'BREAKROOM' feat. Prof. Xiao Chua (Season 1, Episode 1)

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00:00:00You know, they said that Fiesta came from the Spaniards.

00:00:03Actually, that's bullsh**.

00:00:14Let's do it.

00:00:18Hi again, Professor Shao, our celebrity historian.

00:00:22Nice to see you, ma'am. What's your name?

00:00:23Nice to see you. My name is Jewel of Sunstar Lifestyle, the only writer.

00:00:27Jewel.

00:00:27Jewel. But I go with the nickname Juju, like J-U-J-U.

00:00:31Juju.

00:00:31As in Julia Barreto, J-U-J-U.

00:00:32Diba Juju, ano yung Juju on the...

00:00:35Beat.

00:00:36On the beat, yes. Juju on the beat.

00:00:37Sige.

00:00:38So what's the beat of Juju?

00:00:41Anong beat?

00:00:42Lifestyle beat?

00:00:43Lifestyle beat.

00:00:43Ah, lifestyle beat. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm asking that.

00:00:47Sige, so tell me. Tell me about your lifestyle.

00:00:49Sige.

00:00:50I mean, your question.

00:00:51Agad na-gad na?

00:00:52Yeah, agad na.

00:00:53Okay.

00:00:54Bumati na tayo eh.

00:00:55Sige.

00:00:55Hi, Shao. Tomorrow is the Thanksgiving in the United States.

00:01:00Sorry na po.

00:01:01And then this means the beginning of their holiday season.

00:01:05Now, speaking about Thanksgiving, there were a lot of reports and even one government website that said,

00:01:11we used to have Thanksgiving in the Philippines.

00:01:14And then when we were, I'm not sure if I'm going to say when we were part of the United States or when we were...

00:01:19Yes.

00:01:20When we belonged to the Commonwealth?

00:01:22Yes.

00:01:23That one, we celebrated it because by nature, the American occupancy, then it was natural for us to have their cultural heritage as well.

00:01:31Right.

00:01:32And then during the Japanese occupation, we celebrated it in secret with the Americans.

00:01:37And then it was continued during the early years of President, former President, Marcos.

00:01:46Ah, Marcos.

00:01:47And then until he declared martial law, he moved the Thanksgiving from the fourth Thursday of November to September 21 to create the so-called The New Society.

00:02:00So, is there some truth to this?

00:02:02The New Society?

00:02:04Yeah.

00:02:05I will answer like former President, Marcos.

00:02:09Okay?

00:02:09Choke.

00:02:10Hindi.

00:02:10Ganito.

00:02:11So, the question is why...

00:02:14Si Govo, the question is why it did not take a route.

00:02:18Why are we not celebrating it now?

00:02:19Yeah, discontinued.

00:02:20First of all, what you're saying is true because I actually do not know that we celebrated Thanksgiving.

00:02:28I'm a historian.

00:02:29I did not know.

00:02:31But nagtataka nga ako, why you're asking me about it?

00:02:35So, ako na yung nandun ako dun sa why did we not...

00:02:40Parang why did we not take hold?

00:02:42First of all, why did we celebrate it during the American period?

00:02:46Eh, kasi siyempre gumagaya tayo sa mga Amerikano.

00:02:49A lot of our Christmas traditions actually came from the Americans.

00:02:53Although, Christmas tree was a German and Jose Rizal actually drew a Christmas tree.

00:03:01Yung commercialization niyan, American period na eh.

00:03:04Mas-mas-focus tayo dun sa...

00:03:06And Santa Claus, for example.

00:03:07I did not believe that the Spaniards brought that.

00:03:11So, American na yan.

00:03:12Mas-mas yung...

00:03:14Mas yung...

00:03:15Mas yung...

00:03:16Emphasis kay Jesus.

00:03:18Yung Belen, Belenismo, yan ang dala ng Spanish.

00:03:23So, about Thanksgiving.

00:03:25So, Thanksgiving of course is a major holiday in the United States.

00:03:29Yun yung pumapatay sila ng pabo.

00:03:30In fact, the President of the United States pardons a dakda at Turkey.

00:03:37May hindi sila papatay na Turkey.

00:03:39Ipapardon niya for fun.

00:03:42And this is actually to celebrate yung pagdating ng mga pilgrims.

00:03:48Na nagkaroon sila...

00:03:49Di ba tinatakasan nila yung persecution from England yata, if I'm not mistaken.

00:03:54And then, nagbangka sila or nagbarko sila.

00:04:01And then, napadpad na sila sa Amerika.

00:04:05Yun yung sineselebrate.

00:04:07Kaya parang yung...

00:04:09Ano yung mahalagang pangyayari na nagkaroon ng mga ninuno?

00:04:18Yung ninuno nilang mga puti.

00:04:20Mga puti.

00:04:21Kasi ang una namang residente ng Amerika ay yung mga Indians.

00:04:26Di ba?

00:04:27Ang konsepto ng colonization ng mga puti, ng mga Caucasian sa Amerika

00:04:35is to actually tumira sila doon

00:04:39and exterminate or shall we say,

00:04:44i-put to margins yung local population.

00:04:48Di ba?

00:04:49Kasi pagdating ng mga pilgrims doon,

00:04:51sunod-sunod na yun

00:04:52na nagdatingan sila.

00:04:55Iba yan sa colonization of the Philippines.

00:04:57Kasi sa colonization of the Philippines,

00:04:59pumunta lang yung mga Spanish dito to govern us.

00:05:05Different yun.

00:05:05Kasi kung ginawa nila yung ginawa nila sa Estados Unidos,

00:05:08mapuputi na rin tayo.

00:05:10Spanish na rin tayo.

00:05:11Parang yung ginawa nila sa Latin America

00:05:13na ang mga Mexicans, hindi yung mga totoong Mexicans,

00:05:17yung mga Caucasians.

00:05:18So anyway, that said,

00:05:20it celebrates yung pagdating ng mga puti

00:05:23sa Estados Unidos.

00:05:25Na yun naman yung majority ngayon sa Estados Unidos.

00:05:28So of course,

00:05:29nung panahon ng Commonwealth,

00:05:31tsaka nung panahon ng Amerikano,

00:05:32we were under the Americans,

00:05:34so we have to celebrate it with them.

00:05:36Perhaps during the Japanese occupation,

00:05:39I'm just thinking now,

00:05:41parang tuwang-tuwa tayo

00:05:42na we're celebrating Thanksgiving just to, you know,

00:05:44to say na, you know,

00:05:45nakakainis siya mga Hapon na yan,

00:05:46nag-celebrate nga tayo ng Thanksgiving, no?

00:05:48So, as a form of resistance.

00:05:51And perhaps,

00:05:52because we were a neocolony,

00:05:54neocolony,

00:05:56of the United States,

00:05:57after our independence,

00:05:59we still continue to celebrate it

00:06:01for commercial purposes, perhaps.

00:06:03But,

00:06:03I think iba na yung context

00:06:05when Marcos

00:06:06moved it to September 21,

00:06:09Thanksgiving Day,

00:06:10iba na yung ano eh,

00:06:11hindi na siya about the American context,

00:06:14it's not about Turkey,

00:06:16it's about

00:06:17thanking Marcos

00:06:18for the

00:06:19proclamation of martial law

00:06:22because

00:06:23September 21

00:06:24was the proclamation of

00:06:25martial law,

00:06:271081.

00:06:29And that is when I established

00:06:30the

00:06:31new society.

00:06:33So,

00:06:35pasalamatan natin si

00:06:36Marcos Senior

00:06:37dahil binago niya

00:06:38ang lipunan.

00:06:41I mean,

00:06:41kung,

00:06:42just imagine,

00:06:42I am President of the Republic,

00:06:44Xiao Chua,

00:06:45and I'm going to institute

00:06:46a day where you're going to

00:06:47thank me

00:06:48for establishing

00:06:49a new society.

00:06:51Di ba,

00:06:51napaka,

00:06:53palaking hindi maganda,

00:06:54di ba?

00:06:54It leaves a bad taste

00:06:57in the mouth.

00:06:57But, you know,

00:06:58you're a dictator,

00:06:59you can do everything,

00:07:00right?

00:07:01So,

00:07:01basically,

00:07:02yun yung,

00:07:03I think that is why

00:07:04after Marcos

00:07:06became President,

00:07:07kasi alam niyo,

00:07:08Thanksgiving Day

00:07:08ni Marcos,

00:07:09mahalagang day yan.

00:07:11Kasi,

00:07:11nung wala tayong

00:07:12kongreso,

00:07:14di ba,

00:07:14sinarado niya yung

00:07:15kongres eh,

00:07:16both houses of

00:07:17kongres eh,

00:07:18yun yung

00:07:19State of the Nation

00:07:20address niya.

00:07:22It's September 21.

00:07:24So,

00:07:24he will face the nation

00:07:25in the luneta,

00:07:27give the State of the Nation

00:07:28address,

00:07:29during Thanksgiving Day.

00:07:31Yun ang ano niya,

00:07:32yun ang,

00:07:32and then eventually,

00:07:33of course,

00:07:34congress was restored

00:07:35for the,

00:07:36when the 1973

00:07:37constitution was

00:07:38finally implemented

00:07:39to the Interim Batasang

00:07:41Pambansa of 1978.

00:07:43Then,

00:07:44of course,

00:07:44after that,

00:07:44we did not find

00:07:45any reason,

00:07:46especially after

00:07:47People Power Revolution,

00:07:48to thank Marcos

00:07:49because we ousted him

00:07:51already,

00:07:51and of course,

00:07:52after that,

00:07:53parang,

00:07:55why did it not

00:07:55take root?

00:07:56Simple.

00:07:57Hindi siya rooted

00:07:58sa Filipino experience.

00:08:01Eh,

00:08:01bakit?

00:08:02Sasabihin mo,

00:08:02eh,

00:08:03bakit si Jesus ba?

00:08:04Pilipino ba?

00:08:04Hindi.

00:08:05Ibang usapan yun.

00:08:08We,

00:08:09we,

00:08:09we

00:08:10appropriated

00:08:12Christianity.

00:08:13Tinanggap natin

00:08:14ang Kristyanismo.

00:08:16Nung tinanggap natin

00:08:16yung Kristyanismo,

00:08:18ang perspective

00:08:19natin sa Kristyanismo

00:08:20ay Pilipinong

00:08:21Kristyanismo siya.

00:08:21Kung ano yung ginagawa

00:08:23natin

00:08:24ng pagdadasal

00:08:25sa mga ani ito,

00:08:26yung nagsasayo tayo

00:08:27ng war dance

00:08:29na eventually

00:08:31naging sinulog,

00:08:32di ba?

00:08:33Is,

00:08:33is actually,

00:08:35ah,

00:08:35we made

00:08:36Christianity

00:08:36Filipino.

00:08:38Si,

00:08:39you know,

00:08:40Batumalani

00:08:40Sagugma,

00:08:41Pete Senior,

00:08:43ay ano natin,

00:08:44kasama natin siya,

00:08:45hindi siya foreign.

00:08:47You see?

00:08:47That's why you celebrate

00:08:48Jesus' birth.

00:08:50Because for him,

00:08:50siya yung Diyos

00:08:51na nakipagkapwa-tao

00:08:52sa atin.

00:08:54He's as much,

00:08:55we know he's Israel,

00:08:56he's came from Israel,

00:08:57but he is with us,

00:08:59Emmanuel.

00:09:00So,

00:09:01at saka talagang

00:09:01deeply ingrained

00:09:02ng Catholicism sa atin.

00:09:04So,

00:09:04that's why we celebrate

00:09:05Christmas.

00:09:05At Thanksgiving,

00:09:07wala siyang ano eh,

00:09:07wala siyang hold

00:09:08sa culture natin.

00:09:10Parang ginawa natin siya

00:09:11as a

00:09:13parang

00:09:16nakikikozy tayo

00:09:18sa United States

00:09:19kasi

00:09:20gusto natin

00:09:21na in din tayo

00:09:22sa kanila.

00:09:23Alam mo naman,

00:09:23di ba panahon ni

00:09:24Manuel Quezon

00:09:24ni Naserio Osmeña?

00:09:26Di ba?

00:09:26At that time,

00:09:28to

00:09:29is to

00:09:30fight for the

00:09:31Filipinos

00:09:32independence.

00:09:33You have to

00:09:35give some

00:09:37praise

00:09:39or parang

00:09:39parang ano,

00:09:41collaboration

00:09:43to the United States.

00:09:45So,

00:09:45yun siguro yung isang way

00:09:46ng pagpapakita natin na

00:09:47oh,

00:09:48you're celebrating

00:09:48Thanksgiving with you.

00:09:50But we did not find

00:09:51any more reason

00:09:52when the Americans

00:09:53are already out.

00:09:55So,

00:09:55I hope I answered

00:09:56your question

00:09:56despite my ignorance.

00:09:59Pero grabe na,

00:10:00not even,

00:10:01I mean,

00:10:01in the modern Philippines

00:10:02ba,

00:10:02not even commercialism?

00:10:04Like,

00:10:04di ba,

00:10:05sayang opportunity na yun.

00:10:06Hindi.

00:10:07Kasi,

00:10:08alam mo kung

00:10:08wala namang

00:10:09American

00:10:09ano dito eh,

00:10:11walang American

00:10:11population masyado eh.

00:10:13Alam mo kung ano

00:10:14ang nag-take out

00:10:15na foreign?

00:10:16Yung mga Chinese.

00:10:18Sa dami ng

00:10:19population

00:10:20ng Chinese dito,

00:10:22I mean,

00:10:22Cebu pa lang,

00:10:23okay,

00:10:23Cebu pa lang.

00:10:24Sa dami ng population

00:10:25Chinese,

00:10:26we're not talking about

00:10:26Chinese,

00:10:27just the Chinese.

00:10:27The Chinese Filipinos

00:10:28who have the heritage.

00:10:31And,

00:10:32um,

00:10:33yung mga mayari

00:10:34ng mall,

00:10:35guys,

00:10:35Sano,

00:10:35C,

00:10:36lahat sila,

00:10:37Filipino Chinese.

00:10:39Di ba?

00:10:40Yung mga

00:10:40Chinese tradition pa

00:10:41ang mas nag-take home.

00:10:43O,

00:10:43di ba yung mga

00:10:44ghost month na yan?

00:10:46Yung mga,

00:10:46ano yun?

00:10:46Yung mga

00:10:47Mooncake Festival.

00:10:49O,

00:10:50mas alam na natin

00:10:51yun ngayon eh.

00:10:53Mas sineselebrate natin

00:10:54Thanksgiving,

00:10:54wala tayong pakialam dyan.

00:10:56O,

00:10:57pero yung yun,

00:10:57Mooncake Festival,

00:10:59yung mga

00:10:59Chinese New Year.

00:11:01Di ba,

00:11:01dati wala namang

00:11:02celebration na

00:11:03holiday yung

00:11:03Chinese New Year.

00:11:04Sa Chinese,

00:11:05ano lang yan eh.

00:11:06Sa Chinese,

00:11:07China Town lang yan eh.

00:11:09Ngayon,

00:11:09nakiki-Chinese-Chinese na.

00:11:11Pagka-Chinese New Year,

00:11:12nakiki-Chinese-Chinese New Year

00:11:13ka na din.

00:11:14Really because,

00:11:16the mall culture

00:11:17helped in that.

00:11:19Kasi nga,

00:11:19ang mga malls

00:11:20are owned by

00:11:21Filipino Chinese.

00:11:23And then of course,

00:11:23then because

00:11:24there was a time

00:11:24na marami tayong

00:11:25pogo workers dito,

00:11:26di ba?

00:11:27So,

00:11:27nagiging

00:11:28attraction

00:11:29yung mga

00:11:31festival na yan.

00:11:31Di ba?

00:11:32So, yun.

00:11:34Prof,

00:11:34fun question.

00:11:36Okay,

00:11:37fun question.

00:11:37Given the context

00:11:39na between

00:11:40the pilgrims

00:11:40and the Native

00:11:41Americans,

00:11:42do you think

00:11:42it's disrespectful

00:11:44for us

00:11:45to celebrate

00:11:45Thanksgiving

00:11:46because it's just

00:11:47like thanking

00:11:47your colonizers

00:11:48for colonizing us?

00:11:49Yeah,

00:11:49in many ways,

00:11:50I'm going to point out

00:11:51that I just forgot

00:11:52na yun na nga,

00:11:53yung mga puti eh.

00:11:55It's really a history

00:11:56of racism.

00:11:57Di ba?

00:11:59It's like

00:12:00celebrating

00:12:00Columbus Day.

00:12:02Di ba?

00:12:02Naalam mo namang

00:12:03napakagago

00:12:03nung ginawa ni

00:12:04Columbus sa Amerika.

00:12:05Di ba?

00:12:06Na pinatay nila,

00:12:07napatay nila yung

00:12:08iba't ibang mga lahi

00:12:09doon before

00:12:10the coming of

00:12:11the Caucasians.

00:12:13So,

00:12:14yun yung ano,

00:12:15yun yung,

00:12:15but you see,

00:12:18history nila yun eh.

00:12:19I really do not

00:12:20want to interfere

00:12:21with that.

00:12:21They will choose

00:12:22how they are going

00:12:23to celebrate

00:12:24what they

00:12:25want to celebrate.

00:12:27May more,

00:12:27mas ano ako,

00:12:28mas parang,

00:12:30mas concerned ako

00:12:30how we remember

00:12:31things here.

00:12:32Di ba?

00:12:33Especially about history.

00:12:35So,

00:12:35yun na nga.

00:12:36Pero yun na nga,

00:12:36we have to be

00:12:37very careful about the,

00:12:39kaya mahalaga talaga

00:12:40nag-aaral ng history.

00:12:41Hindi yung parang

00:12:42kuha ka lang

00:12:42ng kuha doon

00:12:43tapos parang

00:12:43akala mo,

00:12:45isa-celebrate mo,

00:12:45yun pala,

00:12:46may yung deep

00:12:47underlying,

00:12:48you know,

00:12:49ano yung tawag doon?

00:12:51Fiendish thingy.

00:12:53Doon sa celebration

00:12:54na yun,

00:12:55di ba?

00:12:56Anyone?

00:12:58Yes po, madam.

00:12:58Hi, Prof.

00:13:00Hi.

00:13:00I'm Kyla,

00:13:01and this is still

00:13:03in line with

00:13:04the holidays,

00:13:04so my question is,

00:13:06I think that's

00:13:07the theme for today.

00:13:08Yes.

00:13:09So, my question is,

00:13:10why do you think

00:13:11Christmas at its core

00:13:12is more of a

00:13:13commercialized holiday

00:13:14in the West,

00:13:15centering on

00:13:16symbolisms of

00:13:16gift-giving,

00:13:18white Christmas,

00:13:20Santa,

00:13:20and compared to

00:13:22the Christmas

00:13:22in the Philippines

00:13:23that we celebrate

00:13:24that is exceptionally

00:13:25known for

00:13:27religious emphasis,

00:13:29like religious symbols

00:13:30like the Belen,

00:13:31Jesus Christ,

00:13:32caroling,

00:13:33Simbang Gabi,

00:13:34the nine days

00:13:34of Simbang Gabi,

00:13:36and apart from

00:13:39religion,

00:13:39what do you think

00:13:40are the nuances

00:13:41that sets us apart

00:13:42from Western

00:13:43holiday celebration?

00:13:44Okay, remember

00:13:45that the West

00:13:46celebrate Christmas

00:13:47because they

00:13:49actually emphasize

00:13:51that their

00:13:54civilization was

00:13:55built on

00:13:56Christianity.

00:13:57Sa totoo lang,

00:13:58the Anglo-American

00:13:59civilization

00:14:01is built

00:14:01on Christianity.

00:14:03Diba?

00:14:04Now,

00:14:05the problem is,

00:14:07meron silang

00:14:07parang

00:14:08schizophrenic

00:14:09character.

00:14:10Why?

00:14:11Because they also

00:14:12want to prove

00:14:12that they are

00:14:13capitalist

00:14:14and they are

00:14:14also

00:14:15secular.

00:14:18You get me?

00:14:19Kaya nga may

00:14:20debate ang

00:14:20Republican and

00:14:21Democrats

00:14:22and all of that

00:14:23kasi

00:14:23one party

00:14:24wants to become

00:14:25secular,

00:14:26the other party

00:14:26wants to be

00:14:27conservative.

00:14:27Diba?

00:14:28So,

00:14:29kaya may battle.

00:14:30Culture wars,

00:14:31as we call it.

00:14:32Diba?

00:14:32Nagbabattle yung

00:14:33mga kultura.

00:14:34So,

00:14:35ang ganda

00:14:36ng tanong

00:14:36kasi,

00:14:37bakit sa

00:14:38Pilipinas

00:14:39ay religious

00:14:39pa din?

00:14:40Kasi wala tayong

00:14:41schizoprenia.

00:14:43Even the

00:14:43non-Catholics

00:14:44recognize

00:14:45that we're a

00:14:45Catholic

00:14:46country.

00:14:47I'm a

00:14:47Protestant.

00:14:48But,

00:14:49majority of the

00:14:50Filipinos are

00:14:50deeply Catholic.

00:14:51Now,

00:14:52are we

00:14:53Catholic

00:14:53churchgoers

00:14:55who follow

00:14:55the priest

00:14:56in hook,

00:14:57line,

00:14:58and sinker?

00:14:58No.

00:14:59Hindi tayo

00:14:59ganun eh.

00:15:01As I said,

00:15:03many of us

00:15:05are folk

00:15:05Christians.

00:15:07We try to

00:15:07follow the

00:15:08teachings of

00:15:09Jesus.

00:15:10Pero sa totoo

00:15:10lang,

00:15:11parang

00:15:11a lot of us

00:15:13have

00:15:13eclectic

00:15:15beliefs.

00:15:16Anyway,

00:15:17going to

00:15:17the question,

00:15:18we recognize

00:15:20na

00:15:21at lagi

00:15:23itong

00:15:23paalala,

00:15:24di ba?

00:15:25Kasi may

00:15:25sumikat nga

00:15:26nakanta,

00:15:26di ba?

00:15:28Pagka

00:15:28September pa lang

00:15:29tumutugtog na

00:15:30sa Pilipinas.

00:15:32Yung

00:15:32I

00:15:33don't want

00:15:36a lot

00:15:36for Christmas.

00:15:38Iba pala yun.

00:15:39Iba,

00:15:39iba,

00:15:39iba.

00:15:40Yung

00:15:40Christmas in

00:15:41our hearts,

00:15:41di ba?

00:15:43Ang emphasis

00:15:43na let's sing

00:15:44Merry Christmas

00:15:45and a

00:15:45Happy Holidays

00:15:46this season

00:15:48may we

00:15:48never forget

00:15:49the love

00:15:49we have

00:15:50for Jesus.

00:15:51It's an

00:15:52emphasis

00:15:52for Jesus.

00:15:53The

00:15:53birthday

00:15:54niya ito.

00:15:56And we

00:15:56are,

00:15:57how will,

00:15:58what's

00:15:59the best

00:16:00way

00:16:00to celebrate

00:16:01the birthday

00:16:02of the

00:16:02one who

00:16:03saved us

00:16:03from sin

00:16:04and

00:16:04damnation?

00:16:07How

00:16:07Filipinos

00:16:08best

00:16:09celebrate

00:16:10everything

00:16:11and that

00:16:11is food.

00:16:13Kapwa,

00:16:14sharing.

00:16:15Di ba,

00:16:15sinasabi

00:16:16la fiesta

00:16:16daw came

00:16:17from the

00:16:18Spaniards.

00:16:19Actually,

00:16:19bullshit yun.

00:16:20We already

00:16:21have that

00:16:21before the

00:16:23coming of

00:16:23the Spaniards.

00:16:24Kapag

00:16:24nag-re-ritual

00:16:25tayo

00:16:25at nagpapasalamat

00:16:26tayo sa

00:16:26ani.

00:16:27How do

00:16:27you think

00:16:28batala

00:16:28for the

00:16:29ani?

00:16:29We

00:16:30feed

00:16:30people.

00:16:32Food

00:16:32is the

00:16:33number

00:16:33one

00:16:34currency

00:16:35of

00:16:36pakikipagkapwa

00:16:37tao.

00:16:37Gusto

00:16:37mo makipagkapwa

00:16:38tao,

00:16:39abutan mo

00:16:40ng

00:16:40San Miguel

00:16:40beer.

00:16:41Well,

00:16:41hindi food

00:16:41yun,

00:16:42pero

00:16:42you know,

00:16:43it's the

00:16:43same

00:16:43thing.

00:16:45So,

00:16:45yung gift

00:16:46giving

00:16:47and all

00:16:47of that,

00:16:48Aguinaldo

00:16:49and then

00:16:49Misa

00:16:50de Gallio,

00:16:50Misa

00:16:51de

00:16:51Aguinaldo

00:16:52and all

00:16:52of that.

00:16:54Talagang

00:16:54ang ganda

00:16:55kasi

00:16:56even

00:16:56those who

00:16:57are not

00:16:57believers,

00:16:58they have

00:16:59to respect

00:16:59and they

00:17:00actually

00:17:01realize.

00:17:02Ang ganda

00:17:02naman kasi

00:17:02ng tinurong

00:17:03ni Jesus

00:17:03sa atin,

00:17:04magmahalan

00:17:04tayo,

00:17:05walang

00:17:05siyang tinurong

00:17:06masama.

00:17:06And we

00:17:09recognize

00:17:10that

00:17:10even if

00:17:11Christianity

00:17:12was used

00:17:12to colonize

00:17:13us,

00:17:14we did

00:17:14not cancel

00:17:15Christianity,

00:17:16we canceled

00:17:16colonialism,

00:17:17but we

00:17:17remained

00:17:18Christians.

00:17:19So,

00:17:20yun yung

00:17:20tingin ko

00:17:21na mahalagang

00:17:22emphasis

00:17:22to show

00:17:24na even

00:17:24if some

00:17:25of us

00:17:25are non-believers

00:17:26of Christ,

00:17:28we recognize

00:17:29the

00:17:30historical

00:17:31sense

00:17:33na

00:17:33most

00:17:34Filipinos

00:17:35are now

00:17:35Christian.

00:17:36And

00:17:37this is

00:17:38one of

00:17:38the best

00:17:39actually

00:17:39in other

00:17:40places,

00:17:42Christianity's

00:17:43greatest

00:17:44feast

00:17:44is not

00:17:44Christmas,

00:17:45it's the

00:17:46Lenten

00:17:46season.

00:17:48Diba?

00:17:48No,

00:17:49not the

00:17:49Lenten

00:17:49season,

00:17:50sorry,

00:17:50Easter.

00:17:51Easter,

00:17:51mas masaya

00:17:53ang Easter.

00:17:54Pero

00:17:55ibang

00:17:55Christmas,

00:17:56ibang

00:17:56and then

00:17:57of course

00:17:58nagsama

00:17:58na dyan

00:17:59yung

00:17:59Santa Claus,

00:18:01lahat

00:18:01ng yun.

00:18:02That

00:18:02makes

00:18:02our

00:18:03pero

00:18:04look at

00:18:04the

00:18:04parol.

00:18:05It

00:18:06makes

00:18:06it

00:18:06very

00:18:07colorful

00:18:07pa.

00:18:08The

00:18:08Filipino

00:18:08elements

00:18:09there.

00:18:11Sige,

00:18:11thank you

00:18:12so much.

00:18:12Fantastic.

00:18:13Great

00:18:13question.

00:18:16Alam nyo,

00:18:17I'm so

00:18:17honored to be

00:18:18with

00:18:18Sunstar Cebu,

00:18:19no?

00:18:19Kasi

00:18:19even if

00:18:20I'm not

00:18:20Cebuano,

00:18:21I follow,

00:18:22I,

00:18:23I,

00:18:23for some

00:18:24strange

00:18:25reason,

00:18:25umahabot

00:18:25sa akin

00:18:26yung

00:18:26algorithm

00:18:26nyo.

00:18:27So,

00:18:27kaya

00:18:28nakakapagbasa

00:18:29ako ng

00:18:29mga

00:18:29articles.

00:18:31So,

00:18:31yeah,

00:18:31thank you.

00:18:32I'm honored

00:18:32to be

00:18:33in one

00:18:33of the

00:18:33most

00:18:33prestigious

00:18:34newspapers

00:18:35in Cebu.

00:18:36Thank you,

00:18:36Prof.

00:18:37And then

00:18:37we noticed

00:18:38you're

00:18:39sporting a

00:18:40Cebu

00:18:40t-shirt.

00:18:42Cebu

00:18:42with my

00:18:43face,

00:18:43represent.

00:18:45And

00:18:45Lapu-Lapu

00:18:46in Cebu,

00:18:46yeah.

00:18:47Oh,

00:18:47yeah,

00:18:47speaking of

00:18:48which,

00:18:48have you

00:18:48seen the,

00:18:49or I'm

00:18:50sure,

00:18:50yung

00:18:51Kang Lav

00:18:51Diaz

00:18:52na film?

00:18:53Before

00:18:53I answer

00:18:54your

00:18:54question,

00:18:54I answer

00:18:55where I

00:18:55got

00:18:55this.

00:18:56Thank

00:18:56you to

00:18:56the

00:18:57Graduate

00:18:57Diploma

00:18:58in

00:18:58Cultural

00:18:58Education

00:18:59Teachers,

00:19:02scholars

00:19:03who became

00:19:03my students.

00:19:05This is

00:19:05an NCCA

00:19:06program

00:19:07on

00:19:07improving

00:19:08cultural

00:19:09education

00:19:09in the

00:19:10Philippines.

00:19:10I'm

00:19:10one of

00:19:11the

00:19:11instructors.

00:19:12And

00:19:12there was

00:19:12a time

00:19:12before

00:19:13the

00:19:13pandemic

00:19:13when

00:19:14I

00:19:14taught

00:19:14in

00:19:15the

00:19:16Cebu

00:19:16normal

00:19:16for

00:19:17one

00:19:18week.

00:19:19So,

00:19:19one

00:19:20week

00:19:20yun

00:19:20intensive.

00:19:21So,

00:19:22ano

00:19:22ito?

00:19:23Ito yung

00:19:23regalo

00:19:23nila

00:19:23sa akin.

00:19:24So,

00:19:24every

00:19:25time I

00:19:25go to

00:19:26Cebu,

00:19:26I

00:19:26do

00:19:26not

00:19:27fail

00:19:27to

00:19:27use

00:19:27it.

00:19:28So,

00:19:29when I

00:19:29have

00:19:30appearance

00:19:30at

00:19:30Cebu,

00:19:31like

00:19:31book

00:19:31signings

00:19:32and

00:19:32talks

00:19:33and

00:19:33all,

00:19:33I

00:19:34wear

00:19:35this

00:19:35shirt.

00:19:36Actually,

00:19:37lumiit na siya

00:19:37kaya pinalakihan ko.

00:19:39Kaya may

00:19:39extra na

00:19:40tela eh.

00:19:41You guys see

00:19:41may extra

00:19:42na tela si.

00:19:43So,

00:19:44kasi

00:19:44ano na,

00:19:44laki,

00:19:45winida po na eh.

00:19:47To answer your

00:19:47question about

00:19:48Magellan.

00:19:49Now,

00:19:49you have no

00:19:50question,

00:19:50but yeah,

00:19:51what's your

00:19:51question there?

00:19:52No,

00:19:52but I

00:19:53mean like

00:19:53your

00:19:53insight

00:19:54on the

00:19:55you know,

00:19:55beautiful.

00:19:56Kasi ang

00:19:57claim ni

00:19:57Lab Diaz,

00:19:58walang lapu-lapu.

00:19:59Walapu-lapu was

00:20:00a folk tale

00:20:02to scare

00:20:04the Spaniards

00:20:05and to justify

00:20:05eventually killing

00:20:06them.

00:20:07Okay.

00:20:08If you're

00:20:10going to

00:20:11talk to me

00:20:11about 15

00:20:12years ago,

00:20:13I'll probably

00:20:14tell you

00:20:14that you

00:20:15should damn

00:20:15that film

00:20:16and you

00:20:16know,

00:20:16burn it

00:20:17and it

00:20:18teaches

00:20:19false history

00:20:20and all of

00:20:20that.

00:20:20Now,

00:20:21this is what

00:20:22I realized

00:20:22as I matured

00:20:23as a public

00:20:25historian.

00:20:26Historical

00:20:27films

00:20:27are not

00:20:28history books.

00:20:30They're

00:20:31artworks

00:20:32made by

00:20:33directors

00:20:33and when

00:20:34you say

00:20:34artwork,

00:20:36you have

00:20:37to free

00:20:37the artist

00:20:38you have

00:20:39to let

00:20:40him

00:20:40or her

00:20:41what do

00:20:43you call

00:20:44this?

00:20:45Interpret.

00:20:46Kung ano

00:20:46yung nabasa

00:20:47niya

00:20:47and then

00:20:48how he's

00:20:48going to

00:20:48put that

00:20:49on the

00:20:49canvas

00:20:50if you're

00:20:50a painter

00:20:51and now

00:20:51if you're

00:20:52a filmmaker

00:20:52on the

00:20:52film.

00:20:54So,

00:20:55well,

00:20:55of course,

00:20:56I was not

00:20:56consulted.

00:20:58I was

00:20:58invited to

00:20:59watch it

00:21:00and

00:21:02of course,

00:21:04I heard

00:21:04horrible

00:21:04things

00:21:06that

00:21:07were said

00:21:08but ito

00:21:10yung

00:21:10sasabihin

00:21:10ko.

00:21:11When I

00:21:12watched

00:21:12it,

00:21:14I actually

00:21:14liked it.

00:21:17You have

00:21:18to,

00:21:20if I am

00:21:21watching a

00:21:21film,

00:21:22I stop

00:21:22first at

00:21:23being a

00:21:24historian.

00:21:25Parang

00:21:26pause

00:21:26mo na yun.

00:21:28I want

00:21:28to be an

00:21:29ordinary

00:21:29watcher of

00:21:31film

00:21:32to actually

00:21:33appreciate

00:21:34the vision

00:21:35of the

00:21:35director.

00:21:37So,

00:21:37after

00:21:37watching,

00:21:38I kind

00:21:38of like

00:21:38it.

00:21:39You

00:21:39know

00:21:39why?

00:21:40I

00:21:40thought

00:21:41ang worst

00:21:42na

00:21:42in-expect

00:21:43ko,

00:21:43it would

00:21:44be a

00:21:44pro-colonial

00:21:45film.

00:21:46That it

00:21:47would

00:21:47extol

00:21:47Magellan's

00:21:48virtues.

00:21:49It

00:21:49did

00:21:50not.

00:21:50The

00:21:50opening

00:21:51scene

00:21:51are

00:21:52dead

00:21:52people.

00:21:53Dead

00:21:54people

00:21:54in

00:21:55Cebu.

00:21:56Diba?

00:21:56So,

00:21:57maraming

00:21:57patay.

00:21:58Pilipinos,

00:22:00Spaniards,

00:22:01ibig sabihin

00:22:01dito,

00:22:02yung figurative

00:22:03that was

00:22:04not just

00:22:04the battle

00:22:05of the

00:22:06end of

00:22:06Magellan,

00:22:07but that's

00:22:08the stink

00:22:09of

00:22:10colonialism

00:22:11that was

00:22:12left here

00:22:13in the

00:22:13Philippines

00:22:13for 300

00:22:14years.

00:22:15Okay,

00:22:15that's

00:22:16one.

00:22:17Number

00:22:17two,

00:22:19I like

00:22:20the

00:22:21Spanish

00:22:22scenes

00:22:22were

00:22:22beautifully

00:22:23shot,

00:22:23the

00:22:24European

00:22:24scenes,

00:22:25sobrang

00:22:25ganda.

00:22:27Yung

00:22:28barco,

00:22:32scenes

00:22:32in

00:22:32barco,

00:22:32boring,

00:22:34pero

00:22:34you

00:22:36kind of

00:22:36sense

00:22:37what,

00:22:38how bored

00:22:39and hungry

00:22:40and

00:22:41frustrated

00:22:42shipmates

00:22:44of

00:22:45Magellan were,

00:22:46even if it was

00:22:46just probably

00:22:47what,

00:22:4740 minutes

00:22:48or 50

00:22:49minutes

00:22:49of that.

00:22:51Kasi

00:22:51for a

00:22:52Love DS

00:22:53film,

00:22:53you know

00:22:53that this

00:22:54is very

00:22:54short.

00:22:54This

00:22:54is a

00:22:54short

00:22:55film,

00:22:55okay?

00:22:56A

00:22:56very

00:22:56short

00:22:57film,

00:22:57or nine

00:22:57hours

00:22:58film,

00:22:58no?

00:22:58Short

00:22:59film,

00:22:59okay.

00:23:03I did

00:23:04not

00:23:04appreciate

00:23:05much

00:23:06yung

00:23:06production

00:23:06design,

00:23:07honestly,

00:23:09kasi

00:23:09parang

00:23:09pinagmukhang

00:23:10mga,

00:23:11yung kulang

00:23:12yung damit

00:23:13ng mga

00:23:13Cebuano.

00:23:14I mean,

00:23:14alam kong

00:23:14hindi naman

00:23:15sila,

00:23:16noong yung

00:23:16mga nakabahag

00:23:17and all,

00:23:17pero

00:23:17nagmuka

00:23:18talagang

00:23:18parang

00:23:19wala silang

00:23:19damit.

00:23:20I did

00:23:20not like

00:23:20the

00:23:21houses,

00:23:22hindi

00:23:22masyadong

00:23:22magagandang,

00:23:23I mean,

00:23:24magagandang

00:23:24bahay

00:23:24ng mga

00:23:25Cebuano.

00:23:27So,

00:23:28hindi ko

00:23:28masyadong

00:23:28nagustuhan.

00:23:30Pero,

00:23:32okay,

00:23:34yung

00:23:34maganda

00:23:35dun sa

00:23:35film,

00:23:36okay,

00:23:37yes,

00:23:38mali yung

00:23:39history

00:23:39for me,

00:23:41kasi

00:23:41ganito yan.

00:23:42I'm a

00:23:43historian,

00:23:44we have a

00:23:46discipline

00:23:46called

00:23:46history,

00:23:47and I'm

00:23:48only

00:23:48limited

00:23:49to what

00:23:49the sources

00:23:50say.

00:23:50We have

00:23:51Pigafetta,

00:23:51we have

00:23:51Transilvanus

00:23:52Maximilianus,

00:23:53we have

00:23:54the

00:23:54leg of

00:23:55Francisco

00:23:56Albo,

00:23:56all of

00:23:57those

00:23:57sources,

00:23:59Gaspar

00:23:59Correa,

00:24:01and these

00:24:01sources

00:24:01say,

00:24:03the king

00:24:03of

00:24:03Mactan

00:24:04exists,

00:24:05whether he

00:24:06was named

00:24:06or not.

00:24:07So,

00:24:08Lapulapu

00:24:09exists.

00:24:10Actually,

00:24:11in the

00:24:11Pigafetta,

00:24:11his name

00:24:12is

00:24:12Si Lapulapu.

00:24:13Rizal

00:24:13chopped

00:24:14the sea,

00:24:15and that's

00:24:15why he

00:24:16is

00:24:16Lapulapu.

00:24:17Rizal's

00:24:18the reason

00:24:19why he

00:24:20is

00:24:20Lapulapu.

00:24:21Si Lapulapu

00:24:22ang name

00:24:22niya

00:24:22talaga.

00:24:23Kasi

00:24:23parang

00:24:23Rizal

00:24:24said,

00:24:24oh,

00:24:25that's

00:24:25probably

00:24:25Si,

00:24:26Si Lapulapu.

00:24:27But anyway,

00:24:29but you know

00:24:30what I liked

00:24:30about the film

00:24:31is this.

00:24:33First,

00:24:35it creates

00:24:36a new

00:24:37parang

00:24:37folktale.

00:24:39It's a folktale.

00:24:39It's not history.

00:24:40It's a folktale

00:24:41of how,

00:24:42kasi

00:24:42yung tradition

00:24:43na ginagawang

00:24:44folktale

00:24:44si Lapulapu,

00:24:46preach yan

00:24:47sa Cebu.

00:24:48Maraming libro

00:24:49na nag-invento

00:24:50ng kwento

00:24:51ni Lapulapu.

00:24:52Because

00:24:52the only thing

00:24:54we know

00:24:54about Lapulapu

00:24:55is that

00:24:55he's the king

00:24:56of Mactan.

00:24:57That's it.

00:24:58No other stories.

00:24:59Dito,

00:25:00si Gulias

00:25:01and a lot

00:25:02of Visayan

00:25:02authors,

00:25:04they created

00:25:05the myth

00:25:05of Lapulapu.

00:25:07So,

00:25:07in a way,

00:25:07tama si

00:25:08love.

00:25:09All the things

00:25:10that we know

00:25:10about Lapulapu

00:25:11is a myth.

00:25:12I'm curious

00:25:13about that

00:25:14from a record

00:25:15keeping perspective,

00:25:17the king

00:25:18of Lapulapu

00:25:18and then

00:25:19no written

00:25:20why or how

00:25:23or what's

00:25:23your take on that?

00:25:24I do not know

00:25:25how he read it.

00:25:27He doesn't

00:25:28explain eh.

00:25:29Parang sinasabi lang,

00:25:30I read all the sources

00:25:31and this is what

00:25:32I think.

00:25:35Okay.

00:25:36Yung

00:25:36ideal sana,

00:25:37if you're a historian,

00:25:39I'll tell you,

00:25:40love.

00:25:41Can you tell me

00:25:42what are the sources?

00:25:44Tell me,

00:25:44point to me

00:25:45the

00:25:46instance where

00:25:48you think

00:25:49that Lapulapu

00:25:50did not exist.

00:25:51Okay.

00:25:53But we cannot

00:25:54demand that to love

00:25:55because he's

00:25:55that historian.

00:25:57He's a filmmaker

00:25:58and he already

00:25:59plays his film.

00:25:59Nandun na yung film niya eh.

00:26:01Hindi ko siya

00:26:01pwedeng i-demand.

00:26:03Eh yun na yung

00:26:03evidence siya

00:26:03yung film niya eh.

00:26:05So,

00:26:06eto lang yung

00:26:06natutuwa ko.

00:26:09At least

00:26:10panalo yung

00:26:10Pilipino.

00:26:13Kung

00:26:13wala kay

00:26:14Lapulapo

00:26:15yung focus,

00:26:16napunta

00:26:16naman sa

00:26:17bayan.

00:26:19Yung bayan

00:26:19nang nanalo,

00:26:20laban kay

00:26:21Magellan.

00:26:23Which is true.

00:26:24Because

00:26:24Lapulapo is just

00:26:25the leader.

00:26:26Ang bayan naman

00:26:27talaga yung nanalo.

00:26:28So,

00:26:29whether,

00:26:29yeah,

00:26:30the main message

00:26:31still,

00:26:32Pilipino pa rin

00:26:32ang nanalo.

00:26:35So,

00:26:35yun yung

00:26:35yung parang

00:26:36kailangan.

00:26:36And that's

00:26:37what NHCP

00:26:38Commissioner

00:26:39Lisa Guerrero

00:26:40told me,

00:26:41na yun yung

00:26:41parang nakita niya

00:26:42yung value

00:26:42ng film.

00:26:43Panalo pa rin

00:26:44yung bayan.

00:26:45So,

00:26:45I guess,

00:26:46ang kailangan

00:26:47lang,

00:26:48that's why

00:26:48when

00:26:49tuwang-tuwa yung

00:26:50mga tao

00:26:50pagka may

00:26:52Magellan screening

00:26:53tapos smart ako

00:26:54ng

00:26:54open forum.

00:26:57Kasi,

00:26:57pagkatapos mong

00:26:58manood ng

00:26:59Magellan,

00:26:59ang dami mong

00:27:00tanong.

00:27:01And,

00:27:01ang dami mong

00:27:02tanong

00:27:03and gusto mo

00:27:04siyang i-process.

00:27:05Pinsa kailangan

00:27:06mo na,

00:27:06di ba,

00:27:06pagka may

00:27:07naging problema ka,

00:27:08gusto mo

00:27:08nang i-process,

00:27:09di ba?

00:27:10So,

00:27:10ako,

00:27:11ako yung

00:27:11nagpa-process

00:27:11for them.

00:27:12Natutuwa naman

00:27:13sila.

00:27:14Pero,

00:27:14yun na nga,

00:27:15if it leaves

00:27:17a lot of

00:27:17questions to you,

00:27:19then,

00:27:21Love Diaz,

00:27:22already

00:27:23won in a way

00:27:25kasi pinag-isip

00:27:26ka niya.

00:27:28Di ba?

00:27:29At yung questions

00:27:30na yun,

00:27:31yan,

00:27:31makakausap mo yung

00:27:32ibang tao,

00:27:32will be beneficial

00:27:34for us.

00:27:35So,

00:27:36that's a beautiful

00:27:36question.

00:27:37Thank you very much.

00:27:38But,

00:27:38one,

00:27:39do you have one?

00:27:40Yeah.

00:27:41Hi,

00:27:42sir,

00:27:42hi,

00:27:42professor,

00:27:43I'm Joshua

00:27:44Solano,

00:27:45online editor

00:27:45of Sunstar.

00:27:46I have just,

00:27:47I just have one

00:27:48question,

00:27:48because I've been

00:27:49reading a lot

00:27:50of war novels

00:27:51lately,

00:27:51and I am just

00:27:53curious,

00:27:53relating pa rin

00:27:55sa Christmas,

00:27:56how did

00:27:57Filipinos

00:27:57celebrate Christmas

00:27:58during wartime?

00:28:00Specifically,

00:28:01sa,

00:28:01I think,

00:28:02sa Spanish-American

00:28:03War and also

00:28:04the Japanese

00:28:05War.

00:28:07Ito yung,

00:28:08ito yung,

00:28:10ang naging

00:28:11tune ng pag-aawal

00:28:13ko about Christmas

00:28:14are the,

00:28:14like,

00:28:14some of the,

00:28:16parang the

00:28:17Christmas traditions

00:28:19like Simbang Gabi

00:28:20and all of that.

00:28:21Um,

00:28:23I haven't

00:28:24zeroed in

00:28:25on

00:28:26how

00:28:27conflict situations,

00:28:29in conflict situations

00:28:30we celebrate Christmas.

00:28:32No?

00:28:33So,

00:28:33isa lang yung

00:28:34naiisip ko

00:28:34na,

00:28:36actually,

00:28:36if you're going

00:28:37to look at it,

00:28:38okay,

00:28:40war is felt

00:28:41in major cities.

00:28:44Pero,

00:28:44sa totoo lang,

00:28:45if you're going

00:28:46to look at the

00:28:46whole war,

00:28:49yung mga

00:28:49barrio-barrio,

00:28:50hindi naman nila

00:28:51nakamanduan yung

00:28:51war eh.

00:28:54So,

00:28:55may mga hapon,

00:28:56ganun,

00:28:57may minsan,

00:28:57may bibisita,

00:28:58pero,

00:28:59alam nyo ba na

00:28:59ang dami-daming

00:29:00lugar sa Pilipinas

00:29:01na actually free?

00:29:03So,

00:29:03I'm sure

00:29:04that they

00:29:04actually

00:29:05celebrated

00:29:06Christmas as

00:29:06they were,

00:29:07had always

00:29:08celebrated it

00:29:09with Doche Buena

00:29:10and Simbang Gabi

00:29:11and all of that.

00:29:12In fact,

00:29:12this is not

00:29:13related,

00:29:14pero,

00:29:15a lot of

00:29:15Quiapo people

00:29:16say

00:29:17that even

00:29:18in times of war,

00:29:19like,

00:29:19you know,

00:29:19in 1945,

00:29:20January,

00:29:21di ba,

00:29:21paparating na

00:29:22yung mga

00:29:22Americans,

00:29:24that the

00:29:24possession

00:29:25of the

00:29:26translation,

00:29:26the possession

00:29:28of the

00:29:28Jesus

00:29:29Nazareno

00:29:29actually

00:29:30continued,

00:29:32even during

00:29:32the war.

00:29:35I will

00:29:36not answer

00:29:36your question

00:29:37directly

00:29:37about the

00:29:39Philippine,

00:29:39yung war,

00:29:40World War II,

00:29:41wala ako masyado,

00:29:41so,

00:29:42that's a good

00:29:42thing,

00:29:42maybe I'll

00:29:43write about it

00:29:44sometime and

00:29:45I'll research

00:29:45that.

00:29:46But,

00:29:46to give you

00:29:47an idea,

00:29:47for example,

00:29:48about the

00:29:48Philippine

00:29:48Revolution

00:29:49and the

00:29:50Philippine-American

00:29:51War,

00:29:51remember that

00:29:53the Spaniards

00:29:55actually left

00:29:55us very,

00:29:57hindi naman

00:29:57prosperous,

00:29:58pero actually

00:29:58very developed.

00:30:00The Spaniards

00:30:02developed us

00:30:03in the latter

00:30:04years of the

00:30:05Spanish period,

00:30:06especially after

00:30:07the Galleon

00:30:07Trade.

00:30:08Kasi,

00:30:09nung panahon

00:30:09ng Spanish,

00:30:10we will have

00:30:10the first

00:30:11train in Asia.

00:30:13Yung,

00:30:13ano yun?

00:30:13Yung Manila

00:30:15Lagupan Line.

00:30:17So,

00:30:17meron tayong

00:30:18mga

00:30:19cables na

00:30:20running

00:30:21under the

00:30:21sea,

00:30:22nakakapag-telegram

00:30:23tayo,

00:30:24money order

00:30:25and all of

00:30:25that.

00:30:26May mga

00:30:27electricity

00:30:28na sa

00:30:28Manila

00:30:29noon.

00:30:30Maganda

00:30:31ang service

00:30:32ng tubig.

00:30:33So,

00:30:33actually,

00:30:34developed

00:30:34tayo.

00:30:38When the

00:30:39war was

00:30:39happening,

00:30:40actually,

00:30:41nagpapatuloy

00:30:42lang yung mga

00:30:42bagay-bagay.

00:30:44Kasi,

00:30:44there are battles

00:30:45here and

00:30:45there.

00:30:46Pero,

00:30:46wala namang

00:30:46yung wasakan

00:30:47ng bahay.

00:30:48Alam mo,

00:30:48yun,

00:30:48hindi nangyayari

00:30:49yun eh.

00:30:50Hindi ka tulad

00:30:50ng World War

00:30:51na talagang

00:30:51wasak-na-wasak

00:30:52yung mga...

00:30:54Remember

00:30:55yung

00:30:55General Luna

00:30:56film?

00:30:57Tuloy-tuloy

00:30:57yung train

00:30:58even when

00:30:58there was

00:30:59the

00:30:59Philippine-American

00:31:00war.

00:31:02Tuloy-tuloy

00:31:02yung train.

00:31:04So,

00:31:04ganun

00:31:04kaganda

00:31:05yung

00:31:05sistema

00:31:06noong

00:31:06unang

00:31:06panahon.

00:31:07So,

00:31:07by answering

00:31:09that way,

00:31:10I am going

00:31:11to tell you

00:31:11that I'm

00:31:12sure we

00:31:12celebrated

00:31:13Christmas

00:31:14the way

00:31:15we always

00:31:15had.

00:31:15Pero,

00:31:16yun na nga,

00:31:17I think

00:31:18simple lang

00:31:18ang Christmas

00:31:19noon.

00:31:19Ang Christmas

00:31:20kasi noon,

00:31:21siguro yung

00:31:21isang ginagawa

00:31:23nila doon,

00:31:24yung panunuluyan.

00:31:25So,

00:31:25yung panunuluyan.

00:31:26Every community

00:31:27will have like a

00:31:28Jesus play.

00:31:30Not Jesus,

00:31:31Holy Family

00:31:31play wherein

00:31:32Mary and

00:31:33Joseph will

00:31:34find some

00:31:36house

00:31:37parang mag-iikot-ikot

00:31:38sila sa mga

00:31:38bahay-bahay

00:31:39until someone

00:31:39lets them in.

00:31:40to show

00:31:44how

00:31:44Jesus

00:31:45was born

00:31:46and

00:31:46how

00:31:47naganap

00:31:47sila

00:31:48ng bahay

00:31:48and all

00:31:48of that.

00:31:49Panunuluyan

00:31:49ang tawag

00:31:50doon.

00:31:51So,

00:31:51they probably

00:31:52do that.

00:31:52They also

00:31:53probably

00:31:53would go

00:31:54to church

00:31:54and then

00:31:55after that,

00:31:56after going

00:31:56to church,

00:31:57well,

00:31:58the simbang gabi

00:31:58is actually

00:31:59madaling araw.

00:32:00So,

00:32:01the myth

00:32:04was that

00:32:05we invented it.

00:32:06We did not

00:32:07invent it.

00:32:08Spain

00:32:08imposed

00:32:09the simbang

00:32:10gabi

00:32:11to the

00:32:11Filipinos.

00:32:13Yung mga

00:32:14dawn masses.

00:32:16And,

00:32:16yeah,

00:32:17I'm sure

00:32:17the Noche Buena

00:32:18was already

00:32:19being celebrated

00:32:20at that time

00:32:21during the

00:32:21Philippine Revolution.

00:32:23So,

00:32:24yun lang,

00:32:24ang kulang lang

00:32:25sa atin

00:32:26yung pag-aaral.

00:32:27Ano kayo

00:32:27makinakanta nila

00:32:28nun?

00:32:28Konti pa lang

00:32:29yan eh,

00:32:30kung may

00:32:30Christmas song

00:32:31na ba

00:32:31nun o

00:32:32mas American

00:32:33period na yan

00:32:33nung mga

00:32:34nauso na

00:32:35yung

00:32:35vinyl.

00:32:36Ganun.

00:32:37So,

00:32:38yun,

00:32:38yun ang

00:32:39tinitingnan ko.

00:32:40So,

00:32:40I'm sorry

00:32:41if I have

00:32:42little knowledge

00:32:43but I hope

00:32:43the context

00:32:44help you

00:32:44imagine.

00:32:46I have a

00:32:46follow-up

00:32:47question.

00:32:47Is it

00:32:48true that

00:32:49Christmas

00:32:50was not

00:32:50celebrated,

00:32:51was already

00:32:52celebrated

00:32:52before pa lang

00:32:53sa dating

00:32:54ng Spanish?

00:32:55Kasi mayroon

00:32:56daw,

00:32:56may nabasa ako

00:32:57dati na,

00:32:57like the

00:32:58Italians,

00:32:59like they

00:33:00came here

00:33:00before,

00:33:01even before

00:33:02the,

00:33:03is that

00:33:03contested?

00:33:04Yeah,

00:33:04it's a

00:33:04contested

00:33:05history.

00:33:05You're talking

00:33:06about

00:33:06Father

00:33:06Odorico

00:33:07coming to

00:33:09Bulinaw

00:33:09Pangasinan.

00:33:13Mahirap

00:33:13i-rule out

00:33:14kasi

00:33:14it needs

00:33:15further

00:33:16study.

00:33:20Actually,

00:33:21mahirap

00:33:21panapan

00:33:22ng

00:33:23evidence

00:33:24ng

00:33:24pre-colonial

00:33:27Christian

00:33:28existence.

00:33:31Una,

00:33:31kulang pa tayo

00:33:32sa

00:33:33pag-aaral.

00:33:35Pangalawa,

00:33:38ang mas

00:33:39nakikita ko

00:33:40nga,

00:33:41yung influence

00:33:42na,

00:33:42well,

00:33:43Indianization,

00:33:44so yung influence

00:33:45ng Buddhism

00:33:46ay prevalent

00:33:47sa Pilipinas.

00:33:51Kasi

00:33:52halos

00:33:52Chinese

00:33:53yung mga,

00:33:53so mas

00:33:54pa yung mga,

00:33:54halimbawa,

00:33:55yung mga

00:33:55Chinese

00:33:56lanterns

00:33:56siguro,

00:33:57baka mas,

00:33:57yung parol,

00:33:59halimbawa,

00:34:00parang mas,

00:34:01hindi,

00:34:02kasi

00:34:02yung mga

00:34:03parol,

00:34:03pinata yan

00:34:04sa Mexico,

00:34:05parang mas

00:34:06yung Chinese

00:34:06lanterns

00:34:07yung sa atin

00:34:07kasi mas

00:34:08kausap

00:34:09natin

00:34:09ng China.

00:34:11So,

00:34:12may mga

00:34:12ganun na

00:34:12parang

00:34:13mga

00:34:13tradition

00:34:17tayo

00:34:17na

00:34:17nakikita.

00:34:19Nakalimutan ko

00:34:20yung tanong mo ulit.

00:34:21Wiglang nawala

00:34:21sa isip ko.

00:34:24I don't think so.

00:34:27I don't think so.

00:34:28It needs

00:34:28further study.

00:34:29I'm not

00:34:29discounting,

00:34:30but it needs

00:34:31further study.

00:34:32Salamat po.

00:34:35My follow-up

00:34:35question is that

00:34:40you mentioned

00:34:41that Filipinos

00:34:42are,

00:34:42our sense of

00:34:43community lies

00:34:44with our

00:34:44food sharing

00:34:45or like

00:34:46loving food.

00:34:47What do you

00:34:47think is

00:34:48like for

00:34:49the counterpart

00:34:50in the West?

00:34:51Like,

00:34:51how do they

00:34:52celebrate

00:34:52holidays?

00:34:54Well,

00:34:55yung fiesta,

00:34:56yung,

00:34:56kasi nagfi-fiesta

00:34:58din naman sila,

00:34:58yung feasting.

00:35:00It's a different

00:35:01kind.

00:35:01It's a different,

00:35:02well,

00:35:03there are similarities.

00:35:05Yung feasting kasi,

00:35:06sa anthropology kasi,

00:35:08ano yan eh,

00:35:09yung mga feasting,

00:35:11yung mga funerals,

00:35:12yung mga weddings,

00:35:13yung mga yan,

00:35:13yun yung mga,

00:35:14yun yung mga time

00:35:16na nagkakasama-sama

00:35:17yung community

00:35:18to celebrate.

00:35:19So,

00:35:19may mga ganyan din

00:35:20naman sila.

00:35:25Siguro,

00:35:25what spells

00:35:26the difference is,

00:35:29yung sa atin kasi,

00:35:29yung feasting natin

00:35:30mas centered

00:35:31sa family.

00:35:33Mas centered

00:35:34sa family.

00:35:35Even yung mga fiesta

00:35:37natin,

00:35:38even if may pupuntang

00:35:39ibang tao,

00:35:40it's really

00:35:41a family reunion eh.

00:35:42So,

00:35:43Christmas is a family

00:35:44reunion,

00:35:44New Year is a family

00:35:45reunion,

00:35:46mas-mas ganun siguro

00:35:47yung emphasis

00:35:48sa feasting natin.

00:35:51Kasi,

00:35:52if you're going to look

00:35:53at it,

00:35:55iniisip ko nga

00:35:55kung nag,

00:35:56well,

00:35:57may Christmas,

00:35:58ang problema kasi

00:36:00sa West,

00:36:01family din naman eh.

00:36:03Pero nakikita natin

00:36:04na yung fabric

00:36:05of the family itself

00:36:06nagdi-disintegrate eh.

00:36:09Medyo parang,

00:36:09nagdi-disintegrate

00:36:10and parang

00:36:10nagiging less,

00:36:11less na yung,

00:36:13yung emphasis on that.

00:36:15So,

00:36:17eh sa Pilipino,

00:36:17talaga,

00:36:18pamilya talaga

00:36:18ang Pasko.

00:36:21Tsaka yung ano,

00:36:22yung emphasis

00:36:23ng Pasko

00:36:24sa mga bata.

00:36:25Diba?

00:36:26Although,

00:36:26ginagawa din nila yan

00:36:27sa trick or treat,

00:36:28sa Halloween,

00:36:29diba?

00:36:30Yung Pasko talaga dito,

00:36:31sa bata talaga yan eh.

00:36:33Halimbawa,

00:36:35diba yung mga

00:36:35Aguinaldo,

00:36:36Gibing,

00:36:36ganyan.

00:36:38Tapos,

00:36:39ito nga sinabi ni Rizal

00:36:40sa El Pilipisterismo yata,

00:36:42yun kung di ako

00:36:42nagkakamali,

00:36:44na kapag bata kang

00:36:45pagpasko,

00:36:46nabubwisit ka.

00:36:48Kasi diba yun yung

00:36:49pakakantain ka,

00:36:50ng magulang mo

00:36:51kasi gusto mo

00:36:52bigyan ka ng pera

00:36:53ng mga ninong mo,

00:36:54ganyan,

00:36:55kakanta ka.

00:36:56Tapos parang

00:36:56ang dami daw kurot

00:36:57na tatatanggap ng bata

00:36:58dahil sa pagpipilit

00:37:00na kumanta siya,

00:37:01ganyan,

00:37:02et cetera, et cetera.

00:37:03So,

00:37:03yun yung ano,

00:37:05kasi sinasabi ni Rizal,

00:37:06parang ano siya,

00:37:07cynical eh.

00:37:08At totoo bang Pasko

00:37:09para sa mga bata,

00:37:11eh ano nga yan eh,

00:37:12parang hassle yung

00:37:13mga ganyan sa amin,

00:37:14ganyan, ganyan, ganyan.

00:37:15So, whatever.

00:37:16But,

00:37:17that's how,

00:37:18yun yung yun yung

00:37:19nakikita kong parang

00:37:20ano, no?

00:37:23Difference.

00:37:25Kasi iniisip ko,

00:37:27sa pelikula

00:37:27nakikita natin yan eh,

00:37:28na may mga feast,

00:37:29may mga dinner pa din,

00:37:32ka Christmas.

00:37:33Pero,

00:37:34totoo bang

00:37:34ganun ka prevalent yun?

00:37:37Kasi,

00:37:37pag naging secular

00:37:38ang isang lipunan,

00:37:40like America,

00:37:42minsan,

00:37:43palilipasin mo na lang

00:37:44yung araw na yan eh.

00:37:46Di ba?

00:37:47Hindi mo na hintayin yung

00:37:4812 o'clock,

00:37:48matutulog ka na.

00:37:50Yung ba mga Amerikano,

00:37:52yung mga ninong-ninong,

00:37:53yung mga inaanak,

00:37:54pupunta ba sa mga

00:37:55ninong-ninong yun?

00:37:56Di ba?

00:37:57You don't see that.

00:37:59Dito yan sa Pilipinas,

00:38:00pag Christmas morning,

00:38:01yung mga bata binibihisan,

00:38:04tapos,

00:38:04maghihingi ng aguinaldo

00:38:06sa ninong at ninang.

00:38:07Di ba?

00:38:08Kaso ngayon,

00:38:09hindi na ginagawa yan

00:38:11ng iba.

00:38:11Bakit?

00:38:12May Gcash na eh.

00:38:13Itetext ka na lang po,

00:38:14tatamad ng mga inaanak eh.

00:38:17Tatamad eh.

00:38:18QR code.

00:38:18QR code na lang eh.

00:38:20Di ba?

00:38:21QR code.

00:38:22So, yun,

00:38:23yun ang ano natin.

00:38:24Yun ang sagot ko si Gubadon.

00:38:26Emphasis sa family.

00:38:28Thank you, bro.

00:38:29Salamat.

00:38:31Others?

00:38:32I have

00:38:33medyo left field.

00:38:35Sige.

00:38:36Out of the holiday

00:38:37aspect.

00:38:38Let's do it.

00:38:39So,

00:38:40prof,

00:38:41so,

00:38:43obviously,

00:38:44Philippine politics

00:38:44is not in a good place.

00:38:46Oh my God.

00:38:47I'm not gonna go into that.

00:38:48You said it.

00:38:49Yeah.

00:38:49You said it.

00:38:50But,

00:38:51as a historian,

00:38:52can you pinpoint

00:38:53or

00:38:54do you have a,

00:38:55you know,

00:38:56like a point in time

00:38:57where it all went wrong

00:38:58and what did you think

00:38:59of the Quezon film?

00:39:01Okay.

00:39:02That's a,

00:39:02that's a,

00:39:03true,

00:39:04from question,

00:39:06from question,

00:39:07whatever.

00:39:08I forgot my English already.

00:39:10Pero ganito,

00:39:10yung una-muna.

00:39:14Okay.

00:39:16Actually,

00:39:16according to Professor Vanny Bienas,

00:39:18my friend from the De La Salle University,

00:39:20that's the comforting role of history.

00:39:27What's the comforting role of history?

00:39:29And we saw this

00:39:31during the COVID-19 pandemic.

00:39:33During the COVID-19 pandemic,

00:39:35nauso sa amin

00:39:36yung magkwentuhan

00:39:37about World War II.

00:39:41Kasi,

00:39:42the power of history is

00:39:43when you're in deep shit,

00:39:47you will realize

00:39:48that our ancestors

00:39:50were in deeper shit,

00:39:53but we still

00:39:53came through.

00:39:57For whatever reason,

00:39:58they did not know

00:39:59what to do,

00:40:00but we survived

00:40:01and we came through.

00:40:06The people who fought

00:40:07the Philippine Revolution

00:40:08had the worst time,

00:40:10but they came through.

00:40:13So,

00:40:13when you look at history

00:40:14like that,

00:40:15you will see

00:40:16that we'll find our way.

00:40:19And you just have to have faith

00:40:20that it will happen.

00:40:21Because if you stop

00:40:22having faith

00:40:23that we will find

00:40:24our way through,

00:40:25then you'll stop

00:40:26searching for solutions.

00:40:28You'll stop fighting.

00:40:31You will not even go

00:40:32to the November 30th march

00:40:34against corruption.

00:40:36Because,

00:40:37lost cause na eh.

00:40:39Ang hirap mong mahalin,

00:40:40Pilipinas,

00:40:40suko na ako.

00:40:42And when you look at history,

00:40:43you do not do that.

00:40:45Because we came through

00:40:46because of people

00:40:47who said,

00:40:48we're not going to surrender.

00:40:49We're not going to give up.

00:40:53And they didn't.

00:40:54And we are here.

00:40:56So,

00:40:57when you look at history,

00:40:58even if it's like,

00:40:59kwento lang yan eh.

00:41:01Kwento lang yan.

00:41:03Kaya nga,

00:41:04yung mga kwento na yan

00:41:05ay mahalaga

00:41:05dahil that,

00:41:06those stories

00:41:07move us to act.

00:41:10Di ba?

00:41:11When you start

00:41:13becoming cynical,

00:41:14that's when problem happens.

00:41:15So,

00:41:17and unfortunately,

00:41:20we are becoming cynical.

00:41:23And that is why

00:41:24we have to remind ourselves again.

00:41:26Yes,

00:41:29there are a lot,

00:41:30alam mo yung,

00:41:31yung,

00:41:32shitty shit talaga eh.

00:41:33We're deep shit.

00:41:35I'm sorry for,

00:41:36for my French, no?

00:41:38Pero,

00:41:40yun na nga eh.

00:41:41Kailangan ko lang,

00:41:42mo lang maniwala

00:41:43na,

00:41:44the story of this country

00:41:46will continue.

00:41:48At walang tutulong sa atin

00:41:49kundi tayo.

00:41:51We will not wait

00:41:52for the Americans

00:41:52to rescue us.

00:41:53That will not,

00:41:54ang dami-dami ngayon,

00:41:55di ba?

00:41:56I would rather

00:41:57have a country

00:41:58run like hell

00:41:59by the Americans.

00:42:01Parang ganun, di ba?

00:42:02Rather than a country

00:42:03run like heaven

00:42:04by Filipinos.

00:42:05May naligtad na si Quezon,

00:42:06di ba?

00:42:06Kasi gusto nila

00:42:07mag-Amerikano na sila.

00:42:09But,

00:42:10seriously,

00:42:12yun yung,

00:42:12yun yung kapangyarihan

00:42:13talaga ng history.

00:42:14So, yeah,

00:42:15we've been there.

00:42:18Destruction pa nga yun,

00:42:19tsaka foreign intervention eh.

00:42:22Yung sa corruption,

00:42:23yung tindi ng corruption.

00:42:25I think,

00:42:25yung martial law,

00:42:29ano rin yun?

00:42:29That's a big,

00:42:31it's a deal breaker

00:42:32when it comes to corruption.

00:42:33Before,

00:42:34medyo nahikitan ngayon,

00:42:35di ba?

00:42:37Nakaraos naman tayo,

00:42:38eventually.

00:42:39We had the 1987

00:42:41constitution,

00:42:42we restored our

00:42:43democratic space,

00:42:45we were actually

00:42:46moving forward,

00:42:47kung hindi lang tayo

00:42:47kinuditan ng kinuditan

00:42:49ni Manong Gianni.

00:42:51Alam mo yun,

00:42:51all of those things,

00:42:54meron naman tayong progress,

00:42:55except that,

00:42:56the elite,

00:42:58kasi di ba

00:43:00we are an elite

00:43:01democracy,

00:43:02the elite

00:43:03always botches

00:43:04every move

00:43:06to empower

00:43:06the people.

00:43:07The 1987

00:43:09constitution,

00:43:10the local

00:43:10government code,

00:43:12gives so much

00:43:13power to local

00:43:14governments

00:43:14and so much

00:43:15power to the

00:43:16people,

00:43:17but the local

00:43:17elites

00:43:18botches

00:43:19everything.

00:43:20I will tell you,

00:43:22people always

00:43:23blame Imperial

00:43:24Manila

00:43:24for the problems

00:43:27of the country.

00:43:27Bakit hindi kami

00:43:28napapansin?

00:43:29Bakit hindi

00:43:29kami napapansin?

00:43:32Ulul.

00:43:35May mga

00:43:36local

00:43:36government

00:43:37governments

00:43:37na maayos

00:43:38because they

00:43:39know how to

00:43:40use their

00:43:40powers in the

00:43:41local

00:43:41government

00:43:42code.

00:43:43They have

00:43:44local

00:43:44autonomy.

00:43:46Kahit na

00:43:47bobo yung

00:43:48presidente

00:43:49ng

00:43:49Pilipinas,

00:43:50hindi ko

00:43:50sinasabing

00:43:51bobo yung

00:43:51ngayon.

00:43:52I mean,

00:43:53I appreciate

00:43:53some of the

00:43:54things that

00:43:54he's doing.

00:43:56Kahit bobo

00:43:57ang presidente

00:43:58ng

00:43:58Pilipinas,

00:43:59kung magaling

00:43:59ang mayor

00:43:59nyo,

00:44:00okay kayo?

00:44:01Kahit magaling

00:44:02ang presidente

00:44:03ng

00:44:04Pilipinas,

00:44:04pag bobo

00:44:05yung mayor

00:44:05nyo,

00:44:06kawawa

00:44:06kayo?

00:44:07So,

00:44:09people are always

00:44:10blaming the

00:44:11national

00:44:11government,

00:44:12Metro

00:44:12Manila,

00:44:13sa kabobohan

00:44:15ng mga

00:44:15local

00:44:16elite leaders

00:44:17na ine-elect

00:44:18natin

00:44:18kasi wala tayong

00:44:19choice.

00:44:19Ang ganda-ganda

00:44:23nung sinasabi

00:44:23ng

00:44:231908-7

00:44:25constitution

00:44:25about the

00:44:26party list

00:44:26that the

00:44:27marginalized

00:44:28sector

00:44:29will be

00:44:29represented.

00:44:31Nagkaroon

00:44:32ng Supreme

00:44:32Court

00:44:32decision

00:44:33na

00:44:33wala naman

00:44:33daw pala

00:44:34yun.

00:44:35So,

00:44:36lahat nala

00:44:36party list

00:44:37na.

00:44:39Alam mo yun?

00:44:40Pork

00:44:40barrel.

00:44:41Ang ganda

00:44:41na nung

00:44:42ginawa

00:44:42ng gobyerno

00:44:43eh,

00:44:43hindi na

00:44:44yung

00:44:44mismo

00:44:44congressman

00:44:45ang bibigyan

00:44:46ng pera

00:44:46for projects.

00:44:47Hihingi siya

00:44:48sa government

00:44:49agency

00:44:49na ipasok

00:44:51yun

00:44:51sa gaa.

00:44:53Anong ginawa

00:44:54nila?

00:44:55Ay,

00:44:55nagsabuatan

00:44:56ngayon sila

00:44:57para magkaroon

00:44:57ng pera.

00:45:00We always

00:45:01blame ourselves,

00:45:02the Filipinos,

00:45:03for voting

00:45:04leaders.

00:45:05Kaya tayo

00:45:05nagkakaganito.

00:45:08The way

00:45:08mali daw tayong

00:45:09bumoto,

00:45:10mali daw tayong

00:45:10ganito.

00:45:11The problem

00:45:11is,

00:45:13I don't want

00:45:13to blame

00:45:14us na kasi

00:45:14you know,

00:45:15the ordinary

00:45:16man.

00:45:18You people,

00:45:20you go to

00:45:20shit,

00:45:21personal shit

00:45:21everyday

00:45:22to work

00:45:23your ass

00:45:24and have,

00:45:25you know,

00:45:26magkaroon tayo

00:45:26ng tayo

00:45:27ng kabuhayan.

00:45:29Tapos,

00:45:29isisin pa tayo

00:45:30sa kalokohan

00:45:31ng mga leader

00:45:32natin.

00:45:33Excuse me.

00:45:35I refuse

00:45:36to do that.

00:45:37I blame

00:45:38the elites.

00:45:41Not all

00:45:42elites are

00:45:42bad, okay?

00:45:43But I blame

00:45:44the elites

00:45:45for botching

00:45:46our democracy.

00:45:47Kaya tayo

00:45:47nag-nandito.

00:45:49Ang ganda-ganda

00:45:50ng sistema

00:45:51natin.

00:45:51Hindi natin

00:45:52kailangang

00:45:52palitan,

00:45:53pero

00:45:53natutwist nila

00:45:56at some,

00:45:58in some way.

00:46:00Then we go

00:46:00to Quezon.

00:46:01Yeah,

00:46:02because that's,

00:46:02I was kind of

00:46:04leading into that

00:46:05na,

00:46:05is it

00:46:05truly

00:46:06yung patronage

00:46:07politics,

00:46:07you know,

00:46:08and all that.

00:46:08Yeah.

00:46:09Okay.

00:46:09If you watch

00:46:12the film

00:46:13Quezon,

00:46:13you're going

00:46:14to have

00:46:15an immediate

00:46:16feeling

00:46:19that

00:46:20patronage

00:46:21politics

00:46:21was invented

00:46:22by Quezon.

00:46:23Okay.

00:46:25In fact,

00:46:26in fairness

00:46:26to the film,

00:46:27the film

00:46:27did not say

00:46:27that.

00:46:29Malinaw na

00:46:30pinakita

00:46:30sa huli

00:46:31that the

00:46:32patronage

00:46:33politics

00:46:33was instituted

00:46:35by the

00:46:36colonizer.

00:46:38Except that

00:46:39when Quezon

00:46:40became national

00:46:41leader of the

00:46:42country,

00:46:43sinaman niya yun

00:46:44doon sa magiging

00:46:45template of what

00:46:46the Philippine

00:46:47state would be.

00:46:49Okay.

00:46:50Kaya nga,

00:46:50more than

00:46:51Rizal

00:46:52and more than

00:46:53Bonifacio,

00:46:55the template

00:46:56of the

00:46:56Philippines

00:46:57is actually

00:46:58not them,

00:46:59but Manuel

00:47:00Quezon.

00:47:01Yung hubog

00:47:02ng bansang

00:47:03estado

00:47:04at bansang

00:47:05Pilipinas

00:47:05ay Quezon.

00:47:07Sa imahe

00:47:07ni Quezon.

00:47:08Okay.

00:47:09What is the

00:47:10context?

00:47:11Simple.

00:47:12The DATU.

00:47:14The DATU

00:47:14is the leader

00:47:15of the people.

00:47:17Sa kanyang

00:47:17boats,

00:47:18sa kanyang

00:47:19mga lupa,

00:47:21pero

00:47:21he dispenses,

00:47:23he facilitates

00:47:24that the people

00:47:25use this

00:47:26for the

00:47:27kaginawaan

00:47:27of the

00:47:28whole

00:47:28bayan.

00:47:29Okay.

00:47:31Kaya tayo

00:47:32nagkandahetot-hetot

00:47:33dahil sa

00:47:33kolonyalismo,

00:47:34dahil pagdating

00:47:35ng mga

00:47:35Kastila,

00:47:38itong mga

00:47:38local leaders,

00:47:39these DATUs,

00:47:41will now have to

00:47:41kowtow to the

00:47:42colonizer

00:47:43so that they

00:47:44can give

00:47:45ginawa to

00:47:46their people.

00:47:48Napwersa na eh,

00:47:49puwersa tayo eh.

00:47:50Dumating kasi sila,

00:47:51hindi naman natin

00:47:52sila hinanap,

00:47:53di ba?

00:47:54Pagdating ng

00:47:55Amerikano,

00:47:56ganun pa rin.

00:47:58Okay.

00:47:59We tried to

00:47:59break that

00:48:00in the middle

00:48:01of that

00:48:02two

00:48:02periods

00:48:03during the

00:48:05Pilipino

00:48:05Revolution.

00:48:07Kung nanalo

00:48:08tayo

00:48:08noong

00:48:09Revolusyong

00:48:09Pilipino,

00:48:10just imagine

00:48:11si

00:48:13Jose Rizal,

00:48:14senador

00:48:14ng

00:48:16Pilipinas.

00:48:17Kung gano'ng

00:48:18kaganda ang

00:48:18Pilipinas.

00:48:20Dahil itong

00:48:20mga taong

00:48:21ito,

00:48:21tunay na

00:48:22nagmamahal

00:48:22sa bayan.

00:48:23Kung si

00:48:23Marcelo

00:48:24del

00:48:24Pilar,

00:48:25si

00:48:25Emilio

00:48:25Napasito,

00:48:26si Apolinario

00:48:27mabini,

00:48:27sila yung

00:48:28nagpatakbo

00:48:28ng gobyerno.

00:48:31Si Bonifacio,

00:48:32kasama pa dyan.

00:48:33Kahit si

00:48:33Aguinaldo,

00:48:34bati sila

00:48:34noon.

00:48:35Bati sila

00:48:36doon sa

00:48:36iniimagine

00:48:37kong bansa.

00:48:39Ang problema,

00:48:41patay silang

00:48:41lahat.

00:48:42Si Aguinaldo

00:48:42lang yung buhay.

00:48:44Patay silang

00:48:45lahat.

00:48:47So,

00:48:49the next

00:48:49set of

00:48:50leaders,

00:48:52Makami

00:48:52Sakay,

00:48:53patay na

00:48:54naman.

00:48:55si Papeso

00:48:57Madibiernas,

00:48:58my friend,

00:48:59he made me

00:49:00realize this.

00:49:01Manuel

00:49:02Quezon,

00:49:03why is he

00:49:04two-faced?

00:49:05He says

00:49:06independencia

00:49:07and then he

00:49:08says

00:49:08Isle of

00:49:08America.

00:49:10Simple.

00:49:12When

00:49:12the Americans,

00:49:14when

00:49:14Quezon,

00:49:15the next

00:49:15batch of

00:49:15leaders,

00:49:16they were

00:49:16very young.

00:49:17They were

00:49:17very young

00:49:18at that

00:49:18time.

00:49:19Hindi sila

00:49:19old

00:49:20traditional

00:49:21politikos.

00:49:22Very

00:49:22young.

00:49:22When

00:49:23they were

00:49:23looking at

00:49:24the last

00:49:25generation

00:49:26that happened

00:49:27and they

00:49:27were all

00:49:28dead,

00:49:28they said,

00:49:29we have

00:49:30to change

00:49:30our strategy.

00:49:32If we

00:49:33want to give

00:49:33kaginawaan

00:49:34to our

00:49:34people and

00:49:35kalayaan,

00:49:36we have

00:49:36to play

00:49:37the game

00:49:37of the

00:49:37Americans.

00:49:39So,

00:49:40the

00:49:41patronage

00:49:41politics that

00:49:42happened was,

00:49:43if you look at

00:49:44the end of

00:49:44the Quezon

00:49:45film,

00:49:46the Americans

00:49:47helped

00:49:48these young

00:49:48politikos

00:49:49to become

00:49:50local

00:49:51leaders

00:49:51first

00:49:51and then

00:49:52national

00:49:52leaders

00:49:53for the

00:49:53National

00:49:53Assembly.

00:49:55And the

00:49:56patronage

00:49:57of the

00:49:57Americans.

00:49:59So,

00:49:59anong

00:49:59mangyayari

00:49:59diyan?

00:50:00Dahil yan

00:50:00na yung

00:50:01kalakaran

00:50:01nila.

00:50:01They have

00:50:02to play

00:50:02that

00:50:02game.

00:50:02Then

00:50:03everyone

00:50:03plays

00:50:03that

00:50:03game,

00:50:04including

00:50:04the

00:50:04businessmen.

00:50:06Ginawa

00:50:07nilang

00:50:07negosyo

00:50:07ang

00:50:07gobyerno.

00:50:09Do you

00:50:09get me?

00:50:10So,

00:50:10businessmen

00:50:11sila,

00:50:11they're

00:50:12not

00:50:12officials,

00:50:13but

00:50:13they're

00:50:13going to

00:50:14help

00:50:14these

00:50:14politicians.

00:50:15They're

00:50:15going to

00:50:16give

00:50:16them

00:50:17board

00:50:18of

00:50:19director

00:50:19seats

00:50:20and all

00:50:20of that

00:50:21so that

00:50:22they get

00:50:23protected.

00:50:24And they

00:50:25can continue

00:50:26their

00:50:27capitalist

00:50:27ventures

00:50:28that in

00:50:29many ways,

00:50:30some of

00:50:31them are

00:50:31abusive.

00:50:32Di ba?

00:50:33Or

00:50:34detrimental.

00:50:35So,

00:50:36yun yung

00:50:36nangyayari.

00:50:37The patronage

00:50:37politics that

00:50:38happened there,

00:50:39eventually,

00:50:40is the

00:50:41order of

00:50:43the day.

00:50:45Now,

00:50:45some of

00:50:46relatives

00:50:46are mad

00:50:47about

00:50:47the

00:50:48Quezon

00:50:48film

00:50:48because

00:50:48yes,

00:50:50that was

00:50:50Quezon.

00:50:51That was

00:50:52his

00:50:52political,

00:50:53Quezon

00:50:54as a

00:50:54political

00:50:54animal.

00:50:55Pero

00:50:55bakit

00:50:56walang

00:50:56redemption?

00:50:57So,

00:50:58nagahanap

00:50:58sa

00:50:58redeeming

00:50:59value.

00:51:00So,

00:51:01if you're

00:51:01going to

00:51:01look at

00:51:02it,

00:51:03Quezon,

00:51:03to be

00:51:04fair to

00:51:04him,

00:51:04also

00:51:05gave

00:51:05us

00:51:05the

00:51:06virtues

00:51:06of

00:51:07the

00:51:07Philippine

00:51:07government.

00:51:09And

00:51:09what is

00:51:10the

00:51:10virtue

00:51:10of the

00:51:11Philippine

00:51:11government?

00:51:12Social

00:51:13justice.

00:51:14In

00:51:15America,

00:51:16there is

00:51:17a debate

00:51:17between

00:51:18Republicans

00:51:18and

00:51:19Democrats.

00:51:21Obamacare,

00:51:22healthcare,

00:51:23are we going

00:51:23to give it

00:51:24to the

00:51:24poor?

00:51:24The

00:51:24Republicans

00:51:24said,

00:51:25why are we

00:51:25going to

00:51:26give our

00:51:26taxes to

00:51:27the

00:51:27poor?

00:51:30You know,

00:51:31they say,

00:51:32socialism is

00:51:33when they

00:51:33do it.

00:51:34In the

00:51:35Philippines,

00:51:35we have

00:51:36totally,

00:51:37absolutely

00:51:38no problem

00:51:39with it.

00:51:39We accept

00:51:40it.

00:51:40that if

00:51:41they are

00:51:41poor,

00:51:42they should

00:51:42be

00:51:42helped.

00:51:43And in

00:51:44many ways,

00:51:44that

00:51:44mentality

00:51:45was

00:51:46shaped

00:51:46by

00:51:46Quezon.

00:51:48At

00:51:49first,

00:51:50there was

00:51:50hiccups.

00:51:53The

00:51:53revolt was

00:51:54terrible.

00:51:56Diba?

00:51:57Niminasa

00:51:57kami yung

00:51:58mga

00:51:58agrarian

00:51:59revolutionaries.

00:52:01Pero,

00:52:02ito yung

00:52:03masaya.

00:52:04After

00:52:04some time,

00:52:05Quezon

00:52:05had

00:52:05everything.

00:52:07And

00:52:07eventually,

00:52:08he started

00:52:08to consider

00:52:09what the

00:52:09people

00:52:09needed.

00:52:11The

00:52:11eight-hour

00:52:11law,

00:52:12the minimum

00:52:12wage,

00:52:13housing,

00:52:15national

00:52:15language,

00:52:16for more

00:52:17inclusion,

00:52:18vote for

00:52:18women,

00:52:19all of

00:52:19these

00:52:19things,

00:52:20for

00:52:20inclusion.

00:52:21Na

00:52:22na-realize

00:52:22niya na

00:52:22dapat niyang

00:52:23gawin.

00:52:25So,

00:52:26and to

00:52:26actually

00:52:27have a

00:52:27vision

00:52:28for a

00:52:29country we

00:52:29can be

00:52:30proud of,

00:52:31first,

00:52:31by setting

00:52:32up a

00:52:32capital,

00:52:33which he

00:52:33named

00:52:34for himself.

00:52:35Quezon City.

00:52:37Pero,

00:52:38it's something,

00:52:39it's a capital

00:52:39that we can

00:52:40be proud of,

00:52:41like the

00:52:41other

00:52:41capitals

00:52:41that he

00:52:42saw when

00:52:42he was

00:52:42traveling

00:52:43around the

00:52:44world.

00:52:45So,

00:52:46sabi ko nga,

00:52:47Quezon is

00:52:47a son of a

00:52:48bitch,

00:52:49but he's

00:52:49my son of

00:52:50a bitch.

00:52:50Kasi,

00:52:51yeah,

00:52:51there's

00:52:52this,

00:52:53and,

00:52:53ang context

00:52:54naman nun,

00:52:55if there was

00:52:55corruption

00:52:56there,

00:52:57eh,

00:52:58siguro napakalit

00:52:59ng,

00:53:00I mean,

00:53:00hindi siyang

00:53:00laki nung

00:53:01ngayon.

00:53:01Sobrang,

00:53:02That's an

00:53:03argument I'd

00:53:03make na,

00:53:04I mean,

00:53:04corruption

00:53:05probably

00:53:05exist in

00:53:06systems,

00:53:07but,

00:53:07these guys,

00:53:09110%

00:53:10wala nang

00:53:11iniwan for

00:53:11infrastructure.

00:53:13Dati,

00:53:14malaki ng

00:53:1410%,

00:53:15mahihiya ka

00:53:16na sa 10%

00:53:17nung unang

00:53:17panahon.

00:53:17May consentya ba?

00:53:19Oo,

00:53:19there was a

00:53:20line to draw.

00:53:22Diba,

00:53:22there was a

00:53:23line to draw.

00:53:23Kasi everyone

00:53:24does it.

00:53:24There was a

00:53:25line to draw.

00:53:26Pero ngayon,

00:53:27wala nang line.

00:53:28At saka,

00:53:28lahat,

00:53:29hindi lang yung

00:53:29opis,

00:53:30ang kakapal

00:53:31ng mukha,

00:53:31mga

00:53:32minions,

00:53:34mga

00:53:34minions,

00:53:34billion ang

00:53:36million ng

00:53:37pera,

00:53:38nagkakasino,

00:53:40na million

00:53:40ang pinapatalo.

00:53:41Bakit?

00:53:42Hindi naman nila

00:53:42pera yung pera

00:53:43ng bayan yun eh.

00:53:44Biruin mo,

00:53:45sinusugal yung

00:53:46pera natin?

00:53:47I mean,

00:53:48yeah,

00:53:49you can cancel

00:53:50Quezon

00:53:50and Osmeña

00:53:51and all of

00:53:51those people.

00:53:52Pero sobrang-sobrang,

00:53:54you have to just

00:53:54put them into

00:53:55context to

00:53:55understand them

00:53:56and you

00:53:57will be okay.

00:53:59Iba yung

00:54:00corruption ngayon.

00:54:01Well,

00:54:01of course,

00:54:02matindi yung

00:54:03role ni

00:54:03Ferdinand

00:54:04Senior

00:54:04diyan,

00:54:05Marcos

00:54:05Senior.

00:54:05Iba yung

00:54:06yung role

00:54:07niya diyan

00:54:07is really

00:54:07to,

00:54:08when he,

00:54:09when he,

00:54:10when he

00:54:11stole

00:54:12big

00:54:12and he

00:54:13did not

00:54:14pay for it

00:54:15and everyone

00:54:16else could

00:54:16do it.

00:54:18Okay,

00:54:19I want to,

00:54:19I want to

00:54:20tell you a story.

00:54:22You know,

00:54:23when people go

00:54:23to other places

00:54:24like Taiwan

00:54:25and then,

00:54:27and Dubai

00:54:27and they realize

00:54:28that,

00:54:28you know,

00:54:29these are

00:54:29dictatorships,

00:54:30this began

00:54:31as dictatorships.

00:54:33South Korea,

00:54:34big,

00:54:34there was a time

00:54:35that it was

00:54:36a dictatorship.

00:54:38Pero,

00:54:39why are they

00:54:40now

00:54:40rich

00:54:42countries

00:54:43and why

00:54:43are we

00:54:44poor?

00:54:45May human

00:54:46rights

00:54:46violations.

00:54:48Pero,

00:54:49they industrialized.

00:54:51They,

00:54:52their leaders

00:54:52had the

00:54:53foresight

00:54:54that they

00:54:55should invest

00:54:56on standing

00:54:57up on their

00:54:58own

00:54:58and industrialize

00:55:00and,

00:55:01ano yung,

00:55:01ano yung sa

00:55:02Korea naman,

00:55:02yung ano,

00:55:03yung manufacturing.

00:55:05That we should

00:55:05create our

00:55:06own products,

00:55:07not just raw

00:55:08materials and all.

00:55:10The problem

00:55:10with the

00:55:11dictatorship

00:55:12was that,

00:55:12yes,

00:55:13ano mo yun,

00:55:13na-appreciate

00:55:14natin yung

00:55:14dole-outs

00:55:14talaga eh,

00:55:15roads,

00:55:16bridges,

00:55:18pero,

00:55:20maliit yun.

00:55:21Kaya,

00:55:22kung kukumpara mo

00:55:22doon sa mga

00:55:23ginawa ni

00:55:23Chiang Kai-shek,

00:55:25na mga

00:55:25pag-industrialized,

00:55:26yung pagkakaroon

00:55:27ng sariling

00:55:27industriya,

00:55:28ni La Park

00:55:29Chung-hee,

00:55:30I'm not

00:55:30justifying

00:55:31dictatorship,

00:55:32pero at least

00:55:33these

00:55:33dictators,

00:55:34while they

00:55:35can and

00:55:35they have

00:55:36long terms,

00:55:37they were

00:55:37able to

00:55:37implement

00:55:38reforms,

00:55:39na hindi

00:55:39natin

00:55:39ginawa dito.

00:55:40Kasi,

00:55:41busy-busy sila

00:55:42umuutang sa

00:55:43IMF World Bank

00:55:43para i-bulsa.

00:55:46So,

00:55:48I'm sorry,

00:55:49I have to say this,

00:55:50umiiyak yung puso ko

00:55:52when I see

00:55:52other countries

00:55:54because I see

00:55:56the Philippines

00:55:57there.

00:55:58Yun tayo,

00:55:59yung kaya

00:55:59natin gawin

00:56:00with all our

00:56:00talents,

00:56:01with all our

00:56:02love of country,

00:56:03pero we are

00:56:04led by the

00:56:05elite democracy

00:56:06na ito,

00:56:07na talaga

00:56:07namang

00:56:08napaka-inept.

00:56:10I mean,

00:56:11not everyone,

00:56:11of course,

00:56:12but the system

00:56:13and good people

00:56:15do not want

00:56:15to lead

00:56:16because they

00:56:16know that

00:56:17they're going

00:56:17to be corrupted.

00:56:20Because

00:56:20there are more

00:56:22good people

00:56:22that

00:56:23parang

00:56:25kapag

00:56:25good

00:56:26government

00:56:27official ka,

00:56:28parang

00:56:28there's more

00:56:29likely you'll be

00:56:30in trouble.

00:56:32Diba?

00:56:32Rather than you

00:56:33playing the game.

00:56:35Kaya nga

00:56:35nakakatakot

00:56:36mag-engage

00:56:37sa government.

00:56:37Pero ako,

00:56:38alam nyo,

00:56:39ito yung sinasabi

00:56:40ko sa mga,

00:56:41I'm sorry

00:56:41if I'm dragging,

00:56:42but ito yung

00:56:43sinasabi ko

00:56:44sa mga kabataan

00:56:45ngayon.

00:56:45Huwag kayo

00:56:45matakot

00:56:46na mag-engage

00:56:47sa gobyerno.

00:56:49Ako,

00:56:49you don't have

00:56:50to be elected.

00:56:50I'm not elected.

00:56:51I'm not an official.

00:56:53But I have

00:56:54projects with

00:56:55government.

00:56:56At nagiging

00:56:57project sila.

00:56:58Hindi sila ghost.

00:56:58Okay?

00:56:59May mga projects

00:56:59ako.

00:57:01Hindi naman

00:57:02malaking pera

00:57:03ang binabayan

00:57:03sa akin.

00:57:04But I'm able

00:57:05to,

00:57:06parang kapag

00:57:06nag-engage ako

00:57:07with government

00:57:08because they

00:57:09have all the

00:57:10money and the

00:57:11capacity to

00:57:11actually implement

00:57:12changes that

00:57:13can impact

00:57:14a lot of

00:57:14people.

00:57:16Fulfilling.

00:57:17Fulfilling.

00:57:18I mean,

00:57:19to be part of

00:57:19Depend,

00:57:20for example,

00:57:20advising on the

00:57:21curriculum

00:57:22or be part of

00:57:23the National Library

00:57:24of the Philippines

00:57:25to create the

00:57:25National Gallery

00:57:28of Texts

00:57:29of Nationhood

00:57:30and all of

00:57:31these things.

00:57:32Ang sarap.

00:57:33Ang sarap na

00:57:34nakikita mong

00:57:35may napupuntahan.

00:57:37Marami pa rin

00:57:38kasing tao

00:57:38sa gobyerno

00:57:39ang hindi korap.

00:57:40Maraming

00:57:41government agencies

00:57:43ang hindi korap.

00:57:44Nakikita mo

00:57:45na may ginagawa sila

00:57:46sa kakaunting

00:57:47budget na

00:57:48binibigay sa

00:57:49kanila.

00:57:50So,

00:57:50doon ako masaya

00:57:51na I hope

00:57:52huwag tayong

00:57:53mawalan ng

00:57:54pag-asa

00:57:54sa gobyerno

00:57:56natin.

00:57:57Lalo na

00:57:58kung nakikita

00:57:58natin na

00:57:59may pinupuntahan

00:57:59at yung

00:58:01lahat ng

00:58:01talino natin,

00:58:02lahat ng

00:58:02mga kagalingan

00:58:03natin,

00:58:04the government

00:58:05needs them

00:58:05to serve

00:58:06our people.

00:58:07Do not be

00:58:08afraid to

00:58:08engage.

00:58:09Yun lang

00:58:10ang masasabi

00:58:10ko.

00:58:11Don't be

00:58:12hopeless.

00:58:13Don't be

00:58:13hopeless.

00:58:14I'm sorry

00:58:14for the

00:58:15long answer.

00:58:15No,

00:58:15no worries.

00:58:16We appreciate

00:58:17it.

00:58:17I think we

00:58:18have,

00:58:18you guys,

00:58:19we have a

00:58:19question?

00:58:20Yes,

00:58:20please.

00:58:21It's me

00:58:21again.

00:58:22Hi,

00:58:22Joshua.

00:58:23Yes.

00:58:25Medyo

00:58:26controversial

00:58:28lang,

00:58:28pero,

00:58:29not really

00:58:30controversial,

00:58:30but I want

00:58:31your take

00:58:31on this.

00:58:32So,

00:58:32do you

00:58:33think,

00:58:33or has

00:58:34the

00:58:34Philippine

00:58:35state

00:58:35used

00:58:35history

00:58:36more as

00:58:37a political

00:58:38tool than

00:58:38a discipline

00:58:39of truth?

00:58:39What do

00:58:40you think?

00:58:40Wow,

00:58:40that was a

00:58:41beautiful

00:58:41question.

00:58:43I'm now

00:58:43thinking,

00:58:44I'm processing

00:58:44the question

00:58:45now.

00:58:45Based on

00:58:47what I

00:58:47know,

00:58:48both,

00:58:49both,

00:58:50okay.

00:58:52Remember that

00:58:52history is

00:58:54innately

00:58:54political.

00:58:57You know

00:58:58why?

00:58:59It's not

00:59:00true that

00:59:00history can

00:59:01be neutral.

00:59:04Fact

00:59:05checking,

00:59:06fact

00:59:06telling can

00:59:07be neutral.

00:59:09But history

00:59:10is not

00:59:10about just

00:59:11facts.

00:59:11It's the

00:59:12analysis

00:59:12of facts.

00:59:14But you

00:59:15don't stop

00:59:15with analyzing

00:59:16the facts.

00:59:17You ask

00:59:18the question,

00:59:19what does

00:59:20this mean?

00:59:21Anong

00:59:21saisay

00:59:22ng facts

00:59:22na ito?

00:59:24That

00:59:25act is

00:59:26already

00:59:26political.

00:59:27Because when

00:59:28you ask

00:59:29the question,

00:59:30ano

00:59:30ang

00:59:30saisay

00:59:30nito,

00:59:32you already

00:59:33asked the

00:59:33question,

00:59:34saisay

00:59:34para

00:59:35kanino?

00:59:36The

00:59:37project of

00:59:37history

00:59:38for nation

00:59:38building,

00:59:39what Rizal

00:59:39did,

00:59:40and the

00:59:41others,

00:59:41Bonifacio,

00:59:42that's

00:59:42political.

00:59:44We cannot

00:59:44escape

00:59:45politics.

00:59:46Because

00:59:46the history

00:59:48of the

00:59:48nation

00:59:48is tied

00:59:49also

00:59:49to

00:59:49leaders,

00:59:50people,

00:59:51and

00:59:51leaders.

00:59:53So

00:59:53political

00:59:53talaga yan.

00:59:54Even

00:59:54the way

00:59:55what you

00:59:55emphasize,

00:59:56are you

00:59:56going to

00:59:57emphasize

00:59:57the

00:59:57glories

00:59:58of

00:59:58Spain

00:59:59and

00:59:59their

01:00:00contributions

01:00:00to

01:00:01the

01:00:01country?

01:00:01You

01:00:01can

01:00:01do

01:00:02that.

01:00:03But

01:00:03you

01:00:03can

01:00:03also

01:00:04emphasize

01:00:04the

01:00:05struggles

01:00:05of the

01:00:06Filipino

01:00:06people

01:00:06to

01:00:06regain

01:00:07control

01:00:08of

01:00:08their

01:00:08own

01:00:08country.

01:00:10Even

01:00:10that

01:00:11choice

01:00:11is

01:00:11political.

01:00:12So

01:00:13I guess

01:00:13you

01:00:13cannot

01:00:14divorce

01:00:14politics

01:00:16from

01:00:17history.

01:00:18What

01:00:18is

01:00:18lamentable

01:00:19is how

01:00:20some

01:00:20powerful

01:00:21forces

01:00:22use

01:00:23history

01:00:23for

01:00:24selfish

01:00:25means

01:00:25and not

01:00:26for

01:00:26enlightenment,

01:00:28truth-telling,

01:00:28or for

01:00:29the formation

01:00:30of the

01:00:31national

01:00:31community.

01:00:33Yun yung

01:00:33nakakabuisit.

01:00:36Ako,

01:00:37gumigising

01:00:37ako sa

01:00:38pangaraw-araw.

01:00:40Kung

01:00:40meron

01:00:40man akong

01:00:41mga

01:00:41naging

01:00:41pagkakamali

01:00:42sa

01:00:42analysis,

01:00:44sa

01:00:44buhay

01:00:44ko,

01:00:46I would

01:00:47have

01:00:47committed

01:00:47that.

01:00:48Yes.

01:00:48I'm

01:00:49not a

01:00:49perfect

01:00:49person.

01:00:50But I

01:00:51believe

01:00:51that

01:00:51every

01:00:52time I

01:00:52wake

01:00:52up,

01:00:53iniisip

01:00:54ko

01:00:54lagi,

01:00:54ano

01:00:54pa

01:00:55pwede

01:00:55kong

01:00:55gawin

01:00:55para

01:00:56yung

01:00:56kasaysayan

01:00:57ng

01:00:57Pilipinas

01:00:58ma-appreciate

01:00:58ng

01:00:59tao.

01:00:59Bakit?

01:01:00Kasi

01:01:00naniniwala

01:01:00ko

01:01:01na

01:01:01pag

01:01:01na-appreciate

01:01:01nila

01:01:02ang

01:01:02kasaysayan,

01:01:03mas

01:01:03mamahali

01:01:04nila

01:01:04ang

01:01:04identity

01:01:05natin.

01:01:06Kahit

01:01:06ang

01:01:11appreciate

01:01:11that

01:01:12we

01:01:12are

01:01:12a

01:01:12great

01:01:13people.

01:01:15Yan

01:01:15lang

01:01:15ang

01:01:15iniisip

01:01:16ko

01:01:16sa

01:01:16araw-araw

01:01:17pag

01:01:17gumigising

01:01:18ako.

01:01:19So,

01:01:22naiinis

01:01:23ako sa

01:01:23mga

01:01:23tao

01:01:24na

01:01:24nagbabaluktot

01:01:25ng

01:01:25kasaysayan

01:01:26para

01:01:26manalo

01:01:27ang

01:01:27mga

01:01:27kandidato.

01:01:30I

01:01:30don't

01:01:31know if

01:01:31I

01:01:31committed

01:01:31that

01:01:32kasi

01:01:32I'm

01:01:32also

01:01:32a

01:01:32partisan

01:01:33person.

01:01:34Yellow

01:01:34ako eh.

01:01:35But

01:01:36in my

01:01:36heart

01:01:36of

01:01:37hearts

01:01:37I

01:01:37know

01:01:37that

01:01:38when

01:01:39I

01:01:39analyzed

01:01:40I

01:01:40was

01:01:40fair

01:01:41kasi

01:01:42kahit

01:01:42ang

01:01:42yellow

01:01:42kahit

01:01:43yellow

01:01:43ako

01:01:43pag

01:01:44nagkamali

01:01:44ang

01:01:44yellow

01:01:44mali

01:01:45ang

01:01:45yellow

01:01:45mali

01:01:47ang

01:01:47Aquino

01:01:47kahit

01:01:49pabuwito

01:01:49ko si

01:01:49President

01:01:50Fidel

01:01:50Ramos

01:01:51may

01:01:51mga

01:01:51pagkakamali

01:01:52siyang

01:01:52ginawa

01:01:52sa palagay

01:01:53ko

01:01:53may

01:01:53mga

01:01:53misjudgment

01:01:54siya.

01:01:56So,

01:01:57ang

01:01:57importante

01:01:57is

01:01:58to show

01:01:58that

01:01:59even

01:01:59if

01:01:59you

01:01:59have

01:01:59partisan

01:02:00you

01:02:01are

01:02:01fair.

01:02:03Diba?

01:02:04So,

01:02:04but

01:02:05when you

01:02:05are not

01:02:06fair

01:02:06when

01:02:07you

01:02:07are

01:02:07yung

01:02:09alam

01:02:09mo

01:02:09you tell

01:02:11people

01:02:12na ito

01:02:13lang dapat

01:02:13yung

01:02:13paniwalaan

01:02:14nyo

01:02:14santo

01:02:15si ganito

01:02:15demonyo

01:02:16si ganito

01:02:16when we

01:02:17put people

01:02:18and make

01:02:18them believe

01:02:19that there

01:02:19are extreme

01:02:20narratives

01:02:22yan ang

01:02:22ayoko.

01:02:24Because

01:02:25yan ang

01:02:25nangyari

01:02:25sa US eh.

01:02:26Hindi pa

01:02:27nangyari

01:02:27well

01:02:27muntik

01:02:28nang

01:02:28nangyari

01:02:28sa atin

01:02:29pero

01:02:29sa US

01:02:30nangyari

01:02:30na

01:02:31polarized

01:02:32ng

01:02:32tao

01:02:33they

01:02:33don't

01:02:34want

01:02:34to

01:02:34talk

01:02:34to

01:02:34each

01:02:35other

01:02:35anymore

01:02:35and

01:02:35they

01:02:36resulted

01:02:36in

01:02:36ordinary

01:02:37people

01:02:37killing

01:02:37each

01:02:38other

01:02:38because

01:02:39of

01:02:39race

01:02:39because

01:02:40of

01:02:40religion

01:02:40because

01:02:41of

01:02:41ethnicity

01:02:43di ba

01:02:46of

01:02:46political

01:02:46beliefs

01:02:47ang mga

01:02:47presidente

01:02:48ina-assassinate

01:02:49ng mga

01:02:50DIY

01:02:50hindi

01:02:51ng mga

01:02:52political

01:02:52forces

01:02:53so

01:02:54sa

01:02:55Pilipinas

01:02:55I don't

01:02:56think

01:02:56nangyari

01:02:56pa yan

01:02:58may mo ba

01:02:59nagbugbuga

01:03:00na BBM

01:03:00saka

01:03:00DDS

01:03:01ngayon

01:03:01kahit

01:03:02mainit

01:03:02yung

01:03:03labanan

01:03:04nila

01:03:04sa

01:03:04social

01:03:04media

01:03:05wala

01:03:05kasi

01:03:06pag

01:03:06nagharap

01:03:06na

01:03:06yung

01:03:06dalawang

01:03:07taong

01:03:07Pilipino

01:03:08kapwa

01:03:09culture

01:03:09kahit

01:03:10galit

01:03:10na galit

01:03:11ka

01:03:11dyan

01:03:11hindi

01:03:11mo

01:03:11masasapak

01:03:12yan

01:03:12unless

01:03:12talagang

01:03:13galit

01:03:13na galit

01:03:14ka

01:03:14na

01:03:14talaga

01:03:14so

01:03:15yun

01:03:16na yung

01:03:16masasabi

01:03:17ko

01:03:17doon

01:03:17parang

01:03:18we

01:03:18are

01:03:19we

01:03:21are

01:03:21mayroong

01:03:22pamin tayong

01:03:22kahit

01:03:23papano

01:03:23mayroong

01:03:24pamin tayong

01:03:24fabric

01:03:24na

01:03:26pwede

01:03:26pa tayo

01:03:27mag-usap

01:03:27kaso

01:03:28yun

01:03:29na nga

01:03:29dahil

01:03:29sa culture

01:03:30yung political wars

01:03:31ngayon

01:03:31yung

01:03:32mga

01:03:33Duterte

01:03:34tsaka yung

01:03:35mga

01:03:35Bongbong

01:03:36diba

01:03:36talagang

01:03:36matindi yung

01:03:37away nila

01:03:38ngayon

01:03:38well

01:03:40I hope

01:03:40that we can

01:03:41still

01:03:41find our way

01:03:42to

01:03:43converse

01:03:44kasi

01:03:44ang history

01:03:45hindi yan

01:03:46para magkaroon tayo

01:03:47ng one

01:03:48narrative

01:03:49kalokohan

01:03:51yun eh

01:03:51kasi

01:03:53hindi naman

01:03:53pare-pare-wag

01:03:54experience

01:03:54natin eh

01:03:55iba yung

01:03:55experience

01:03:56yung Cebuano

01:03:56sa aming

01:03:57mga

01:03:57taga

01:03:57Maynila

01:03:57at

01:03:58taga

01:03:58Luzon

01:03:58diba

01:03:59both

01:04:00narratives

01:04:01should be

01:04:02recognized

01:04:03kailangan

01:04:04makita yan

01:04:05and

01:04:05we have

01:04:06we don't have

01:04:07one history

01:04:07we have

01:04:08histories

01:04:10of the

01:04:11Pilipinos

01:04:11na kailangan

01:04:13natin

01:04:14i-recognize

01:04:14perspective

01:04:17yan eh

01:04:17we cannot

01:04:19we cannot

01:04:20really divorce

01:04:20that

01:04:21so

01:04:21to answer

01:04:22your question

01:04:23sobrang

01:04:23haba

01:04:24yung sinasabi mo

01:04:25can we

01:04:26divorce

01:04:27politics

01:04:27no

01:04:28pero

01:04:29we should

01:04:31use

01:04:31history

01:04:32in a

01:04:32political

01:04:33way

01:04:33to

01:04:34for us

01:04:36to talk

01:04:37rather than

01:04:38divide

01:04:39each other

01:04:39so

01:04:40and I

01:04:41believe

01:04:41that

01:04:42if we

01:04:44are serious

01:04:44about this

01:04:45we can

01:04:45actually

01:04:46unite the

01:04:46people

01:04:46to

01:04:46history

01:04:47not as

01:04:48one

01:04:48histories

01:04:49but

01:04:49just the

01:04:50mere fact

01:04:51that we

01:04:51are

01:04:51having

01:04:52a

01:04:52talastasang

01:04:53bayan

01:04:53sabi nga

01:04:54ni

01:04:54say

01:04:54yung

01:04:54salasang

01:04:55so yun

01:04:55thank you

01:04:58and then

01:05:01prof

01:05:02I think

01:05:02you have

01:05:03places

01:05:03to go

01:05:03and we

01:05:04are very

01:05:04honored

01:05:04thank you

01:05:04so much

01:05:05I had

01:05:06fun

01:05:06yeah

01:05:07it's not

01:05:07everyday

01:05:08that we

01:05:08get to

01:05:08talk to

01:05:09Shao Chua

01:05:09in a set

01:05:11up like

01:05:11this

01:05:11so we

01:05:12just want

01:05:12to say

01:05:13thank you

01:05:13so much

01:05:14I think

01:05:14we believe

01:05:15that you're

01:05:16the best

01:05:16fit

01:05:17for our

01:05:17first

01:05:18guest

01:05:18in our

01:05:18first

01:05:19episode

01:05:19wow

01:05:19I'm so

01:05:20honored

01:05:20thank you

01:05:20so much

01:05:21first of all

01:05:21before we

01:05:22end

01:05:22I would

01:05:23like to

01:05:23promote

01:05:23my books

01:05:24I have

01:05:25a book

01:05:26on

01:05:26Anders

01:05:26Bonifacio

01:05:27it's called

01:05:27Bayani

01:05:27Biographies

01:05:28it's available

01:05:29in Shopee

01:05:31and then

01:05:34you have

01:05:35my newest

01:05:36book

01:05:37is

01:05:38Shouttime

01:05:39which are

01:05:40scripts

01:05:40from my

01:05:41it's

01:05:4220

01:05:42of the

01:05:43640

01:05:44scripts

01:05:45that I

01:05:46made

01:05:46so 20

01:05:47focusing

01:05:47on

01:05:48Filipino

01:05:48heroes

01:05:49from

01:05:49different

01:05:50I mean

01:05:51Filipino

01:05:51heroes

01:05:52during the

01:05:52revolution

01:05:53so

01:05:53two volumes

01:05:54and you

01:05:56can also

01:05:56buy that

01:05:57so

01:05:57thank you

01:05:59so much

01:05:59Sunstar

01:06:00I'm so

01:06:00honored

01:06:01to be

01:06:02with you

01:06:03and

01:06:04fantastic

01:06:05questions

01:06:05fantastic

01:06:06questions

01:06:07only to

01:06:09come from

01:06:09very

01:06:10intelligent

01:06:10people

01:06:11thank you

01:06:12so much

01:06:13thank you

01:06:13so much

01:06:13bro

01:06:14sige

01:06:14paano ba

01:06:16sasabihin

01:06:16natin

01:06:16daghang

01:06:17salamat

01:06:18sa inyong

01:06:19tanan

01:06:19salamat

01:06:19yay

01:06:20first episode

01:06:23done

01:06:23salamat po

01:06:25thank you

01:06:26thank you

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