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I negoziatori di pace di Azerbaigian e Armenia discutono di progetti futuri e stabilità
In un'intervista esclusiva a Euronews, i principali negoziatori di Armenia e Azerbaigian hanno spiegato pubblicamente come un processo di pace un tempo impensabile si sia trasformato in una strategia condivisa per la stabilità e la trasformazione economica.
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In un'intervista esclusiva a Euronews, i principali negoziatori di Armenia e Azerbaigian hanno spiegato pubblicamente come un processo di pace un tempo impensabile si sia trasformato in una strategia condivisa per la stabilità e la trasformazione economica.
ALTRE INFORMAZIONI : http://it.euronews.com/2025/12/10/i-negoziatori-di-pace-di-azerbaigian-e-armenia-discutono-di-progetti-futuri-e-stabilita
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00:00armenia and azerbaijan surprised the world with a historic peace agreement after decades of tragic
00:08war but the secret ingredients to what was called an impossible peace have never been made public
00:14but now euronews has the opportunity to sit down with two of the key actors to discuss it further
00:20in this edition of eurasia talks we're joined by armen gregorian the secretary of the security
00:26council of armenia and hikmet hadjev the assistant to the president of azerbaijan
00:35gentlemen thank you for joining us on this episode of eurasia talks i wanted to begin by asking you
00:41how did your first contacts happen and what made it possible to unblock the standoff that we've been
00:48seeing pigment thank you uh to jane for the opportunity to talk and i remember our first
00:54good days when we come together and discussing our agenda of the peace it was right after the 2020
01:00military engagement uh we in brussels had a good chance to meet and with support and facilitation
01:05of our eu friends but since that time uh upon the instruction of our leaders we had a one concrete
01:11agenda how we can advance the peace and also how we can put aside the disagreements that we had
01:16together and azerbaijan that time uh we over again demonstrated our good willingness and also uh initiative
01:24about the peace agenda and with our maya meridian colleagues also through other channels as well
01:29we were discussing advancement of the peace agenda together armen obviously with those um discussions
01:35you know what was it that your leadership and yourselves you know how did you come to the conclusion
01:41that peace was possible uh both in year one in bako i'm sure the leadership have been thinking how to
01:49bring peace and stability to the region my prime minister have been publicly very intensively talking
01:56how how much our society needs peace and uh we have been seeing that there is the same will in bako
02:06and we have been intensively working to that direction and here uh i think the first meeting was 21 22
02:14uh between me and hikmet and now we are sitting here and discussing how to institutionalize the peace
02:22how to move forward in that context so the the success is great and we are also celebrating that
02:29we're here at the doha forum and obviously i heard you talking earlier and i think hikmet you refer to
02:34each other as colleagues that's a bold step forward and a real positive thing to use that terminology with
02:40each other in this journey together yeah really indeed uh uh with an armenian uh side and a
02:46azerbaijan system of washington we are working on the concrete uh elements of the peace agenda that
02:51we have agreed in washington and azerbaijan demonstrates in a full uh commitment that was
02:56an agenda that we have agreed one of the important topics on our agenda is about in a corridor and again
03:01we do hope that uh within a corridor from azerbaijan side is in a considered and as engager corridor and also
03:07not a trump corridor where we are working together for an implementation we think that it will change
03:12in a completely uh the uh transport uh map of the eurasian continent and also in armenia azerbaijan
03:18bring us together and working together and will also contribute to build a mutual economic dependence
03:24and in a broader sense it will also create uh the economic benefits of the peace agenda for
03:30both of our countries for our broader region but we also what we understood that then a peace is like
03:36like a strategic commodity that we are delivering to the international community but in the meantime
03:41we cannot render ourselves as a comfort zone and we know where to uh institutionalize and solidify the
03:46peace on the ground and to maintain it and also uh to bring it to the future generations it requires
03:52a lot of hard work from both uh countries and also both societies but in the meantime what we see
03:57about in a full uh commitment from our countries to work on that dimension what is the realistic timeline
04:02for finalizing this peace deal the pistol uh in abu dhabi discussions uh this year in summer we had
04:09an open and broad discussion with an armenian side and my president and armenian prime minister and also
04:15uh delegations that we're attending uh we discussed an important competence including the uh elements uh
04:21that uh still on our agenda outstanding issues i think that we are on the right track towards a complete
04:27uh you know signing of the uh peace agreement but more than that what i would like to highlight that
04:33we have a real peace on the ground what is an experience of international community shows that
04:37on many post-conflict situations and conflict situations there are agreements and arrangements
04:41on the paper but there is no real peace on the ground but we have a real peace on the ground
04:45de facto peace on the ground we should solidify it and we should strengthen it and also bring it to
04:50the future generations armen how would you describe the political relationship and atmosphere
04:55between the two countries all the agreements that we had anywhere uh all of them are in public and
05:03the peace process uh that uh have been in a process for a long time i mean bilateral we have been
05:12working towards the peace and actually we will continue working on that direction uh with aserba john
05:20first of all to sign the peace agreement and ratify it uh at the same time we consider unblocking very much
05:27important the big beautiful deal that we reached reached in washington and now we are trying to
05:35implement is very much important and part of that deal is uh trump root for international peace and
05:41prosperity the connectivity project that will bring uh economic benefit to the region we are working on
05:49that direction i hope we are now intensively discussing with americans uh the project implementation of
05:58the trip uh as soon as we finalize we will start uh implementation project i hope it will be very soon
06:06uh and uh after that uh the whole technical process will start uh and we will work on that direction to
06:15um block the region to open the trip which is a very huge and very important historical project in our
06:22region so we continue to work on that direction uh armenia-azerbaijan peace agenda we are also not
06:28acting in a diplomatic limbo we are also looking at the international experience and international
06:33precedent and good friday agreement between the 1998 united kingdom and republic of ireland
06:39it also paved the way with the current status of the good relations between the two countries we are also
06:45making certain precedent from that and arrangements as well and looking forward for the resolution of
06:50one outstanding issue but still matter of the concern of azerbaijan side i think that once it's
06:55resolved we will not have any longer any stumbling block on our agenda of the peace but nevertheless let
07:01me repeat it over the game that we have a real peace on the ground and currently working through the
07:06parameters of the strengthening of the peace with world powers competing for massive regional economic
07:13opportunities what are your strategies for each of your countries hikmet really our strategy is that
07:19not to make the region of the source caucuses as an arena of the competition or in a confrontation
07:24our agenda is to make the region of the source caucuses as an arena of the cooperation and engagement
07:28and a partnership think about armenia-azerbaijan peace agenda in the global context of the conflicts
07:34and wars at least one success story one chapter of the conflict is closed there is a real peace on
07:39the ground and we are also inviting all our international partners including the global
07:43power powers they support our peace agenda on the ground whether it's in a connectivity projects
07:48whether it's in a normalization between the two countries and also new economic partnerships and
07:54as armenia and azerbaijan we are working on the fundamental concept of the economic benefit of the
07:59peace i think with our international partners can also contribute to that look uh it's very much
08:04important that uh the the peace project is an inclusive process uh we don't try to exclude anyone in order to let
08:13them to fight it uh so this is very inclusive process uh in the context of the peace we have suggested the peace
08:21crossroad project which is about uh connectivity in the region and within that context by the way trip is
08:29part for for that project and uh in that context we are working to implement the project and see
08:36the regional uh partners engaging in that and seeing the unblocking of the region as an inclusive process
08:45that's very much important and uh i'm sure that will bring more stability in the region and we don't see
08:53uh our region as a competing place because uh competition in a good sense of that economic from
09:01economic perspective it's good but from other perspectives sometimes it can very firstly damage to the
09:09countries that are living in the region so a little bit historically speaking the region of the
09:13souls caucuses historically and unfortunately it wasn't a battle space of the big empires and big powers now uh
09:20it's not related to the current state of the region but now azerbaijan at least from his side
09:25and i see the same willingness from the armenian side as well to transform the region and to make it
09:30marketplace investment place for the cooperation of then everybody what guarantees can you give
09:35the people of your countries that this peace is going to last and their safety i think that uh
09:41uh our signature it matters a lot and it was in front of the international community in oval office
09:46my president and he declared azerbaijan's and over declared and azerbaijan's full commitment to the
09:52peace agenda for us wars and a conflict is over and sovereignty and territorial integrity was a must
09:57for azerbaijan it has been restored and therefore uh such a uh full commitment to the washington agenda
10:04that we have agreed as a demonstration of our important political will and it's also a message to
10:09our society and also uh we have received with any message from our society as well right after
10:15in the washington's there was a huge jubilation jubilation and also a positive reverberation in
10:19azerbaijan society about zana peace and people also supporting that the political uh establishment
10:27both in yerevan in baku they have strong will for the peace uh that was demonstrated before washington
10:34but also uh reconfirming once more in washington showing that there is a political will uh we also see
10:41as my colleague hikmet mentioned uh both in the society in armenia and in azerbaijan there is uh support
10:49to the peace we are sure that implementation of the regional projects like uh trip and other ones will
10:58increase uh interdependency and strengthen the peace and also uh economic benefits that both societies
11:06will have uh it will have uh it will have an input in the long run to uh sustain the peace and strengthen
11:13the peace we are seeing that uh we are moving towards that direction and the proof of that is also that
11:19me and hikmet in doha forum also sitting in in your uh studio yes sitting in your studio speaking about the
11:30uh economic benefits uh of the peace signals that uh we will have uh long term well you have both
11:39discussed the importance of that trip to washington and there's a very famous handshake in front of
11:44president trump what was the atmosphere like in that room could you have heard a pin drop you know
11:50what what was the feeling it was really i can as far as i can remember it was really jubilee's atmosphere
11:56and for the uh you know last 30 years and both of our countries suffered from the conflict and the
12:01war and our peoples also suffered and finally we put a final nail to the call to the coffin of this
12:07conflict it's now over and it was also once again a demonstration of a stronger political will and
12:12firm will and in this case we also highly appreciate the role of the president trump and american
12:17administration they also put in a political weight of the american government on their peace agenda in
12:23in the same manner it also had a huge reverberation and spirit of the washington has a huge reverberation
12:28in azerbaijan society nevertheless there wasn't a time uh difference between the bakwa and washington
12:34this is that time but entire azerbaijan society uh was waiting for that and they were celebrating in
12:39a social media in media in azerbaijan in a sense it's coincided uh as in a public uh you know jubilation
12:45and also official uh full commitment of uh azerbaijanic government it was on a peace agenda think
12:51about one chapter of the conflict on the international stage is over armen was it the
12:55same for armenia it was a celebration day and uh you know it's a big beautiful deal because
13:02everyone benefited from that armenia benefited azerbaijan benefited united states benefited and
13:08international community i'm sure in the long run will benefit that's why it's a deal because all
13:14sides benefited and it was a celebration as sigmit mentioned the time change time difference between
13:21uh yerevan and washington is similar as in baku and people were staying late night in order to watch
13:29that and i would be very frank i have received so many messages uh in my whatsapp and other application
13:36people saying me thank you and celebrating that uh it was very much obvious also in social media as you
13:43can see that people are uh celebrate yes there are people who have been also skeptic yeah but the most
13:50important thing is that uh most of them most of the public have been celebrating and after that we are
13:59seeing that uh the continuation of the dialogue uh the continuation of the positive messages for example
14:07after the washington meeting both vice prime minister of armenia and azerbaijan visited both armenia to
14:14azerbaijan lately uh our vice prime minister gregoyan visited to gabala region and had a meeting there
14:23so all of these are signals and public are are receiving it also positively and moving towards the peace and
14:30i'm sure in the long run people will also see the benefits of that economic benefits of the peace
14:37we're here as we mentioned in doha and the qatari governments have been very heavily involved in
14:43negotiations and mediations internationally you know how important and where do you see the future
14:50of that international involvement going in terms of you know the qataris the eu and the u.s well we
14:58appreciate all international efforts that uh contributes to the peace agenda but what was in the beauty of
15:04armenia-azerbaijan agenda is that it wasn't a bilateral process there wasn't a complete belief
15:09in the two capitals but first baku and yerevan we need a peace and we need a peace for our future
15:15generations for our peoples and we started our active bilateral diplomatic engagement it also brought us
15:22to the washington discussions and some other agendas that we have again we can uh highly appreciate
15:27the role of the international community all our partners but armenia-azerbaijan i'm sure that based on the
15:32confidence that we are trying to build and based on the mechanisms of the interaction
15:36we built will continue advance on our bilateral peace building agenda we very much appreciate
15:42international community support but without that bilateral thing that was very strong and i'm sure
15:49that um abu dhabi leaders meeting uh paved way for the washington meeting and that was a very great
15:57success in that context and we very much appreciate also international communities uh engagement we are
16:04here in doha forum meeting with having panel and also sitting down in this studio speaking to the public
16:12and sending uh positive messages in overall uh that's also an effort coming from the qataris and they
16:19are very much helpful and we very much i'm sure i'm speaking on both of us that we very much appreciate
16:26that qataris gave this platform to us uh to speak also publicly and that's very much important it's
16:33been a real symbolism of hope what message do you think what you have achieved is giving to those around
16:40the world who are in war with at war with each other well it's always difficult to provide your own uh
16:47advice but we can provide our own uh example uh uh and here i think that also other countries we
16:54demonstrated leading by example yeah and there wasn't a really difficult and bloody war between
16:59the two countries and last 30 years two countries suffered from the deficit of the security and the
17:04deficit of the peace uh but with a political uh will and demonstration of the firm and stronger
17:10political will peace is achievable and as a result of which just peace has been ensured between
17:15armenia and azerbaijan now is enough time and also work of the two governments and two two peoples
17:21to make a long-lasting and irreversible peace on the agenda on the global agenda and also regional
17:26agenda therefore peace is doable peace is achievable and it also requires uh full commitment to the
17:32norms and principles of international law and providing legality and legitimacy between the
17:36countries yeah it's very difficult to find two conflicts that are uh totally similar but you can
17:43find always some similarities and one of the important thing was that uh strong will both in
17:50year one in baku was very much helpful in moving towards the peace uh the leadership in both countries
17:57have been intensively working even though a lot of difficulties you can imagine and in all conflicts
18:03it's very difficult to move forward because uh of the problem also of trust in all conflicts sides
18:10don't trust each other uh but we have been working towards this uh as in uh famous music it said
18:19another brick to the wall uh in positive sense of that quote uh we have been working towards that
18:27trying to build that uh wall of trust uh trying to work to move in that direction that was very much
18:34helpful bilaterally creating that trust and then also international community support if you could send
18:42one message to the people of your neighboring country what would that be to continue working on
18:50strengthening the peace between uh armenia and azerbaijan yes we went through the conflict we went through
18:59the pain uh both of us and uh we need to understand also that there is a chance of peace we have uh both to
19:10work on this direction uh institutionalize the peace and work on that direction and also
19:18see the benefits of the peace pigment what would you send as your message to your neighboring people
19:25in armenia from afo azerbaijan war and conflict is over currently azerbaijan works on the peace and
19:33we are uh sure and hopeful that there will be irreversible peace between the two countries and it will be
19:39eternal for the future generations of the both countries and still we have a certain balance
19:44we understand that and we are at the end of the fact but we should look into the future
19:48hikmet armen thank you so much for joining us on eurasia talks on euronews what a pleasure to
19:52see you both here today thank you so much thank you so much thanks for having us you're very well
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