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00:00Grandmothers are safe, sweet, loving, the ones you trust most.
00:11Lois Reese, Midwestern grandmother to five kids, seemed no different.
00:17But what if this granny wasn't trustworthy at all?
00:20What if behind that smile was not just a con artist, but a killer?
00:26A 911 call came in to the Lee County Sheriff's Office from Marina Village at Snug Harbor.
00:34An innocent woman is found murdered while on vacation in Florida.
00:39The girl I know there said, my God, Barb, didn't you know Pam was murdered?
00:43It just made me sick.
00:45The victim is captured on camera with a suspect that looks just like her.
00:50It showed her with like a female companion or a female friend.
00:54And they're walking through the parking lot together, going up the elevator, walking down the hallway into the unit together.
01:01And from that point forward, I never saw the victim on surveillance footage again.
01:10I never would have thought that this is who my suspect was in this case.
01:15We believe that she was on the run.
01:18Our grandmas are the people that you can go to and be comforted when bad things happen.
01:23She was that for her grandchildren.
01:27Her grandchildren and my children were the same age and we took them everywhere together.
01:31You would never in a million years think that she could commit a crime like that.
01:36My biggest fear was, I don't want her to do this again.
01:39Everyone managed emergency?
01:58Yes, it's Marina Village at Snog Harbor Condominium.
02:02I manage the building, and there's a dead body in one of the units.
02:08Lee County investigators rushed to the condo complex to respond to the incident.
02:15Initially, when I made entrance into the unit, I did smell something that was foul.
02:20I also noticed that the air in the unit was turned down, like it was cold in there.
02:26I noticed then at the door that separates the bedroom from the master bathroom was closed,
02:33but at the base of the door, there appeared to be towels jammed at the bottom of it.
02:38That may be to keep a smell in or out, or to muffle the sound of something.
02:42And once we go in, we find that that's where the body was.
02:52The decedent was on the floor, feet towards the door.
02:56A towel was draped over the decedent's arms and head area.
03:01We were unable to see any wounds on her.
03:04It was hard to see if there was any kind of struggle.
03:06I was still up in the air with it.
03:09When the medical examiner arrives, they start lifting the sheets and towels off.
03:14You could tell that it was a female.
03:17There is a pillow near the body with what appears to be a gunshot hole through it.
03:22There's some shit on the outside of it.
03:23That was possibly used to muffle the sound of a gun being shot at close range.
03:29The female was older, I would say 60s.
03:34We saw a probable bullet wound.
03:38We then realized that it turned into a full-blown homicide that she had been killed.
03:42At that point, we did not locate a weapon.
03:49There was no indication of a struggle.
03:51There was no defensive marks, as far as we could tell, on the decedent.
03:55It looked as if she had just been taken by surprise.
04:00Marina Village at Snug Harbor is the apartment and condo complex.
04:03It's used as timeshare, so it does kind of have a transient occupancy a little bit.
04:09We got the name from the complainant of, hey, this lady is the one who checked in.
04:16We checked her driver's license.
04:18She had checked in as Pamela Hutchinson.
04:20But no one felt comfortable enough at that time, at least, to make a positive identification
04:26because of the decomp to the face and the bloating and everything.
04:30I knew I had another female.
04:32She was supposedly there by herself.
04:35I'm thinking to myself, maybe someone followed her home, tried to rob her.
04:39It turned bad.
04:40I just didn't know at that point.
04:41With their investigation stretching through the night, detectives hope an autopsy can give
04:48them some new information.
04:50They decide to wait to tell the family until they can be sure that the body is Pam Hutchinson.
04:58It was a small caliber round that killed our victim, possibly a .22 caliber.
05:04We were able to identify her through dental records.
05:07The victim in the bathroom was identified as Pamela Hutchinson.
05:13So we start making phone calls to next of Kim.
05:24I was at a local bar restaurant when Pam's cousin-in-law called me to inform me that Pam had been murdered.
05:34I was devastated.
05:36I mean, you hear about things like that happening every day to somebody else.
05:43But you don't think that can ever happen to somebody you know.
05:50I live in Bradenton, Florida, and I met Pam Hutchinson in late 2015.
05:59She was somebody that would strike up a conversation with anybody.
06:03Pam kind of had that southern hospitality.
06:10I felt like he knew her all my life.
06:12She was raised down south, and her family used to have a peanut stand where they'd sell peanuts along the road.
06:22She was from Virginia Beach.
06:25Her father died when she was real young, but she was really close to her mother.
06:29Then the mother passed away not too long before she came down here seeking a new life after she broke up with her husband.
06:39While I was searching for a place to purchase, I ran into Pam, and she said, why don't you move in with me for a while?
06:47From the start, we just clicked.
06:49From the start, we just clicked.
06:50We liked the same things, we liked to bake, we both believed in God, we both jabbered a lot.
06:56The detectives reach out to Pam's family and friends to pick up the details about Pam's trip to Fort Myers Beach.
07:08So I was living with Pam at the time she decided that she was going to go to Sanibel Island at Fort Myers Beach.
07:14She had come down to the area to be with a friend whose husband had passed, and they were going to scatter his ashes on Sanibel Island, which is an island in the area.
07:27We did text when she arrived at Fort Myers Beach.
07:30Yeah, I made it.
07:31Okay, good.
07:31Go.
07:32Have a good time.
07:34Just relax.
07:36Life is short.
07:38And then I didn't hear from her after that.
07:44I owned a timeshare at Marina Village for many years.
07:52So I called Marina Village at Snug Harbor, and I said, what's going on?
07:57The girl I know there said, my God, Barb, didn't you know Pam was murdered?
08:02And I'm just like, what?
08:06It just made me sick.
08:08I never recalled Pam having any enemies that would ever consider doing her harm.
08:21She was actually what I considered my best friend at the time.
08:28It's still hard to get over, you know?
08:31Word of Pam's death gets around fast, but her poor family doesn't have any idea who might have done it.
08:46The Fort Myers detectives keep digging, hoping they can find anything that'll point to who's behind this awful crime.
08:53The Lee County Sheriff's Office knew that Pam had come down on vacation to help a friend of hers whose husband had just died shortly before.
09:03At that point, they didn't really have a suspect.
09:07They started to look at the surveillance videos to try and see who maybe had been with Pamela at that point.
09:13When we were collecting all the evidence in the unit, we found a receipt for the Smoke and Oyster Brewery.
09:19It had a date and time stamp on it.
09:21We sent detectives to the restaurant, and they collected the video for that time stamp.
09:28We also made contact with the complainant from Marina Village at Snug Harbor and asked to review her surveillance footage.
09:38We were starting to go back to the day that our victim arrived, and watching her come in, we see what kind of car she was driving, a white Acura four-door vehicle.
09:51The footage shows that Pam is alone at the condo from April 3rd to April 5th.
10:12But what about after that?
10:15Detectives decide to take a gander at the footage they collected from April 6th at the Smoking Oyster Brewery.
10:23And that's where we see footage of our victim, but it also showed her with, like, a female companion or a female friend.
10:32The female was very talkative, very jovial, like, easy to get along with.
10:37She was talking to everybody that got close to her.
10:40So, after finishing their meal at Smoking Oyster Brewery, they both left the area together.
10:49So, did Pam go back to her condo with her new friend?
10:53The investigators checked the footage from the complex to find out.
10:58About an hour after, both of them were seen walking to the room together.
11:04They're walking through the parking lot together, going up the elevator, walking down the hallway into the unit together.
11:13A short time later, the female, which she entered with, came out kind of looking distraught.
11:20So, it was concerning at that point.
11:22It looked as if she was almost talking to herself.
11:26She was walking around.
11:27She was leaning over.
11:29Again, it looked like she was upset emotionally.
11:32And from that point forward, I never saw the victim on surveillance footage again.
11:38At that point, then, we knew who we were looking for.
11:41A white female, I would guesstimate, between 50, 60 years of age.
11:45I was surprised.
11:47I'm thinking, wow, this reminds me of my grandma.
11:52Her facade was probably of an innocent lady.
11:58You can tell something was changing in her.
12:01She had a love for the casinos, a love for gambling.
12:06It has become this odd crime spree of the most unassuming-looking grandmother.
12:13I was concerned about her trying to go to Mexico.
12:17I was like, this is a problem.
12:22When poor Pam Hutchinson is discovered shot to death in her Fort Myers rental, investigators
12:39sift through hours and hours of footage, looking for one unusual suspect in particular.
12:45I never would have thought that this is who my suspect was in this case.
12:50She had blonde hair.
12:52She wasn't very tall, maybe 5'5", 5'6".
12:55And those, again, are characteristics that were somewhat similar to our victim.
13:01At that point, I wasn't sure if it was a friend.
13:04But to me, it appeared as if she had just met this person.
13:09It was my belief that the homicide probably had occurred on April 5th, just before we saw
13:15the suspect exit the room and appear distraught.
13:21On surveillance footage, on April 6th, 2018, I no longer see our victim coming and going.
13:27I only see our suspect coming and going from the victim's room.
13:30It appeared as if she took a lot of evidence from the unit itself.
13:36She was also adorning herself in the victim's clothing, specifically a hat, I remember, and
13:42sunglasses.
13:43And it was almost as if she was assuming her identity.
13:48And we see her driving away in our victim's car at this point.
13:52Once we saw her leave with the victim's vehicle, and we no longer had her on any surveillance
14:00footage, we believed that she was on the run.
14:03She had a head start from us.
14:06From the time we last saw the suspect on surveillance to the time of the 911 call, it was about four
14:13days.
14:14We got to figure out where she's at.
14:16We start looking for our victim's car.
14:19We're putting license plates into our license plate reader system, flagging them as a homicide
14:25suspect.
14:27At that point, we knew of no witnesses.
14:30We did an extensive canvas of everyone that was in the building.
14:34Some had already come and gone.
14:35Again, this is spring break.
14:36But there's no obvious way that Pam and the gray-haired mystery lady would know each other.
14:47The only clue the guys have to work with are the two cars caught on tape at the crime scene,
14:53Pam's Acura and the other lady's Escalade.
14:57They check recent police reports to see if anything comes up.
15:00Before we found the body, our units on the beach were provided information to be on the
15:07lookout for Lois Reese from Minnesota, because they believed that she had been in the area
15:12in her white Escalade.
15:14Lois Reese had a warrant for her arrest out of Blooming Prairie, Minnesota, in reference
15:19to a fraud case.
15:21Now there's an aha moment.
15:23Their suspect was in a white Escalade, too.
15:26Could it be the same one Lois Reese was driving?
15:30It was just, let me just take a chance.
15:33Let me just see.
15:35I called the local jurisdiction up in Minnesota, but this one just kind of took me by surprise.
15:42They had a murder investigation on going there.
15:46Lois Reese was a person of interest at the time.
15:49They didn't have charges on her for murder, but her husband, David Reese, was killed.
15:53So they were looking for her.
15:56The Dodge County Sheriff's Office had mentioned that they had secured an arrest warrant for her
16:00because she withdrew approximately $11,000 from David Reese's bank account after she had
16:05fled the area.
16:07Even though the police in Minnesota figured that Lois Reese had flipped from kindly grandmother
16:13to husband killer, they could only get a warrant for the money she stole from his account.
16:18I asked them for a photo of the person of interest that they had up in Minnesota, and I took that
16:24photo, I printed it off, and as I'm watching the surveillance footage, I put it right up next
16:29to the screen, and I paused it, and I said, that's her.
16:33I spoke specifically and directly with the detectives involved with the murder investigation and the
16:41grand theft investigation, and they relayed the scene that they encountered in that area.
16:47They told me they received a call to do a welfare check on David Reese.
16:51Dave's employees had not seen him for almost two weeks, and Lois had been telling them that
17:06he was ill.
17:08On the 22nd, they saw Lois driving out in Dave's white Escalade.
17:16The employees said, something's up.
17:18So they called the local police to come and do a welfare check.
17:25Blooming Prairie police went to the house, knocked, couldn't get anybody, walked around,
17:31found an open window in the back, which is unusual because it's March in Minnesota.
17:36And they saw a body through the window that was open.
17:42They were able to make entry, get inside the house, made their way to the master bath.
17:48And the door was closed, things up against the door.
17:53They found who they believed to be David Reese in the bathroom.
17:59It did not look like the body had moved.
18:01It looked like Dave laid where he fell after he got shot twice, again covered with a towel.
18:08According to the Dodge County Sheriff's Office, David had been dead for at least a few days.
18:14And at that point, Lois was nowhere to be found.
18:18It sounded very similar to what I had found in the unit down here.
18:27The victim up in Minnesota was killed in the bathroom.
18:30It appeared to be a small caliber round.
18:33And then also a towel was draped over the decedent up in Minnesota, same as down here.
18:37The bathroom window was open to, again, let in cold air, again similar to Lois dropping the air in the unit.
18:46She turned the air down, tried to keep the smell out.
18:51I was shocked.
18:52I would have never just thought walking down the street, oh, that lady's responsible for the deaths of two people.
18:57So everything we put out at that point was, she's wanted and she's considered armed and dangerous.
19:04We needed to find her as soon as possible because my biggest fear was, I don't want her to do this again.
19:10Investigators in Florida find out that their suspect, Lois Reese, likely shot her poor husband in Minnesota two weeks before she did the same thing to Pam Hutchinson.
19:35They put the word out all over the state to be on the lookout for Lois.
19:40And then pry into her past to see if they can figure out why she did it.
19:47Lois and Dave moved to Blooming Prairie about 2005 or 2006, somewhere in there.
19:54Dave and Lois were really a friendly couple.
19:56Everybody loved to hang out with them and laugh with them.
20:00Lois was born and raised in Rochester, Minnesota.
20:04Dave also grew up in Rochester.
20:06Lois dropped out of high school as a junior and was already dating Dave.
20:12They got married and had three children very quickly.
20:18Lois, she just had this instant draw.
20:22She was just super fun, very sweet, great laugh, and just makes you feel very comfortable.
20:29Lois, for many years, while her children were young especially, had a daycare in her home.
20:35If you went to Lois' daycare, you were privileged.
20:40Like, she, everybody wanted Lois to watch her kids.
20:43She was phenomenal.
20:45She was a good mom and a good grandmother and did the things that good moms and grandmas are supposed to do.
20:54Our grandmas are the people that you can go to and be comforted when bad things happen.
21:01Lois was bad for her grandchildren.
21:02Her grandchildren and my children were the same age, and we took them everywhere together, bringing them to, like, the zoo and the beach and just doing lots of fun stuff.
21:15She's just, like, the sweetest little grandma.
21:17Dave was a jolly, fun guy.
21:24If you were in a bad mood, sit by Dave, because he'd have you laughing in a minute.
21:28He had this infectious, deep laugh.
21:31Always told jokes.
21:32Loved to talk about fishing.
21:34That was his favorite thing to do.
21:35Dave ran a waxworm business, so he actually grew waxworms from nothing, and they would sell them at fisheries, bait shops, stuff like that.
21:50Lois seemed very happy.
21:51So did Dave.
21:54Never would have guessed there was, like, deeper problems involved.
21:58I think it wasn't until later on in the years where you can tell something was changing in her.
22:08Everyone knew that Lois and Dave liked to go to the casino, especially Lois.
22:13It was something that a lot of the Blooming Prairie people their age did on the weekends.
22:21Later on, when she would call me and be like, hey, can I use you for an excuse?
22:28I'm going to the casino, and I don't want Dave to know.
22:32That's when I kind of realized that maybe it was getting a little too much.
22:39She had confided a couple times, just exhausted, and I said to her, I'm like, you're going to snap.
22:50I panicked because then we find out Dave's dead, and Lois is nowhere to be found.
22:56She's not answering my phone calls, not texting me back.
22:59So then I'm like, oh, my gosh, did something happen to her?
23:02Was she kidnapped?
23:03Was she murdered and taken away?
23:05Like, I had no idea.
23:09Two weeks later, Lois has managed to avoid Minnesota police for killing her husband
23:18and Florida police for killing Pam.
23:21And the cops realized that she could already be days and miles ahead of them.
23:26So while they look for her, they try to figure out what she was up to right before she killed Pam.
23:33So prior to the homicide, we had learned that Lois Reese was spotted on Fort Myers Beach
23:40by Tess Coster, a part-time resident of Florida.
23:44We were part-time here and part-time in Minnesota.
23:49Tess was from Blooming Prairie, and so she was aware of the murder investigation that was happening
23:54up in that area at the time and knew about Lois Reese and what she may be wanted for.
24:00On April 2nd, I was cleaning my garage.
24:11Then I saw this pearl-colored Cadillac Escalade pull up in our driveway, and someone got out,
24:18looked at the house number, and so I stepped out of the garage and said, can I help you?
24:22And she looked up, and just shock was in her eyes, and she said, wrong house, wrong house,
24:27and looked down like this and shook her head and went around to her Escalade and got in
24:33and drove away.
24:36Well, my heart just started pounding because here was Lois Reese in my driveway.
24:44When she saw the person who she believed to be Lois in the driveway, it scared her, and
24:50she wanted to make, you know, the sheriff's office aware down here, which she did, but
24:55unfortunately, she was able to stay hidden from us.
24:59A few days later, Lois Reese killed our victim.
25:04I'm thinking she was after me first.
25:07She got fouled out because I saw her and called 911 on her.
25:11She had a plan in mind, but Tess interrupted that, and so instead of moving forward at that
25:17point, she just took a step back and went another way.
25:22The detectives figured that Lois switched gears and decided that someone like Pam wouldn't
25:28see her coming.
25:30Lois was clearly desperate.
25:33She was definitely looking for more money and more options.
25:36In homicides that I've worked, everything has a reason, and this reason in my mind was
25:44to assume the identity of the victim and use it for what she could.
25:50I think she targeted her because they were similar.
25:54Someone like-minded, similar characteristics, skin color, hair, age.
26:00She's already committed two murders, and she's still in the wind.
26:04We did search warrants on her cell phone.
26:09We did search warrants on the financial information for Lois, but then also for our victim as well.
26:14She had made several withdrawals from ATMs using the victim's information a couple days
26:21after the murder.
26:23We also have her on video up in the Ocala area, Central Florida, checking into a hotel under
26:29the identity of our victim, wearing the same hat that our victim had in her room.
26:33However, by the time I found this, Lois had already come and gone.
26:38We know we have you.
26:40We just got to find you, and you're assuming the identity of our victim.
26:44Double-murdering granny, Lois Reese, has a jump on Lee County cops, so they cast a wider net
27:01across the south to see if they can catch back up.
27:05Sure enough, another clue turns up.
27:07We had tracked her to a casino in Louisiana and found out that she hit a jackpot for $1,500.
27:19She actually used her own name and ID to claim the winnings.
27:23She did have a gambling addiction, and that may very well be a good reason as to why Lois
27:30used her own information to collect the winning.
27:33She felt proud.
27:36It made me mad that she just seemed to be out there enjoying herself and just continuing
27:42to live her life, knowing that she had committed one murder in Florida and most likely another
27:48one in Minnesota.
27:50But Lois is slippery.
27:53She's long gone days before police get the alert, and they're once again left chasing her
27:59shadow.
27:59I was able to present the case to the state attorney's office and walked a warrant through
28:06for the murder, at which point then that went nationwide.
28:11We alerted everybody that we could, federal agencies, state law enforcement, local agencies,
28:17anywhere and everywhere that we think she may be going.
28:20We made them aware to be on the lookout for, one, Lois Reese herself, but then also the vehicle
28:24that she was driving.
28:25It became an all-points bulletin across the United States.
28:31They put up bulletin boards around lots of different areas, Texas, Louisiana, Florida,
28:36with Pamela's picture and information on it.
28:38So it became more than just a Florida or a Minnesota story.
28:42It became a coast-to-coast story.
28:45Lois became known, very well known, as the killer grandma.
28:48With Lois' escape route now crossing state lines, the heat gets turned way up.
28:57The hunt for granny is now nationwide.
29:01People wanted answers, and people needed to know.
29:04I mean, she knew a lot of people in that town.
29:08Do you think she's around here?
29:10Do you think she might shoot anybody else?
29:12The whole entire community was completely shocked and very sad, very sad.
29:19Like I said, everybody loved Dave, everybody loved Lois.
29:22So it was mad at Lois.
29:26It was sad about Dave.
29:27It was a very crazy dynamic that was going on there.
29:31I had to actually turn the TVs off and not let anyone turn them on
29:35because my sons were small, and Dave and Lois were grandma and grandpa to them.
29:45My thoughts on seeing Lois wearing Pam's clothes,
29:50I can't hardly comprehend it right now because it really bothers me.
29:57It's just so abusive.
30:01It's just a terrible reminder of what happened to Pam.
30:05I definitely wanted her caught.
30:08Please, God, get her before she kills another woman.
30:13Killer granny Lois is just leaving chaos in her wake.
30:17But the search stretches into another week without the cops catching up to her.
30:23However, they do catch the news that she's headed south.
30:28There were several other license plate reader hits along a route to Texas heading south.
30:35I had a thought that she would be trying to leave the country.
30:42Who knows where she's going next, but I think we know she could kill someone again
30:46because that's already happened twice.
30:49We were tracking Lois through license plate readers on the victim's car.
30:53Eventually, it came to South Padre Island.
31:00South Padre Island, Texas, very close to the border.
31:02On April 19th, we received information from the U.S. Marshals Service that she had went into a bar and restaurant called Dirty Owls
31:14and basically was looking at a menu.
31:16And the manager there actually recognized her and called in a tip to the local police department in a marshal's service.
31:25When the marshals got to South Padre, they canvassed the area and actually located the vehicle at a restaurant right adjacent to Dirty Owls.
31:34They got the marshals rallied and trooped up, and Lois was by then sitting in the bar
31:42and yucking it up like she didn't have a care in the world.
31:46I was elated.
31:48She wasn't going to be able to keep this up forever.
31:50Cops have been looking everywhere for double-murdering grandma Lois Reese.
32:05But the U.S. Marshals finally catch up, and she's just sitting there sipping a drink in South Padre,
32:12just a hop, skip, and a jump from Mexico.
32:15This cadre of marshals moved in, four or five of them, and said,
32:21we're going to take you outside.
32:23Don't make a scene.
32:25There was no resistance from Lois, and it was very interesting to me how just calm, cool, and collected she was.
32:32She didn't fight.
32:32She didn't resist.
32:33She didn't ask a bunch of questions.
32:36She got up off her chair, and out they went.
32:41She almost just went willingly with the authorities.
32:45I think Lois knew that she was caught, that it was done.
32:51There was a bulletin over the Associated Press that she had been arrested.
32:57When I heard that they had caught her at South Padre Island, it was really a relief.
33:04It was like, this is one closure.
33:08They caught her.
33:09The grandma killer.
33:10Arrangements were made for us to fly out to South Padre Island.
33:18We knew we wanted to speak with her, and we were hoping that she would speak with us.
33:22I remember her being led from the holding cell into the interview room, and she kind of just looked right through me.
33:31And so instead of her being the outgoing, jovial person that we see, once she was caught, her whole demeanor changed.
33:39She was defeated almost.
33:41And without saying another word, she said she wanted an attorney.
33:48With Lois lawyered up, there's no way she's going to confess.
33:52So it's up to the cops to find some physical evidence that can tie this granny to the two murders.
33:58She had secured a hotel room at a Motel 6 just down the street.
34:06According to hotel receipts, Lois checked in on April 9th.
34:11She lived a good life for 10 days before they caught up to her.
34:14We were able to secure search warrants for the motel room where she was staying at, and we found two handguns, a 9mm and a .22 caliber.
34:24The .22 caliber specifically we believe to be the murder weapon.
34:30We found the victim's clothing and specifically the hat that was shown on surveillance footage of her wearing at the bank at the hotel after she had committed the murder.
34:41Also, something of note was a black bag, kind of like a go bag.
34:46And inside there was latex gloves, there was duct tape, there was our victim's personal information, her wallet, driver's license.
34:58I think that Lois, in her desperation, because she was, I'm sure, getting antsy wanting to gamble with this addiction of hers,
35:07I think she knew that Pam had money.
35:11I think she killed Pamela to get another car and to get more money.
35:17And so she clearly had a bit of a pattern.
35:21So she gets to South Padre Island.
35:24She goes and finds herself a spot to sit and kind of blend in and start hunting.
35:32We did an extensive canvas and we spoke with numerous people that she came into contact with.
35:40We were able to confirm with a lot of witnesses.
35:43She was just having a great time hanging with people, having drinks at the bar, hanging out by the pool.
35:50She told some people that she was a grandmother, she had kids, grandkids, that she was a widow, that her husband died recently.
35:58Her facade was probably of an innocent lady.
36:01Anybody will talk to her.
36:06I came across a lady who said that she interacted often with Lois.
36:11They went to dinner together.
36:13She actually invited her at one point back to her own house.
36:17She had kind of befriended Lois.
36:20I remember specifically she had different color hair.
36:22But I also know that in the search warrant at the motel room, there was hair dye that we collected.
36:28It was a dark color, just like the witness out there.
36:32And she possibly thought that she might be her next victim.
36:36I do think she was planning on killing somebody in South Padre also, and getting a new identity to go across the border.
36:47So between this gal in South Padre and myself, we're very lucky that we're still here.
36:52It was a relief that she'd been caught, that the so-called manhunt for the killer grandma was over, and now came a hard part, the court case.
37:04This was a seminal moment for this case.
37:07The court proceedings facing here in Florida and in Minnesota as well.
37:11After she led the cops on a many-state wild goose chase, killer granny Lois Reese has to face the music for killing Pam Hutchinson in Florida and her husband, David Reese, in Minnesota.
37:35So in Florida, she was charged with first-degree homicide.
37:38She was also charged in Minnesota with first-degree homicide.
37:43Based on the crime, death penalty was on the table for her.
37:48Once Lois is locked up and staring down the consequences, including the possibility of the death penalty, she suddenly has a change of heart.
37:59I eventually heard that Lois pled guilty to the crime of murder down here in exchange for the death penalty being taken off the table.
38:08I wanted it to go to trial.
38:16They claimed that they didn't want to put the family through any extra whatever, but I'd have been in court every day.
38:25I wanted no mercy for her.
38:27On December 18, 2019, in Lee County Court, Lois pled guilty to murder.
38:34It became a huge story.
38:38Major breaking news.
38:40The so-called killer grandma on Fort Myers Beach will spend the rest of her life in prison after pleading guilty.
38:45Once the case was wrapped up in Florida, she was then transported up to Minnesota, where she also entered a plea of guilty up there.
38:54All investigators can hope is that Lois' statement just shows us all how she went from loving grandmother to husband killer, and everything spiraled from there down the path of fraud and murder.
39:09Lois' story is that he was mad, and they had argued, and that he walked into their bedroom, and he had a .22 in his bedroom, handed her the gun, and said, well, why don't you just kill yourself?
39:26She claims that that just set her off, and she said, I aimed right at his heart, and I pulled the trigger.
39:40I didn't believe that.
39:42Based on where he was in the bathroom, I mean, if she did have that argument outside of the bathroom where the guns were kept, she's not moving that man into the bathroom.
39:50That's why I think she snuck up on him, just like she probably did our victim in Fort Myers Beach.
39:57Everything's a lie with her.
40:04Lois' addiction, from what the authorities in Minnesota told me, was gambling.
40:08She had a love for the casinos, a love for gambling, and that was part of the problem that she had with her husband, from what I was told.
40:16The waxworm farm was successful, but it was not making money because Lois was spending it all, and asking Dave for more money, and not terribly long before he was killed, he said, I'm done.
40:32I'm cutting her off.
40:34And I just think that everything caught up with her.
40:37That's the only thing I could think of why she would do any of this, is just a legit mental breakdown.
40:46She finally reached a breaking point, and she chose the most drastic route.
40:53In Florida, she got a life sentence, and eventually she got the same in Minnesota.
40:59It was just so sad that, you know, to lose a friend, and lose Dave, and lose her, and you want to still love them because you're your friend, but what she did was so horrible.
41:19And to this day, it's still crazy to me.
41:22Like, I just don't, I still can't wrap my head around it.
41:25Dave was fantastic.
41:33His laugh was so contagious.
41:36If you ever heard his laugh, you will never forget it.
41:39Super friendly.
41:41He loved to, like, give hugs, and he was just so great.
41:45One of my favorite memories of Pam, when she would come home, if I wasn't up, she'd wake me up, and we'd sit there and talk for two, three hours until I'd finally say, Pam, I've got to go to bed.
42:02And we would jabber-jabber for hours, just talk and laugh and joke.
42:07She just had a good heart.
42:09She had a very good heart.
42:10I mean, the ripple effects of not only her murder victims, but people who love them, her own children, her own grandchildren.
42:25I mean, oh, God, the pain.
42:29I feel like Lois kind of tainted the grandmother image for all of us.
42:33I have ten grandkids myself, love them all dearly, talk about them all the time, just like she does.
42:40And as a grandmother myself, I can't imagine being less than the best example I can be for my grandchildren.
42:48And that's how it should be.
42:50That's just how it should be.
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