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Accident Suicide Murder S06E04
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00:00a husband does the unthinkable and you say your wife is beyond help yes ma'am
00:14i was told your father shot your mother i still don't know how to take that
00:22there were glaring questions that we needed to get answers to
00:27was this death a fatal agreement she started almost incessantly with i'm going to kill myself
00:33i want you to kill me and his mother he's someone who gave his life in exchange for hers or is it
00:39cold-blooded murder disguised as a mercy killing they feared for their lives they thought he would
00:45come and hunt them down we do everything that we possibly took for him we never saw him he was
00:52overwhelmed he was just going to take matters into his own hands in the end you can't go around
00:59praying god
01:039-1-1 what is your emergency
01:25see um i just shot my wife you just shot your wife yes ma'am okay is she awake no she's dead
01:38on march 27 2017 there was a call to 9-1-1 about a shooting outside of a memory care center
01:45do you still have the weapon yes but i'm unloading it and setting it off to the side
01:50the caller calmly reported what he had done and was relatively unemotional what is your name
01:59steve crusty the caller is 62 year old steven crusty the victim was his wife 61 year old
02:09pam crusty and you say your wife is beyond help yes ma'am
02:21given the bizarre nature of the call detectives approach the scene with a mix of curiosity
02:26and dread when that call came out my mindset was you know this is not possible someone's just not
02:33calling to say i just did this this could be a prank as i'm driving along the dispatchers were
02:39giving us additional details that made me realize oh this is actually real this person's still on the
02:45phone okay baby okay who are you talking to steve what's that who are you talking to um i was just
02:54talking to her okay so she is breathing no ma'am at one point he's talking to her still as if she's
03:02still alive it was almost like he was in some kind of disbelief
03:09as we approach parkside it it's a assisted living facility and it is pretty much the only physical
03:15building on that block we're expecting some sort of chaos because we're responding to a shooting
03:23when we approached we saw nothing the parking lot was empty so that even added to our confusion
03:29so we're communicating on a radio with our dispatchers asking hey have the person come
03:35out to the parking lot so we can see them can you walk out to the street stay for me but i want you
03:40to have your hands up so that they know that you don't have the gun on you okay yes officers are
03:47looking for him and then dispatchers were still trying to get him to come out but he was hesitant let
03:53me know when you're with them steve ma'am i gotta go get with my wife no i need to make sure the
03:58officer gets you steve because i don't want anything to happen to you okay all right once he actually
04:05listened he came out to the parking lot when we laid eyes on him we didn't see a typical homicidal
04:12maniac we just saw a older man who does not appear that he can hurt a fly just walking out
04:19he was not agitated you know he looked a bit sad but he was quite cooperative at the time
04:27once we put handcuffs on him we asked him okay where's the gun and where's your wife and he told
04:32us she's in the back of the building by the patio
04:39lo and behold we found her on the ground in the grass just a few feet away from the actual patio
04:45we did not see a bloody murder scene all we saw was a lady laying there on her back
04:56with a very small wound on her chest she was shot it was at close range there were not multiple shots
05:06and there was very little blood for someone who was shot to death in the heart looks like it was
05:13done by someone who really knew what he was doing and wanted to end her life right away this was no
05:19ordinary perpetrator this was a marksman this was someone who knew where exactly to shoot
05:24as we looked at the body there's nothing about the body that suggested any kind of struggle
05:29no scratch marks no defensive wound we did find the gun with five additional rounds in the magazine
05:37and the gun was already made safe and placed on a half wall at the patio
05:45it's clear to police stephen krespi isn't trying to hide his straightforward and thoughtful cooperation
05:51is in stark contrast to the crime before them but he is clear this wasn't a struggle or an accident it
05:58was a request he said i just shot my wife she asked me to do it we're in disbelief and she's not
06:06here to actually speak for herself the way i looked at it automatically i'm like this is a homicide and
06:13we had a person who did it in custody it may appear that okay yes he was doing something to help her
06:19but ultimately he's a killer you killed your wife and it is in fact a crime
06:28the night of the incident i was 37. my sister called and said you need to get down to parkside and i was
06:36like why what's going on there's been an incident i can't tell you get down there you got to go
06:43okay my mom was at parkside assisted living facility for about two to three months at this point
06:53i honestly thought like my mom had injured herself she was diagnosed with frontal temporal
07:01low dementia a little more than a year before this happened it's a very aggressive form of alzheimer's
07:09and at night a lot of times mom would get aggressive and so i figured this may have been
07:14one of those incidents and they just needed somebody else down there to help control the situation
07:20i get there and there's cops everywhere this is a little more than just my mom being aggressive
07:34and i remember walking up the scene and there was another police officer there and he was like who are
07:39you can i help you well my name is matthew cruspe my father and mother are here and uh a detective came
07:47towards me and he goes um i need i need to inform you that your mother's deceased and he was like
07:54uh your father shot your mother
08:05i didn't i i i i
08:09i still don't know how to take that
08:13my mom was a huge influence in my life she's honestly the strongest woman that i know
08:19my initial reaction is like you gotta be kidding me like what happened
08:29my mom and dad met at a marine corps ball in 1974. she was working as a civilian at a navy contractor
08:36and he was in the marines guarding arlington national cemetery he was willing to dance when
08:43none of the other guys were willing to dance and they danced together one of their favorite things to do
08:48was swing dance and they could move they could they could really really move pam and steve complemented
08:55each other they were two sides of each other's heart they always were thoughtful and respectful
09:02about what each other thought and felt and they didn't operate unless it was together
09:09they got married in 1976 and they had three children in four years andrew was the oldest and then stephanie
09:16and then nappy was the youngest he was born in 1980. the children were always respectful happy playful
09:24fun curious and just delightful delightful children my parents were married for 47 years but the first
09:32half of my childhood my dad was always gone he was in the military he was constantly deployed here there
09:38come home for a few months and leave stationed in north carolina as part of special warfare operations
09:44steve's steve's mission was to train america's elite soldiers navy seals and green berets a lot of the
09:51stuff he does i i don't know and probably never will know but when he was deployed my mother was god
09:59she had to be the head of the household she had to be the disciplinarian but she also used my mom so she
10:03had this loving caring nurture side of that in 1994 steven retires from the marines after settling his
10:12family in florida he devotes his time to the classroom training high school students through rotc but by
10:182001 retirement leads him to an unexpected new passion when he retired from the military after 23 years he
10:27became a lighthouse keeper and pam would go and help him there my parents were married for 47 years and they
10:36just gave me the best example of what it means to truly love someone else you know the selflessness
10:43you know what i mean the sacrifices for each other and and you could see that
10:51and now i have a police officer telling me that my father shot my mother i was pissed
10:56i was angry i was trying to push back that cop to go in the back to find out what was going on
11:05and my wife is standing to my to my right and she sees my dad being escorted in handcuffs
11:13i didn't see him had i saw him that night i would have probably been in jail myself i would have went
11:21after my father i was i was enraged you know because i was just told that he killed my mother
11:29come to find out like we saw later that just wasn't clear-cut as it as it should be
11:37no other family member said that pam crosby wanted to commit suicide
11:42when the girl went up top he chose to take things in his own hands and made it go away
11:46pam wanting to die was perhaps a creation in stephen crosby's mind
11:52it got to the point where i couldn't take any more
11:55matthew crosby and his two siblings are looking for answers after learning their father stephen
12:14is responsible for the death of their mother pam
12:18my sister she she arrived at the facility my brother didn't come till later we were just kind
12:24of in shock we didn't really understand what was going on
12:31within a couple of hours of the crime stephen crosby is taken to the boyton beach police department
12:36where he's interrogated are you going in any way when they asked stephen crosby if he was hurting
12:45he said it was his heart and that really will get you because here's a person who by all accounts
12:53loved his wife dearly police meanwhile who are sympathetic to him are still trying to drill down
12:58whether this was the crime out of compassion for his wife or a crime of convenience i just did a lot
13:05of thinking my wife has been saying to me lately she knew that there was something wrong with her she
13:11didn't know what and every time i would try to explain to her she couldn't comprehend it she has
13:17alzheimer's disease but she said that she didn't know anything anymore she can't do what other people
13:23can do i always told her that that was okay and i told her about that and then she said she wanted to
13:31kill herself she wanted to get suicide and that's what she said today she's been saying that for four months now
13:39stephen told the detective that pam started forgetting things and getting agitated about
13:46four years earlier the simplest tasks were just overwhelming to her things became most pronounced
13:53in 2012 she started to withdraw she worked at the clerk of courts and she just said she couldn't
14:00stand to go to work anymore she noticed she was having issues at work with the numbers and i just
14:07thought that was kind of odd because numbers were always her thing she said life is just no fun
14:14anymore they did a cerebral spinal fluid analysis and as the test came back it was what she really
14:24didn't want it to be a diagnosis for she had been diagnosed with early onset alzheimer's at like age 59
14:31which is really really rare a lot of things rapidly that she loved to do she could no longer
14:39do anymore she could brush her own teeth but i had to remind her
14:47she could eat on her own but i had to remind her
14:49this is the strongest woman i know
15:03and in this moment she's you know reduced to a child
15:11there were times when it became sometimes combative and even violent it was like two o'clock in the morning
15:17and she sprung up out of bed again and she said to me get the up and she grabbed me by
15:23by the shirt to pam you gotta stop pam you gotta stop and then she started striking me
15:30sometimes she was very aware and she knew what was going on and then other times she completely
15:35had no control and i think that must have been terrifying despite moments of clarity pam's violent
15:41outbursts and refusal to come to terms with her condition leave her family struggling to get her
15:47the help she needs she wouldn't go to the doctors like she was supposed to and she wouldn't let me help
15:53her every time i would do something to try to get her more help she would get very very agitated
16:04this is not a pam cruspy they all knew this was someone in the body of pam cruspy who mentally was
16:12someone entirely different they got to a point in 2016 where they made a decision as a family to go
16:20ahead put her in a memory care facility but she absolutely hated being in that facility there were
16:27times she thought she was working at the assisted living that she was there to help people because
16:31she just didn't understand she was one of the patients did you leave your house today saying
16:35this may be the day that this is going to happen okay so you left your house there thinking if she
16:40asked me to do this you're going to do it yes stephen walks investigators through the moments leading
16:46up to shooting his wife i took her out for coffee after she ate dinner there it was early evening they
16:54went at a coffee and then he drove her back to the facility in the parking lot she goes do we
17:01have to go back there and i was like well yes we do the closer we got the more unhappy she would get
17:08incessantly with i'm gonna kill myself i want you to kill me i mean the anguish that she was was going
17:16through just unbelievable it was a horror story went out and started walking around with her the whole
17:25time she's pretty much begging him like if you loved me you would do this just was getting more and more
17:29and more desperate she said i feel like i'm trapped here i'm never going to be able to get out this is
17:36not how i want to live the rest of my life she kept you know going on and on and on and just got to
17:43the point where i couldn't take it anymore steven cruspe a marine kept a gun in his car you leave her
17:51outside and then go to your car to get a gun yes she was looking me dead in the eyes okay she
17:59said anything yes what did she say she said i want you to kill me how far away from her were you
18:08i went in close yes yeah i thought maybe if i took it out that she would maybe say don't do this
18:15decision he stood really close almost close enough he could have kissed her and he held the gun against
18:19her chest according to steven she seemed to be encouraged by seeing the gun and wanted to die
18:25in an interview room in boyton beach florida steven cruspe gives a harrowing account of how he helped
18:47his wife pam end her life she just stood there and it was like i i want to die i want you to kill me
18:55and i couldn't take it anymore she was so broken hearted and the gun went off
19:04a bullet went through her heart what point of the body did you shoot him in
19:11i knew that it was a fatal shot and i was like what the have i done
19:17her eyes are open and she was looking at me but it it was it was like finally
19:24he explained that when he looked at her face all he saw was relief i was willing to sacrifice
19:30anything i had to sacrifice to get her where she wanted to be he put the onus on her that this was
19:38a killing because the victim wanted it he was adamant that it was an assisted suicide not murder
19:44he said he did it for compassionate reasons but even though steven said that pam wanted to die
19:51in this situation he said that he did it he's the one who pulled the trigger the state of florida does
19:57not have mercy killing if you take someone's life regardless of the reason you give us it is still
20:02murder at the end of the interview he's arrested he's taken into custody and charged with murder
20:09as per normal practice law enforcement did a dna swab not only of crosby but also of the gun
20:18steven told law enforcement that he had thought about doing this before so this showed premeditation
20:24and that's first-degree murder according to the state of florida that makes you not only eligible for
20:30life in prison but the death penalty steven cruspe made it clear from the outset that he was not guilty
20:41of murder and that the reality was that pam wanted to die she had been asking steve for a long time to
20:49help her with that he was hoping that she would change her mind but he also understood that by having
21:00the gun that it made it possible for for this to happen his only objective and only wish was to see
21:08this charge reflect the truthfulness of what occurred
21:13as steven remains in jail insisting it was a mercy killing detectives look to the three
21:19crispy children who struggle to comprehend their father's claims as they speak to police
21:25all the kids were in shock um they were kind of in disbelief that this had happened and they were
21:30disappointed that their dad hadn't talked to them or asked for help or let them know how bad it was
21:36i believe he murdered my mother i do not want to talk to you i have nothing to say to you
21:41at all andrew steven's oldest son and stephanie his daughter also thought he was a murderer basically
21:51that they had he'd taken the easy way and murdered their mom my father's he's having some difficulty
21:57with processing my mom's condition i don't know what's been said about other children we did everything
22:05that we possibly could for him he never saw it coming they started telling the cops that
22:11he was overwhelmed by trying to take care of pam and he wasn't asking for help and he could have
22:17asked for help we provided that man with every resource every option of help we couldn't have given
22:26him any more things to make him be okay they said that he was one of these people who had such hubris
22:33about being able to take care of everything and fix it that he was just going to take matters into his own hands
22:39one key detail stephen gave police is firmly rejected by his children no other family member
22:48said that pam crosby wanted to commit suicide i knew she was declining but she had very lucid moments with
22:56us she would never flat out say i want to kill myself i want to die
23:00also pam crosby was very religious she converted to catholicism and so suicide would be a real no-no
23:11in the catholic church if you take your own life you're you know eternally damned and that's why
23:17her family and others thought that the whole wanting to die was perhaps a creation in stephen crosby's mind
23:25on april 10th less than a month after pam crosby was shot and killed her husband stephen appears in
23:34court for his arraignment we announced that we were seeking first-degree murder charges we also said that
23:40we would not be seeking the death penalty as prosecutors we're human beings too and we're sympathetic to
23:47the fact that he was a caregiver and he loved his wife but in the end you can't go around playing god
23:55stephen pled not guilty and said that this was not premeditated murder stephen and pam's youngest son
24:04matthew finds that as time passes following pam's death he begins to see more of his father's side
24:11it took me about a month and a half after the incident took place i had gotten over my anger
24:19and i just started to process you know what was my mom going through what was my dad going through
24:24do i agree with of what he did no absolutely not of course i didn't agree with him but i understood why
24:33my dad's fix her if something's wrong he's gonna figure out why and and fix it and the one thing he
24:46couldn't do and would have never been able to do is fix my mother
24:58i didn't know
24:59a lot of what my dad was going through at this time a little bit of me feels guilty
25:10i was there for my mother but i was not involved in a lot of her care i could have been there maybe a
25:19little more
25:20if my mom was truly aware of what was going on and i believe she was my mom didn't want to live
25:31like this and i think they both had a hand in it this change of heart is welcomed by steven's defense
25:40team who are gearing up for an arduous battle as we started defending the case it was clear that
25:48the police felt it was an open and shut case as a result of that they didn't examine and evaluate
25:55everything that everything that should have been and there were glaring questions that we needed to get answers to
26:01the big question was was there reason to suspect that this was possibly a suicide as opposed to a homicide
26:11and was there more investigation that needed to be done to uncover the truth
26:25that is
26:30accused of killing his wife pam steven crespi watches from jail as his case stalls for months then years
26:40because it's a homicide these court cases take a very long time and the fact that covid happened
26:47delayed the process even longer so he was in jail in prison waiting trial for quite a bit of time
26:55while both sides wait for their day in court the crespi siblings work on finding common ground
27:00despite their differences me and my brother and sister for about two three years after the incident
27:07we still had a good standing good relationship i i still at this point supported my dad they they
27:12supported my mom's side but we still talked because we made an agreement we said hey let's not let this
27:19destroy us because it really doesn't involve us so let's let the courts handle this and let's not let
27:27this ruin our relationship three years pass until in 2020 the family prepares to meet in court again for a bond
27:36hearing in florida the court has discretion to grant bond we took a considerable amount of time to
27:46build a defense case to say that he should get a bond so that he can be at home and we can finish
27:53preparing the case we had witnesses from all walks of life military people that knew him in his personal
28:03life and family matthew who had prepared a bedroom for him and a place to stay everything was fine a week or two
28:12before my dad's bond hearing that was the moment things and people shifted i get a call from my brother
28:22what do you know about this bond hearing what about the bond hearing did you know about it yes i did
28:27why didn't you tell any of us i thought we made an agreement to let the courts handle the courts
28:33and he was like yeah but this is a little more serious are you thinking about taking them in and
28:37i was like yeah if it goes down and then we three weighed my sister in and it just got more and more
28:43and more and you know they said some things i can't believe you're you know you would take in a murderer
28:50the tensions between the family come to a head on the day of the hearing about six months after
28:55covid shut everything down he finally got a bond hearing in september of 2020 and everybody in the
29:01court were masked all three siblings testify at the bond hearing matthew for the defense and andrew and
29:08stephanie on the side of the prosecution this was a split family and this was something that
29:16really weighed on those who loved pam crosby
29:19stephanie basically told the judge that she didn't trust her dad the claim that this was an
29:28accident is absolutely false there was no way after what he had done with the mom that she could
29:34believe in him he had sacrificed their trust when going back up he chose to take things in his own
29:41hands and make it go away my brother and sister they called them narcissistic they called them uh
29:47controlling unstable or irrational in murdering someone it's his way of showing love that i would
29:53hate to know what he could do to other loved ones if he's let out into the real world they feared for
29:59their lives they thought my dad would come and hunt them down that happens at all for better or for
30:05worse in sickness and in health is not demonstrated by 45 to the chest they both painted a view i never knew
30:13they had of my father but two one that doesn't exist of my father stephen's oldest son andrew was on
30:20zoom for the bond hearing as well and he was vehement that he just stay in jail my father should have
30:26sent me something to the effect of i wish i could just put it around in her chest and then support
30:31to put her out of her misery and i thought that he was exaggerating and speaking out of frustration
30:36regarding the situation until he wasn't when andrew appeared remotely at the bond hearing and said i
30:46heard my dad say that he wanted to put a round in her chest it's really damning not only because it
30:52shows premeditation but it also shows that stephen cruspe allegedly had this intention before things got
31:00even worse that he was thinking about it at least a year in advance my dad was hurt for a while because
31:07of my brother and sister and the things they said during that bond hearing he still loves them he still
31:13cares for them don't think that he doesn't um but he's hurt because the words don't line up with how
31:21we were raised with what took place he feels abandoned by them when the judge announced her ruling
31:28she denied bond saying the evidence of premeditated murder was too strong to release him he was being
31:36put on trial for murder what's to say he wouldn't try to kill himself or others especially because he
31:42seemingly had some sort of messiah complex where he believed in killing other people for their own
31:47benefit we were there to do justice for pan this was an unjustified killing a homicide that needed to
31:57be punished appropriately and we were not going to stop
32:17after a contentious bond hearing stephen cruspe is denied bond and sent back to prison to await trial
32:23for the murder of his wife pam stephen went back to jail and our focus turned on finding the best
32:31experts in crime scene reconstruction and dna analysis all with the objective to prove that this was
32:40an assisted suicide and not a murder the defense enlists forensics expert tiffany roy to aid their case
32:48they asked her to go back over the evidence collected at the time of the incident first thing
32:54i do in every case when i get the case file notes is to check for human error because human people do
32:59this work and they make mistakes as we're going through this process we found out that pamela's hands
33:08should have been tested for gunshot residue and were not back at the time this was such an open and shut case
33:15that the medical examiner had no evidence of gsr gunshot residue this is missing this data would be
33:22important the presence or absence of gunshot residue on someone's hands might be telling
33:27if gunshot residue testing had been done as it should have been it could have shown that pam assisted in the
33:35suicide seeing this discrepancy the defense strategy is to turn the state's evidence against them
33:42in an effort to show that not enough was done to rule out suicide as the cause of pam's death
33:48starting with the dna dna was important in this case because they tested the murder weapon which was
33:53a gun that was owned by mr crosby and drew conclusions that mr crosby's dna was on his own firearm
34:00but the tools that were being used at the crime lab can only examine certain parts and pieces of the profile
34:08so there were things that were being missed and so we needed a higher powered tool to examine that
34:14information tiffany helped us do additional testing on samples that law enforcement have
34:25there were several samples after they were examined that showed dna
34:28traits that were similar to mrs crosby on the firearm
34:31the area where mrs crosby's dna was most present was the grip and that made it a very real possibility
34:39that she could have handled that weapon this was huge because her contact with the gun
34:45suggests that in fact she was involved in the discharging of the weapon
34:52but can the presence of her dna alone prove assisted suicide we could argue as prosecutors that
34:59she did not want to die she was trying to push the gun away we knew the prosecutor would attempt to
35:04show a pushing away of the gun so we hired an expert on firearms forensic reconstruction of shootings
35:14and he reconstructed the shooting to see whether or not the wound to the shirt and the dna on the gun
35:25were consistent with showing that pam embraced and pulled the gun toward her
35:34this showed that steve did not act alone and that pam very likely assisted in her own death
35:41this stunning evidence suggests pamela may have assisted in the shooting that night
35:46steven never mentioned this detail to anyone including his own defense attorney i think the reason
35:52he didn't mention the specific act of pulling the gun toward her at the time was that the investigators
36:01never asked for the specifics in terms of how it happened he said he shot his wife that was
36:08uncontested however they never asked what pam did or what role she may have played and so by not asking
36:17the questions the investigation the investigation never got into that part of the case i also think that
36:23often under periods of stress people sometimes don't remember everything exactly as it happens and they
36:32oftentimes will fill in gaps or missing information with information that's most detrimental to themselves
36:41and because of her faith as a strong catholic on some level he believed that by not talking about that
36:50he was protecting her in a sense the defense informs steven's son matthew of their findings
36:56which forces him to reconsider his mother's final moments there's no other way that my mom's dna could
37:02have got on there unless she was holding that gun after the dna evidence what i believe happened is
37:10yes my father went to the car and got the gun yes my father presented it to my mother
37:19at which point um my mother
37:27i still
37:31i still battle with this like
37:32i believe my mom took her own life and my father did give her the gun and when
37:44when she shot herself
37:45um just all the guilt of it came back to my father so i do believe my dad had a portion in it i don't
37:54think he solely pulled the trigger himself i think the ultimate decision to take my mother's life was my
38:02mother's
38:05faced with the defense's new evidence of assisted suicide the state's attorney needs to rethink
38:10their approach this was a game changer because we were all set to pursue murder charges and when
38:16you're a prosecutor you have to prove cases beyond a reasonable doubt the fact that we now had some
38:22doubt meant that the jury certainly would
38:24what seemed like a straightforward murder case against stephen krespi takes a turn when forensic
38:46evidence gives the defense room to argue it was a mercy killing the defense paid a lot of money for an
38:53expert who then revealed that pam's dna was found on the grip of the gun
39:00and that's why we decided to enter into conversations about lowering the charge
39:06in florida there's a rarely used statute of manslaughter
39:10by assisted suicide
39:13so we met the evidence where it was and told the defense that we'd be willing to enter into agreement
39:19where the defendant would plead guilty to manslaughter by assisted suicide and would leave it up to the
39:25judge to do the sentencing when stephen learned of the offer he was relieved he felt that finally
39:35after six years we were getting an offer that was consistent with the truth and at that time
39:42he pled guilty to manslaughter by assisted suicide
39:50in august 2023 stephen finally gets to go back to court for sentencing
39:53with no priors he was eligible for a sentence of between 10 and 30 years
40:03our case was reinforced by the fact that the family members at least almost all of them were on our
40:08side they were the ones who wanted stephen krespi to go to prison as long as possible they
40:13clearly did not like him they hated what he did they did not forgive him and they wanted the maximum penalty
40:19during sentencing my brother and sister gave victim impact statements
40:26i i a lot of stuff they said to me was just
40:31vindictive
40:34if you viewed my father that way then why would you even be around him
40:38their words and their actions didn't line up to me and i didn't understand that
40:43what struck me was when stephen krespi voluntarily chose to give a statement
40:51at sentencing and i was a bit surprised at how defiant and angry he was
40:56if he finally gets to speak in court he basically says where was everybody helping me
41:01the judge she was not unsympathetic to stephen krespi she understood where he was coming from
41:07if the family wasn't so adamant if stepheny and andrew didn't feel the way they did then this would
41:13have been probably treated differently in the end she decided to go for 20 years
41:24when they came back with 20 i was just at a loss for words it's a life sentence for my father he's old
41:32in his mind he's someone who gave his life in exchange for hers he's not going to be able to
41:40be buried at arlington national cemetery his family is permanently divided my dad is currently 72
41:50i still go visit him i talk to him at least once a week on the phone my dad has not spoken to anybody
41:57uh my brother or sister since the incident i have no plans to ever speak with
42:02my brother or sister again i miss my mom a lot she raised me she was my best friend
42:21no matter what i was going through whenever my mother smiled i knew it was okay
42:27okay or it wouldn't be all right
42:35i just want to see her smile one more time
42:41no matter what i was going through
42:46but i was going through
42:47internet
42:49yes
42:50no matter what i was trying to show you
42:51and i have no choice
42:53but i think it's a lot for you
42:55because it's not the moment you're going through
42:56no matter what i was talking to the fact ...
42:57it's okay
42:57yeah
42:58it's okay
42:59i always want to be careful
43:00yeah
43:00as much as you can i think i'm going through
43:01yeah
43:02yeah
43:03yeah
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