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00:00Arminia i Azerbażdżan
00:03surprised the world with a historic peace agreement
00:06after decades of tragic war.
00:09But the secret ingredients to what was called
00:12an impossible peace have never been made public.
00:14But now Euronews has the opportunity
00:17to sit down with two of the key actors
00:19to discuss it further.
00:20In this edition of Eurasia Talks
00:23we're joined by Armen Gregorian,
00:25the Secretary of the Security Council of Armenia
00:28and Hikmet Hajjev, the Assistant to the President of Azerbaijan.
00:35Gentlemen, thank you for joining us on this episode of Eurasia Talks.
00:39I wanted to begin by asking you
00:41how did your first contacts happen
00:44and what made it possible
00:46to unblock the standoff that we've been seeing?
00:49Hikmet.
00:50Thank you to Jane for the opportunity to talk
00:53and I remember our first good days when we come together
00:56and discussing our agenda of the peace.
00:58It was right after the 2020 military engagement.
01:01We in Brussels had a good chance to meet
01:03and with the support and facilitation of our EU friends.
01:07But since that time,
01:08upon the instruction of our leaders
01:10we had a one concrete agenda
01:12how we can advance the peace
01:14and also how we can put aside the disagreements
01:16that we had together.
01:17And Azerbaijan at that time
01:19we over again demonstrated our good willingness
01:22and also initiative about a peace agenda
01:25and with our Mayamanian colleagues
01:27also through other channels as well
01:29we were discussing advancement of the peace agenda together.
01:32Armen, obviously with those discussions
01:35you know, what was it that your leadership
01:37and yourselves, you know,
01:39how did you come to the conclusion
01:41that peace was possible?
01:44both in Yerevan and in Baku
01:46I'm sure the leadership have been thinking
01:49how to bring peace and stability to the region.
01:52My Prime Minister have been publicly
01:55very intensively talking
01:56how much our society needs peace
02:00and we have been seeing that
02:03there is the same will in Baku
02:06and we have been intensively working
02:08to that direction.
02:10here
02:11I think the first meeting was 21-22
02:14between me and Hikmet
02:16and now we are sitting here
02:18and discussing
02:19how to institutionalize the peace
02:21how to move forward
02:23in that context
02:24so the success is great
02:26and we are also celebrating that.
02:29We're here at the Doha Forum
02:30and obviously
02:31I heard you talking earlier
02:33and I think Hikmet
02:34you refer to each other as colleagues
02:35that's a bold step forward
02:37and a real positive thing
02:38to use that terminology
02:40with each other
02:41in this journey together.
02:43Yeah, really indeed
02:44within the Armenian side
02:46and the Azerbaijan system
02:47of Washington
02:48we are working on
02:49the concrete elements
02:50of the peace agenda
02:51that we have agreed
02:52in Washington
02:53and Azerbaijan demonstrates
02:54it's a full commitment
02:56to the agenda
02:57that we have agreed
02:58one of the important topics
02:59on our agenda
03:00is about the corridor
03:01and again we do hope
03:02that the corridor
03:04from the Azerbaijan side
03:05is considered
03:06the Zenggazir corridor
03:07and also on the Trump corridor
03:08where we are working together
03:09for its implementation
03:10we think that it will change
03:12completely
03:13the transport map
03:15of the Eurasian continent
03:16and also in Armenia
03:17Azerbaijan
03:18bring us together
03:19and working together
03:20and will also contribute
03:21to build
03:22a mutual economic dependence
03:24and in a broader sense
03:25it will also create
03:27the economic benefits
03:28of the peace agenda
03:29for both of our countries
03:31for our broader region
03:32but we also
03:34what we understood
03:35that peace
03:36is like a strategic commodity
03:37that we are delivering
03:38to the international community
03:40but in the meantime
03:41we cannot render ourselves
03:42to the comfort zone
03:43and we know
03:44where to institutionalize
03:46and solidify
03:47the peace on the ground
03:48and to maintain it
03:49and also to bring it
03:50to the future generations
03:52it requires a lot of hard work
03:53from both countries
03:55and also both societies
03:56but in the meantime
03:57what we see
03:58is a full commitment
03:59from our countries
04:00to work on that dimension
04:01What is the realistic timeline
04:03for finalizing
04:04this peace deal?
04:05The peace deal
04:06in Abu Dhabi discussions
04:07this year in Samma
04:09we had an open
04:10and broad discussion
04:11with the Armenian side
04:12and my president
04:13and Armenian Prime Minister
04:14and also delegations
04:16that we are attending
04:17we discussed
04:18an important competence
04:19including the elements
04:21that are still on our agenda
04:23of outstanding issues
04:24I think that we are
04:25on the right track
04:26towards a complete
04:28signing of the peace agreement
04:30but more than that
04:32what I would like to highlight
04:33that we have a real peace
04:34on the ground
04:35what is an experience
04:36of international community
04:37shows that
04:38on many post-conflict situations
04:39and conflict situations
04:40there are agreements
04:41and arrangements on the paper
04:42but there is no real peace
04:43on the ground
04:44but we have a real peace
04:45on the ground
04:46de facto peace on the ground
04:47we should solidify it
04:48and we should strengthen it
04:49and also bring it
04:50to the future generations
04:51Armin, how would you describe
04:53the political relationship
04:54and atmosphere
04:55between the two countries?
04:57all the agreements
04:58that we had anywhere
05:00all of them are in public
05:02and the peace process
05:06that have been in a process
05:09for a long time
05:11I mean bilateral
05:12we have been working
05:13towards the peace
05:14and actually
05:15we will continue working
05:17on that direction
05:18with Azerbaijan
05:20first of all
05:21to sign the peace agreement
05:22and ratify it
05:24at the same time
05:25we consider unblocking
05:26very much important
05:28the big beautiful deal
05:30that we reached
05:31in Washington
05:33and now we are trying
05:34to implement
05:35is very much important
05:37and part of that deal
05:38is Trump route
05:39for international peace
05:41and prosperity
05:42the connectivity project
05:44that will bring
05:46economic benefit
05:48to the region
05:49we are working
05:50on that direction
05:51I hope
05:52we are now
05:53intensively discussing
05:54with Americans
05:55the project implementation
05:58of the trip
05:59as soon as
06:00we finalize
06:01we will start
06:02implementation project
06:04I hope
06:05it will be very soon
06:06and after that
06:08the whole technical process
06:11will start
06:12and we will work
06:14on that direction
06:15to unblock the region
06:16to open the trip
06:18which is very huge
06:19very huge
06:20and very important
06:21historical project
06:22in our region
06:23so we continue
06:24to work
06:25on that direction
06:26Armenia-Azerbaijan
06:27peace agenda
06:28we are also not acting
06:29in a diplomatic limbo
06:30we are also
06:31looking at
06:32international experience
06:33and international precedent
06:34and Good Friday agreement
06:35between the 1998
06:37United Kingdom
06:38and Republic of Ireland
06:39it also paved the way
06:41with the current status
06:42of the good relations
06:43between the two countries
06:44we are also
06:45making certain precedent
06:46from that arrangements
06:47as well
06:48and looking forward
06:49for the resolution
06:50of one outstanding issue
06:51that is still a matter
06:52of the concern
06:53of the Azerbaijan side
06:54I think that
06:55once it is resolved
06:56we will not have
06:57any longer
06:58any stumbling block
06:59on our agenda
07:00of the peace
07:01but nevertheless
07:02let me repeat it again
07:03that we have a real peace
07:04on the ground
07:05and currently working
07:06through the parameters
07:07of the strengthening
07:08of the peace
07:09With world powers
07:10competing
07:11for massive
07:12regional economic opportunities
07:14what are your strategies
07:16for each of your countries
07:17Hikmet?
07:18Really our strategy
07:19is that
07:20not to make the region
07:21of the South Caucasus
07:22as an arena
07:23of the competition
07:24or the confrontation
07:25our agenda
07:26is to make the region
07:27of the South Caucasus
07:28as an arena
07:29of the cooperation
07:30an engagement
07:31and a partnership
07:32think about Armenia
07:33Azerbaijan
07:34peace agenda
07:35in the global context
07:36of the conflicts
07:37and wars
07:38at least one success story
07:39one chapter of the conflict
07:40is closed
07:41there is a real peace
07:42on the ground
07:43within the global powers
07:45they support our peace
07:46agenda on the ground
07:47whether it's in
07:48connectivity projects
07:49whether it's in a
07:50normalization
07:51between the two countries
07:52and also new economic
07:53partnerships
07:54and as Armenia
07:55and Azerbaijan
07:56we are working
07:57on the fundamental concept
07:58of the economic benefit
07:59of the peace
08:00I think that our
08:01international partners
08:02can also contribute to that
08:03Look
08:04it's very much important
08:05that the peace project
08:09is an inclusive process
08:11we don't try to exclude anyone
08:13in order to let them
08:14to fight it
08:15so this is a very inclusive process
08:18in the context of the peace
08:19we have suggested
08:20the peace crossroad project
08:22which is about
08:23connectivity in the region
08:26and within that context
08:27by the way
08:28TRIP is part
08:29for that project
08:30and in that context
08:33we are working
08:34to implement the project
08:35and see the regional partners
08:38engaging in that
08:40and seeing the unblocking
08:42of the region
08:43as an inclusive process
08:45that's very much important
08:46and I am sure
08:48that will bring
08:49more stability
08:50in the region
08:51and we don't see
08:53our region
08:54as a competing place
08:57because competition
08:59in a good sense
09:00of that economic
09:01from economic perspective
09:02it's good
09:03but from other perspectives
09:05sometimes it can
09:07very firstly damage
09:08to the countries
09:09that are living
09:10in the region
09:11so
09:12a little bit
09:13historically speaking
09:14the region
09:15of the South Caucasus
09:16historically
09:17and unfortunately
09:18was in a battle space
09:19of the big empires
09:20and big powers
09:21now it's not related
09:22to the current state
09:23of the region
09:24but now Azerbaijan
09:25at least from his side
09:26and I see the same
09:27willingness from the Armenian
09:28side as well
09:29to transform the region
09:30and to make it
09:31marketplace
09:32investment place
09:33for the cooperation
09:34what guarantees
09:35can you give
09:36the people of your country
09:37that this peace
09:38is going to last
09:39and their safety
09:40I think that
09:41our signature
09:43it matters a lot
09:44and it was in front
09:45of the international community
09:46in Oval Office
09:47my president
09:48and he declared
09:49Azerbaijan's
09:50and over declared
09:51Azerbaijan's
09:52full commitment
09:53to the peace agenda
09:54for us wars
09:55and a conflict is over
09:56and sovereignty
09:57and territorial integrity
09:58was a must for Azerbaijan
09:59it has been restored
10:00and therefore
10:01such a full commitment
10:03to our Washington
10:04agenda
10:05that we have agreed
10:06as a demonstration
10:07of our important
10:08political will
10:09and it's also a message
10:10to our society
10:11and also
10:12we have received
10:13a message
10:14from our society
10:15as well
10:16right after the Washington
10:17there was a huge jubilation
10:18and also positive reverberation
10:20in Azerbaijan's society
10:21about the peace
10:22and people also supporting that
10:24the political establishment
10:27both in Yerevan
10:28in Baku
10:29they have strong will
10:30for the peace
10:31that was demonstrated
10:32demonstrated
10:33before Washington
10:34but also reconfirming
10:36once more
10:37in Washington
10:38showing that
10:39there is a political will
10:40we also see
10:42as my colleague
10:43Hikmet mentioned
10:44both
10:45in the society
10:46in Armenia
10:47and in Azerbaijan
10:48there is
10:49support to the peace
10:51we are sure
10:52that implementation
10:53of the regional projects
10:54like
10:55TRIP
10:56and other ones
10:57will increase
10:59interdependency
11:00and strengthen the peace
11:01and also
11:02economic benefits
11:04that both societies
11:06will have
11:07it will have
11:08input
11:09in the long run
11:10to sustain the peace
11:12and strengthen the peace
11:13we are seeing that
11:14we are moving towards
11:15that direction
11:16and the proof of that
11:18is also that
11:19me and Hikmet
11:20in Doha Forum
11:21also sitting
11:22in your
11:24studio
11:25yes
11:26sitting
11:27in your
11:28studio
11:29speaking about
11:30the economic
11:31benefits
11:32of the peace
11:33signals
11:34that
11:35we will have
11:36long term
11:37well you have
11:39both discussed
11:40the importance
11:41of that trip
11:42to Washington
11:43and there is
11:44a very famous
11:45handshake
11:46in front of
11:47President Trump
11:48what was the atmosphere
11:49like in that room?
11:50could you have heard
11:51a pin drop?
11:52what was the feeling?
11:53it was really
11:54as far as I can remember
11:55it was really
11:56a jubileous atmosphere
11:57and for the
11:58last 30 years
11:59both of our countries
12:00suffered from
12:01conflict
12:02and war
12:03and our peoples
12:04also suffered
12:05and finally we put
12:06the coffin
12:07of this conflict
12:08that's now over
12:09and it was also
12:10once again a demonstration
12:11of a stronger political
12:12will and firm will
12:13and in this case
12:14we also highly
12:15appreciate the role
12:16of the President Trump
12:17and American administration
12:18they also put
12:19a political weight
12:20of the American
12:21government
12:22on their peace agenda
12:23in the same manner
12:24it also had a huge
12:25reverberation
12:26and the spirit of
12:27Washington
12:28has a huge reverberation
12:29in the Azerbaijani society
12:30nevertheless
12:31there was a time
12:32difference
12:33between the Baku
12:34and Washington
12:35but the entire
12:36Azerbaijani society
12:37was waiting for that
12:38and they were celebrating
12:39in the social media
12:40in the media
12:41in Azerbaijan
12:42in a sense
12:43it's coincided
12:44in a public
12:45jubilation
12:46and also official
12:47full commitment
12:48of the Azerbaijani government
12:49to the peace agenda
12:50think about
12:51one chapter
12:52of the conflict
12:53on the international stage
12:54is over
12:55Amen, was it the same
12:56for Armenia?
12:57It was a celebration day
12:58and you know
13:00it's a big beautiful deal
13:02because everyone benefited
13:04from that
13:05Armenia benefited
13:06Azerbaijan benefited
13:07the United States
13:08benefited
13:09and the international community
13:10I'm sure in the long run
13:11will benefit
13:12that's why
13:13it's a deal
13:14because all sides
13:15benefited
13:16and it was a celebration
13:17as Sigmund mentioned
13:18the time
13:19change
13:20time difference
13:21between
13:22Yerevan
13:23and Washington
13:24is similar
13:25as in Baku
13:26and people were
13:27staying late night
13:28in order to watch that
13:30and I would be very frank
13:31I have received
13:32so many messages
13:33in my WhatsApp
13:35and other application
13:36people
13:37saying me
13:38thank you
13:39and celebrating that
13:40it was very much obvious
13:42also in social media
13:43as you can see
13:44that people are
13:45celebrating
13:46yes there are people
13:47who have been also
13:48skeptic
13:49but the most important thing
13:51is that
13:52most of them
13:54most of the public
13:56have been celebrating
13:57and after that
13:59we are seeing that
14:00the continuation
14:02of the dialogue
14:03the continuation
14:04of the positive messages
14:06for example
14:07after the Washington
14:08meeting
14:09both
14:10Vice Prime Minister
14:11of Armenia
14:12and Azerbaijan
14:13visited both
14:14Armenia to Azerbaijan
14:15lately
14:16our Vice Prime Minister
14:18Grigoyan
14:19visited to
14:20Gabala region
14:21and had a meeting
14:22there
14:23so all of these
14:24are signals
14:25and public
14:26are receiving it
14:27also positively
14:28and moving
14:29towards the peace
14:30and I'm sure
14:31in the long run
14:32people will also see
14:33the benefits
14:34of that
14:35economic benefits
14:36of the peace
14:37We're here as we mentioned
14:38in Doha
14:39and the Qatari governments
14:40have been
14:41very heavily involved
14:42in negotiations
14:43and mediations
14:45internationally
14:46you know
14:47how important
14:48and where do you see
14:49the future
14:50of that international
14:51involvement going
14:52going
14:53in terms of
14:54you know
14:55the Qataris
14:56the EU
14:57and the US
14:58Well we appreciate
14:59all international
15:00efforts that
15:01contribute to the
15:02peace agenda
15:03but what was the beauty
15:04of Armenia-Azerbaijan
15:05agenda
15:06is that it was a
15:07bilateral process
15:08there was a complete
15:09belief in the
15:10two capitals
15:11that first
15:12Baku and Yerevan
15:13we need a peace
15:14and we need a peace
15:15for our future generations
15:16for our peoples
15:17and we started
15:18our active
15:19bilateral diplomatic
15:20engagement
15:21it also brought us
15:22to the
15:23Washington discussions
15:24and some other
15:25agendas that we have
15:26again we can
15:27highly appreciate
15:28the role of the
15:29international community
15:30all our partners
15:31but Armenia-Azerbaijan
15:32I'm sure that based
15:33on the confidence
15:34that we are trying
15:35to build and based
15:36on the mechanisms
15:37of the interaction
15:38we built
15:39will continue to advance
15:40on our bilateral
15:41peace-building agenda
15:42We very much appreciate
15:43international community
15:44support but
15:45without that bilateral
15:46thing that was
15:47very strong
15:48and I'm sure that
15:49Abu Dhabi leaders meeting
15:52paved way for the
15:54Washington meeting
15:55and that was a very
15:57great success
15:58in that context
15:59and we very much
16:00appreciate also
16:01international community's
16:02engagement
16:03we are here in
16:05Doha Forum
16:06meeting with
16:07having panel
16:08and also sitting down
16:10in this studio
16:11speaking to the public
16:12and sending positive
16:14messages
16:15and overall
16:16that's also an effort
16:17coming from the
16:18coming from the Qataris
16:19and they are very much
16:20helpful
16:21and we very much
16:22I'm sure
16:23I'm speaking
16:24on both of us
16:25that we very much
16:26appreciate
16:27that Qataris
16:28gave this platform
16:29to us
16:30to speak also
16:31publicly
16:32and that's very much
16:33important
16:34It's been a real
16:35symbolism of hope
16:36what message
16:37do you think
16:38what you have achieved
16:39is giving to those
16:40around the world
16:41who are in war
16:43at war
16:44with each other
16:45It's always difficult
16:46to provide your own
16:47advice
16:48but we can provide
16:49our own
16:50example
16:51and here
16:52I think that
16:53also in other countries
16:54we demonstrated
16:55leading by example
16:56and there wasn't
16:57a really difficult
16:58and bloody war
16:59between the two countries
17:00and last 30 years
17:01two countries
17:02suffered from the deficit
17:03of the security
17:04and the deficit
17:05of the peace
17:06but with the political will
17:08and demonstration
17:09of the firm
17:10and stronger political will
17:11peace is achievable
17:12and as a result
17:13of the just peace
17:14has been ensured
17:15between Armenia
17:16and Azerbaijan
17:17now is the time
17:18and also work
17:19of the two governments
17:20and two peoples
17:21to make a long-lasting
17:22and irreversible
17:23peace on the agenda
17:24on the global agenda
17:25and also the regional agenda
17:26therefore peace
17:27is doable
17:28peace is achievable
17:29and it also requires
17:30full commitment
17:31to the norms
17:32and principles
17:33of international law
17:34and providing legality
17:35and legitimacy
17:36between the countries
17:37yeah it's very difficult
17:39to find two conflicts
17:40that are totally similar
17:43but you can find
17:44always some similarities
17:46and one of the important
17:47thing was that strong will
17:49both in Yerevan
17:50and in Baku
17:51was very much helpful
17:52in moving towards the peace
17:54the leadership
17:56in both countries
17:57have been intensively working
17:59even though a lot of difficulties
18:01you can imagine
18:02and in all conflicts
18:03it's very difficult
18:04to move forward
18:05because of the problem
18:07also of trust
18:08in all conflicts
18:10sides don't trust
18:11each other
18:12but we have been working
18:14towards this
18:15as in famous music
18:18it's said
18:19another brick to the wall
18:21in positive sense
18:23of that quote
18:24we have been working
18:26towards that
18:27trying to build that
18:28wall of trust
18:29trying to move
18:31to move in that direction
18:32that was very much helpful
18:34bilaterally creating that trust
18:37and then also international community support
18:41if you could send one message
18:42to the people of your neighbouring country
18:45what would that be?
18:46to continue working on strengthening the peace
18:50between Armenia and Azerbaijan
18:52between Armenia and Azerbaijan
18:54yes
18:55we went through the conflict
18:57we went through the pain
18:59both of us
19:01and
19:02we need to understand also
19:04that
19:05there is a chance of peace
19:07we have
19:08both to work on this direction
19:11institutionalize the peace
19:13and work on that direction
19:15and also
19:18see the benefits
19:20of the peace
19:21Hikmet
19:22what would you send
19:23as your message
19:24to your neighbouring people
19:25in Armenia?
19:26for Azerbaijan
19:28war and conflict is over
19:29currently
19:30Azerbaijan works on the peace
19:32and
19:33we are
19:34sure
19:35and hopeful
19:36that there will be
19:37irreversible peace
19:38between the two countries
19:39and it will be eternal
19:40for the future generations
19:41of the both countries
19:42and still we have
19:43a certain balance
19:44we understand that
19:45and we are at the end of the fact
19:46but we should look into the future
19:48Hikmet Arman
19:49thank you so much for joining us
19:50on Eurasia Talks
19:51on EURU News
19:52what a pleasure to see you both here today
19:53thank you so much
19:54thank you so much
19:55thanks for having us
19:56you're very welcome
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