well, I normally come a bit businessy and play it safe and I thought, you know what, it's Graham, I'm 50, I look amazing, go for it!
00:36Yeah!
00:41Is there a lot of talcum powder involved in this?
00:43Actually, no, slightly wishing there was.
00:45OK.
00:46To be honest.
00:47Yeah, getting it off, you'll definitely wish there had been.
00:49I think so.
00:51So, welcome back to Kate, welcome back to Alan.
00:53Thank you.
00:54And for the first time, Seth and Jacinda, love to see you both.
00:57That's right.
00:58Very good.
00:59You fulfilled your promise to me when you were a guest on my show.
01:01Somebody said I'd said that to you.
01:02Did I really say you?
01:03Oh my God, you can't even remember the promise.
01:05No.
01:06No.
01:07You know, after you left the room, everybody said, he won't remember a word he said to you.
01:11That's true.
01:12Yeah.
01:13Well, no, I'm glad I didn't break my promise.
01:14Yeah.
01:15Obviously, I promised you'd be a guest on my show, because I was a guest on your show.
01:17Yeah, and here we are.
01:18Here you are.
01:19I'm thrilled.
01:20I'm thrilled to be here.
01:21Well, no, we're delighted you're here.
01:22And Jacinda, gorgeous to see you.
01:23Well, do you know what?
01:24It's just lovely to have a New Zealander on the sofa rather than on the red chair telling
01:29a vile story.
01:30I will admit that when your producer called, I did clarify which seat I would be in.
01:37Yeah.
01:38It feels like it's part of national service in New Zealand.
01:40You must go abroad and tell a story about shitting yourself.
01:42When you leave, we check your passport.
01:44We check that you've got a good set of yarns.
01:47But it's something about New Zealanders.
01:49They do tell a good yarn.
01:51They really do.
01:52And, you know, they're shameless as well.
01:55There's that.
01:57And Kate, there's a kind of New Zealand connection because you started your film career in New Zealand.
02:02Yes, I did.
02:03I did.
02:04The first film I ever did when I was 17 years old was filmed in New Zealand, directed by
02:08Peter Jackson.
02:09We were just backstage saying we're going to end up talking about Peter Jackson.
02:12Well, we are because before politics came a call in, you tried to work with Peter Jackson
02:17in New Zealand.
02:18I guess technically I did.
02:19I auditioned for...
02:20Did you actually?
02:21I did.
02:22Brilliant!
02:23I did.
02:24Half of New Zealand auditioned just to be, just to be, and half of New Zealand's dad,
02:29except for me.
02:30I did.
02:31What was it though?
02:32Too tall?
02:33What was the problem?
02:34That's what I told myself.
02:35I auditioned to be an extra, um, as a hobbit.
02:38Oh.
02:39Because I lived, I grew up quite close to Hobbiton where they did all the filming.
02:45It's not a real place.
02:46It is.
02:47You didn't just believe it exists.
02:48I also believe it exists.
02:49Well, you're wrong.
02:50I know.
02:51I think it would have been fun if there was just one tall hobbit in the background.
02:56Well, I, as I recall, they had a five foot seven, little, you know, ruler against the
03:04doorway.
03:05And as I walked in, I just...
03:06Yeah.
03:07Pulling down.
03:08A little bit of limbo.
03:09I did a little limbo and then I got as far as the forms.
03:12And I do remember they asked, uh, can you ride a horse bareback?
03:17And can you joust?
03:19Oh.
03:20And I could ride bareback because New Zealand.
03:23Um, but the jousting I fell shy on.
03:25I don't remember any jousting in that film.
03:27There wasn't.
03:28Um.
03:29Obviously, nobody, everyone went, no.
03:32They needed at least two.
03:35Yeah.
03:36Now, Alan, I have to say, huge congratulations on celebrity traitors.
03:40Oh.
03:41I mean, it was amazing.
03:42APPLAUSE
03:43There you are.
03:44Woo!
03:45I love that picture.
03:46I love it.
03:47I did some extra filming for it and they went, oh, Alan, do the face.
03:53When I put the...
03:54Dude, that's my face.
03:55That's not a face.
03:56Do the face.
03:57And I knew because I watched the first episode and my phone was pinging and like, you know,
04:03when you're in the middle aisle at Lidl, when you're going to Gregg's for the last sausage
04:08roll.
04:09I was being...
04:10Yeah, manipulated.
04:11And I was saying to you, it's that thing, you know, you're on television a lot.
04:15Mm.
04:16And so you kind of think, I am known.
04:18But then being the star of the biggest show, the most talked about show, it must feel different.
04:25Yeah, I mean, people go, oh, Alan, isn't he funny?
04:27I've been on telly for 25 years.
04:29LAUGHTER
04:30I must have been awful.
04:31LAUGHTER
04:32But you know the funny thing, they never kept it in.
04:35And I just felt really proud, just like outwitting all these clever people.
04:40And Stephen Fry was at the round table and he went, you...
04:43Who can the traitors be?
04:45Now, remember the Cambridge spies.
04:47They were flamboyant, they were camp, they were out there.
04:50But no one spotted them.
04:51And I was obviously going, mmm, I know.
04:53LAUGHTER
04:58And are you, are you tired of it yet?
05:00Or are you still...
05:01Sick of it.
05:02LAUGHTER
05:03Well, you say sick of it.
05:04Oh, I know what you're saying.
05:05Well, yeah, we've got a clip of you out and about in Soho.
05:08Oh, please don't talk to me about celebrity traitors.
05:10Oh, no!
05:11LAUGHTER
05:13LAUGHTER
05:15And when it pulls back, we'll see, he's even got the lamp.
05:17LAUGHTER
05:19LAUGHTER
05:22APPLAUSE
05:24Listen, we've got lots to talk about tonight.
05:28Let's get started with Kate Winslet's new movie.
05:30It is called Goodbye June.
05:32And it's in select UK cinemas from the 12th of December
05:35and on Netflix from Christmas Eve.
05:38And this is a proper Winslet production.
05:41You star and you direct.
05:43But I think the most fascinating thing is that your son...
05:46Yes.
05:47..wrote this.
05:48..what strikes me is it's not a story you imagine
05:51a 19-year-old guy would want to write.
05:54No.
05:55So my wonderful son, Joe, when he was 19 years old,
05:59he applied to a screenwriting course
06:01at the National Film and Television School.
06:03Look, there he is. He's so sweet.
06:04And he has always been very passionate
06:06and really good at writing,
06:09and it's been a big part of his creativity.
06:11But that didn't necessarily mean
06:12that he was going to be able to write a screenplay.
06:14Yeah.
06:15So he did this six-month intensive course,
06:17and he was encouraged by a fantastic tutor
06:20to just write from the heart.
06:23And the most significant thing that had happened in his life
06:25was the loss of his grandmother when he was 13, my mum.
06:28And he was just so struck and moved
06:31by how we all came together for her
06:34and because we all came from this one woman.
06:37And so he used that just as a loose inspirational backdrop
06:41and created a fictional story about a messy, complex,
06:45fictional family set at Christmas time.
06:48And so it's really a story about how a family do come together
06:52against sort of all odds in many ways
06:55because there are lots of family dynamics at play
06:58that are quite challenging.
07:00And they have to make it OK so they can make it good
07:04for this woman to leave them all behind,
07:06knowing that they're all going to be all right.
07:08And it was just an extraordinary experience.
07:11And he'd written this script and he handed it to me
07:12and he was like,
07:13oh, you know, I've written this thing
07:14and it's probably not very good.
07:17Maybe you'll just read it.
07:19And then lie if you think it's crap, you know.
07:21And I read it and it was very much not crap.
07:24And I said, well, you've written a film
07:27and we're going to make it.
07:29and he's like, no, mum, don't do...
07:31No.
07:32Don't do...
07:33Don't do that mum thing.
07:35And I said, no, this is what we're going to do.
07:38He worked on it some more
07:39and Netflix showed some interest
07:41and we're like, oh, my God, it's real.
07:43And I suddenly realised I couldn't let it go.
07:45And so here I am, 50 years old,
07:47and I'm now a female director.
07:49And I'm very proud.
07:50Well done, you. Very good.
07:51APPLAUSE
07:53Well, the clip we have is you breaking the news
07:58about your mother's illness to one of your sisters,
08:01played by Toni Collette.
08:02Toni Collette, yeah.
08:03Hi.
08:04I'm actually teaching my holistic dance therapy.
08:06So I can't really chit-chat, but how are you?
08:08Helen, listen to me.
08:09Oh, my gosh, Julia.
08:10This is so incredible for grief.
08:12There's this one man whose wife died
08:14because she slipped on an Ikea catalogue
08:17and fell down the stairs.
08:18I mean, how tragic is that?
08:20She was naked.
08:21Helen, listen, please. Stop.
08:22Stop, stop. Just listen.
08:24Mum's... Mum's gone back into hospital.
08:26What?
08:27Um, Connor just called me.
08:28Oh, my God.
08:29She couldn't breathe,
08:30and they're just trying to figure out what's going on.
08:32I'm just heading out of the house now.
08:33Just leaving.
08:34Oh, my God.
08:35Um, okay, okay.
08:36Um... Okay.
08:37Oh, God, breathe.
08:38She's at the Princess Mary,
08:39but I do actually think you should come if you can.
08:41I think... If you can.
08:42I'll just come straight there.
08:43I'll just... I'll get a plane today,
08:44and I'll bring some, um, Florida water
08:46and say she'll clear out Mum's room
08:48and some crystals for healing,
08:49and I'll pick up some orange squash for her
08:51because I know she's not sure.
08:52Great. Bring some orange.
08:53Loves it.
08:54Bring some orange squash.
08:55Definitely, yeah.
08:56Okay, great.
08:57Listen, you just let me know what time you get in.
08:58Text me.
08:59I can't believe it, so...
09:00I mean, can you tell me...
09:01Bye, bye, bye, bye.
09:02Fuck me.
09:03APPLAUSE
09:04I mean, I'm happy to tell you to go out there.
09:09You mentioned some of the other people in.
09:10Andrew Risberg, Johnny Flynn, Timothy Spall.
09:12Timothy Spall, yes.
09:13Dame Helen Mirren, I hear she had some reservations
09:17or some doubts.
09:18So, it all went through proper channels and agents,
09:20and I spoke to her on the phone,
09:21and I told her the story,
09:22and I said it was written by my wonderful son,
09:25and I was going to direct it,
09:26and she was listening and listening,
09:28and she said, darling, I do have to stop you,
09:30because, actually, I've got two personal rules.
09:33I will not play someone with dementia,
09:35and I won't play someone who has got cancer.
09:38And I said, OK, absolutely fine.
09:40Totally understand that, which I did.
09:42And I said, there's no need.
09:43I won't send you the script.
09:44She said, no, no, do send it.
09:45It does sound rather special.
09:47A week later, I get an email.
09:48She says, I'll break my rule.
09:50I'd love to support you.
09:51This is a wonderful, wonderful project.
09:54And we got Helen Mirren to be a novel.
09:56And she is, and she's great in the film.
09:58She really is amazing.
09:59She's wonderful, yeah.
10:00And I suppose, as a director,
10:01you know, if you're directing people like Dame Helen Mirren,
10:03you know, that must make your job kind of easier.
10:06But then, as you say, you...
10:07Did I shit myself, is what you're saying.
10:09In a ditch in New Zealand.
10:11There's a red chair waiting for you.
10:14Let's not get on to poo.
10:15You always get me on to poo on this show, Brent.
10:17Come on, back in the room.
10:18Back in the room.
10:19No, the grandchildren.
10:20There's a lot of very young grandchildren.
10:23Yes.
10:24I mean, directing them must be like sort of herding cats.
10:26Oh!
10:27Directing children is the greatest joy.
10:30There's this thing of never work with children and animals.
10:33Working with children is wonderful because children,
10:35children bring the joy.
10:37And I also have a theory about kids.
10:39Unless they are incredibly, incredibly gifted,
10:42actually you can't teach children to act,
10:44but you can just show them how to be by creating an environment
10:48that feels really safe, really playful and encouraging.
10:51They were encouraged not to learn their lines.
10:53They were encouraged to make lots and lots of juicy mistakes.
10:56And I would sometimes say to them things like,
10:58now you see that hospital bed over there?
11:00I've hidden something in that bed.
11:01And your job in this part of the story
11:03is to just find what I've hidden in there.
11:05Haven't hidden a thing.
11:06The children never knew that we were rolling cameras.
11:09And so they were completely natural all of the time.
11:11We would just use hand signals.
11:13And it was just amazing.
11:14And they loved it and they didn't want it to finish.
11:17And working with children, I mean, as you say,
11:19a lot of people say working with children is difficult.
11:21Jacinda, tell us when you discovered
11:25you were going to have a baby.
11:28The precise moment?
11:30The bathroom?
11:31Well...
11:32Well, in New Zealand, election night,
11:37it's not always clear whether or not you have been successful.
11:40So in 2017, I somewhat unexpectedly became leader of my party,
11:46campaigned hard and on election night,
11:49didn't know whether or not we'd managed to clinch government.
11:53So we went into a period of negotiations
11:55and they take about two weeks, typically.
11:57I was about three days shy of those talks concluding
12:01and finding out if I was the Prime Minister of New Zealand
12:05when I found out I was pregnant.
12:08Is that actually true?
12:09That's actually true.
12:10Oh, my God.
12:11You're even more amazing.
12:13I'm really glad you've gone there
12:15because you could say that's terrible planning.
12:17It was. It was.
12:20But women, we just get on with it, don't we?
12:22Come on.
12:23That's right.
12:24And it was just like that.
12:25You just had to take every day as it came
12:27because then three days later, live on the 6pm news,
12:30the minor party we were negotiating with declared that I would be the Prime Minister.
12:34And it was only me and my husband that knew that I'd do it while having a baby.
12:38So even when you were being sworn in.
12:39Oh, my God, she is amazing.
12:40You are so amazing.
12:41When you were being.
12:42Well, I could probably add, he wasn't actually my husband at the time either.
12:45Even more amazing.
12:46I misheard and I thought you said it wasn't even my husband.
12:55Funny story.
12:56So it was awkward.
12:57It was awkward.
12:58Hilarious.
12:59But you weren't able to tell people by the time you were being sworn in.
13:08No.
13:09No.
13:10And at that point, by the time I was being sworn in,
13:14and we had then a very official regal ceremony at Parliament to open up Parliament,
13:20and the Governor-General comes in and gives a speech from the throne.
13:23And for that moment, she faces all of Parliament,
13:27and then I sit next to her on this side facing out,
13:30the leader of the opposition here,
13:32the entire judiciary, leaders of the armed forces,
13:36very, very regal.
13:38And the entire time, I'm thinking,
13:41I'm absolutely going to throw up.
13:43And I'm clocking where my exits are.
13:46I even started thinking,
13:48would anyone believe I just had a bad kebab?
13:50But thankfully, thankfully I got through.
13:56And I got through 20 weeks without telling people.
14:00Wow.
14:01That's amazing.
14:02A lot of flowy blouses.
14:05Because Seth, your wife, it wasn't morning sickness,
14:09but your wedding day was nearly spoiled.
14:11Yeah, she had food poisoning.
14:12And we were at our rehearsal dinner,
14:16and then she felt terrible.
14:18and she said, I don't feel well.
14:20And I said, trust me, it's just wedding jitters.
14:23That thing when, like, a man with no experience
14:26just is very certain of what's happening.
14:29Having gone to zero days of medical school,
14:31I'm like, trust me, it's just wedding jitters.
14:33You're very nervous about marrying me.
14:34Yeah, yeah, yeah.
14:35And you have every right to be.
14:37No, but she's like, I think I have food poisoning.
14:39I'm like, I promise you, it's just jitters.
14:41It's wedding jitters.
14:42And then, you know, we did sleep in separate beds
14:44at different places the night before our wedding,
14:46as per tradition.
14:47And then in the morning, I called her.
14:49I'm like, so how are you doing?
14:50She's like, I am in the emergency room.
14:51I do have food poisoning.
14:54But it was the one thing that was so lovely
14:58is that we had, she really wanted to do a rehearsed first dance
15:01and we're both really terrible dancers.
15:03And we had, like, gone to a whole, like, dance class
15:06with a, you know, personal instructor.
15:08And even the instructor who started by saying,
15:10look, anyone can be a dancer as long as you're in love.
15:12And at the end of the first hour was like, hum.
15:16And I remember, like, the night of, you know,
15:21at the wedding, because she did Tough It Out
15:22and, you know, was on an IV and she rallied
15:24the way women do.
15:26And she goes, I just don't think we can do the first dance.
15:29And I remember being like, oh, thank God.
15:31Thank God you ate a bad oyster.
15:35Because, Alan, where were you?
15:37Was it Mexico?
15:38I got Montezuma's Revenge.
15:39Have you heard that?
15:40Yeah.
15:41Oh, my God, I had that.
15:42What did you do?
15:43What did you do to Montezuma?
15:44I know, I mean, listen, it was so bad.
15:46And this sounds like a made-up story, but it's true.
15:49Have you heard of Palenque, where all the Inca monuments are?
15:52I felt, oh, my God, I'm going to ship myself.
15:56And then I ran and got some water,
15:58and as I came out the bushes, there was a marathon there,
16:02and a woman ran past, took my bottle of water
16:04and tipped it over her head.
16:06She thought I was one of those people.
16:07Yeah.
16:10I was so dehydrated.
16:12And can I say, Hotel Capri in Acapulco,
16:15they refused to give me more toilet paper.
16:17Oh!
16:18Oh, that's not nice.
16:19No, Mr. Carr.
16:20No, Mr. Carr.
16:21No, Mr. Carr.
16:22No, please.
16:23Indeed.
16:24Do you remember that finger boy?
16:25Because it was...
16:26Do you remember the finger boys?
16:27The finger bus is coming.
16:28Oh, the venga boys.
16:29I think we're saying the finger boys.
16:30The finger boys.
16:31That is short of Montezuma's Revenge.
16:33You're the one.
16:34You're the one.
16:35Use this.
16:36I remember just laying next to the toilet,
16:39and it was coming out both ends,
16:40and I was just staring in.
16:41How could it get worse?
16:42And then this party boat came round.
16:43The finger boys are coming.
16:44Fuck you.
16:45I think, Kate, we must also remind everybody that we'll be seeing you soon in the third instalment of Avatar.
17:04Correct.
17:05Yes.
17:06This one's called Fire and Ash.
17:08I know.
17:09It doesn't look anything like me.
17:10Every time I see myself in Avatar, I'm like, oh, that is actually me.
17:13No.
17:14But they do make you go and do it.
17:15Yes.
17:16Yes.
17:17Absolutely.
17:18But you can tell it's me from my top lip, I think.
17:20And because they've kept my beauty mark, which is nice.
17:23I mean, it's not animation.
17:24It's proper motion capture.
17:26But this time, no holding breath underwater.
17:28No, there was quite a lot of that as well still.
17:30Oh, really?
17:31And there was a bit of underwater fighting in this one.
17:33But I can't really say anything.
17:35No.
17:36You're going to have to see it.
17:37Well, people can find out on the 19th of December.
17:40Avatar, Fire and Ash is on the 19th of December.
17:42And don't forget Kate's film Goodbye June.
17:44That is in cinemas from next Friday.
17:46Very good.
17:47Now, Jacinda Ardern brings us a truly extraordinary documentary about her time in office.
17:58It's filmed over seven years.
18:00It's called Prime Minister and it's out in cinemas today.
18:03And before we talk about it, here's just a taste of the trailer.
18:07I think I have natural levels of anxiety for someone who's 37 years old and who's also pregnant.
18:13Every time I got on a plane, I would look out a window and I would think from that mountain to that river, that is my responsibility.
18:21Oh, this is normal.
18:23I have three years to do as much as we can.
18:28But in the back of my mind, I thought, how am I going to do this with a baby?
18:33I just feel sorry for myself listening to that because I just have no idea what's coming.
18:38Absolutely no idea.
18:40There were two groups on the island.
18:42Those who were evacuated and those close to the eruption.
18:45We only have six cases at the moment.
18:47This can only be described as a terrorist attack.
18:52Crises make governments and they break governments.
18:55If things went wrong, it was my job to fix it.
18:58Wow.
19:05It obviously turned into this amazing story, but as you said there, you know, you didn't know what was coming.
19:10So when you started filming this at the beginning, all those years ago, what did you think the film was going to be?
19:16Not this.
19:18That's for sure.
19:19My now husband is a broadcaster.
19:23And so when he was in close proximity to all of these things suddenly happening, he thought, well, I should capture this.
19:31And I think only he could have, you know, helped create what it now is because I would never have otherwise let someone
19:39film me as consistently in my pyjamas or my bathrobe or at home and behind the scenes.
19:48And it's created, I hope, you know, a story that shows what it's like to lead.
19:54And I hope also a story that says that you can lead differently than perhaps the way we see in the world today.
20:00Yeah.
20:01I mean, I have to say there are times when you're quite tetchy.
20:03There are times when you wish Clark would stop.
20:05You make that sound like that doesn't happen often.
20:07It's the bulk of the footage.
20:10Yeah.
20:11And that's because we never had any intention about what would happen with the footage.
20:14You know, I was doing in New Zealand, we have this great project where archivists call politicians and interview them.
20:21And they've been doing it for decades.
20:23So I was recording these interviews.
20:25And that was another reason he thought, well, I'll put some footage in as well, but without a clear idea of what would happen with it.
20:30Yeah.
20:31And I think that was positive too, because otherwise I would, I don't think I would have been as open otherwise.
20:37Yeah.
20:38And so obviously the thing that kind of brought you to global attention was your response to COVID, where you shut the borders, the quarantine, you got it down to zero cases.
20:45Yeah.
20:46And initially, obviously incredibly popular in New Zealand.
20:48You had this landslide election victory.
20:50Yes.
20:51Yeah, we did 2020.
20:52It was almost the election then was almost like a, like an election in the middle of a, of a war of sorts.
20:58That's how it felt in some ways.
21:00And so it was an unprecedented, um, victory, but it never felt like victory.
21:05I kind of thought, okay, people want us to keep going.
21:08And so we did, but it got harder.
21:09Yeah.
21:10I mean, we were certainly aware of what New Zealand was doing here in America.
21:13Were they aware of?
21:14Very much so.
21:15I, you know, people were lucky enough.
21:17I think everybody wanted to go there, you know, that was the place everybody wanted to be.
21:23And, uh, yeah, I mean, certainly we were jealous anytime, you know, you saw a ticker that there was a country with zero cases.
21:29That seemed like a job well done.
21:31You know, the New Zealand immigration, New Zealand website after a couple of particular elections in the U.S. has crashed.
21:37I would imagine.
21:39Yeah.
21:40People looking into it.
21:41Everybody was like, are they doing, can I be an extra?
21:43Are you still looking for a hobbit?
21:44So it began, it began very well, and people in New Zealand were happy with what you were doing.
21:51And then as time went on, cracks began to appear.
21:54We've got a second clip from the documentary.
21:58I just don't understand how anyone could assume that I'm so cavalier about having a whole city and over a million people in lockdown.
22:07Of course I think about it all the time.
22:10I have to take sleeping pills so I don't think about it all the time.
22:13My question is to the Prime Minister, does she accept estimates that New Zealand's economy will shrink by 10% this year, while Australia's will fall by less than five?
22:32Mr. Speaker, as I've said, I've heard a range of...
22:37She doesn't.
22:38Sorry.
22:39Why something?
22:40Or, or...
22:41Simon Bridges yelled across the house, she doesn't do the economy.
22:44They wanted to punch him in the face.
22:49And the, I mean, the answer might be obvious, but why was that comment so annoying?
23:01You know, because at that time, of course, we were focused on both.
23:04And our view was that, you know, a response on Covid that focused on keeping people alive was also the best response for the economy as well.
23:12I should add, I'm not a violent person.
23:17And, and we did get through and so many of the things that they predicted may happen, we managed to prevent.
23:23Yeah.
23:24It was hard, but I still feel proud of that.
23:25And negative voices began to get louder and there is still this very kind of vociferous group in New Zealand who feel very strongly about you.
23:33What went wrong? What, what, what was the tipping point?
23:37I think, you know, one thing yet again, of course, we all take responsibility for our own time in, in politics and in, in office.
23:44And I, so I say this, this next thing not to, to diminish that, but I think we have seen politics globally shift gears.
23:52Uh, and I think we have, uh, seen politics, you know, carry a lot more grievance from individuals and it's, and it's in some ways become more violent and aggressive.
24:01So, you know, I don't think it was just any one leader that it's experienced that shift. It has shifted.
24:07Uh, and yet in amongst all of that, I do think we're in a moment in time.
24:11And I think in response to that moment in time, my pleas for people to not give up on an expectation that politics can be better.
24:19Uh, that expect decency in politics, expect empathy and kindness in your politics.
24:24And I do think that we'll return to that as well.
24:27I hope that bitterness never comes to the state.
24:29Yeah.
24:31Um, yeah.
24:32And, and Cassinda...
24:34Are you worried that this documentary, anyone watching it will think, dear God, I'm never going into politics?
24:42I do get asked the question, would you ever recommend it to a young person?
24:47Absolutely I would.
24:48And, you know, look, the, the documentary captures the big moments.
24:51Yeah.
24:52But there was so much joy in between. So much joy.
24:55Uh, what other job if you're, you know, if you're, um, a do-gooder, um, like I can be sometimes where you see a problem in the world and you've got the power to do something about it, what other job do you get that gift?
25:07So, I would absolutely recommend, uh, politics to, to good people and we need more good people in there.
25:15So.
25:16And will you go...
25:17Don't shy away.
25:18Are you going to go back into politics?
25:19No.
25:20No.
25:21No.
25:22I mean...
25:23It's a great job.
25:24Do as I say.
25:25Do as I say.
25:26No, no, no.
25:27Do as I say.
25:28To be fair, I did it for 15 years.
25:31Okay, fair enough.
25:32You started very young.
25:33Yeah, thank you.
25:34How young were you when you got into politics?
25:35I was, well, when I went into Parliament, I was 28.
25:38Wow.
25:39Yeah.
25:40So, I feel like I did, I did my shift.
25:41All right, all right.
25:42And now it's for the next generation.
25:44But listen, it is a fascinating watch, it really, really is.
25:48This cinema's documentary Prime Minister is in cinemas now.
25:51Okay.
25:52Right.
25:53We turn to Mr. Seth Meyers.
25:57Thank you.
25:58The award-winning host of Late Night with Seth Meyers.
26:02You can see it here in the UK on weekends on CNBC.
26:06So, based on that, you don't watch it.
26:09Well, I...
26:10CNBC.
26:11This can't be right.
26:12An artist.
26:13No.
26:14CNBC.
26:15I was thinking he sounds like a children's channel.
26:22Thanks for the support, Graham.
26:25It's also available on YouTube.
26:26Yeah, yeah.
26:27That's easier, yeah.
26:28Or if you go to America, you can be on it.
26:29Yeah, yeah, yeah.
26:30Perfect.
26:31It worked out for you.
26:32Yeah, yeah.
26:33It's a celebrity talk show.
26:34It is.
26:35It is a celebrity talk show like this.
26:36But once a year, Seth Meyers, you break your booking policy.
26:40Oh yes, I have my, well, once a year on Thanksgiving,
26:43it's very hard to book, obviously, on Thanksgiving.
26:46And so when I started my show,
26:47I started with my parents and my brother are on every year.
26:50And it's very lovely.
26:51But then this year we went a little bit further
26:54and I had my children on the show who were young.
26:56They're nine, seven and four.
26:58Wow.
26:59And I did not tell them they were going to be on the show.
27:02I gave them no warning
27:03because I thought they would get stressed.
27:04They were actually in the building to take their Christmas card photo.
27:07And I just sort of low-key said,
27:08let's just have three microphones ready.
27:11And we pre-taped it a week early.
27:13But after our first guest that night was Cynthia Erivo
27:16and the kids had finished their photo.
27:18And I go, just come out.
27:19Daddy's going to ask you some questions.
27:20And it was six minutes.
27:23It's the most white-knuckle interview I've ever done.
27:26From the bottom of the hook clip,
27:27here's Seth and the Meyer children.
27:30Yeah.
27:30Well, how did you guys,
27:31did you get here in a car or a subway, Axel?
27:34Car.
27:35Gotcha.
27:35Subway.
27:36You took the subway?
27:38We came at different times.
27:40You came at different times?
27:42Addie, did you like the subway?
27:43Yeah, the subway smelled like diarrhea.
27:47So cute.
27:55Yeah.
27:56You see, children bring the joy.
27:59That's not really good.
27:59Children bring the joy.
28:01My oldest was the one who was the most, I think,
28:03had the most anxiety about doing it.
28:05And as we walked off, he just like took my arm.
28:07He goes, that was great.
28:09We should do it again soon.
28:11Very much.
28:12And they just like, God, the bug.
28:13Is that the son who thinks he's going to inherit the show?
28:15Yeah, my son said to me once, he goes,
28:17Dad, I have a question.
28:18I said, what's your question?
28:19He said, when you die, do I get your show?
28:23And I'm like, based on the diarrhea answer,
28:26your sister gets the show.
28:28And I said, before the talk show,
28:30in America, you were very famous
28:31because of, of course, Saturday Night Live.
28:34Yeah.
28:34There you are.
28:35I think we get up here.
28:36Amy, my friend Amy Collin.
28:37Amy Collin.
28:38Kate was on when I was on the show.
28:40Oh, my God.
28:40Can I just say, when I was on,
28:41it was absolutely terrifying.
28:43I think it's terrifying for everybody.
28:44Am I allowed to quickly tell the story?
28:45Yeah.
28:46Even though this is totally unplanned?
28:47No, go.
28:48When I was on, it was the week after Ashley Simpson
28:51was done for lip syncing.
28:53Yes.
28:53Right?
28:54I'm then on with Eminem, OK?
28:56I was doing publicity for a film called
28:58Finding Neverland at the time,
28:59and Johnny Depp and I had to miss the Wednesday rehearsal
29:03because we had to go to Chicago and talk to Oprah.
29:05And I'm thinking, oh, my God,
29:06what's the opening monologue going to be?
29:07I get to Wednesday night, come back from the Oprah thing.
29:10Still, they're like, well, we're just, you know,
29:12trying to figure it out.
29:13I'm like, just please tell me.
29:15It's, you know, it's a couple of days away,
29:17just what you're going to have me do.
29:19The next day, I go in and they're like,
29:21can you sing?
29:22And I said, a little, you know, ish, kind of.
29:25Do you dance?
29:25I'm like, I mean, yeah.
29:27Like, do you tap dance?
29:28I'm like, yeah, yeah, I do it.
29:29They're like, perfect.
29:30I'm like, so what's the opening monologue?
29:32I'm like, we'll get back to you.
29:32I'm like, oh, my God.
29:34Now what's happened to me?
29:35This is absolutely terrible.
29:37They gave me 24 hours to learn.
29:39Nothing's impossible.
29:40I have found for when I'm tap dancing and singing fully live
29:45the week after the whole Ashley Simpson thing.
29:47And also, I have to say something else,
29:49and this is a story I've never, never told.
29:51Eminem asked me to shave his bottom.
29:55There's always a month.
29:57There's always like a poo bum theme for me
29:59when I come on this show.
29:59Was it with a hand-held razor?
30:01Well, he did.
30:02He said, would you shave my butt?
30:03And I said, I'm sorry, I don't do personal grooming.
30:06Like, what?
30:08I'm not going to go with a bick and get your crackler.
30:11I was like, honestly, that's my,
30:13never told that story before ever in my life in public.
30:16There you go.
30:18And can I say, should have said yes.
30:21Well, the door's open.
30:22Should have said yes.
30:23No, no, no, no.
30:24Once she said no, I did say yes.
30:27No, no, no, no.
30:30I was early in the show.
30:31I would do anything.
30:33Is that typical, that hosts get stuff really late?
30:37Yes.
30:38It speaks to the legacy of the show
30:39that people keep sort of opting into
30:41the terrifying week that it is.
30:43But I think if you were, you know,
30:44if we didn't have kind of a little bit of fear,
30:46I think, like, even you,
30:48like, we wouldn't do any of this
30:50because I think the fear motivates you.
30:51Why are you looking at me like that?
30:53I don't know what you're talking about.
30:54He looks terrifying.
30:56Look at the terror.
30:56Look at the terror in his eyes.
30:58I think you, you know, it motivates you.
31:01I lost fear in about 1997.
31:03We did have a...
31:05We used to say, like,
31:07whenever a host wasn't nervous,
31:09we knew the show was about to be a disaster.
31:11Hello.
31:11We wanted...
31:12Honestly...
31:14Exhibit A.
31:15I was married...
31:16I was married to Sam Mendes at the time,
31:18Joe's dad,
31:19and I said to him,
31:20please, please don't come.
31:21Just, just, just don't...
31:23It's really fine.
31:24I don't need you to come.
31:25He's like, no, okay, fine.
31:26He bloody well came.
31:27I walked through the doors at the back
31:29and I go, like this,
31:31and all I see is Sam sat there going...
31:33LAUGHTER
31:34I'm about to tap dance and sing.
31:38Oh, my God, it was really horrifying, actually.
31:40It was horrifying.
31:41And your connection with SNL Continues,
31:43because you do a podcast.
31:44Yes.
31:46Yes, with Andy Samberg,
31:48Kate's co-star in Lee.
31:49Oh, yes, because you...
31:51Good old Andy.
31:51Yeah, he's wonderful.
31:52He was in Lee with you, yeah.
31:54Yes, he was indeed.
31:55He's a great guy.
31:56Andy Samberg, is he your friend?
31:58He's one of my oldest, dearest friends, yeah.
32:00But what's the thing...
32:01And I don't want to make you sad,
32:03but I know your dog died.
32:05Yeah, my dog, 14 years old, frisbee.
32:07Yeah.
32:07And Andy Samberg, he hated that dog.
32:10Yeah, so...
32:11LAUGHTER
32:13He hated my dog,
32:14and he met my dog when she was a puppy,
32:16and he said on the day he met her,
32:18she's an ugly rat dog.
32:19LAUGHTER
32:20And then every single time he came on my show,
32:22he basically would just say,
32:24how's frisbee, that piece of shit?
32:26No.
32:27He would love to say that.
32:28Yeah, no, right?
32:28He's a bad guy,
32:29but he basically doubled down and doubled down.
32:33I mean, having your kids on, I guess, yeah.
32:36But...
32:37LAUGHTER
32:37The dog, I will be honest,
32:40the dog was not as electric as the kids.
32:43But it was like, Andy leaned into the...
32:48It's not even looking at you!
32:49No.
32:50LAUGHTER
32:50Yeah, no, frisbee wasn't a good desk.
32:54But he really just doubled down on the comedy of hating my dog.
32:57And then I kept saying, like, you know,
32:59this dog is 13 years old,
33:01and do you think you can weather the storm
33:03of hating a dog that recently passed?
33:05And he goes, I'm going to ride it out.
33:07And then I will say, when frisbee passed away,
33:09I called up Andy, and I'm like,
33:11well, that awkward day has come.
33:12And he's like, I'm really sorry, how are your kids?
33:14I'm like, everybody's OK.
33:15He's like, OK, I am going to still publicly say
33:18she was a rat dog.
33:20LAUGHTER
33:20And the New York Times, it was the...
33:22I mean, I have it framed,
33:23because the New York Times wrote an article
33:24that said, Seth Meyers' dog
33:25and Andy Samberg's nemesis...
33:27LAUGHTER
33:28...passes away.
33:30And I'm like, I cannot believe the most famous thing
33:32about my dog is that you hated her.
33:34LAUGHTER
33:35Because, Alan, you've got a new dog.
33:37Yes, yes, I've got a rescue dog,
33:39and she's completely deaf.
33:42And she was meant to be a guard dog,
33:44and, of course, she's dumped and she's deaf,
33:45so they gave me a lead which says,
33:47I am deaf on it,
33:49so I'm walking round the park and people are going,
33:51what's her breed?
33:52LAUGHTER
33:53LAUGHTER
33:54And I know the dog's deaf.
33:58LAUGHTER
33:59And I start mouthing the dog.
34:01And she's got, like, a bright collar,
34:06because she's got no recall, she's got bells,
34:08it's like taking a UFO for a walk.
34:10LAUGHTER
34:11She's glowing all around the park.
34:13I don't know how I would react differently
34:16knowing a dog is deaf,
34:17as a person just walking past you in a park, like...
34:19That's deaf for cheese, for dogs.
34:22Oh, OK.
34:23What?
34:23That's what the woman said, cheese.
34:26LAUGHTER
34:27Well, that's deaf...
34:28That woman said, that's deaf, the deaf dog, cheese.
34:31OK.
34:31That's deaf for dogs.
34:33Yeah.
34:33That's all you can say to your dog is cheese.
34:35Is that to send her out to the store?
34:38Cheese!
34:38LAUGHTER
34:39LAUGHTER
34:41Also, it seems like if the dog wants cheese,
34:43they would need to sign it to you.
34:45LAUGHTER
34:46Look...
34:47It's a new dog, don't give me stress.
34:49LAUGHTER
34:50LAUGHTER
34:51I like that's the one word.
34:53We're going again.
34:54I know.
34:55I'll give you cheese.
34:56You can work out the rest yourself.
34:57There you go.
34:58You'll be fine.
34:59Thank you.
35:00Seth, it is so great to have you on the couch.
35:02Thank you.
35:02I'm so happy to be here.
35:03Don't forget, you can watch Late Night with Seth Meyers
35:06weekends on CNBC.
35:07LAUGHTER
35:08Oh, wow.
35:09You know.
35:10I'm on it.
35:11I'm on it now.
35:12You know.
35:12Yeah.
35:13APPLAUSE
35:14Meanwhile, Alan Carr is back on the road for his new tour.
35:20It's called Have I Said Too Much?
35:23But we should say, tickets are on sale, I think, today.
35:26Yes.
35:26But it'll be a while before they can go.
35:29Yes, 2027.
35:31LAUGHTER
35:33I'm a slow writer.
35:34I'm a slow writer.
35:35Do you know what I was going to call the show?
35:38National Traitor.
35:39Ooh.
35:40Ooh.
35:41But, you know, I've got to stop milking it.
35:44LAUGHTER
35:45I've got to let it go, ain't I?
35:47I bet if I die, I'll be like, oh, look, there's that bloke
35:50who wore that cloak.
35:50That's what they're going to say.
35:51LAUGHTER
35:52So, you know...
35:54Better than being Andy Samberg's nemesis.
35:56LAUGHTER
35:57Now, your last tour to go all over the world,
36:00did you end up in New Zealand?
36:01Yes, New Zealand, Australia.
36:03Now, what's that hotel in New Zealand
36:06which you can bungee jump off the top?
36:09Oh, that's in...
36:10Oh, it's Sky Tower.
36:11That's Auckland.
36:12Was it the Sky Tower?
36:13Yes.
36:14They can bungee jump off the top of the hotel.
36:17I'm there unpacking, I'm seeing people screaming.
36:20LAUGHTER
36:22Ow!
36:23Ow!
36:24And then I see them come back, I'm like,
36:26How shit is this hotel?
36:28LAUGHTER
36:29Oh, my God, I wanted a double bed.
36:31LAUGHTER
36:34So, yeah, I mean, I always stay there.
36:36It must be the Sky, yes, yes, yeah.
36:38So I always go everywhere and, um...
36:41Yeah, I love it, I love it.
36:43There's no theme, there's a little bit about me being single,
36:46but traitor stuff and stuff.
36:47I never have themes, I just...
36:49When my notebook is full of jokes, I just go on tour.
36:52I just do it every three years, I love it.
36:53I just love the freedom of it all.
36:55And, obviously, people will want you to talk about, uh, celebrity traitors.
36:59Mm-hm.
36:59And were you, no offence, but were you as surprised as everyone else when you won?
37:06LAUGHTER
37:07When I laughed in their face.
37:09LAUGHTER
37:10I really thought when I go round that table, they're all just going to say,
37:16Alan, Alan, Alan.
37:17Yes.
37:18But they didn't.
37:19Are they stupid?
37:20LAUGHTER
37:21Are they so stupid?
37:22And then I started crying cos it was Nick Muhammad's face.
37:26He was like, we got this, we got this.
37:29And I'm like, no, I've got this.
37:30LAUGHTER
37:32Have any of you seen this, the celebrity traitors?
37:35I've not seen this season, no.
37:36No, no.
37:37I saw the eight minutes sizzle reel.
37:39OK, me too, and I saw Celia Emery fart.
37:41Oh, my God.
37:42I was changed to her.
37:44I couldn't move.
37:45LAUGHTER
37:49And we have to talk about Paloma, because she did not find it funny.
37:53No.
37:54No.
37:55Has she got over it?
37:56She had, and I saw her yesterday, we did some silly sketches
37:59and stuff like that.
38:00But, you know, like I said to her, I said, it's a game,
38:03it's called the traitors.
38:04It's like going on, like, you know, what's it called,
38:07naked attraction and saying, what, I've got to take my knickers off?
38:10LAUGHTER
38:12We've got a picture of you and Paloma last night.
38:14Oh, wow.
38:16Oh, my God.
38:17I think I know who you're being.
38:19LAUGHTER
38:22I could not get that foundation off.
38:25I'm not going to get some...
38:26OK, and we are friends, and we're back in the morning.
38:28That's just smiling.
38:29It's Claudia Winkleman.
38:30Great.
38:31You know what?
38:32I had a feeling.
38:33LAUGHTER
38:34I've got a question.
38:36How do they, as a TV show, how do they inform you
38:40that it's going to be you before the show?
38:42How does that all happen?
38:43You sit there, OK, I'll show you, yeah.
38:46Go on.
38:46Oh, my God, I'm doing the action!
38:48You're blindfolded.
38:49This is Claudia.
38:50Yeah, blindfolded.
38:51LAUGHTER
38:52She's so light on her feet.
38:53Yes.
38:54Like a cart horse.
38:55LAUGHTER
38:56Yeah, yeah.
38:57Yeah.
38:58Ah.
38:59That's what happened.
39:00Yes.
39:01Did you not nearly have a heart attack?
39:03Well, you clearly haven't seen it.
39:04I went...
39:05LAUGHTER
39:06I nearly chewed through my lip with panic.
39:08LAUGHTER
39:09I nearly chewed through my lip with panic.
39:11LAUGHTER
39:12You already have a really cheap white wine.
39:15LAUGHTER
39:16And do you really not know before that moment at all?
39:19No!
39:20No, and you don't know who it is.
39:21And then you go into the turret and you go, and there was Jonathan Ross there and Kat.
39:26And then I watched it back.
39:27I didn't realise how loud I was.
39:29LAUGHTER
39:30Because I'd done my first murder and I said to Jonathan, I've done it.
39:34LAUGHTER
39:35Do you realise how loud I am?
39:40Inside voice?
39:42LAUGHTER
39:43I know.
39:44I think we need a new hitman.
39:45LAUGHTER
39:46There will be loads for you to talk about in your new show, so get writing it.
39:51A reminder, tickets for Alan's upcoming tour of I Said Too Much are on sale now.
39:57Hey, it is time for music.
39:58And this Mercury Prize-nominated singer-songwriter also murdered her way to the final of Celebrity Traitors.
40:04Here, performing, there's just something about her.
40:07It is Kat Burns!
40:09CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
40:18Let me tell you about a girl
40:21I don't really do this, but I can't keep it to myself
40:25She turns every head in the room, oh, God, she's something else
40:29I lose all my composure, this ain't nothing but a foe
40:33I need some help, cause I'm not sure how you do it in my thoughts
40:43Intrusive, living red, free in my mind
40:50There's just something about her, I can't put my finger on it
40:55But every time she looks at me, can't help it, I just fan it
41:00There's something about her, and I wonder if she knows it
41:04Cause I lose all ability to talk, it's like she's magic
41:08There's just something about her
41:10What do you do to me?
41:12Something about her
41:15I just don't understand
41:18You're so perfectly made
41:20It's like God, she had a plan
41:22Have I missed my chance with you?
41:24You must be in demand
41:26I'm trying to keep it cool, but I'd do anything I can
41:30I must sound like a fan
41:32I must sound like a fan
41:33Cause I'm not sure how you do it in my thoughts
41:40Intrusive, living red, free in my mind
41:50There's just something about her, I can't put my finger on it
41:54But every time she looks at me, can't help it, I just fan it
41:58There's something about her, and I wonder if she knows it
42:02Cause I lose all ability to talk, it's like she's magic
42:06There's just something about her
42:08Something about her
42:10Something about her
42:12Something about her
42:14There's just something about her
42:16Something about her
42:18Something about her
42:20Something about her
42:22Something about her
42:24You do something to me
42:26I lose it like a groupie
42:28You do something to me
42:30I'm never like this usually
42:32You do something to me
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44:38Evet.
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