The Tragedy of Rob Reiner... Twitter/X Space

Stefan Molyneux

Stefan Molyneux examines the deaths of director Rob Reiner and his wife, with their son Nick as the prime suspect. He discusses childhood trauma and addiction, referring to Dr. Gabor Maté's ideas. Molyneux considers tensions from a family argument at a party, along with critiques of Rob's political rhetoric. He stresses the value of emotional intimacy and relationships with loved ones.  SUBSCRIBE TO ME ON X! https://x.com/StefanMolyneux  Follow me on Youtube! https://www.youtube.com/@freedomain1  GET MY NEW BOOK 'PEACEFUL PARENTING', THE INTERACTIVE PEACEFUL PARENTING AI, AND THE FULL AUDIOBOOK! https://peacefulparenting.com/  Join the PREMIUM philosophy community on the web for free!  Subscribers get 12 HOURS on the "Truth About the French Revolution," multiple interactive multi-lingual philosophy AIs trained on thousands of hours of my material - as well as AIs for Real-Time Relationships, Bitcoin, Peaceful Parenting, and Call-In Shows!  You also receive private livestreams, HUNDREDS of exclusive premium shows, early release podcasts, the 22 Part History of Philosophers series and much more!  See you soon! https://freedomain.locals.com/support/promo/UPB2025

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00:00:00Good afternoon, everybody. Tuesday, December the 16th, 2025, and we're here to talk about

00:00:08Rob Reiner. Happy to get your thoughts about it. As well, it is a horrifying, horrible

00:00:15situation. As a philosopher, and particularly as a moral philosopher, I am wedded to examining

00:00:22causation. I don't believe, and this is sometimes to my detriment, but I don't believe that there

00:00:28are many accidents in life. I don't believe that there are many coincidences in life, and so looking

00:00:34at causality is the best thing that we can get out of these kinds of tragedies. So let's just start

00:00:41with some bare-bones facts in case people are listening to this later. What happened? Rob Reiner,

00:00:46of course, an acclaimed director and actor and producer, and his wife, Michelle Singer Reiner,

00:00:53were found dead in their Brentwood home on Los Angeles, December 14th, two days ago, 2025,

00:00:58from apparent stab wounds. The story is that they had their throats slashed, and the prime suspect,

00:01:05of course, who is under arrest and being held on a $4 million bail is their son, Nick Reiner. The Los

00:01:13Angeles Police Department has launched a homicide investigation into the deaths, so reports indicate

00:01:19the couple's throats were slit during a heated argument with a family member. Now, the first

00:01:24place that I go to, and I did a whole show about this, whole conversation about this, such a true

00:01:29crime thing, was on the Menendez brothers. The Menendez brothers killed their parents and said that

00:01:36their parents had sexually abused them, in particular their father, for many years. Now, there's no evidence

00:01:43with this with Rob Reiner. However, I will say this is all just speculation, right? Nobody knows for

00:01:52sure. They're all just speculation. But I will say this, that in my conversations with, in particular,

00:01:58Dr. Gabor Maté, who said that every single drug addict he came across when working in Vancouver had

00:02:05been severely abused and often sexually abused as a child. No proof, right? Obviously. But something

00:02:12causes a child of 14 or 15 to get horrendously addicted to heroin. And then he had, I think,

00:02:19about 17 rehab stints over the course of his teenage life, the son, Nick. And in doing some research,

00:02:26I did come across a roast, I think it was from the year 2000, where Al Franken was making, I hate to say

00:02:35jokes because they're not jokes. I don't understand the humor at all, at all. But was talking about how

00:02:40in his commentary, not a direct accusation, of course, I guess it would be classified in the

00:02:47realm of humor, though not a humor that I understand at all, that Al Franken was talking about Rob Reiner's

00:02:53father, Carl Reiner, inviting friends over to have sexual, to sexually abuse his son. And again,

00:03:02I know that's a roast. It's a, I don't understand the humor. I don't understand the humor. It's not

00:03:07funny. It's horrendous. So, it's not proof of anything. I'm just saying it's disturbing as hell.

00:03:13So, why is Nick Reiner under suspicion? So, details are limited. The LAPD has not released

00:03:21specifics about evidence or charges beyond confirming he's been booked for murder and is being held on

00:03:25this $4 million bail. Multiple reports indicate the following factors may have contributed.

00:03:30A recent argument, family friends reported that Nick and Rob Reiner had a heated argument

00:03:34on Saturday evening, December 13th, 2025, at a party hosted by Conan O'Brien. Witnesses noted

00:03:41Nick acting strangely during the event. There were no signs of forced entry at the home,

00:03:46suggesting the perpetrator was likely someone known to the family. And this, I said as soon as I heard

00:03:50the news, Rob Reiner is worth like half a billion dollars or something like that, and very famous,

00:03:55very wealthy, and very controversial, at least on the right, much more accepted on the left.

00:04:02But, I said, they would have crazy security. It had to be an inside job, right? Because you'd just

00:04:09wander into Rob Reiner's house, right? Family involvement. Police sources mentioned interviewing

00:04:14a family member in connection with the deaths, and the bodies were discovered by one of the

00:04:17couple's children, reportedly their daughter, Romy. So, with regards to background of family

00:04:21tensions, Nick has a well-documented history of drug addiction, having cycled through rehab multiple

00:04:26times as a teenager and experiencing homelessness. He co-wrote the 2015 film, Being Charlie,

00:04:32with his father, which was semi-autobiographical, and explored these struggles. Sort of reminds me

00:04:38of Beautiful Boy with Timothee Chalamet. While he was reportedly clean since around 2015, the family

00:04:44had endured significant strain from his issues in the past. Now, as far as the clean parts or the clean

00:04:50thing going, there had apparently, at least there are some reports, that he had relapsed recently, and this

00:04:56was a source of continuing ongoing tension. No motive has been publicly stated. The investigation

00:05:01is ongoing, but the cause of death to be confirmed by the coroner's office. So, details have emerged

00:05:06from family sources cited in media reports about the conflict at Conan's party. The heated argument

00:05:14reportedly centered on concerns over Nick's ongoing mental health struggles and alleged substance abuse

00:05:19issues with Rob and Michelle Reiner expressing frustration that they had tried everything to help

00:05:25in recent months. The exchange was described as very loud, audible to many attendees, and involved

00:05:30Michelle as well, escalated to the point where Rob and Michelle left the party early. It's not particularly

00:05:35clear if Nick did too. This incident occurred just hours before Rob and Michelle were found stabbed to death

00:05:40in their Brentwood home the next day, with Nick arrested as the suspect. So, for those of you who don't know,

00:05:45because I guess Rob Reiner has been a little bit out of the public eye since this absolutely astounding

00:05:50run of movies that he had in the 80s and 90s. Rob Reiner, born not March 6, 1947, in the Bronx,

00:06:00New York, was the son of a very legendary comedian, Carl Reiner, and began his career in entertainment as an

00:06:06actor. He gained widespread fame in the 70s for his role as Michael Meathead Stivik on the hit sitcom

00:06:11All in the Family, earning two Emmy Awards for his performance. I never watched All in the Family,

00:06:17but I've been watching some clips since. It's horrible. It's horrible stuff. It's anti-white,

00:06:21anti-Christian, anti-lower class, very elitist, and just absolutely wretched. It's really far more

00:06:27propaganda than comedy. But of course, a lot of people who do propaganda are very good at being

00:06:32funny, because when you laugh, your defenses are lowered, and you're more likely to believe false,

00:06:37appalling, and terrible things. All right, that's just my particular opinion. In the 80s,

00:06:44Rob Reiner transitioned to directing, debuting with the mockumentary This Is Spinal Tap, which

00:06:48became a cult classic. Oh, gosh, my friends were mad about that movie, quoting it all the time. It

00:06:53was like the Monty Python. And I actually, of strange coincidence, a couple of days before Rob Reiner

00:06:58was murdered, I watched Spinal Tap again. And again, I just saw this, you know, anti-white,

00:07:04anti-Christian, anti-American, just contempt a lot. I mean, even in All in the Family, there's a

00:07:13conversation between the Kyle Reiner character and the Carol O'Connor character about how terrible the

00:07:20American national anthem is and all that kind of stuff, right? So he did This Is Spinal Tap,

00:07:27the film Stand By Me with River Phoenix, and gosh, who else was in that? Just about everyone.

00:07:33Will Wheaton was in it, Kiefer Sutherland, and so on. It's an adaptation of a Stephen King story.

00:07:40The Princess Bride, When Harry Met Sally, Misery, A Few Good Men, and this was, of course, an

00:07:46incredible run of movies. He later did The American President, 1995, Ghosts of Mississippi, 1996,

00:07:52and documentaries like God and Country, 2024, which has the usual liberal obsession with the terror

00:07:58that is engendered by any kind of Christian nationalism for sort of obvious reasons. He

00:08:04was a prominent political activist. He co-founded the American Foundation for Equal Rights, advocate

00:08:09for same-sex marriages, frequently commenting on social issues. He was a vocal liberal activist,

00:08:15leveraged his fame to champion progressive causes throughout his life. And he was a prolific

00:08:21Democrat fundraiser. He donated hundreds of thousands of dollars to candidates and causes,

00:08:26actively campaigned for Howard Dean in his 2004 presidential bid, Hillary Clinton in 2008,

00:08:33this including Rob Reiner hosting events and endorsements, and Kamala Harris in 2024,

00:08:37with a high-profile fundraiser at his home. Also, Reiner was a fierce, if not downright deranged,

00:08:45half-psychotic, and fanatical critic of Donald Trump, and used social media public platforms to

00:08:50denounce him. There's reports that he met with some pretty dark-eyed people to promote the Russia

00:08:56collusion conspiracy hoax, which was kind of like an overthrow. And he earned tributes from leaders

00:09:04like Barack Obama, Gavin Newsom for his lifelong commitment, and so on, right? You know, one of the

00:09:10big watershed tests was COVID, right? You find out people's real feelings, thoughts, and nature over

00:09:18the course of something like COVID, and in particular, the question of vaccination. You know,

00:09:23it's always deeply, deeply disturbing and wretched when people call other people Nazis and then are

00:09:31big fans of semi-compelled medical treatments with very little informed consent. Because that's,

00:09:39I mean, the whole Nuremberg Code was developed out of the Nazi and also the Japanese atrocities

00:09:43are forced medical treatments. And so, when people say, oh, everyone else is a Nazi,

00:09:50and they then themselves advocate for forced medical treatments, or at least highly compelled

00:09:54medical treatments, that is really, really terrible. So, Rob Reiner referred to those opposing

00:10:01vaccines, including unvaccinated individuals, as part of an ignorant minority that was tyrannizing

00:10:07the majority. In a September 2021 tweet, he stated, whether it's vaccines, voting rights, climate change,

00:10:12or investigating a deadly insurrection, was sick and tired of being tyrannized by an ignorant

00:10:16minority. Enough, let majority rule.

00:10:19Um, yeah. So, I think by majority rule, he means force people to take the vaccine, because that,

00:10:24that would be it, right? And this was, of course, quite common on the left, particularly among media

00:10:31figures. Did Rob Reiner compare Trump and his supporters to Hitler, Nazism, or fascism? Yep.

00:10:37Rob Reiner compared or accused Donald Trump of being like Adolf Hitler on at least three

00:10:42documented occasions in public interviews and statements, often framing Trump as a demagogue

00:10:46or his influence as akin to Nazi Germany. It's tough because the criticisms are so frequent.

00:10:52It's a recurring theme. Here are some known incident, instances. July 27th, 2016, MSNBC's

00:10:59Morning Joe. Reiner likened Trump to Hitler, along with cult leaders like David Koresh and Jim Jones.

00:11:05As a demagogue, people blindly follow, stating, quote,

00:11:08That's the power of a demagogue. That's what they do. They spread words. Listen,

00:11:12we follow all kinds of crazy people in the world. We follow, you know, Hitler, David Koresh,

00:11:16Jim Jones. People follow all kinds of people if they're loud and they scream and they say these

00:11:19crazy things. December 7th, 2023, interview on Norman Lear's legacy. Reiner described Trump as

00:11:26embodying the fascism that Lear fought against, tying it to authoritarianism with Nazi undertones.

00:11:31September 18th, 2025, podcast appearance. Reiner compared the direction of America under Trump to

00:11:37Nazi Germany, referencing his mentor Norman Lear's WW2 bombing missions over Nazi territories and

00:11:43expressing fears of similar authoritarianism. Reiner also made related comments, such as a 2010

00:11:49remark about the Tea Party, that's the taxed enough already party movement, which Trump later

00:11:54championed, selling fear and anger like Hitler and frequently called Trump a fascist in other

00:12:00contexts. And it was all pretty wretched. All pretty wretched. Now, I did comment that Charlie

00:12:11Kirk did not call people fascists and racists and so on. And somebody produced a tweet, probably seems

00:12:20true, where Charlie Kirk referred to Joe Biden as a fascist. Now, it's part of the

00:12:30challenges of the English language. I said he didn't call people as multiple people. He didn't

00:12:34refer to an entire movement as a fascist. I don't believe that he ever said that everybody who follows

00:12:39Biden or is a Democrat is a fascist or anything like that. So when I said people, I was referring to

00:12:47the sort of collectivist stuff that Rob Reiner was saying about all of these kinds of people.

00:12:58So I'm just looking up something that Rob Reiner wrote about the MAGA movement as a whole. He referred

00:13:10to MAGA scum and all of the evils that the MAGA people were involved with. And in general, it was

00:13:21more than half the population as a whole. I guess Trump won the popular vote, right? Even against

00:13:29the massive headwind of all of this. But Rob Reiner referred to all of this sort of stuff. Let me just

00:13:36get the quote here. Here we go. So what did he say? Rob Reiner wrote, after speaking with many

00:13:43government sources who indicate direct connection between Donald Trump and Putin, investigation must

00:13:47happen before Donald Trump is installed. Right? Russia hacks our election to help Donald Trump.

00:13:53FBI violates hatch acting colludes with Trump. He's an illegitimate president. Anyway, I just sort of

00:14:00goes on and on and on that he accused Donald Trump of colluding with Russia to steal the election.

00:14:09Episode of Real Time with Bill Maher. November 2021. Reiner stated regarding the unvaccinated,

00:14:15I don't want you walking around if you haven't been vaccinated. I don't want you walking around

00:14:20if you haven't been vaccinated. In another post around the same time, he referred to a pro-Trump

00:14:29website or platform as vile, racist, and evil, stating it did not take long for MAGA scum to

00:14:35come and spread their lies. He described Trumpism and MAGA as fascist, warning that electing Trump would

00:14:41lead to the end of American democracy with supporters enabling authoritarianism. He framed MAGA as a cult-like

00:14:47movement and oblivious to the dangers of their choice. MAGA supporters are scum. MAGA scum. Well,

00:14:57that's not good. That's not good. That is dehumanizing language. And that is the kind of

00:15:04language, look, I'm not obviously accusing him of directly incentivizing violence or directly

00:15:08calling for violence or anything like that. Although, I did not find instances where he had

00:15:13condemned left-wing violence. He did condemn ISIS violence from time to time, but I didn't find any

00:15:19places where he had condemned the violence on the left, in particular Antifa and other sort of

00:15:25groups. So, I don't want to sort of get too much into the weeds here, which is sort of a self-defining

00:15:33statement. But it's all come to a bit of a head regarding Trump's tweet. This is causing people

00:15:41to lose their minds about this. So, this is what Trump wrote yesterday, 9.51 a.m., December 15th.

00:15:52He wrote, a very sad thing happened last night in Hollywood. Rob Reiner, a tortured and struggling,

00:15:57but once very talented movie director and comedy star, has passed away together with his wife,

00:16:01Michelle, reportedly due to the anger he caused others through his massive, unyielding, and

00:16:05incurable affliction with a mind-crippling disease known as Trump derangement syndrome,

00:16:10sometimes referred to as TDS. He was known to have driven people crazy by his raging obsession

00:16:15of President Donald J. Trump, with his obvious paranoia reaching new heights as the Trump

00:16:19administration surpassed all goals and expectations of greatness. And with the golden age of America

00:16:23upon us, perhaps like never before, may Rob and Michelle rest in peace. This is, I just speak,

00:16:31just speak personally, just speak personally. And I see people want to chat, and we'll get to it in a

00:16:35second. This is, this is hard for me to understand why people are so bothered. Rob Reiner spent over a

00:16:43decade raging against Trump, comparing him to Hitler, calling him a fascist, and his supporters a scum,

00:16:50and may have worked to try and get him investigated, and so on. Now, I don't, again, I'm happy to be

00:17:01schooled on this. I really am. I'm happy to be corrected. I'm happy to get all the pushback in the

00:17:08known universe. Really am. Because if I'm wrong about this, well, I don't want to be wrong about

00:17:13things. I don't want to be wrong about things as a whole. But I have trouble understanding

00:17:19why, when he said, look, it's very sad, rest in peace, and so on, did, if it was Nick, right? If

00:17:27it does turn out to be Nick. And I mean, that seems likely, I mean, you know, innocent until proven

00:17:32guilty. But if it does turn out to be Nick, I strongly doubt that it was Rob Reiner's bottomless

00:17:40hatred towards Trump and MAGA, which is, you know, MAGA is significantly Christian. So I assume that

00:17:47there's some anti-Christian bias in there. I think Rob Reiner was an atheist. I'm not sure.

00:17:53Certainly very secular. But I don't think that if it was Nick that this was the result of

00:18:00Rob Reiner's endless hatred of Trump. It does seem like an odd thing to do in your sunset years to

00:18:07spend all of this time raging and hating about politics and so on. But I don't agree with Trump's

00:18:17characterization that Rob Reiner's contempt for Trump caused this. I mean, who knows? I doubt it.

00:18:24I don't believe in that. But here's what I don't understand is that when somebody is really that

00:18:34political and that aggressive to the point where he's saying that people who are unvaccinated should

00:18:41not be out of their homes, that's insanely evil, by the by. Like, that's insanely evil,

00:18:48that position. That people who choose not to get vaccinated when, I mean, it was the one, two,

00:18:57three punch with COVID, right? One, they only tested it for a couple of months.

00:19:02So they can't say safe and effective. They even said safe for pregnancy. They can't say that.

00:19:07It's not even the length of a pregnancy. Safe and effective, only tested for a couple of months,

00:19:12number one. Number two, they hit the fucking data. They would not release the testing data.

00:19:18They wanted, what, 75 years until a judge ruled otherwise? And number three,

00:19:23they demanded immunity from liability. If something is safe, then you should not need

00:19:32immunity from liability. If you demand immunity from liability, you cannot also claim that it is

00:19:36safe. So I understand why some people took the vaccine. I understand why some people chose not to

00:19:45take the vaccine. But the idea, and this was shared by Howard Stern and a lot of other people,

00:19:51that people who chose not to take this experimental medical intervention, that they should not be

00:20:00allowed to walk around in society, is deranged and completely corrupt and immoral. Hysterical.

00:20:10Rob Bryner wrote, September 2nd, 2020, Donald Trump has essentially shot and killed hundreds of

00:20:16thousands of Americans on Fifth Avenue, continues to do it every day, and he's right. His cult doesn't care.

00:20:21But the rest of the U.S. do. In 42 days, we will arrest the killer.

00:20:25Rob Bryner wrote, been trying to figure out why Trump has never said anything negative about

00:20:30Vladimir Putin. After watching the Stormy Daniels interview, I think I've got a handle on it.

00:20:33It involves Putin, Trump's ass, and a rolled-up magazine. September 16th, 2020, the President of

00:20:39the United States is a premeditated murderer, and the media that covers his disinformation is an

00:20:43accomplice. September 15th, there's no other way to put it, says Rob. The President of the

00:20:48United States is committing premeditated murder. And of course, the day after Rush Limbaugh,

00:20:53the famous conservative, the most famous conservative radio show host, the day after

00:20:58Rush Limbaugh died, Rob Bryner attacked the late conservative radio host as a purveyor of

00:21:02disinformation, saying that the Americans must protect democracy from others like him.

00:21:06He called Rush Limbaugh a liar, warning that other conservative media personalities are trying

00:21:11to deny climate change. So, when you call someone a premeditated murderer and say he's an illegitimate

00:21:19president, accuse him of colluding with a foreign adversary, which I'm no lawyer, would seem to be

00:21:27would fall into the category of treason, which has the death penalty if convicted in some instances.

00:21:32I don't know why everyone's

00:21:36freaking out about Trump's tweet. And again, I'm very, very happy to be schooled on this.

00:21:42I mean, I'm raised Christian.

00:21:45I'm raised a Christian. And in Christianity, the way that I was raised, maybe it was a little bit

00:21:55more male back in the day. I know it was. I went to a boarding school where I got most of my

00:22:01religious education, and I was in the choir, and I went to Sunday school, and we went to church

00:22:08two or three times a week, got a lot of education on Christianity. And what I was taught was that

00:22:17we should celebrate the end of wickedness. Now, I don't think we should celebrate this. It's an

00:22:24awful, tragic, horrible situation. But the idea that it's complete anathema within Christianity

00:22:31to refrain from mourning someone who wished your utter destruction, I don't understand it.

00:22:41I don't, okay? Because, I mean, I understand the Jesus thing, like on the cross, right? Saying,

00:22:47forgive them, Father, they know not what they do, right? I get that. But in Proverbs,

00:22:53Proverbs, this is what I read. Proverbs 10, sorry, Proverbs 11, 10 to 21. This is the New

00:23:01International Version. When the righteous prosper, the city rejoices. When the wicked perish, there

00:23:09are shouts of joy. Through the blessing of the upright, a city is exalted. By the mouth of the wicked,

00:23:16it is destroyed. Let's do that again. It's important. When the righteous prosper, the city

00:23:25rejoices. When the wicked perish, there are shouts of joy. Through the blessing of the upright, a city

00:23:31is exalted. But by the mouth of the wicked, it is destroyed. Now, was Rob Reiner a wicked man?

00:23:39People are complicated. People are complicated. But his level of vitriol was destructive. His level

00:23:49of hatred for more than half of the country was scarcely a stabilizing factor. And he did further

00:23:55polarize and exaggerate and make more aggressive and hysterical the differences in oppositions

00:24:02in American politics. If you keep calling a man a fascist, a Hitler, a racist, a murderer,

00:24:10it has an effect. It has an effect in the world. I think that was wicked. I do not think shouts of joy

00:24:19are the appropriate response at all because it is a deep and horrifying tragedy what happened to the

00:24:26Reiner family. But the idea that the dead should experience no criticism is something that is put

00:24:35in place by wicked people. Of course, wicked people want to be excluded from moral judgment

00:24:41in the same way that bank robbers don't like video cameras. Don't speak ill of the dead.

00:24:48No. So, when something like this happens, we have the opportunity to talk about a lot of very deep

00:24:54and important issues. And if we say, wait till later, then the moment passes and the focus and

00:25:01concentration of those issues vanishes. It is a way of saying, we will never talk about these issues.

00:25:08We will never talk about these issues. Was Nick Reiner abused as a child? Most people

00:25:16self-medicate child abuse, like if they're drug addicts, they're taking the drugs to self-medicate

00:25:22child abuse. This is not proof. This is not proof. Be clear. I'm not saying that it is proven.

00:25:29We may know. We may never know. But there's a correlation. There's a correlation. But if your

00:25:37child is moving in circles where he has access to heroin at the age of 14 or 15, and he has the money to pay

00:25:49for that, let's say that Nick, I forget, Nick Cave of the Batsies, right? Let's just say Nick Reiner,

00:25:57I don't believe it. But let's just say, for the sake of argument, Nick Reiner was just born,

00:26:03and no matter how good the parenting, he just had a predilection towards addiction. I don't believe

00:26:10that people are born that way. I think people are born with various susceptibilities. I've never

00:26:16particularly enjoyed alcohol, but obviously, alcoholics do enjoy alcohol. Some people don't

00:26:23particularly like sugar. I have a weakness for sugar, so I have to watch what I eat and watch what I buy.

00:26:30So, let's say that Nick was born with a genetic predisposition towards addictive behavior. Okay,

00:26:38I mean, there seems to be some validity to that. Okay, that doesn't mean he becomes an addict.

00:26:45And he went into rehab at the age of 15. Do you know how bad things have to get to put a child into

00:26:50rehab? And who knows for how many years it had gone on beforehand. I don't know that that's ever

00:26:55been established. But when I say, and I did tweet this, and I say, look, if your kid becomes a raging

00:27:01heroin addict as a child, that's on you as a parent. And it is. It is. Ah, yes, but people have

00:27:10predilections and predispositions. Yes, I get it. I get it. But that's why you have to be really

00:27:17involved as a parent. How unattended, unparented does your child have to be to run wild with a

00:27:25druggy crowd while barely past puberty. And there's another strange thing that I wanted to

00:27:32mention. And again, happy to be corrected, happy to be schooled. This is all tentative. This is all

00:27:37theoretical. Nothing is proven. But Rob Reiner was a huge Joe Biden fan. Joe Biden, to a large degree,

00:27:46not only left the border open, but facilitated people crossing the border. Do you know that

00:27:52incidents of hard drugs crossing the border under Biden went up three to 500 percent?

00:28:00And yet, Rob Reiner was a vocal, hostile, aggressive opponent of a secure border. He's not an open

00:28:11borders guy, as far as I could tell, but he was very opposed to Trump's border war. Now, of course,

00:28:19not all poison or not all heroin, not all fentanyl comes in from outside America, but a lot of it

00:28:26does. And if your child was suffering under the horrors of illegal drugs as a child, wouldn't you

00:28:37want to seal up as quickly and as efficiently as humanly possible the porous border of the guy you

00:28:44supported that was facilitating, to some degree, those drugs coming into the country? Now, a lot of

00:28:51drugs come in, of course, through, like, they're hidden in cars and so on. They come in through

00:28:55ports of entry, but not all. So it's not like the border would have stopped it completely, but it would

00:29:01have helped. So it's, I'm just, you know, help me, help me out, brothers and sisters, please help me

00:29:07out. How is it possible for a guy whose kid is rapidly addicted to some of the worst substances known

00:29:14to man, God, or devil, who then opposes border security, thus facilitating the same drugs coming

00:29:21in and hitting others? The other thing I don't know, and again, if you know anything or can help

00:29:28me out, I'd really appreciate it. The other thing I don't know is the people who supplied his son with

00:29:36drugs, were they prosecuted? Because that seems important as well. I'm going to just look this up.

00:29:44Because if there were people who supplied children with drugs, you should go after them

00:29:49really hard. Oh, I asked about Nick Reiner, I got Nick, okay, let me just try. Uh, this is,

00:30:01this was Rob Reiner's son. Okay, sorry, let me just, but were they prosecuted? Stop disconnecting,

00:30:10Red Rock. Don't be frightened of the questions. Okay. All right, let me just, uh, I'm asking.

00:30:20Sorry, I thought it would get this answer. See if we can get this answer in. But I didn't

00:30:25hear about it. Okay, no, there is no evidence or report that any individuals who supplied drugs

00:30:30to Nick Reiner, Rob Reiner's son, were ever prosecuted. Now, that's quite a something to

00:30:36me. That's quite astonishing to me. So, as of 2018 appearance on the Dopey podcast, Nick Reiner

00:30:46openly admitted he was not fully sober at that time. He disclosed using marijuana and Adderall

00:30:51regularly and revealed a major relapse on heroin and other hard drugs in 2017, which led to a cocaine

00:30:57heart attack during a family intervention. December 2025 from Family Friends and Sources describes

00:31:03Nick's ongoing issues as a persistent problem with concerns about his mental health and drug use

00:31:07escalating in the weeks leading up to the tragic events. Articles note that his life continued to

00:31:11involve sobriety efforts, sobriety efforts, and relapse. And his friends described drugs as his

00:31:16always core issue. No public updates indicate long-term sobriety after the 2017 to 2018 disclosures.

00:31:22So, if your kid ends up on heroin at the age of, again, it goes into rehab at 15, 13, 14, whatever,

00:31:34right? It had to escalate. Who's giving your kids, who's giving your kid drugs? And as a powerful,

00:31:43wealthy, talented, concerned father, wouldn't you want to smash whoever was supplying your kids,

00:31:51your kid with drugs? Wouldn't you want to find out who it was and use every conceivable resource

00:31:59to bring that person to justice, everyone associated with that person to justice, to use all of your

00:32:06hundreds of millions of dollars and connections to ensure that anyone who touched anyone who supplied

00:32:16your kid with drugs goes away for a long, fucking long time? Maybe this happened. Maybe it was all

00:32:23kept under wraps. There's no public evidence of it. And I don't quite follow that. I don't understand

00:32:32if that didn't happen, which it doesn't seem to have happened. I don't understand why that wouldn't

00:32:36have happened. Why somebody with Rob Reiner's power, influence, wealth, and fame wouldn't work every

00:32:44fiber of his muscles to destroy everyone who was supplying these hellish drugs to children as a whole

00:32:54and his child in particular. Now, if this didn't happen, I don't understand why. I mean, the only thing

00:33:03that would make sense to me, and again, this is not proof of anything. It's just speculation.

00:33:07But if Rob Reiner did not, and his wife, did not move heaven and earth to discover who had supplied

00:33:12his child with drugs and to make sure they faced the appropriate justice, legally, would be if the

00:33:20trail led to people he knew, people in his circle, in his life. People don't just wake up and become

00:33:29heroin addicts. Most people who are addicts are not taking drugs to feel good. They're taking drugs to stop

00:33:38feeling terrible. And it's also a strange thing that people keep using 10-year-old pictures of Nick Reiner

00:33:45rather than the more haggard and terrifying pictures of him later on. So, the fundamental question, and I'll turn it

00:33:56over to you guys after this, but the fundamental question to me is, and again, happy to be corrected

00:34:01on this, what is wrong with hating back? Doesn't mean you wish people dead, but what is wrong with

00:34:07hating back? If someone hates you and hates your movement and calls you a Hitler adjacent and your

00:34:14followers are scum, racists, it's all highly volatile and dangerous language. I'm a free speech

00:34:23absolutist, right? But it's dangerous language. It's not shouting fire in a crowded theater, which never really

00:34:29happens anyway, but it is escalating language. If you can convince unstable populations that they're going

00:34:38to get killed if so-and-so continues to breathe, then they will view assassination as self-defense. So, it's

00:34:45dangerous. So, why is it so wrong if somebody hates you and is working for your destruction?

00:34:53Why is it wrong to hate them back? I mean, help me understand this. This high road just leads off a

00:34:59cliff. And the most successful strategy, I will say this until my dying breath because it has worked

00:35:05very well for me and it is mathematically proven. The very best strategy in life, you've heard me say it

00:35:10before. You'll probably hear me say it again. The very best strategy in life is treat people the best

00:35:16you can when you first meet them. After that, treat them as they treat you. Why would you mourn the death

00:35:22of someone who has worked for 10 years for your destruction? I'm not saying dance. I'm not saying

00:35:28celebrate. And Donald Trump did not celebrate. He said it's very sad. Rest in peace. But please,

00:35:35please, please, please, please, help me understand. Help me understand why it is so unacceptable to hate

00:35:43back. Because to not hate back seems to be weak coded. So, if you are a slave, let's go back to the

00:35:54origins of Christianity. If you are a slave, then you cannot hate your master back and do anything about

00:36:02it. Your master beats you, you have to, you can't do anything about it. So, hating back would be a

00:36:09useless emotion and could actually be very dangerous. Because if you beat, if you're beaten

00:36:17by your master and then your master catches a flash of hostility or anger or rage in your eyes,

00:36:23he's probably going to beat you more or might even kill you. So, hating back if you're a slave

00:36:28is sadly a sensible strategy. If you have a really violent parent whose thumb and fist you're going

00:36:38to be laboring under for the next 15 plus years, then yes, hating back is very dangerous, could be

00:36:45suicidal. If you have a prison guard and you're unjustly imprisoned, so you have a prison guard, you're in

00:36:52some gulag, and the prison guard doesn't have to bring you any food. Can you show hatred to the prison

00:36:58guard? No, because you're helpless. Saying to people, don't hate back puts them in the mindset of being

00:37:05slaves. And it's funny, you know, because the people on the, well, not funny, but the people on the right

00:37:11are constantly saying, ah, all of this virtue signaling from the left. Ah, it's so gross! But the virtue

00:37:19signaling from the right is even more gross because they criticize everyone else. Oh, we're so much

00:37:24better than these petty leftists, you know. I'm only going to say lovely and wonderful things about

00:37:30Rob Reiner because we're so much better. No, it's not better. I mean, that's somebody who already

00:37:36feels like a slave, who can only pat themselves on the back for failing to express an emotion that they

00:37:44could never act on and might get them beaten up or killed in the sort of slave mindset, right?

00:37:50Because, you know, we have evolved, our brains have evolved to be either masters or slaves,

00:37:55depending on our, on the values we accept. I mean, your brain doesn't know if you're going to be born

00:38:01a king or a pauper, a master or a slave, a prince or a serf. Your brain doesn't know that ahead of time,

00:38:06so you've got to be able to adapt either way. And if you are a slave, as most people were throughout

00:38:11human history, if you are a slave, then you're going to adopt passivity and forgiveness and don't

00:38:19get angry. And we'll get our reward later in heaven. Don't resist. Don't get angry. Because

00:38:27that's the only way you can survive. And of course, we, I sympathize with that mindset. I would do the

00:38:32same thing. Were I, I mean, we're all a little bit slaves, but were I more of a slave, an outright

00:38:39slave? I would adopt that mindset too. But if you don't have to, and you adopt that mindset anyway,

00:38:46you're putting yourself in chains. And it's gross. I'm not saying celebrate, but everyone who's out

00:38:53there, God, it's ferocious. It's insistent. It's like some estrogen tsunami designed to wash away,

00:38:58wash away all testicular residuals in the population. Oh, Trump said something mean about the guy who spent

00:39:07a decade trying to destroy him, or said something not super mournful. God, this tone policing,

00:39:17this weakness, this virtue, say, well, it's so much better. Oh, it's vile. I don't, again, I'm happy to

00:39:25be schooled. I'm happy to be corrected. I do not understand it. All right, so we have people who want

00:39:29to talk about this topic, I hope. Bear code, what's on your mind? Don't forget to unmute.

00:39:36Hello. And once, going twice. Do you hear me? Uh, kind of faint. Go ahead. Sorry. Uh, so,

00:39:42first, let me just promise it, saying I totally agree, and I like the, uh, strong stance you've

00:39:46taken on this. Rob Reiner's not a good guy, and it's okay to be happy that his stuff, all his spouting

00:39:54and nonsense is over. I mean, it is tragic how it happened, but I can admit to that. But I think

00:39:59what you were discussing, um, is it weak, and is it slavery to, uh, not mourn? And I think this

00:40:08comes down to, like, you know, the progressive left has developed its own religion, and the, uh,

00:40:13the right is sort of fractured, and sort of all over the place. So, if you look at the progressive

00:40:19left, and you can say, like, yes, this is actually an evil, and what Rob Reiner was doing by, like,

00:40:24you know, insisting on Russiagate and various other nonsensical, uh, stipulations like open

00:40:31borders, uh, we can sit here and say, yes, that's actually evil, and he is not a good guy, and we

00:40:36rejoice when he's gone. But the last... Sorry, I wouldn't say rejoice, but the idea that we have to

00:40:43put on a sad face when someone like this dies, I, I don't understand that. I'm not saying we wish

00:40:49for his death, or we celebrate his death, but, you know, I mean, Trump wasn't wishing for or

00:40:54celebrating. He said it was very sad, but sorry, go ahead. Yes, yeah, you're right. Sorry, I'm

00:40:58probably more radical on this issue, but, yeah, a neutral position at worst is, like, seems more

00:41:04than fine to me. I mean, if some guy, and take an extreme example, sorry to interrupt, if some guy

00:41:09is, is rushing at your wife and children with a machete, and then he has a heart attack,

00:41:14do you mourn his passing? Absolutely not. No! I hope it hurts! Anyway, go on. So, so, yeah,

00:41:23so, the issue is, is sort of a couple things, right? So, like, Charlie Kirk died, the right

00:41:28was all up in arms about... Charlie Kirk was murdered? Yeah, sorry, yes, of course. Um,

00:41:33Charlie Kirk was murdered, and the left sits there celebrating, and in the same way you're

00:41:37describing, like, Rob Reiner's language as, like, you know, not dangerous, but upping the

00:41:42temperature, they have a religious conviction to certain things, like transgenders and things

00:41:47like that, and, uh, racial equity, and, you know, Charlie Kirk was knocking down the moral

00:41:53pillars of theirs, so in their eyes, he was exactly as dangerous as we might consider Rob

00:41:57Reiner. Well, sorry, but Charlie Kirk was no race realist. Charlie Kirk said that there's

00:42:02absolutely no difference other than the color of the skin, so he was in no way racist that

00:42:06I can see, uh, so, uh, even by sort of the left standard or anything like that, so, um...

00:42:11It depends on how far left you go, because some of them are like, you know, he says,

00:42:14oh, I might look at a, an airplane pilot and question their credentials if you're just

00:42:18giving them the job because of their race, which is, like, you know, true.

00:42:21Right, okay, that's heretical in the, yeah, hyper-egalitarianism, blank slate cult, right?

00:42:26Okay, got it. Or religion, or what did you say? Belief.

00:42:28So, when you see these leftists, like, cheering his death and stuff, that he was a heretic

00:42:32to them, effectively, and it's good that he died. So, now, I mean, now we have the right...

00:42:38I'm sorry, to be fair, Rob Reiner did, was, was quite, uh, honorable with regards to Charlie

00:42:43Kirk's death in interviews. He said it was a great tragedy and so on, but just to be sort

00:42:47of fair to him, but sorry, go ahead.

00:42:49That, that is good that he did that, but he also cheered Rush Swimbod's death, death the

00:42:52day after that guy passed.

00:42:54Well, he's, he attacked him pretty scathingly. I don't, you know, I don't think he necessarily

00:42:58quite cheered it, but, you know, it was definitely, it was definitely quite hostile. But the

00:43:01left, the left certainly doesn't police. The left doesn't say, oh, if you were celebrating

00:43:05Charlie Kirk's murder, I don't want to have anything to do with you, and they don't cross-examine

00:43:09each other and do that guilt by association, hop, skip, and a jump. Do you disavow, but

00:43:13they don't do that stuff, for sure. They'll, they'll, like, say, if, if pressed, they'll

00:43:16say, yeah, some people had some really bad reactions, blah, blah, blah, but they don't

00:43:19self-police in the way, like, when, when I see people on the right online, they're self-policing

00:43:25ferociously on, on this issue. How dare you? It's so terrible what Donald Trump had said,

00:43:30blah, blah, like, this policing. The left does not do that. If, if pushed, they might say, yeah,

00:43:35there were some negative responses to Charlie Kirk's, I don't agree with that. But the

00:43:38left wasn't out there saying, you know, if people were celebrating the Charlie Kirk thing,

00:43:42they weren't saying, that's despicable, that's vile, I'm going to disassociate from you.

00:43:45They weren't doing that from what I can see.

00:43:47Right. And I think this comes back to your idea of, like, there is a weakness on the right,

00:43:51right now, where it's like, it's not universally accepted truth. If you ever see that, like,

00:43:56difference of opinion chart, the left is all, like, in one tight-knit bubble. So they're

00:44:00not going to be shit that's outside that bubble. And whereas the right, you have people,

00:44:05like, barely on the fence who didn't vote Democrat or stayed home this last election,

00:44:09just because the invasion was so obvious, and, like, was causing them some sort of cognitive

00:44:13dissonance. But a lot of them haven't, like, this whole concept of woke has gone away. It,

00:44:18like, it hasn't. It's metastasized, and it's, it's got to be beaten back. And, you know,

00:44:23it's just less obvious, because it has more control, in a sense. And I think a lot of this,

00:44:27and again, not to dump on the three-month widow, but the Erica Kirk thing, where she forgave the

00:44:33murderer, but as somebody pointed out, won't forgive the conspiracy theorists, that has

00:44:38unfortunately set the tone to the point where, well, I mean, if Erica Kirk can forgive the guy

00:44:43who murdered her husband, then surely Donald Trump can forgive Rob Reiner. And that is, that is not,

00:44:50that is not, because you're the same people who say, well, we want illegals deported. It's like,

00:44:53well, there's no forgiveness there, right? So they want laws enforced. They want criminals locked up.

00:44:58They want crazy people put in institutions, and so on. And then they say, well, we're all about the

00:45:03forgiveness. And they say, it's so frustrating. It's so frustrating when these liberal judges keep

00:45:10letting out these repeat criminals to the point where they go out and kill and murder more. It's

00:45:14like, you mean when the liberal judges forgive the murderers, or forgive the killers, or forgive the

00:45:20thieves, or whatever, right? And they say, well, it's really, really great that the guy in charge

00:45:26in El Salvador has cut the murder rate like 90% by just putting people in jail and keeping them

00:45:31there. Oh, so by not forgiving them. So this is what I do not understand on the right, is they

00:45:37want to forgive murderers and deport illegals. Okay, forgiveness is a virtue and a value, then forgive

00:45:44everyone. So as the left say, we want to, we want to forgive, the right say, well, we, we want to

00:45:50forgive murderers, but Donald Trump's tweet is absolutely appalling and beyond, you know, beyond

00:45:55forgiveness. It's like, what? And on the left, they say, well, we want to, you know, forgive

00:46:01murderers and, and, you know, we're fine with political violence. Do you know, like, so forgiveness

00:46:06and non-forgiveness is like a weird thing. This is why I keep talking about the issue of forgiveness,

00:46:11because it's, it's weird, squirrely and self-contradictory on both the left and the

00:46:15right. Sorry, go ahead. Yeah, yeah. So I, I agree. I mean, the, the left is, you're preaching to the

00:46:20choir with all this stuff, but, um, I mean, the right is so fractured in its opinions. Like, you have

00:46:25the Christians on the right that are like, Hey, actually, we're trying to model this like moral

00:46:29system. So we have to hold ourselves like, you know, better than them by saying like, look, see,

00:46:35we didn't like this guy, but we're not going to cheer when he died. Like, you know, no, no, nobody's

00:46:40saying cheer. That's, that's a false dichotomy. Okay. I mean, some of them are saying some,

00:46:44some people cheered, you know? Okay. Yeah. Maybe some people cheered, but tone policing those who

00:46:52were saying he was not a good guy. And he also, you know, if you're, you know, this is a brutal

00:46:58thing to say, but I'll say it anyway. Right. If you are murdered by the child you raised, you're not

00:47:03a random victim. Yeah. It's not like, you know, you're just walking down the street in a nice

00:47:08neighborhood. Someone jumps out of the bushes and kills you. Right. Right. So you, you, it's not a

00:47:13random act of violence. If your own son, a guy, I can't even imagine like the rage you'd have to have

00:47:19to slice your own parents' throats is, is staggering. Yeah. And, um, whether that's just

00:47:25the drugs or something else, again, the Menendez thing, who knows, we'll probably never know, but

00:47:30that's a, that's not a random thing. So people say, well, it's a tragedy. It's like, I don't know.

00:47:36I mean, lots of people smoke and don't get cancer, but a lot of people smoke and do get cancer. If

00:47:42somebody smokes and gets cancer, is it a tragedy? I don't know. It's sad, but it's not a tragedy.

00:47:48A tragedy to me is when you're not at all the author of your own disaster. Right. Right. It's

00:47:54not, it's not, it's not a tragedy. If you have a hand in it, if somebody is overweight and doesn't

00:48:01exercise. I would say Charlie Kirk's death was a tragedy and they said he has it coming, you know,

00:48:06because they say, yeah, so they say, well, it's not a tragedy because he had it coming. He was going

00:48:11to get shot. He was, they were hoping for it. They were saying it openly. Right. So if somebody's

00:48:16obese. So it's like this tone policing that's happening. Yeah. Did I disconnect? Oh man.

00:48:21No, I'm, I'm, I'm with you, but I think I couldn't be heard for a moment, but go ahead.

00:48:25Can you hear me? Uh, yes. Can you hear me? Hello? Hello? Yes. Hello. Okay. I think we have,

00:48:33uh, I think he's lost his audio for me. So, uh, we'll get to others in just a second, but to me,

00:48:39it comes down to, if you are obese and don't exercise and eat terribly and your doctor says,

00:48:48Hey, you know, you keep doing this, it's going to go badly for you. And then you get diabetes.

00:48:53Is that a tragedy? I don't think that it is a tragedy. Let me just check my audio here.

00:49:03Uh, can you hear? Uh, cause this guy couldn't hear and I just want to make sure that nothing

00:49:07happened with my connection. Testing one, two, three. Yeah. I don't think it's a tragedy if you

00:49:15brought it on yourself. Now, of course, I'm not saying that Rob Reiner and his wife brought it

00:49:19on themselves in the same way that somebody who gets diabetes has, but it is not a, an outside

00:49:27inflicted tragedy. And one of the indicators of that seems to be that they did not take

00:49:37the advice. So let me just get this. And I'll get to the other corner in a sec of the addiction

00:49:46counselors, because I've certainly read some of that kind of stuff. Want to be obviously pretty

00:49:52fair about this. Okay. Rob Reiner followed the advice of addiction counselors during his son,

00:49:58Nick's early struggles, but later publicly expressed deep regret for doing so. When Nick would tell us

00:50:02that it wasn't working for him, we wouldn't listen. We were desperate. And because the people had

00:50:05diplomas on the wall, we listened to them when we should have been listening to our son.

00:50:09He regretted, quote, valuing the advice of counselors over the voice of his son,

00:50:12end quote, noting that traditional recovery programs, quote, work for some people, but can't

00:50:16work for everybody. So, all right. So I'll just, I wanted to be clear on that. Okay. Uh, Justin,

00:50:24just in time. What's on your mind about this topic?

00:50:30Nick. Justin, you need to unmute. Yes. Um, I just want to say that, I mean, to me, it's,

00:50:39it's tragic in the sense that, uh, sorry, that's my son in the background. Hey, we've got no problem

00:50:46with the sounds of happy children. It's such a dark topic. So, um, the, the tragedy is the sense of,

00:50:52you know, Nick being born into an environment that he was maladapted for, uh, and, and the parents

00:50:59that were unwilling to make sure he adapted appropriately in that environment. Um, there's

00:51:06the way I see that, uh, as being a tragedy and it's tragic, you know, for relatives, you know,

00:51:13that may have suffered, uh, as a result of that as well. Um, so the tragedy is more on Nick's side,

00:51:20right? No, no, no. I'm saying that it's a tragedy. He was, you know, born into an environment

00:51:28that. Sorry, who's he? He was Nick. Nick. Okay. Sorry. Yeah. It's the tragedy. He was born

00:51:34into that environment and he wasn't, you know, equipped either himself, you know, or with parents

00:51:41that were willing to, um, guard him against those things. Yeah, that I agree with that. That

00:51:48is the tragedy. That is the tragedy, but the tragedy then would be on Nick's youthful side.

00:51:55Now I've never been any particular kind of addict, so I don't really quite understand this, but,

00:52:01uh, I know my, I don't want to speak for Mike Cernovich, but there's a certain perspective

00:52:04that he's talked about that you just need to stay with addicts because they will take you down.

00:52:08They're sort of emotional terrorists. They manipulate and lie and all kinds of things like

00:52:12that. So yeah, I mean, it's, it's, it's a, it's a horribly sad situation. And of course I have

00:52:19sympathy for Nick as a child and I don't, I don't know the degree to which people who are long-term

00:52:27addicts, sorry, it's a little tough to concentrate. Uh, so yeah, I don't know the degree to which

00:52:31people who are long-term addicts just have their brains completely rewired. Can they ever be normal

00:52:35again? Uh, I've certainly met long-term addicts over the course of my life and I don't think that

00:52:39they ever quite get back to normal. So who knows? All right, Alan, thank you for your patience.

00:52:45If you have thoughts about this, I'd love to hear them going once, going twice. Can you hear?

00:52:51All right. Looks like not so much. Jaden, if you would like to share your thoughts on this,

00:52:58I would love to hear them too. Yes, sir. Go ahead. Hi. Yes. I'm not sure if you saw my response to

00:53:04your post, but are you willing to concede that Charlie Kirk did in fact refer to Joe Biden as a fascist?

00:53:09Uh, assuming, let me just double check this and I, I, I'm sure you're telling the truth about this.

00:53:15And let me just, uh, double check that because yeah, I mean, if he did, it's not what I'd be

00:53:23willing to concede that. Yeah. I mean, if he did, he did. Right. So did Charlie Kirk refer to Joe Biden

00:53:31as a fascist, fascist, right? Don't don't. I think he did. I think he did.

00:53:39Um, and so I'm just, he's dead. Just checking this out. Okay. Um, I just think, you know, it's,

00:53:47it's always, uh, in the right mind and, uh, uh, to concede when one is wrong and you did post

00:53:52something that was factually incorrect. So I thought I'd relate. Okay. So hang on, hang on,

00:53:56hang on. So this was in, hang on. So this was in the context of Rob Reiner calling

00:54:02MAGA people scum, which is more than half the country, right? When did he say this?

00:54:07Oh, well, I did this earlier in the show. You can look this up and I did do a direct quote.

00:54:12Well, I mean, I gave you a direct, uh, reference as to where you can find Charlie Kirk's tweet.

00:54:16And I'm asking you where I can find that. Uh, I'm sorry. I'm not sure where you said

00:54:21where I can find it. August 30th, August 30th, 2022 on Charlie Kirk's page.

00:54:26Joe. Okay. Uh, if you, if you want to play it that way, we can do that. Okay. Uh, when

00:54:31did, hang on, hang on. When did, uh, Rob Reiner refer to MAGA as scum?

00:54:42Boom, boom, boom, boom. Uh, Rob Reiner referred to MAGA supporters as MAGA scum in a post on

00:54:49Blue Sky on November 20th, 2024. Gotcha. Uh, how does that relate to the, um,

00:54:56I'm sorry. Can you, uh, I think you cut off there. Can you repeat? All right. Well,

00:55:00I think we may have lost, uh, Jaden, sadly, I think you muted yourself. Um, can you hear

00:55:06me? Oh, I think you're back. Yes. Go ahead. Right. The original claim was about Kirk never

00:55:11saying anyone was a racist or fascist, right? No, that's not what I said. That is what you

00:55:17said verbatim. No, that's not what I said. You, I never said tweeted. Nope. I did not say

00:55:22that. Read my tweet. Yeah. If you're going to misquote me, uh,

00:55:26I'm going to ask you to read the tweet. It's a direct quote. Is it not? Go ahead.

00:55:31Read the tweet. Let me pull it up. I mean, I, while he's pulling it up, I can tell you

00:55:36what I tweeted more or less. I said, uh, Charlie. Yeah, go ahead. Is it more or less

00:55:42or verbatim? Uh, no, go ahead. Read the tweet. Is it more or less or verbatim? I'm not

00:55:49sure what you're asking me. You said what I more or less said. No, no. Read the tweet.

00:55:54You said, you said, I never, I said, you said that I said that Kirk had never called

00:55:58anyone a fascist. That's not what I said. That's not what I said. What you said. You

00:56:05said he didn't refer to people as racist or fascist. Right. So, uh, is people plural or

00:56:11singular? Hang on, hang on, hang on. People would be plural. Okay. Okay. So he referred to

00:56:17president Biden as a fascist. Is that, so is president Gleibel as president? Okay. So

00:56:23no, hang on, hang on. So you see, if you talk over me, we can't have a conversation. That's

00:56:28just basic civility, right? Sure. Okay. So in the context where I was quoting or where

00:56:35the debate was about Rob Reiner calling more than half of America scum. And I used the plural

00:56:42with Charlie Kirk, the Charlie Kirk was not calling people, not an individual, but people

00:56:48right. Referring in, in the context of a conversation about Rob Reiner calling more than half of America

00:56:54scum, that he did not refer to people in the collective as fascists. Now, if, if Charlie

00:57:02Kirk had said all Democrats are fascists, that would be a complete repudiation of my post.

00:57:09But I was talking in the context of calling lots of people in this case, the majority of the

00:57:14country. This is why I used, you didn't specify people. You didn't say, no, but it was in the,

00:57:20in the context of, in the context of the debate that I was happening. It was about calling masses

00:57:25of people, which is why I use the plural. And that's why when you went, that's why I did not say

00:57:29people. Okay. If you over talk me, we can't have a conversation. Got you. Do you understand

00:57:35that? No problem, man. No, it is a problem for you because you keep doing it.

00:57:39Okay, go ahead. Thank you. Jesus, basic civility, man. So, if I had said Charlie Kirk never referred

00:57:48to anyone as a fascist, I would be completely wrong. In the context of calling more than half

00:57:53the population MAGA scum, saying Charlie Kirk did not refer to people in the plural as fascists and

00:58:01racists, that would still be correct. The fact that he referred to President Biden as a fascist

00:58:08is not referring to large numbers of people, in Rob Briner's case, more than half the country.

00:58:13You're shifting the goalposts because you've been caught in it. Now, your post does not say masses

00:58:19of people, does not say half the country, which MAGA does not compromise half the country anyways.

00:58:24But you say, Charlie Kirk didn't spout hatred and call people fascist and racist. He's called

00:58:30more than one people, more than one person, fascist, Justin Trudeau and Joe Biden. Those

00:58:35would be people, since we're arguing plurality, two people, instances of which he's called them

00:58:40fascist. Quote, Joe Biden is a fascist, August 30th, 2022.

00:58:44Right? So, so he called two people, is that right? Two political leaders, fascists.

00:58:51He referred to, hang on, okay, so, bro, okay, I, okay, I can't, I can't do it. I mean, I do not

00:58:57know how to have conversations with people who can't follow simple instructions, like when I'm

00:59:02starting to ask a question, and someone overtalks me. Now, listen, I'm perfectly aware, and I,

00:59:08you know, I'm perfectly, this is a complexity of both the conversation and the English language.

00:59:15So, when I'm in a conversation with someone about Rob Reiner calling a lot of people, you know,

00:59:21whether it's all MAGA or, you know, some MAGA or whatever, but when he's calling supporters of

00:59:27Donald Trump collective negative names, and I say, well, Charlie Kirk didn't do that, and then people

00:59:34say, ah, yes, but Charlie Kirk did call one person a fascist. It's like, I get. So, it's, it's a gray

00:59:40area. I'm not going to say I'm completely wrong, which I have no problem doing. I have no problem

00:59:44saying, but I'm completely wrong. But, and if I had said Charlie Kirk never referred to

00:59:48anyone as a fascist, that is a, I mean, the difference is the law of reasoning by induction

00:59:55or deduction. So, deductive reasoning, and you can find more about this in outoftheargument.com,

01:00:01but deductive reasoning is any exception disproves the rule, right? So, that's 100% accuracy. So,

01:00:08if I had made an absolute statement that Charlie Kirk never referred to anyone as a fascist,

01:00:15that's an absolute statement. And then if somebody says, Charlie Kirk referred to Joe Biden as a

01:00:21fascist, I would say, totally right. I'm wrong. I have to withdraw that. But this is a inductive

01:00:27one, where in a conversation where I'm talking about calling masses and masses, like 150 million

01:00:34people, you know, fascists or scum or whatever. And I say, Charlie Kirk didn't refer to people in

01:00:39that way. He didn't call people that. And so, I just says, well, there's one individual. Okay.

01:00:43Like, I understand. I understand it's a bit of a gray area, but no, I'm not going to say that. I mean,

01:00:48yeah, I could have said in the context of, but I assume that intelligent people understand the

01:00:54context in which I am talking, which is about massive collectivist judgments. And I say, well,

01:01:00Charlie Kirk didn't do that. Didn't make massive collectivist judgments. So again, I'm, I'm not

01:01:07quite sure what the objection is that is very much nitpicking. All right. Let's try Justin one more

01:01:12time. Justin, have you had any more luck with your microphone? Yes. Oh, sorry. Did you want to come

01:01:24back or? Yeah, yeah, I did. I did. Um, uh, I also wanted to speak on the, uh, Trump's tweet about the,

01:01:31um, about, uh, Rob's, uh, and the fact that I think he could have done a little better in the sense of,

01:01:41um, taking it beyond himself. Now he did a little bit by talking about how Rob was not good for America.

01:01:50Uh, however, I think he could have pointed out how Rob had called the Republican party,

01:01:56the, um, white grievance party, uh, as if whites voicing their grievances isn't a legitimate cause,

01:02:06uh, to be concerned with. And, uh, that's how I measure whether I have sympathy for someone who died

01:02:13or not, as you know, whether or not they, whether or not they, uh, uh, have, have compassion or love

01:02:22for the people that I care and love, uh, for. And that's my, uh, that's my biggest issue with Trump's,

01:02:30uh, way is that it was, you know, more, I don't know if you say selfish than, uh, thinking about

01:02:37the impact his voice has, uh, against other people beyond himself.

01:02:44Well, but as you point out, um, he did later say, yeah, that he was, um, it was bad for the country.

01:02:50And he's also saying that, uh, his hatred of Trump would have interfered with the golden age of

01:02:55America and so on that he was, uh, bringing up and so on. All right. Uh, Luke, if there's anything

01:03:03that you want to mention, don't forget to unmute going once, going twice. Yes. Excellent. Yeah.

01:03:10I'm the guy that scheduled a call with you, but you had to cancel. I want to talk about, uh,

01:03:16religious freedom and, uh, antisemitism. Yeah. That's not our topic today. Yeah. That's not

01:03:21our topic today. Just so you know. Uh, and, um, so, uh, we're just trying to talk about this, uh,

01:03:29issue with Rob Reiner.

01:03:33So, I think it's not a matter of, it's funny because there's this word like deserve. He didn't

01:03:39deserve to, uh, die like that. And I, I, I have trouble with the concept deserve because I don't

01:03:47know what people mean by that. I mean, let's take a, a crazy example, right? A real extreme example.

01:03:53And this is not particularly related, but just to sort of tell you where the issue I have comes from.

01:03:58Let's take a big issue. Like, uh, somebody shoots himself. So somebody shoots himself.

01:04:05He didn't deserve to die like that. Now, does that mean he didn't deserve to be depressed? Or

01:04:10if he puts a gun in his mouth and pulls the trigger, he didn't deserve to have his

01:04:16head blown off. Like, I don't know what, I mean, if he chose, and we can think of course,

01:04:21with great sympathy and tragedy to people who commit suicide. But if somebody says he didn't

01:04:26deserve to die like that, when he made the choice to kill himself, I don't know what that means.

01:04:34If somebody is a chain smoker and his family begs him to stop and he doesn't stop and then he gets

01:04:41sick, what does it mean to say he didn't deserve to get sick? Let's say he dies of getting sick.

01:04:48He's got COPD or emphysema, lung cancer or something, and he dies from it.

01:04:52And what does it mean to say he didn't deserve that? I mean, he chose that. It's like Russian

01:04:57roulette. If somebody doesn't get help for a gambling addiction or is just a compulsive gambler

01:05:02and loses all his money, does it make any sense to say he didn't deserve to lose his money?

01:05:08If a woman has unprotected sex and gets pregnant, she didn't deserve

01:05:12to get pregnant if she doesn't want to be pregnant. I have trouble with that. Let's say that

01:05:19a guy is horrible. You know, he cheats on his wife, he beats his children, he drinks,

01:05:25he's just a terrible guy, and everyone suffers who's in his vicinity. And then later on in his life,

01:05:31he's alone. He said, well, he didn't deserve to end up alone. And I don't know what that means.

01:05:36Nobody wants that. Nobody wants someone to end up alone. Nobody wants anyone to be murdered. My

01:05:42God, that's appalling. But I don't know what deserve means. So let's, to take something a

01:05:49little less immediate, like the Menendez brothers, right? So if what the Menendez brothers allege

01:05:54is true, was true, we don't know for sure, but if it was true, there's evidence, but no proof.

01:05:59If it was true that there was horrendous sexual abuse of the children, and they were terrified

01:06:07that their father was going to kill them because they were going to reveal his secrets, like

01:06:10whatever it is, right? If you pray upon your children, if it was the case that this praying

01:06:15happened, if you did pray upon your children to that degree, and then they kill you, did you deserve

01:06:21that? I don't know. I don't know what that means. Actions have consequences. Blowback is a real thing.

01:06:29You know, if I go up and punch some guy in the face, and he turns out to be some, you know,

01:06:35real martial artist and pummels me to a pulp, did I deserve that? I don't know. I mean, don't go

01:06:43punching people in the face. So I don't know, and again, people can, I'm going to close the show off

01:06:50in a sec, but people can certainly tell me these kinds of things, for sure. And explain it to me,

01:06:55you can always email me, support at freedomain.com, but I don't know what people mean by deserve.

01:07:01If somebody eats badly, doesn't exercise, is obese, do they deserve to get diabetes? I don't know what

01:07:09deserve means in this context, right? If I jump off a wall that's way too high for me, and I twist my

01:07:18ankle, do I deserve to have my ankle twisted? I don't know what that means. And I don't,

01:07:23it seems to be a term of great sophistry. If horrible abuse happens in a household,

01:07:29obviously, nobody wants people to get murdered, clearly, except maybe the murderer. But if horrible

01:07:36abuse has happened in a household, and let's just take the example of the guy who alienates his kids,

01:07:41he beats them, he yells at them, insults them, and so on. Does he deserve to end up alone? I don't

01:07:47know what deserve means in this context. If you abuse people, you probably will end up alone.

01:07:53I hate to say serves him right, because nobody wants that situation to begin with. Nobody wants

01:07:59people to get diabetes, but if you take really poor care of your health, then your risk of getting

01:08:04diabetes goes up. So, if you make a whole series of bad decisions, and bad things happen to you,

01:08:10do you deserve? Again, I don't know what that means. And again, I'm happy to have it explained,

01:08:16but it doesn't make any sense in the context of free will and choices. Actions have consequences.

01:08:22And if a guy is really horrible to his family, and ends up isolated in his old age, well,

01:08:28there's that old demotivational poster that sometimes the sole purpose of your life is to

01:08:33serve as a warning to others. So, if we say, if we try to intervene and say, well,

01:08:40bad things should never happen to bad people, then all we do is reward the bad and punish the good.

01:08:48Right? If women who have sex outside of marriage, it's unprotected, they get pregnant,

01:08:55then we should remove all negative consequences. Well, that's not good for society in the long run.

01:09:00Individuals do have to suffer for society to progress. And the more we try and take away

01:09:07suffering from individuals, and the more we try to deny that suffering, or say it's somehow undeserved,

01:09:13whatever that means, well, parent your kids, be close to them, understand them. You know,

01:09:20I'm sure that Rob Reiner's last thoughts had nothing to do with his success as a filmmaker.

01:09:25I'm sure that the torment of his later years did not add up to the happiness he had in producing

01:09:30movies. What matters is your relationships. What matters is your connection. What matters is love.

01:09:37What matters is your closeness with your children. What matters is the connection

01:09:40of friends and family. That's what matters. Professional success, be damned. Because this is

01:09:48almost an example of massive ambition, taking a father away from his son, and leaving his son vulnerable

01:09:58to predation, it's not worth it. I say this to people on my show all the time. It's not worth it.

01:10:05Well, we're going to, my wife wants to work, and I want to work, and we're going to put our kids in

01:10:10daycare. It's like, it's not worth it, man. It's not worth it. You're going to make a couple of bucks

01:10:14now. You're going to pay for it later when your children are far more influenced by their peers and

01:10:18their parents, far more influenced by TikTok than the morals of their elders. Don't do it. Do not trade

01:10:27money, fame, and power for closeness and connection with your children and your family. Don't do it.

01:10:35Don't do it. It's not worth it. It's the opposite of worth it. This is a particularly gruesome example

01:10:41of what can happen if you put work and ambition above connection and family. I mean, Nick Reiner

01:10:50repeatedly said he felt very distant from his father, and he didn't understand his father's

01:10:56competence until they were making a movie together, which was in 2016 when the movie came out.

01:11:01Do not be lured away by the shiny baubles of money, fame, success, the glittering empty eyeballs

01:11:07of strangers who come and go. Focus on virtue. Focus on your connection. Focus on love. Focus on

01:11:15closeness. That sustains you into old age. That sustains you into old age. Glittering prizes,

01:11:22money in the bank, and misery in the heart is a very, very bad deal.

01:11:28freedomain.com slash donate. If you would like to help out the show, I really do appreciate your

01:11:32time today. I hope you have a lovely afternoon. Go talk to people you care about. Open your heart.

01:11:39Open your mind. Be close to them. Please, I'm begging you. I'm begging you. I've seen what happens the

01:11:44other way, even in my own life. It's not pretty. So open up. Be close to the people you care about.

01:11:49Tell them how much you care about them. If you have issues with them, speak openly about them and

01:11:53resolve them as best you can. That is the best life you can have. You'd rather be in love,

01:12:00living in a shoebox, than be in misery in a mansion. I'm telling you that. Thank you,

01:12:06everyone. We'll talk to you tomorrow night. Bye-bye.

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