On Hedonism vs Nihilism

Stefan Molyneux

Stefan Molyneux looks into why people who feel their lives lack purpose tend to slide into nihilism rather than hedonism. He describes nihilism as the view that existence holds no real worth, and hedonism as chasing after pleasure above all else. Molyneux argues that actual contentment comes from focusing on virtue and ethical conduct, drawing on Aristotle's idea of eudaimonia.  He points out that dropping one's ethical guidelines often pushes people toward temporary escapes through pleasure-seeking, but these fade over time and pull them toward nihilism. Molyneux also takes aim at today's economy for encouraging reliance on debt and rewarding unwise choices. In the end, he calls on his audience to embrace clear moral standards and consider how virtue plays a role in finding ongoing satisfaction.  SUBSCRIBE TO ME ON X! https://x.com/StefanMolyneux  Follow me on Youtube! https://www.youtube.com/@freedomain1  GET MY NEW BOOK 'PEACEFUL PARENTING', THE INTERACTIVE PEACEFUL PARENTING AI, AND THE FULL AUDIOBOOK! https://peacefulparenting.com/  Join the PREMIUM philosophy community on the web for free!  Subscribers get 12 HOURS on the "Truth About the French Revolution," multiple interactive multi-lingual philosophy AIs trained on thousands of hours of my material - as well as AIs for Real-Time Relationships, Bitcoin, Peaceful Parenting, and Call-In Shows!  You also receive private livestreams, HUNDREDS of exclusive premium shows, early release podcasts, the 22 Part History of Philosophers series and much more!  See you soon! https://freedomain.locals.com/support/promo/UPB2025

Transcript

00:00All right. Good morning, everybody. Good afternoon, actually. Sorry. Hope you're doing well.

00:03Stephen Molyneux from Freedomain. Some questions from the listeners. And yeah, it's going to be a

00:12little spicy. A little spicy. That's all right. We can handle some spice, right? All right. So

00:18first question is this. Philosophers and psychologists will state that when people

00:24lose meaning in their life, they will turn to nihilism. But why would that be the destination

00:28rather than hedonism? It's a great question. And I appreciate the depth, clarity and subtlety of the

00:35question. And I will give a ham-fisted monochromatic answer. Oh, I should try not to. So nihilism is the

00:45belief that there's nothing of value. Hedonism is the belief that pleasure is the purpose of life.

00:55And generally, by pleasure, we're talking about a short-term physical stimuli such as sex, drugs,

01:02rock and roll, that kind of stuff, right? So the first and most important question we ask of our

01:09lives, of our days, when we wake up, of our months or years as we plan is, what do I want to achieve?

01:16What do I want to achieve? Now, my particular goal and approach is to say, I would like to achieve

01:24the expansion of virtue in the world. So I aim to be a good person. I aim to do good shows,

01:34have good conversations. So that's my goal. And that's how I organize my life. It's how I organize

01:40what I do with the 16 hours a day that I'm up and about. And you need to have that in your life.

01:49You have to have some way of organizing your day, because as human beings, we have kind of an

01:57infinity of choices, right? I mean, for lions, it's like, hunt, don't hunt, have sex, don't have sex,

02:03play with your cubs, don't play with your cubs, whatever, right? It's not an infinity of choices.

02:07But the higher your consciousness, the more choices you have, the more choices you have,

02:12the more you need principles by which to organize your day. Like if you are a monarch butterfly,

02:18and you're flitting down to Mexico, because it's winter, or you're a Canada geese heading south,

02:24you really only have one place to go, one way to go and one way to get there, right? You follow the

02:29herd, you follow the flock and you fly south, right? So that's your, that's your life. You don't

02:35really have any choice. The higher your consciousness, and the more options you have,

02:40the more you need organizing principles. So you have a way of prioritizing your actions or your

02:46activities. So meaning, people say meaning, what's meaning? But the purpose is virtue. That's the

02:58highest purpose. This is at all Eudomania, Aristotelian argument that there's no greater

03:03happiness than the pursuit of excellence in moral virtues. It seems to be true. I feel that it's

03:10true. And so when people lose meaning, what is generally meant by that, not that the people mean

03:20it, but what it generally means to lose meaning is to lose belief in virtue, in morals, in excellence.

03:27Either you think that there is no such thing as morality, or that morality will always lose and

03:33there's no purpose in pursuing it. So if you were an athlete, and you did not believe that athletic

03:42excellence was possible, or you believe that it might be possible, but not for you, or that it didn't

03:48even exist, and there was no way to get there, then you would lose your motivation to exercise,

03:54to approach and hopefully achieve your highest potential as an athlete. So in general, when

04:02people lose their morals, and the purpose of propaganda is to substitute anything other than

04:10clear rationality and moral purpose, then when you lose your morals, people with more energy become

04:18hedonists, people with less energy become nihilists. So if we already kind of have a tendency towards

04:24depression, and you lose your morals, then you will become a nihilist. If you don't take pleasure in much

04:31of anything, and you lose your morals, you will become a nihilist. If you do have energy, and you're not

04:36sort of prone to depression, and you do take pleasure in things, when you lose your morals, you will become a

04:43hedonist for a time. But the problem, of course, with being a hedonist is you end up as an nihilist

04:50in the long run, because you need to renew your dopamine. You need to recharge your dopamine. So for

05:00instance, when you master walking as a kid, you know, yay, good job, right? You master walking as a

05:07baby, as a toddler, you're very excited, you're very happy, you're very thrilled. I remember when I first

05:12mastered walking, it was great. I remember when I first mastered riding a bike, it was great. I

05:20remember when I first mastered how to write a poem or spell complex words, like I felt good, I felt great.

05:27And that's nice. But it diminishes. And it's supposed to diminish. If we had the same level of joy

05:39over the course of our lives, from walking, as we did when we first learned to walk, we would do

05:47nothing but be overjoyed at walking around and never get anything of any greater note or import

05:52achieved, right? So happiness diminishes on reuse. The first time you ask a girl out and she says yes,

06:03you're thrilled. And then if you date her for a year, and the first time you said, are you free

06:09Saturday? Would you like to go out? And she says yes. And you've never dated her before. You're

06:12thrilled and excited and you can't wait. And right. But after you've dated her for a year, and you say,

06:17hey, are you free Saturday? I mean, you're happy when she says yes, right? But not as happy as when you

06:23first asked her out. Of course, right? So pursuing pleasure diminishes unless the skill level increases.

06:35The first time I did a great serve in tennis, I was very happy. But if I do a great serve in tennis

06:42now, I'm less happy. That's sort of become the norm. And if I serve badly, then I'm unhappy,

06:49so to speak, right? So the problem with hedonism is it's repetitive. Oh, I had sex. Oh, I had sex.

06:57Oh, I had sex. Oh, I had sex. Okay, but building towards what? Growing towards what? There's an old

07:05David Spade routine about some friend of his who was a stoner, who was in the basement with the

07:10aquarium. And it's like, oh, yeah, this fish, she really likes going back there by that little

07:13plastic skull. She really likes that spot. And it's like, meaning what? Like, and the reason it was

07:18depressing. There was a, I can't remember her name. I think she's an Asian comedian who was talking

07:23about how she didn't want to become one of these women in their early 50s who are lonely and isolated

07:33and go and float in the public pool at five o'clock in the morning trying to achieve peace of mind.

07:38Very vivid. Very vivid. So people who continue to do the same things will get diminished pleasure each

07:49time, right? The first time you make any decent money, you're completely thrilled, right? Oh,

07:56I made $10,000. I'm thrilled, right? But if you're already a multimillionaire and you make another $10,000,

08:03which you probably do every day with your investments, it's less thrilling, right? So

08:07I don't think I need to understand the hedonic treadmill, right? That pleasure diminishes

08:11if you keep doing the same thing. Hedonism is keeping doing the same thing. And it diminishes.

08:20The pleasure diminishes. And because hedonism comes at the expense of virtue, when the happiness

08:28in hedonism diminishes, as it will inevitably, then you're left with nothing and then you become

08:34a nihilist, which is a very sort of common frame of mind. It's a very common process, right? So the

08:42end result of no longer believing in or acting on objective morality, whether you go straight

08:50to nihilism, or you go through hedonism, you get to nihilism by a slightly more circuitous route,

09:01either way, you're not happy. Either way, you end up with nothing. So if you like a girl as a teenager,

09:12but you don't ask her out, and then you end up not asking other girls out, and you end up,

09:16right? So in the immediate, like in the moment, in the immediate, you feel relief. Oh, right? If you

09:22were going to ask that girl out for sure today, and it turns out at school, like she was sick that

09:27day or wasn't available or whatever it was, then you're like, oh, thanks. Thank goodness. I don't

09:33have to go through and face that rejection today, right? So there's relief, right? Which is a pleasure,

09:39or at least not a pain. If you continue to not ask girls out, women out, then you're going to end up

09:48pretty miserable and isolated and lonely, and you will end up entrenching that avoidance.

09:56So the way that people deal with the collapse in purpose that arises from disbelieving in the

10:06virtue and value of objective morality, there's two ways that people deal with it, which characterize

10:14both nihilism and hedonism. So the nihilist distracts himself in general. He doesn't believe

10:23in morality. He has no way really to organize his life. It doesn't really matter what he does,

10:30right or wrong, good or bad, doesn't really matter. He may, in fact, turn toxic, right,

10:35in turn, a lot of nihilists turn toxic and aggressive. And in the misery loves company

10:40scenario, they end up destroying the concepts of objective morality in everyone else so that,

10:50you know, everyone else can be, well, as miserable as they are, right? That's the general approach,

10:57right? So when you lose meaning, you become a nihilist or you cement your relationship with

11:06nihilism with distractions. And because hedonism is another kind of distraction, but it's more the

11:13pursuit of a positive. So nihilists will get into a lot of video gaming, they might get into other

11:20things that distract them, certain kinds of meditations, and so on. But they will work to

11:26distract themselves from the emptiness of a life without moral purpose. Hedonists will jam-packed

11:34their dopamine receptors with immediate stimuli, but with no progress, with no purpose. So in

11:42particular, if they focus on sex, then they just have a lot of empty, meaningless, bad sex that generates

11:47resentment and disappointment. And then they end up running out of pleasure, but they burnt out their

11:55dopamine receptors, they have given up on virtue, and then they've usually done so much harm by being

12:00hedonists that they can't ever really achieve virtue again. I was talking to a woman, 34 years old,

12:07who had a mother who had two bad marriages, and this woman had two bad relationships, live-in

12:13relationships, one marriage, one not. And I was sort of pointing out that her mother probably cannot be

12:21criticized anymore because she's made so many mistakes and done so dirty by her kids that she

12:26couldn't take any kind of objective moral examination of what she was doing. So hedonism is kind of like a

12:37dead cat bounce, you know, like a cat dies and falls, but its legs cause it to bounce, right? So it's a dead

12:44cat bounce, or it's like how the fingernails keep growing after you're dead, you're here and so on,

12:48right? So hedonism is, I've fallen into the abyss of anti-humanity called not believing in the virtue and

12:59value of objective morals, but I'm going to bounce into hedonism because not believing in objective

13:04morals releases you from moral standards and allows you to do what you want, do what they will shall

13:09be the whole of the law. So now you can just chase your dopamine, but it's repetitive. And of course,

13:15you know, what you do sex in a pair bonding relationship, I mean, it's not like you're doing

13:19crazy acrobatics every week, but it is serving the purpose of cementing love and pair bonding and

13:26happiness in each other and all of that. So it has sort of a purpose, right? Empty sex is just

13:32feeding the dopamine in a diminishing way because it's not building towards anything. It's not

13:37cementing a family bond. It's not providing a stable foundation from which to raise children

13:41and so on, right? If I did the same show over and over, I mean, this whole hedonism and nihilism

13:48distinction is a new argument. It's a new idea. It's a new approach. If I was doing the same thing over

13:53and over again, and I've seen people do that, do the same speech. I saw the same speech from one guy

13:58Libertarian Conference. You know, five years later, he gave the same speech. I couldn't,

14:01I couldn't, I couldn't do it. I can't even do, I can't even debate using the same arguments I did

14:06previously. So happiness in virtue works because you can always increase your expertise in virtue and

14:18you can always increase the spread and reach and efficacy of your communication about virtue.

14:26So you can always, there's an infinite growth to being better at virtue. It doesn't end, right?

14:31It doesn't end. Like love. If you love someone, you love them more and more until it's like crazy.

14:36You think, oh my God, I love this person so much. And then the next week, month, year, you love them

14:40even more. So there's no end to that. There's no cap to that. Like if you're really into sprinting,

14:47right? You're really good at sprinting. Well, unless you love hernias, you may not have a lifelong

14:53devotion or dedication to sprinting. If you like, I don't know, picking up young women and having sex

15:02with them. It's like, okay, when you get into your forties and your fifties, like that old Eddie

15:05Murphy routine about being the crusty old guy in the club, then you're going to run out of that.

15:11If you really like drugs, then you're going to start off by chasing a high and end up by being

15:18enslaved to avoiding a low, a down, right? So virtue is the one thing that you can keep

15:25getting better at and keep enjoying. I would say that I've been at a steady eight out of 10 happiness

15:31for decades. I mean, not steady, but it kind of bounces back to that after being up and down

15:39sometimes for various reasons. And I would say that's pretty good. I would say for me, I don't

15:45know, objectively for me, eight out of 10 in terms of happiness, like minus 10 being suicidal,

15:51plus 10 being like sheer orgasmic bliss. So plus eight is pretty good. And if I was simply repeating

16:00the same things that I did 20 years ago, I would not get that. You must progress in order to maintain

16:06your happiness. And virtue is really the one thing that you can continue to increase and improve upon

16:15and spread in your life until you're dead. Again, sort of barring some sort of mental degenerative

16:22disorder, which is going to affect everything. It's not like that just affects a virtue. And so

16:28spreading happiness through reason and virtue is the best. A thing that you can do for continued

16:34happiness, which is why when people want to make you miserable, they will try and talk you out of a

16:40belief in objective virtue. Trust me, it happens in just about in each one of my call-in shows.

16:46There's usually one person who is trying to talk me out of objective virtues and values or being highly

16:52skeptical about it. And I understand where it comes from. Misery loves company, but I have to sort of push

17:00back hard against it as you can imagine. All right. I hope that makes sense. Another question is

17:08mentioning a Sharon Moore scandal and was asking me, Steph, what is the relationship between keeping

17:16temptation out of your life and resisting temptation? In other words, should a successful man hire a super

17:24heart assistant or should he not do that in order to remove temptation from his path? So I don't know

17:36if I have any objective answer to this. I'll just sort of tell you my personal answer, which is, you know,

17:40I have a sweet tooth and it comes from growing up poor and British, but I have a sweet tooth. And one of

17:48the reasons, of course, that British people have sweet tooths and sweet teeth is because a lot of

17:56her ancestors were over the empire and on the high seas and so on, like the British empire. And you

18:03needed to enjoy citrus fruits in order to get the vitamin C to avoid scurvy. So those who didn't have

18:09a sweet tooth, because a sweet tooth is designed to draw you towards fruit, right? Fruit is brightly colored

18:14and sweet. Candy wrappers are brightly colored and sweet, right? So, so a sweet tooth is sort of a

18:19British, a British thing. In other words, those who had sweet teeth and sought out more exotic fruits

18:25tended to do better overall. So because I have a sweet tooth, if there's candy around, I might snack

18:35on it a bit. And it's not just, you know, whether it's weight or anything like that. You know, when you

18:39get older, I mean, you should try and take care of your teeth as a whole. But as you get older,

18:43I really don't want any teeth problems. So I keep away from that kind of stuff. So I just find it

18:50easier. The four C's, right? Cookies, candy, chips, and chocolate. Crisps, as they'd say. Bit odd,

18:56in it? So I don't have those things in the house. I've asked my wife. My wife is better with this sort

19:04of stuff. She doesn't have the same kind of sweet tooth. But I've asked my wife not to buy that stuff

19:09for many, many years. And she's fine with that. I mean, around Christmas, I'll have a little bit

19:13more. But in general, I will avoid that stuff. And it's easier for me just to not have it in the

19:22house. In the same way, you've got some glass walled office, you're some executive, and you've

19:27got some super hot Donna-style receptionist or secretary out there. And you're going to start

19:35probably fantasizing and eyeballing and so on. And she may in fact have designs upon you as sort of the

19:41alpha. And it just seems like it's just easier. You know, if you've got a sweet tooth, don't put a

19:49big pile of your favorite chocolates in a bowl on your desk. Just why? Why would you want to put

19:55temptation right there if you have a weakness for a certain thing, right? Like, I don't like

20:01lollipops. So if there was a big bowl of lollipops, I would be pretty easy to not get them. So I think

20:08in general, prevention is better than cure. And to not have that kind of temptation around is just

20:16better and wiser as a whole. Somebody has asked me about the general state of the economy.

20:25And what my thoughts are while recognizing that I'm not exactly a subject matter expert.

20:30And the economy is an illusion. The matrix is fiat currency. The matrix is a psychotic fantasy that

20:38makes people insane by not giving them accurate feedback about their bad choices. So people make

20:46bad choices, and the government prints a bunch of money, and people are buying. Elimination of the

20:53effects of bad choices through their vote, right? And if you vote for the right people,

21:00then those people will counterfeit a bunch of money, stealing from the more productive and the

21:04more responsible and the savers, in order to hurl money at you so you can avoid the negative

21:09consequences of your bad choices. Oh, I just talked about this in the show last night, so I won't

21:13go through the whole list. I think we're all aware of what it is. So the economy is

21:19bribing idiots by taxing the responsible, either directly or indirectly through inflation. But that

21:30is the entire purpose of the modern economy, is to subsidize fools at the expense of the wise. And

21:38therefore, it becomes unwise to become wise, and a certain kind of wisdom to be a fool. So the economy

21:46is not real. The economy is like a guy who owes the casino $10,000, and he's just starting to leave,

21:57so he's fine. Like he's not cornered and aggressed against or whatever they would do to get you to pay

22:01up, you know, whether it's sinister or not. So if you have a neighbor, and he lays us around a lot,

22:10doesn't really seem to work and seems to be doing just fine, he's like, oh, maybe he won the lottery,

22:17maybe he inherited a bunch of money, maybe this, maybe that. But the reality, of course, is that

22:22it's an illusion. He's just getting more and more into debt, and he's going to lose everything over

22:27time, or at least he would, in a sort of sane economic universe and so on. So he is very

22:37irresponsible, and his kid's private school is going to vanish, you know, like one of the

22:44Gibb brothers who got into cocaine, the youngest one. And his brother said, if you keep doing the

22:49cocaine, like, all of these gold records, this house, this pool, these nice cars, all of it goes

22:54away. And I think he ended up dying of the drugs. And so, yeah, it's all an illusion. Like, I look

23:02around, and I see everything is shimmering. Everything is unreal. And the wake-up, the waking

23:11up is going to be brutal. And tragically and sadly, ultra-violent, and so on. And hopefully,

23:19hopefully this will be mankind's never-again moment, that you can't just print your way,

23:25print your way into prosperity, that democracide is inevitable, and that whatever

23:32you create to protect you will end up consuming and destroying you, blah-de-blah-de-blah. And

23:38hopefully we'll have this never-again moment where the correct, I mean, my purpose here is

23:41to document the decline so that in the future, after the cataclysms, or I like to write about

23:49it in my novel, The Future, that in the future, they will look back and they'll say, oh, okay,

23:54so that's what happened. Okay. Good to know. It's good to know that that's what happened so that we

24:01don't do it again. That is the goal. I'm not, you know, I had some hope at the beginning, of course,

24:09that I and others would be able to avert the disaster. But we have, either we failed or it was

24:18impossible to succeed. I tend a little bit more towards the latter, but I'm very glad that I tried.

24:23But yeah, I do the same thing with society that I did with my family, which is to try and make them

24:32sane and good. And if they won't listen, I am free from responsibility. I'm free of, like, I did my best.

24:42I put the information in front of the world. I made the case. I put the data together. I took the

24:49hits and the blowback and the this and the that. So I did everything reasonable to avert the disaster

24:56that is coming. But I can't make people do the right thing. It's a free will thing. I can't make

25:02people do the right thing. I don't think I could have done more. I think if I'd done more, I could

25:07have been crooked and not in the William Shatner way. So then I would not be able to pursue my goal,

25:15which is to produce maximum philosophy over the course of my life. Right. And it's like when I

25:20was playing Zork when I was a kid, I remember a friend of mine was talking about maximum verbosity.

25:26And he was very excited by you could type in maximum verbosity into the text game Zork and it would

25:33reply maximum verbosity and it would give you the most detailed explanations. And that's really been

25:39sort of my goal and approach in life as a whole is to maximum philosophy, maximum philosophy. And

25:46I think I did that. And I may have been too early, but you don't know that you're too early.

25:53Right. If you if you say charge, right, and you're running across a field and then you look back and

25:58nobody's following you. Well, were you too early? No, it's just that people chose, well, not to

26:04follow you, which, you know, may be a failure on my part or whatever, but I'm not really sure

26:08what I could have done that would have been remarkably different. But so so I did did maximum

26:17philosophy and it wasn't enough. And that is I don't know that I could have been clearer. I don't

26:25know that I could have been. I tried to be engaging, enjoyable and tried to interview the experts so

26:29people didn't think that stuff was just my particular personal opinion. And so I think I did

26:35the maximum that I could certainly with, you know, 12 books and 6,500 shows. I, I'm not sure I could

26:42have done more. And so I did the maximum that I could. So, yeah, the economy is a mirage. The people

26:51are ghosts in a way. So if you're kept alive by moral crimes, in other words, if your sustenance

27:01is from theft, predation, lies, fraud, then you are not survivable in a free society, like

27:13you will not survive, at least without massive change, right? So if you are stealing and cheating

27:20and lying, then you are not viable in a free economy in your current state, right? So there

27:28are billions of people around the world who are alive because of debt, which is looting

27:35from the next generation and unfunded liabilities and all the stuff that we've talked about a

27:40lot before. So they're kind of ghosts, in a way. Because if you survive based on debt, and the debt

27:50is unsustainable, then your life is unsustainable. Now, of course, some people, of course, will make

27:59the change and make the transition and so on, and adapt. And some people won't. I mean, most

28:05people will, but some people won't. So the buildings are holograms, and some not insignificant

28:13proportion of the population are kind of ghosts, just feeding late-time vampires off the unborn.

28:21And it's not real. None of it is in particular real. It is pillaging from the past in the momentum

28:28of prior expertise. And it is stealing from the future to bribe people into precarious existence

28:35in the here and now. So a lot of people are kind of ghostly. And most of what we have is just prior

28:44momentum, right? Like if you're in a jet fighter, and you're climbing skyward, and then both of your

28:52engines fail, or all four of your engines fail, you'll still have some upward momentum. But you're

28:59going to crash, right? So you don't have any thrust, you don't have any energy that's keeping you aloft

29:03anymore. So that is where things are. The engines are gone. There's momentum from prior intellectual

29:11energy and the prior meritocracy. Like we built our civilization, at least in the West, based upon

29:16a pretty raw meritocracy. And we've replaced that with feelings and hysterical equality fetishes and so

29:24on. And so the meritocracy that drives our civilization is gone. And so we still have upward momentum, but

29:32the engine, the propulsion power is no more. And so the economy is an illusion. All right. P.S. Morgan's

29:42attacks on Nick Fuentes are driven by the same internal emotional energy that made Will Smith's

29:47attack Chris Rock. Thoughts? I don't know. I don't really know why Chris Rock was attacked by Will

29:52Smith. But I don't want to speak for Monsieur, Signor Fuentes. But I will say this, sort of young

30:00edgelords who are like, saying Hitler is, there's pluses to Hitler and stuff like that. I mean, they're

30:06just exposing this kind of hypocrisy on the boomers. And the boomers, I don't think we'll ever see it.

30:12Boomers are absolutely immune to self-knowledge and perception of their own hypocrisy. So if

30:19totalitarians like Hitler are really bad, which they are, then why are there communists all throughout

30:29academia? If praising totalitarians is so absolutely unacceptable, then why do people throughout

30:36history who praised totalitarians, why are they still acceptable? I mean, we can go through

30:43a list. I mean, Will Durante and Vladimir Lenin had talked about how, sorry, Albert Einstein talked

30:52about how positive Vladimir Lenin was. And so, I mean, there's sort of endless lists of pro-socialist,

31:02pro-communist intellectuals, there's endless lists of people who praise murderous dictators,

31:09and so on. And they're all fine. So there's not a principle here, right? There's no principle here.

31:16It's turf war. It's Bloods versus Crips. There's no principle. I mean, if those who start wars and

31:24cause the deaths of countless people are bad, then what's more vivid and recent and punishable,

31:33I suppose, are the architects of the war on terror, and the Iraq war in particular. It was based on a

31:40lie, as sold by the media, and so on. And what about the people who pushed all the COVID stuff?

31:47I mean, if Hitler is evil, as he is, as he was, then one of the things that made the Nazis evil were

31:55forcing people to take medical treatments without informed consent, right? So that's, I mean,

32:03literally was called the Nuremberg Code, because it came out of the Nazi regimes. So if Nazism is so bad,

32:09then, which it is, right, then why do people get away with praising dictators on the left? And why do

32:16people, why are people still praising COVID responses? And why are the architects of the

32:23Iraq war not facing any negatives, right? So boomers have emotions, and they don't have principles.

32:32They are programmed. They don't sit there and say, okay, so why was Hitler bad? Well, he was a

32:36totalitarian and a dictator. Okay. All right. So then totalitarians and dictators are the category of

32:43which Hitler is a part, and therefore all totalitarians and dictators should be hated and

32:49feared, and we should have discussed with anyone who supports any totalitarians and dictators. Oh,

32:54why else was Hitler bad? Well, he started wars. And so everyone who starts wars that are not defensive

32:59should be condemned. And like, so there's no, there's no principles at play here. I mean,

33:06just, just everyone knows. And so I think that's one of the things that is occurring. And, you know,

33:14the boomer thing is to just repeat what somebody says with shock and incredulity. You're really

33:20saying that, oh, I'm stunned, I'm stunned that you would even, right? And this sort of shock and,

33:28you know, it's not an argument, right? But of course, the reasons why people can't say,

33:36why they're upset about something is because they don't have defensible positions. So they just

33:41have to have outrage and shock. And I can't believe it. Because if they say, well, Hitler's bad because

33:50of X, Y, and Z, which I'm sure I would agree with 99.9999% of all of that, it's like, okay, well,

33:56then, then who else displays those characteristics? Who is more current, more present, and you don't have

34:02to go back 80 or 90 years, right? Who is more vivid and more present in these horrific crimes that the

34:13Nazis did? Who's, who's more vivid and present in, in these issues? Well, of course, it generally tends

34:21to be these leftist socialist communists. And so if Nazism is bad, which it is, then it's a dead and

34:30spent historical force, right? And so if Nazism is bad, then we have to deal with the other

34:39totalitarians, the totalitarians of the left. But nobody notices, nobody cares. Or the totalitarians

34:45of the right, who started the Iraq war. I mean, again, just sort of one of sort of many instances

34:51or potentialities. But yeah, so they won't, they won't act on principle. And I think that's where

34:57the edgelords are coming. I don't want to speak. I can't speak for any of them. Of course, I've just,

35:01that would be my guess as, as a whole. All right, I hope that helps. Freedomain.com

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