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00:00Oh!
00:02Hi, everybody!
00:04Oh, how lovely!
00:06Yay!
00:08Hello!
00:10Hello, hello, hello!
00:12Good evening.
00:14Good evening, everyone.
00:16You're all very welcome to the show.
00:28Very welcome to the show.
00:30It's nearly Christmas!
00:32Oh!
00:34I think you agree the set looks rather festive, doesn't it?
00:38Do you like the tree?
00:40Can we get a close-up of the star?
00:42Oh!
00:44The star!
00:48Wrong star.
00:50Listen, we have a great line-up for you.
00:52Look over there, singing for us later,
00:54it's the great Tom O'Dell!
00:56Tom and his 27-piece orchestra.
01:02Count them.
01:04A real musical treat.
01:06But what treats have I got for you on my sofa tonight?
01:08Well, this former supermodel swapped the catwalk for the stand-up stage
01:12and recently wrote and starred in her own BBC series, Spent.
01:16And now she's on her first major comedy tour, The Afters.
01:18It's a warm welcome to Michelle De Swart!
01:24Well, there she is!
01:26Oh!
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01:37I first hosted this Irish actress and singer as a contestant on the BBC talent show I'd Do Anything.
01:43Since then, she's become an Oscar-nominated star of films,
01:46like The Lost Daughter, Wild Rose and Wicked Little Letters.
01:50Now she brings us the beautiful and heartbreaking Hamnet.
01:53It is Jesse Buckley, everybody!
02:03Hello! So good to see you!
02:06We're glad to have a seat, Jesse Buckley!
02:09And we have the two very funny stars of the comedy reboot of Anaconda.
02:14One made us laugh in comedy classic Anchorman
02:17and kicked Tiny Butt as Marvel superhero Ant-Man.
02:20The other is the star of hits like Jumanji
02:23and this year's blockbuster smash, The Minecraft Movie.
02:26It's our good friends Paul Rudd and Jack Black!
02:34Come on, come on! There you go!
02:37You did it, you did it!
02:39Hello, lovely to see you!
02:41And to my folks!
02:43That is gorgeous!
02:47Let's get that thing out of here!
02:50We're able to hug you twice!
02:51There's no second hug!
02:52Oh, we're hugging!
02:53It's all now, you're waving!
02:54Yeah, waving, waving, yeah!
02:56No, no, no, no!
02:57Oh, oh, oh, it's...
02:58Mind the champagne!
03:00OK, there we go.
03:01Yeah, yeah, nice, nice, nice.
03:03I just want to hug you.
03:05And...
03:06Merry Christmas, everybody!
03:08Sorry.
03:10Merry Christmas!
03:13There you go!
03:14Yeah, that's what it is.
03:15Are you OK there?
03:16I just had a panic that my fly was down.
03:20I should have checked back there.
03:21The tie covers it.
03:26Beautifully done.
03:27No-one's noticed.
03:28It's a warm welcome back to Paul, Jack and Jessie.
03:31A first-time welcome to Michelle de Swart.
03:33I'm so glad you're here!
03:34Yeah!
03:39We...
03:40We first met on RuPaul's Drag Race UK.
03:43You were a judge.
03:44And the fandom, the people who love that show, loved you.
03:48Did you feel all the kind of Drag Race love?
03:50I did.
03:51I did.
03:52I absolutely loved it.
03:53Also, I was like, I have trained my whole life for this...
03:56for this panel.
03:57Do you know what I mean?
03:58I was like, yes, fashion, comedy and judging.
04:01It's your wheelhouse.
04:03Exactly!
04:04And now, are you going to be OK on the couch tonight?
04:06Because...
04:07Michelle has feelings for someone on the couch.
04:11Oh!
04:12Who might that be, Michelle?
04:19Jessie.
04:21If you could just move out of the way, Jack.
04:24LAUGHTER
04:25APPLAUSE
04:26Oh, my God.
04:27OK.
04:28I am a massive fan.
04:29And, like, early on...
04:30Sorry, guys.
04:31LAUGHTER
04:32Tenacious D is, like, the blueprint of...
04:34Yes.
04:35If there was a score for my early 20s, it would be...
04:37It would be Tenacious D.
04:38Oh, my God.
04:40So, thank you so much.
04:41You kept me so much company.
04:45That was so sweet.
04:46Wow.
04:47I...
04:48I feel I should apologise to Paul, because...
04:51Jessie Buckley also has a Jack Black thing.
04:52What?!
04:53LAUGHTER
04:54I get it.
04:55I have a Jack Black thing.
04:56LAUGHTER
04:57There's enough of me to go around.
04:58LAUGHTER
04:59No, yours is very specific, Jessie.
05:00I, like, say to myself more often than is reasonable, tip it to the side, cello.
05:06Oh, yeah.
05:07From School of Rock.
05:08It's a base.
05:09It's a base.
05:10It's a base.
05:11Yes.
05:12When did you get a base?
05:13Oh, yeah.
05:14It's a base?
05:15Oh, yeah.
05:16It's a base.
05:17Oh, yeah.
05:18Oh, yeah.
05:19Oh, yeah.
05:20Oh, yeah, yeah.
05:21Oh, yeah.
05:22Oh, yeah.
05:23Oh, yeah.
05:24Oh, yeah.
05:25Oh, yeah.
05:26Oh, yeah.
05:27Oh, yeah.
05:28Yes.
05:29When do you get to say, tip it to the side, cello?
05:31I said unreasonably.
05:33Like, there's no reason.
05:34LAUGHTER
05:35You know, that line...
05:37But you live, like, rent-free saying that in my head.
05:40LAUGHTER
05:41That is sweet.
05:42That line...
05:43I remember, that wasn't in the script.
05:45George Draculius, great record producer, and also, he was in charge of, like, the music
05:51on that movie.
05:52He would hang out on the set in my trailer, and he threw that to me.
05:57He was like, you should say, on this next take, you should say, you play cello?
06:02Tip it to the side.
06:03Cello, it's a base.
06:04And I just took it straight from your head at the end of the movie.
06:07And it is some of people's favourite line.
06:10I'll tell George.
06:11George, if you're watching, thank you.
06:13Great job.
06:14Great writing.
06:15I feel like we should stop saying lovely things about Jack Black now.
06:18It's been too much.
06:19One more for Michelle.
06:20Well, no, I did just watch you take one sip of Kampari, then take a tea chaser,
06:25and then drink some water.
06:26LAUGHTER
06:27It's amazing.
06:28You have a tea and a Negroni.
06:31A white tea, a Negroni, and a regular water.
06:34Nice.
06:35With a little bit of morphine drip.
06:37LAUGHTER
06:38All the food groups.
06:40LAUGHTER
06:41Well, Jack Reddy, let's go.
06:43We'll start with our first big movie tonight.
06:46Paul Rudd and Jack Black star in Anaconda.
06:49It opens in cinemas on Boxing Day.
06:51Check this out.
06:53Oh.
06:54This is Anaconda.
06:55And we no longer have a snake for our snake movie.
07:00We have to go out in the jungle...
07:04...and find another one.
07:09What is that?
07:13Oh.
07:14My.
07:15My Anaconda!
07:18We're in the middle of the jungle, and we are being hunted!
07:22My Anaconda!
07:24Now we die!
07:26My take is Anaconda!
07:27Oh, my daddy!
07:28It's OK!
07:29You're safe!
07:30I'm here!
07:31Holy...
07:32LAUGHTER
07:33APPLAUSE
07:35Scary.
07:36It's scary.
07:37It's scary.
07:38It's scary.
07:39It's scary.
07:40It's scary.
07:41Jump scares, big laughs.
07:43It's everything you want.
07:44How did this...
07:45It's kind of amazing that no-one's done this before,
07:47an Anaconda reboot.
07:49How did this come about?
07:50How involved were either of you?
07:51Well, there was...
07:52The director of this movie made a movie before this called
07:56The Unbearable Weight of Massive Talent,
07:58which was with Nicolas Cage and Pedro Pascal,
08:01and both Jack and I were huge fans of that movie.
08:03And when this script kind of showed up,
08:06it seemed to have similar DNA to that one,
08:09in that it was just kind of a clever meta-comedy,
08:12a take on a reboot.
08:14So I think I kind of worked on it a little bit with them,
08:18developing it.
08:19I was interested in doing it.
08:21I was very excited that they would want to work with me,
08:24and then I heard that Jack was maybe going to be involved,
08:27and then it was just the most exciting day.
08:30And then we got on the phone and talked about it.
08:32And it's basically...
08:33It's two friends kind of coming together later in life.
08:37Yeah.
08:38Yeah.
08:39Four friends.
08:40Four, you're right.
08:41Steve Zahn and Tandway Newton.
08:42Tandway Newton.
08:43And, yeah, we're these four dumbbells who love each other
08:47and had great experiences in high school making little dumb films,
08:50and we shared a love of the original Anaconda,
08:53and we decided to go remake this movie out in the jungle,
08:56and then we get swept up in an actual Anaconda nightmare.
09:00But it's really funny and crazy.
09:03I never read anything like it.
09:04And I was mainly excited to work with this guy right here
09:07because he makes me laugh so hard until I cry.
09:09And I thought, this is it.
09:11And I told my manager, I was like,
09:13I'll do it as long as Paul Rudd is, in fact, attached.
09:17Because sometimes they'll pull a fast one.
09:19They'll pull a switcheroo.
09:20Tennessee switcheroo.
09:21Yeah, no.
09:22Paul Rudd's in it.
09:23And then you say, OK, I signed the thing.
09:24And then they say, oh, Paul couldn't do it.
09:26He had to do it.
09:27No!
09:28Don't make sure.
09:29So, now, it's supposed to be set in South America,
09:31but you filmed in Australia, was it?
09:33Yeah.
09:34Yeah.
09:35Yeah.
09:36Apparently that wasn't our decision,
09:38but we had a great experience in Australia pretending to be
09:41in Brazil in the rainforest.
09:44Yeah.
09:45The Gold Coast.
09:46Nice.
09:47And you were in real swamps.
09:50Yeah.
09:51The first day of shooting for me was, I don't know,
09:57it was a night shoot and we were in a swamp.
09:59Selton Mello and I were in a swamp up to our chest
10:02and it was terrifying.
10:03And they were trying to put us at ease and they said,
10:06we had guys come out and they cleared out the swamp yesterday.
10:10Like you can clear out a swamp.
10:12You were in there and they said, you know there's things swimming around
10:15and even some of the crew said, I can't believe you're going in there.
10:18Which is not...
10:19I'm gonna jump in here.
10:20There was someone on the crew who had a creepy crawly stuck to their leg
10:24and you saved them.
10:25I didn't, it was a beetle.
10:28And you knew what to do.
10:29You were like...
10:30You saved their life.
10:34You're a life saver dude.
10:36I mean...
10:41It was a beetle with a horn on it.
10:43It was a beetle that had a horn on it.
10:45Yes.
10:46Only found in the Australian airbag.
10:48But then this is weird.
10:49It's got your nuts off if you're not careful.
10:51No.
10:52It was a nut-biting beetle.
10:55Michelle, before you got into comedy, we'll talk about this later,
10:59you were a model and didn't you have a beetle thing?
11:02Yeah.
11:03Yeah.
11:04Because they would just get you to do like random things in modelling
11:06where they were just sort of like, you're lucky to be here.
11:09We're going to do this shoot now.
11:10And this is editorial.
11:11It's high fashion.
11:12So we're going to put these beetles on your face.
11:14Stay very still and look gorgeous.
11:19Try and look nice.
11:20But if you've got a beetle on your face, you're like...
11:23You're like smiles.
11:24You're like...
11:26Yeah, there's a lot of stuff like that.
11:27And then I did another shoot where they wanted me to sit on like a...
11:31a bit of wood.
11:33And as I sat down on it, it was in Texas and I was like,
11:36oh, there's all these ants crawling on me.
11:38But obviously, from England, I didn't realise there's ants that bite.
11:41Do you know what I mean?
11:42Yeah.
11:43What's the worst that can happen to you in this country?
11:45Pigeon shits on you or something.
11:47I was like, they're burning.
11:49They're burning.
11:50They're like, oh, it's a fire ants nest.
11:51And I was like, I should probably get up.
11:53And they were like, it's the last shot.
11:54If you could just stay there.
11:55And they're not gorgeous.
11:56And they're like, yeah!
11:57Yeah, fun times.
11:58Fun times.
11:59I don't know why you gave it up.
12:00Jessie Buckley, you grew up in the Irish countryside.
12:02So are you good with animals?
12:03Erm...
12:04I feel like, out of respect, they, you know, I should leave them alone.
12:07OK.
12:08Not because I would do anything to them, but they might do something to me
12:09because they're animals.
12:10That is true.
12:11Well observed.
12:12Erm...
12:13But have you ever, have you had a bad experience or something?
12:14Well actually, my mom grew up on a bull farm.
12:16What?
12:17Yeah.
12:18And she had like their...
12:19Can I just say, that seems problematic.
12:21Why?
12:22Well, you need more than a bull farm.
12:24No.
12:25No, no, no.
12:27No, no.
12:28No, no, no.
12:29No, no.
12:30No, no, no.
12:31No, no, I mean, it's like a bull farm.
12:32No, no, no, no, no, I'm good.
12:33No, no, no, no, no.
12:34No.
12:35No, no.
12:36No, no, no.
12:37No, no, no.
12:38Well, you need more than bulls on your boat, but they were no pedigree bulls. I don't know. It's like a gay cow bar
12:56Yeah, they were like prize bulls so they bring them to shows and kind of wash them and brush their hair
13:08But I remember once my grandfather brought me out into the fields and put me on his tractor and
13:16I'd never really been around a load of bulls. I get a mass good
13:23And he went to open the gate and close it and there was a load of hay on the back of the tractor and
13:28He all of a sudden this like it felt like a like a hundred bulls
13:33Were running towards me and since that moment. I just think you know out of respect. I I don't need to wrangle
13:43Leave them alone. Really. I leave them alone. Wise, wise
13:47Paul Rudd, what is the connection to Ireland that you love Ireland so much? I just think it's the greatest place
13:52I just love Ireland. I first went there on my own
13:55I loved Irish music and I was just very drawn to Ireland
13:58Okay, and then my father spent a lot of time in Ireland because he was a titanic expert and he used to take groups of people
14:04throughout Ireland to
14:06Belfast to Harlan Wolfe where the ship was built and he'd go down to Cove which was the last port of call
14:11Yeah, yeah, so we spent a lot of time in Ireland. Yeah, was that his job?
14:16Yeah, yeah
14:17Wow, that's very niche
14:19It is
14:22He used to work with airline in with the airlines and it was a big history buff. He loved history
14:28Um, but he was a real titanic enthusiast and that was he started kind of giving these titanic historical tours to other
14:36people who were as interested in titanic as he was and
14:40Late in his life. That was what he did. Yeah, and he's it's right an Irish name though
14:45I think there's other rod sausages. She's not rigged male Jesse Buckley. I never had a rod sausage
14:58I can ask your granddad was he Irish? They were English
15:03Everyone's British
15:09In America then or yeah, I was born in America, but both my parents are from London and so I grew up in America, but
15:16We actually spread my dad's ashes in Ireland as well. Wow
15:20Which is an interesting thing to try and get your dad's ashes through TSA
15:25Did you say what it was or did you pretend? I did no I did I
15:28We would put it by
15:30Like a duffel bag and put it on the belt going to fly on the airline
15:34I thought oh, I probably should have seen of this and they wanted to examine it and check it and say what's in the bag?
15:39I said it's my dad
15:42In Ireland they would have loved that
15:44You're on the right flight home if you're going home for a funeral, so
15:48You would have been welcome
15:52That's why it's the best
15:53And now there's a tradition I feel jack every time you do a movie somehow it inspires you musically
15:59Have you come up with an anaconda song?
16:02I have actually do you want to hear it? No
16:14Quiet on the set
16:16Oh
16:18Anaconda the most beautiful creature in the wild
16:24Anaconda you're the most popular with boys and girls
16:29You bite and you swallow and you take it down you are the scariest snake in town big as a bus and hearty too
16:37I made up this song just now
16:41Beautiful
16:44I lied
16:45I lied
16:46I didn't have a song
16:48That was Evie the extras
16:49Evie the extras
16:50Did you know that I was making it up as we went along because I didn't I lied I did not have a song
16:55Oh, oh, it's very good
16:57Anaconda
17:00The scariest snake in the line
17:02I think it's a hit though
17:04Yeah, it's pretty good
17:06That's how all songs are written at first you don't have a song
17:09And then did you see the beatles documentary?
17:13When you watch paul mccartney sir paul come up with get back right in front of your eyes, that's what you just saw
17:21Beautiful work beautiful work a reminder. You can see anaconda in cinemas from boxing day
17:26He's so good
17:27He's so good
17:28Woo
17:30Meanwhile
17:32Jesse buckley jesse buckley gives an extraordinary performance in hamlet
17:36It is in cinemas from the 9th of January and hamlet is this incredibly beloved novel by maggie o'farrell
17:43And when they approached you were you familiar with the book or no?
17:47No, I met chloe joe first and then they sent me the book
17:51And for people who haven't read the book and lots of people have
17:54Tell us about hamlet and kind of its relation to shakespeare and sort of you know why it's so special
17:59I guess it's a peek behind the curtain of who the family man shakes will william shakespeare might have been and
18:07um
18:08Where hamlet might have kind of been born from which was shakespeare actually did have a son called hamlet who died of the plague
18:16I had no idea about that. I thought it was about a danish prince. Yeah
18:21um and it's about
18:23love and loss and motherhood and
18:27uh
18:28Art and the need of kind of storytelling to hold the parts of us that we can't hold by ourselves
18:34Um, that's it really and it is it's such a beautiful woman
18:37You are god you're good in it and uh paul mescal which say plays william shakespeare and the hamlet hamlet thing
18:44Those names am I right they were interchangeable at the time yeah
18:48Yeah, and the same and you're anne hathaway but you're agnes well, she was kind of
18:53Written out of history as you know, and I think her father called her agnes
18:59But she was known as anne hathaway and as the woman that kind of pulled
19:03Shakespeare back, which is it you know
19:07Not the truth. Well, we've got a clip. This is you as agnes with paul as uh william shakespeare
19:12And uh the children because you have three children they've prepared you a surprise
19:17One step to come to your right step one more
19:23When shall we three meet again
19:36In thunder lightning or in rain when early birds time when the battle was the one
19:42That will be a surprise
19:47Where the place there to meet with anne hath
19:52I come green mountain had it cool
19:55Oh, no
19:57Well done
20:08That was amazing
20:16And watching the film like beautiful sweet scenes like that have this kind of added poignancy because
20:22as a viewer you know that something really tragic is on the way yeah i actually had no idea they
20:29were going to shoot that scene they were so giddy all day because they've been rehearsing it
20:34for like the week and uh except bode who plays susanna the my daughter in the blue really didn't
20:45i feel like she's like my emo teenager in that where i'm kind of proud that she's like oh my god
20:51i can't believe i've to do this play um but it was such a gorgeous shoot and those kids are
20:59incredible and paul is promising
21:06and we should say though if you go to see this film be prepared it will put you through the emotional
21:12ringer there's a a a long section at the end where you're you're agnes and hathaway's watching hamlet
21:19this this play that will be and there's a moment right at the end uh that i is you and and chloe
21:25the director you came up with together do you know what i'm talking about the the hands yeah um yeah
21:30i mean the end we didn't know what to do it was quite scary because it was like the whole end of
21:37shooting the whole film and we'd had this amazing journey and we're like god we've got to like land
21:42the plane now how do you like land the plane after this and go to the globe which is epic in just its
21:48name yeah um and there was a moment at the i mean there was these incredible extras 400 extras and then
21:56there was a moment where i was standing in the middle of the of our recreated globe and there was
22:01all these incredible faces around me and i sent chloe max richter's um on the nature of daylight
22:09and from that piece of music um this ending came where they all reached 400 people behind me reached
22:19their hands to try and touch the play and i guess touch the things that they've lost in their own life
22:26yeah in some way that's a really beautiful moment and this wonderful thing's happened to you you're
22:31now a mom you became a mom after the film congratulations when you watch the film now
22:43as a mom does it kind of make it even more kind of emotionally upsetting for you or is it kind of the
22:49same yeah that's pretty i watched it first when i was eight months pregnant and i was not okay
23:00there's nothing you know embarrassing to cry at your own film but i was pregnant so i'm
23:07but it felt it was you know it's about a lot it's got a lot of birth and death and motherhood and
23:13children and um i wanted to be a mom for a long time and um i got pregnant like a week after i wrapped
23:21wrapped this film so it was pretty yeah it's beautiful well it's lovely that those things
23:25are all kind of entwined now yeah and talking of hamlet shakespeare uh paul rudd you've played
23:31hamlet haven't you i did in a scene oh okay yeah yeah i did i bet you were really good in it yeah
23:37i cried when i did it too i did uh i did uh i did i did do a uh a production of it but it was very
23:46posh wasn't it it was pretty posh yeah yeah well it was it wasn't that posh well wasn't it directed
23:52by somebody very famous oh god are you talking about sir ben kingsley that's exactly what i'm talking
24:00about yes yeah this is going to be another one uh that i did a i was going to school i did a
24:08production of hamlet i was working on a scene ben king sir ben kingsley came to do it don't forget
24:12the sir nope so ben kingsley came to do a um like a master class and he directed it we worked on it
24:21and it was just for an afternoon really and um and when i was starting my career uh i had a manager
24:29a bit of a broadway danny rose type manager uh who said we need to create a cv for you
24:35and he and i had no credits and he said well what did you do in school and i was like i did a thing
24:40with hamlet uh then sir ben kingsley came in and directed it and so he put down i played hamlet in
24:48a production directed by sir ben kingsley looks good on the resume he sounds brilliant
24:55and i was uh i felt very funny about it um but those that seemed to kind of hang around
25:03and my biggest fear in life was that sir well maybe not my biggest fear in life but
25:09a big fear was that he he might somehow see my cv what never went away until now yeah
25:21he watches every week yeah and now i wouldn't have thought jack back had never done shakespeare
25:26but you have done shakespeare yes i was a theater major at uh ucla theater department and we did a
25:32production of uh uh uh uh much ado about nothing that's the one and i played a character i can't
25:39remember what it was called but i remember uh that i was very very good in the play
25:45i can't remember any of my lines i like i like when you refer to your own character as it
25:50it's a very foggy memory but i remember the director can't remember his name either he was like
25:55was it sir ben kingsley it might have been mr john gilgood and he said jack when you do this part
26:04just look straight ahead and don't move a muscle let all the emotions come through your eyes
26:11and say the part plainly and if you do this jack and hold on to these lessons throughout your life
26:18it will serve you well in a career that spans far and wide and i obviously did not take that to
26:24heart i spent my career overacting and not staying still and speaking the lines blatantly but it was
26:32a great experience i'm sure it was yes very good beautiful yeah because michelle you do acting now you
26:44have you seen anything would you do shakespeare have you done shakespeare nah
26:49and this is what like i feel like i don't have the the range for that kindness this you've got one
26:54accent with me and it's this you know what i mean like even this when you're talking about hamlet and
26:59you're anne hathaway i was like that's just that's an act that's an actor i kept on thinking that too
27:04people are kind of pissed off that i was playing it and not anne hathaway
27:11is that is anne hathaway named do i sound fake wait no she must have been named after the
27:16well obviously after the hollywood actress yes right yeah um yeah no none of that for me no period
27:23dramas here i think it'd uh there would definitely be some questions are coming on i could crush you
27:29you reckon yeah you and i maybe this is our next movie yes what would have romeo and julia am i too
27:36old to play romeo no no no i can't wait i think we would be something i feel so awkward in the middle of
27:47this i have since the beginning i asked if they wanted to swap they said no i'm bringing it back to
27:54hamlet i bring you back to hamlet because i've got to say congratulations you've got amazing reviews
27:58and golden globe nominated next month so listen good luck with that and all the other awards that i'm
28:12sure are in your future hamlet is in cinemas from the 9th of january everybody very good
28:17now here's the thing uh being an actor on stage is you know difficult and all those things but uh michelle
28:29de swart you've tackled possibly the toughest stage of all the catwalk no no no no here's the thing
28:36she's moving but no you walked for like really big designers and labels like tell us some of the people
28:42you yeah um well not well i'll say that but yes i did it i did it um walked for uh um missoni
28:50gucci versace d and g or don't think about it yeah yeah it's the real deal yeah yeah yeah yeah
28:57and then gravity came along and i've pivoted and now i'm doing stand-up was it the fire ants that
29:04took you up as supermodeling so you say gravity um gucci 2002 you're walking and this is quite a
29:12famous thing before we get into it we should say you're fine about this this isn't triggering or
29:17anything not well 2002 can you imagine if i still triggered now how dare you it feels like yesterday
29:25yeah no i'm fine so should we bought the clip should we talk about it before we see the clip or see the
29:32clip you know what it's worth chatting about it first okay no maybe set it up no go on go on should we
29:40just see it no talk about it okay so i'll say this i got i was pulling pints in a pub all right i got scouted
29:49they sent me to milan everyone was like she's the new model of the moment we're all gonna book her
29:55but no one had asked me if i could walk in hills everyone just presumed that now you've been knighted with
30:01the word model then you're that you know what i mean but i had a walk like like a bookie you just
30:06like got a winning or something i was like yeah it's what i will say and um and so i go to milan i book
30:15all of these shows and everyone's like yeah you're a model now i'm like yeah proper
30:22and at the time tom ford was um designing for gucci and uh yeah proper jack yeah and i'm standing
30:30backstage and i'm in these hills and i was like this i'm gonna this proper yeah there's no way i can
30:37walk in these and it was on this shag pile carpet and tom ford was there and i was like he went how
30:42you doing i went i'm not good anyway don't worry you're just gonna stand there and everyone's gonna
30:48die and i was like okay and then you go out onto the runway now most runways are like really short
30:54but because it's gucci it's like the longest runway ever and i start i start walking and i just
30:59thought imagine if you fell and with that stacked it shall we should we watch it now let's watch it let's
31:07watch it so here's the shag pile carpet the beautiful uh here we go here uh here comes here comes michelle
31:15the sword uh oh no she's okay she's okay she's okay she's okay oh no no no come on you can do this
31:23wait wait wait oh oh oh oh oh and then shoes off your shoes are oh you're a winner oh yeah
31:33i love this i love this oh still working it still working it
31:39yes you are beautiful thank you but also it says so much about the fashion world you stack it
31:47and one man just kind of went no one tried to help you no no but the weirdest thing is i've been
31:54doing stand-up for over a decade now hands down the funniest thing i've ever done
32:00that is rude like if that is that that's me at my comedy best
32:04so this is the comedy's going great you're on your first major tour it's called the afters
32:10you've already done a bunch of it and it kicks off again in is it march march okay the afters why is
32:16it called the afters by the way well as mentioned i was a model used to live in new york so i'm
32:20an ex-party girl and uh i think much like an afters it is me chatting at you for an hour and uh hopefully
32:27funny and entertaining oh my god and hopefully your sister well because she doesn't sound like a great
32:33audience member your sister oh my yeah all right so but thank god now i do bigger rooms but when i
32:38first started like upstairs in pubs and stuff like that very glamorous um i was doing one gig my sister
32:45came to support me and um every time back then i used to do a lot of stories about my mom and stuff
32:50and every time i'd just be getting to the punchline i'd be like you know like my mom and my sister would
32:55shout out the punchline and just like i was just like what are you doing because she knew the story
33:00do you know what i mean she was like oh yeah yeah yeah like that and i was just like this is pure sabotage
33:05and then she would get a massive laugh and then they would look at me and i was like no that's it
33:09i don't i don't i don't i don't i don't i don't i don't i don't i don't i don't i don't i don't
33:17you talk about your mom your mom got you uh into jobs now did she get you she got you a cleaning job
33:23yes yes that she that was her job already yes merry christmas mom um so yeah one of my i've done
33:31a lot of i've done a lot of different jobs before i started modeling but uh one my first job was a
33:36cleaner in an office building and uh my mom was like right i'm gonna do this day you do the other
33:41days right and um my mom uh she's a changed woman now but my mom really got a kick out and nicking and
33:49we're in this corporate in this like corporate office building and my mama sent me in i think i was
33:54pretty young like 13 14 at the time this is my first job and she'd be like right all right so when
33:59you do the second floor if you go into the kitchen they've got a really good dinner set now i've got the
34:04cups and you've got to get the plates okay that's your job you've got to nick the plates and i was
34:10just like i was such a you know like a anxious kid i'd like be freaking out it was like i was doing
34:16a heist in the loo you know what i mean i've got to nick these plates my mom so we can have the full set
34:21which is weird because she doesn't cook so it's sort of like what are they here for yeah did you just
34:26have them on display what no no i don't know you know but we did get the full set so well done yes
34:35um talking of early uh jobs things jack you got into acting really early i did i was a child actor
34:44it's true yeah i'm a little defensive i know yeah no we child actors get a bad rap but uh i survived and
34:52i'm fine nothing wrong with me was your first job the commercial for pitfall yes that was my first
35:00booking uh and but i want to clarify i i didn't have the kind of parents that were like get out there
35:06and make money for us you kid you can bring back home the bacon for us we want to go put it on the
35:13slots i drove that car i was a real ham i loved putting on a show from a very early age and i
35:24wanted to go on auditions i wanted to get out there and be i wanted to be on tv so that the kids at
35:29school could see me and uh and my stepfather david katz actually drove me around town to go on the
35:36auditions and i went i remember that audition like it was yesterday i went in there and i and i did the
35:41lines and they said uh could you do it again jack and this time do it really cocksure really over
35:47confident and i was like i think i can do that and in my mind i was like they fell into my trap
35:53my like main move is overconfident guy so i did it again and i just poured on all the sauce
36:00just last night i was lost in the jungle with pitfall harry surrounded by giant scorpions and cobra
36:05rattlers and man-eating crocodiles i still remember all the lines we've got the commercial we've got
36:11the commercial we've got the commercial and you do remember your lines i do and and you know often
36:16when you watch these things you kind of think oh that you know the person is unrecognizable this is
36:22just jack black young i mean it's just it's just it's it's extraordinary uh by the way do check out
36:29the state-of-the-art computer graphics in pitfall the game here we go just last night i was lost in
36:36trouble with pitfall harry surrounded by giant scorpions and man-eating crocodiles if you haven't
36:42met pitfall harry you're missing the year's most incredible video game adventure pitfall for the
36:46atari 2600 and in television pitfall designed by david crane for activision so good yeah yeah
37:01it was also the best game yeah pitfall was the best game you know what i realized while we were
37:05watching that just now is that i've been doing jungle themed since i was a child i know there's
37:12something weird about me and the jungle because we got this movie also jumanji don't forget jungle
37:17themed and that's all i can oh king kong i was in king kong jungle themed yeah what's going on here
37:22a tropic thunder tropic thunder have you been to the jungle
37:32um no i went on a safari once you did that's the jungle it was and it was one of the most terrifying
37:38things i've ever done yes it doesn't sound like you'd like that jesse well i actually typed in solo
37:44traveler adventures into the internet and found myself on the salu reserve amongst the maasai tribe when i was
37:51about 22 and i is that in africa the saloon is that yeah yeah in tanzania and i remember i got
37:58into my tent in the first night i did not sleep for a week every sound i was like
38:06and they give you like a pre-chat to be like do not open your tent there is hippos right there they
38:11will eat you if the mama has just had her baby she's really hungry and you're like okay
38:17and the only thing i could find i like i got really drunk the second night because i was like i'm just
38:23gonna have to like basically pass out to get to sleep but the only thing that i could find solace in
38:29was they had like a crate and there was like the tiniest lock on this crate that i found to lock the
38:35bottom of the tent like that was gonna like solve the hippo will go i'd like to but no listen it's been
38:49lovely talking to you all and don't forget michelle de sward is on tour from next march go see her
38:54okay it's time for music this brit award-winning singer-songwriter has given us a string of
39:02hits including another love and black friday here performing his current single when i close my
39:07eyes it is tom o'dell
39:24the house it feels so empty
39:36cause now i live alone
39:43the kid next door keeps asking me where you've gone and i tell him
39:50tell him you've gone home but when i close my eyes
39:59standing there in front of me when i close my eyes it's almost like it used to be
40:10and then i realize
40:19and then i realize
40:22and then i realize
40:25you're just a ghost
40:27maybe
40:29and then the days could be so lonely
40:41so i stay out all night
40:49my friends say take it slowly
40:52i tell them
40:57i tell them that i'll try
41:01and i tell them that i'll try
41:05and i tell them that i'll try
41:07and when i close my eyes
41:08And when I close my eyes, it's almost like it used to be, and then I realize you're just a ghost, maybe at most, a fragment of my mind.
41:31And when I close my eyes, and every thought I'd think, it cuts me like a knife, and I just want to bring, bring you back to life.
41:49Tonight the sun will set, tomorrow it will rise, and all that I've got left is when I close my eyes, you're standing there in front of me.
42:09And when I close my eyes, it's almost like it used to be, and then I realize you're just a ghost, maybe at most, a fragment of my mind.
42:32And when I close my eyes, when I close my eyes, when I close my eyes, when I close my eyes.
43:00Whoa!
43:02Tom O'Dell!
43:05How beautiful was that?
43:07And thank you to the orchestra, all 27 of them,
43:10and the conductor.
43:12Beautiful, Tom. Come on over, Tom.
43:14Here he comes.
43:17Wow.
43:19That was epic. Thank you so, so much.
43:22Tom, that's Michelle, Jesse, Jack, Paul.
43:25That is Tom O'Dell right there.
43:29Oh, they love it.
43:31Nice, say hello and there you go.
43:33Sit down too.
43:34That was gorgeous and that orchestra sounded amazing.
43:36Amazing.
43:37The polyphony orchestra, everybody.
43:39Polyphony orchestra.
43:40APPLAUSE
43:42Like, as a musician, that must feel great,
43:46having that sound behind you.
43:48Yes, I rest very peacefully last night,
43:51knowing that they were going to be here.
43:54But, yeah, they're incredible.
43:56Some of the greatest musicians in London over there,
43:58so it's a real privilege to play with them.
44:00Thank you so much.
44:01APPLAUSE
44:02Well, thank you for being here.
44:03And I...
44:05I don't want to give Paul Rudd a complex or anything,
44:07but it's another Jack Black fan on the couch.
44:10What?!
44:11Yeah, yeah.
44:12Solves.
44:13It's not a complex.
44:14Oh, my God.
44:15Yeah.
44:16My cup runneth over with Fonz.
44:18LAUGHTER
44:19It's a Fonz club.
44:20So tell me, what is it about me that you like so much?
44:24LAUGHTER
44:26I was 12 years old when School of Rock came out.
44:30Oh, nice.
44:31And playing the piano was not the coolest of choices,
44:36and that scene when you're playing The Doors.
44:39Yes!
44:40Dude, you were the age of those kids in the movie,
44:42so that must have...
44:43Yeah, it was like I was the perfect...
44:45It was the perfect time for me to watch that film.
44:47Oh, man.
44:48Let's rock today.
44:49Yeah.
44:50Yeah.
44:51Yeah.
44:52Look at you now.
44:53Thank you, brother.
44:54I love it.
44:55That track, that is one of the extra tracks
44:57on the new deluxe version of A Wonderful Life.
45:01A Wonderful Life epilogue.
45:02Yes.
45:03And is this deluxe one out now too?
45:05That came out, yeah, a few months ago.
45:06OK, brilliant.
45:07And that song...
45:09Here's the thing, recording that track in particular
45:12apparently was kind of challenging.
45:14Yeah, I've actually, like, tried to put this song
45:17on my last three albums, and it's a very emotional song,
45:22and it's kind of about grief and losing someone,
45:26but every time I came to record it, I would sing the verses fine,
45:31and then as soon as I get to the chorus,
45:33I would sing it in an Australian accent.
45:35LAUGHTER
45:36So it would be the kid next door keeps asking me
45:40where you've gone, and I tell him...
45:42I tell him you've gone home.
45:44When I close my eyes...
45:46LAUGHTER
45:48And I was OK with that.
45:51I played it to my wife and she said,
45:53you cannot put this song out.
45:55It sounds like a joke song.
45:56But I think it's that thing where it was so emotional
46:00I didn't even want to, like, confront it,
46:02so I was subconsciously trying to avoid
46:05and sort of making voices, I don't know, funny voices.
46:07And listen, real thanks for being here,
46:09because you say you just literally just finished an arena tour.
46:12Yeah, like a week ago, yeah.
46:13Yeah, where was that? You just finished in...?
46:15I finished in... Oh, God, I can't remember.
46:18Antwerp.
46:19Antwerp.
46:20Antwerp.
46:21Antwerp.
46:22Antwerp.
46:23Good night, Antwerp.
46:24Yeah.
46:25And you are off to Australia.
46:26You've got the accent already.
46:27I'm off to Australia.
46:28Yeah.
46:29Yeah, we're going...
46:30We're doing some shows over there in January.
46:31You should sing the Australian version of that song.
46:33I will.
46:35While you're there, check out some of the swamps.
46:37LAUGHTER
46:39They're beautiful this time of year.
46:40Yes.
46:41Listen, good luck with the tour of Australia.
46:43Thank you very much.
46:44Thank you for that performance.
46:45Tom O'Dell, everyone.
46:47APPLAUSE
46:49Thank you very much.
46:50That is really it where we go.
46:53Just time for a Christmas visit to the big red chair.
46:56Hello.
46:57Hello.
46:58Hi.
46:59What's your name?
47:00I'm Lynne from Chippenum and Wiltshire.
47:01Excellent.
47:02The hopes of a nation are resting on you
47:04and your Christmas jumper.
47:06What do you do in Chippenum?
47:08I'm a part-time travel money advisor.
47:11A part-time travel money advisor?
47:13It sounds like it will be full-time, but no.
47:16No.
47:17No.
47:18Only just part-time.
47:19I'd like to ask her about my travel money, but I can't.
47:22She's not on today.
47:23Call her on Tuesdays.
47:25That's her best day.
47:27Yeah.
47:28She's rested.
47:29OK.
47:30Off we go with your story.
47:31OK.
47:32So I was weirdo quite early and I spent a few years
47:34just bringing up my children.
47:35Yes.
47:36And eventually I thought, well, I need to get back out there.
47:38Yeah.
47:39And I met a young man and after a little bit of time,
47:42I decided it was time to allow him to stay over.
47:44So I said to him, well, give me ten minutes.
47:47I'm going upstairs and just follow me up in ten minutes.
47:50So I dressed seductively in underwear that you keep
47:54just for the bedroom, complete with high heels.
47:57Oh, my God.
47:58Yeah.
47:59And I sort of sprawled seductively on the bed and just waited.
48:05And I had my eyes closed in anticipation of what was to come.
48:09And I heard the door open, kept my eyes closed,
48:12because I wanted to build the moment.
48:14And all of a sudden my teenage son says,
48:16can you call me at six in the morning?
48:18I've got an early shift.
48:19LAUGHTER
48:20That's a very good story.
48:21Yeah.
48:22It's quite sweet.
48:23You can walk.
48:24You can walk.
48:25Go on.
48:26APPLAUSE
48:27OK, that really is all we've got time for.
48:29And boy, if you'd like to have a go in the red chair yourself
48:31and tell your story, you can contact us via our website.
48:34Please say a huge thank you to all of my guests tonight.
48:37Tom O'Dell.
48:40Michelle De Swart.
48:44Jesse Buckley.
48:47Jack Black.
48:49And Paul Rudd.
48:53We'll see you again on New Year's Eve with music guest
48:56Alison Limerick, the young star of adolescence,
48:58Owen Cooper,
48:59funny man Tim Key and Will Arnett,
49:01great British actress Carrie Mulligan and Tom Hiddleston,
49:04and Oscar winner Laura Dern.
49:05Until then, have a very happy Christmas.
49:07Bye-bye.
49:12Yeah, he's back on New Year's Eve at 10.30.
49:15Now, do you hear what I hear?
49:17It may just be BBC Sounds,
49:19whether you're after Mariah and Wham,
49:21or a favourite carol.
49:22Your favourite Christmas music is waiting.
49:28Yeah, I do love you,
49:30I do love you,
49:31I do love you.
49:32We're that great piers,
49:33we love you.
49:35We're that great.
49:36Yeah, that's awesome.
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