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00:00armenia and azerbaijan surprised the world with a historic peace agreement after decades of tragic
00:08war but the secret ingredients to what was called an impossible peace have never been made public
00:14but now euronews has the opportunity to sit down with two of the key actors to discuss it further
00:20in this edition of eurasia talks we're joined by armen gregorian the secretary of the security
00:26council of armenia and hikmet hadjev the assistant to the president of azerbaijan
00:35gentlemen thank you for joining us on this episode of eurasia talks i wanted to begin by asking you
00:41how did your first contacts happen and what made it possible to unblock the standoff that we've been
00:48seeing hikmet thank you uh to jane for the opportunity to talk and i remember our first
00:54good days when we come together and discussing our agenda of the peace it was right after the 2020
01:00uh military engagement uh we in brussels had a good chance to meet and with support and facilitation
01:05of our eu friends uh but since that time uh opens instruction of our leaders we had a one concrete
01:11agenda how we can advance the peace and also how we can put aside the disagreements that we had
01:16together and azerbaijan that time uh we over again demonstrated our good willingness and also uh initiative
01:24about on a peace agenda and with our mayomanian colleagues also through other channels as well
01:29we were discussing advancement of the peace agenda together armen obviously with those um discussions
01:35you know what was it that your leadership and yourselves you know how did you come to the
01:40conclusion that peace was possible both in year one in bako i'm sure the leadership have been
01:48thinking how to bring peace and stability to the region my prime minister have been publicly very
01:55intensively talking how how much our society needs peace and uh we have been seeing that there is the
02:03same will in bako and we have been intensively working to that direction and here uh i think the first
02:12meeting was 21 22 uh between me and hikmet and now we are sitting here and discussing how to
02:20institutionalize the peace how to move forward in that context so the the success is great and we are
02:27also celebrating that we're here at the doha forum and obviously i heard you talking earlier and i think
02:33hikmet you refer to each other as colleagues that's a bold step forward and a real positive thing to use
02:39that terminology with each other in this journey together yeah really indeed uh uh within our
02:45armenian uh side and azerbaijan system of washington we are working on the concrete uh elements of the
02:50peace agenda that we have agreed in washington and azerbaijan demonstrates in a full uh commitment
02:55that was an agenda that we have agreed one of the important topics on our agenda is about in a
03:00corridor and again we do hope that uh within a corridor from azerbaijan side is in a considered and
03:06a zengizur corridor and also not a trump corridor where we are working together for its implementation
03:11we think that it will change in a completely uh the uh transport uh map of the eurasian continent
03:17and also in armenia azerbaijan bring us together and working together and will also contribute to
03:22building a mutual uh economic dependence and in a broader sense it will also create uh the economic
03:28benefits of the peace agenda for uh both of our countries for our broader region but we also what we
03:34understood that a peace is like a strategic commodity that we are delivering to the international
03:39community but in the meantime we cannot render ourselves to the comfort zone and we know where
03:44to uh institutionalize and solidify the peace on the ground and to maintain it and also uh to
03:50bring it to the future generations it requires a lot of hard work from both countries and also
03:55both societies but in the meantime what we see that in a full uh commitment from our countries to work
04:00on that dimension what is the realistic timeline for finalizing this peace deal the pistol uh in abu
04:06dhabi discussions uh this year in samma we had a open and broad discussion with an armenian side
04:12uh my president and armenian prime minister and also uh delegations that we're attending uh we discussed
04:17an important competence including the uh elements uh that uh still on our agenda outstanding issues i think
04:24that we are on the right track towards in a complete uh you know signing of the uh peace agreement but
04:31more than that what i would like to highlight that we have a real peace on the ground what is an
04:35experience of international community shows that on many post-conflict situations and conflict
04:39situations there are agreements and arrangements on the paper but there is no real peace on the ground
04:44but we have a real peace on the ground de facto peace on the ground we should solidify it
04:48and we should strengthen it and also bring it to the future generations armen how would you describe
04:53the political relationship and atmosphere between the two countries all the agreements that we had
04:59anywhere all of them are in public and uh the peace process uh that uh have been in a process for a
05:10long time i mean by letter we have been working towards the peace and actually we will continue working
05:17on that direction uh with azerbaijan first of all to sign the peace agreement and ratify it uh at the same
05:25time we consider unblocking very much important the big beautiful deal that we reached reached in washington
05:33and now we are trying to implement is very much important and part of that deal is uh trump root for
05:40international peace and prosperity the connectivity project that will bring uh economic benefit to
05:48the region we are working on that direction i hope we are now intensively discussing with americans uh the
05:56project implementation of the trip uh as soon as we finalize we will start uh implementation project i hope
06:04it will be very soon uh and uh after that uh the whole technical process will start uh and we will work
06:14on that direction to unblock the region to open the trip which is a very huge and very important
06:20historical project in our region so we continue to work on that direction uh armenia-azerbaijan peace
06:27agenda we are also not acting in a diplomatic limbo we are also looking at an international experience and
06:32international president and good friday agreement between the 1998 united kingdom and republic of
06:38ireland it also paved the way with the current status of the good relations between the two
06:44countries we are also making certain precedent from that and arrangements as well and looking forward for
06:49the resolution of one outstanding issue that's still matter of the concern of azerbaijan side i think
06:55that once it's resolved we will not have any longer any stumbling block on our agenda of the peace but
07:00nevertheless let me repeat it over the game that we have a real peace on the ground and currently
07:05working through the parameters of the strengthening of the peace with world powers competing for massive
07:12regional economic opportunities what are your strategies for each of your countries hikmet really
07:18our strategy is that not to make the region of the source caucuses as an arena of the competition
07:23or the confrontation our agenda is to make the region of the source caucuses as an arena of the
07:27cooperation and engagement and a partnership think about armenia azerbaijan peace agenda in the global
07:33context of the conflicts and wars at least one success story one chapter of the conflict is closed
07:38there is a real peace on the ground and we are also inviting all our international partners including
07:43the global powers they support our peace agenda on the ground whether it's in a connectivity projects
07:48whether it's in a normalization within the two countries and also new economic partnerships and as
07:54armenia and azerbaijan we are working on the fundamental concept of the economic benefit of the peace i think
08:00whether our international partners can also contribute to that look uh it's very much important that uh
08:06the the peace project is an inclusive process uh we don't try to exclude anyone in order to let them
08:14to fight it uh so this is very inclusive process uh in the context of the peace we have suggested the peace
08:21crossroad project which is about uh connectivity in the region and within that context by the way trip is
08:29part for for that project and uh in that context we are working to implement the project and see
08:36the regional uh partners engaging in that and seeing the unblocking of the region as an inclusive process
08:45that's very much important and uh i'm sure that will bring more stability in the region and we don't see
08:53uh our region as a competing place because uh competition in a good sense of that economic from economic
09:01perspective it's good but from other perspectives sometimes it can very firstly damage to the countries
09:09that are living in the region so historically speaking the region of the souls caucuses historically
09:15and unfortunately it was in a battle space of the big empires and big powers now uh it's not
09:21only related to the current state of the region but now azerbaijan at least from his side and i
09:25certainly see the same willingness from the armenian side as well to transform the region and to make
09:29it marketplace investment place for the cooperation of then everybody what guarantees can you give the
09:35people of your countries that this peace is going to last and their safety i think that uh uh our signature
09:42it matters a lot and it was in front of the international community in oval office my president
09:47and he declared azerbaijan's and over declared and azerbaijan's full commitment to the peace agenda
09:53for us wars and a conflict is over and sovereignty and territorial integrity was a must for azerbaijan it
09:58has been restored and therefore uh such a uh full commitment to the washington agenda uh that we have
10:05agreed as a demonstration of our important political will and it's also message to our society and also uh
10:11we have received this in a message from our society as well right after zana washington there was a huge
10:16jubilation jubilation and also a positive reverberation in azerbaijan society about zana peace and people
10:22also supporting that the political uh establishment both in yerevan in baku they have strong will for
10:30the peace uh that was demonstrated before washington but also uh reconfirming once more in washington
10:38showing that there is a political will uh we also see as my colleague hikmet mentioned uh both
10:45in the society in armenia and in azerbaijan there is uh support to the peace we are sure that
10:52implementation of the regional projects like uh trip and other ones will increase uh interdependency and
11:00and strengthen the peace and also uh economic benefits that both societies will have uh it will
11:08have an input in the long run to uh sustain the peace and strengthen the peace we are seeing that
11:14we are moving towards that direction and the proof of that is also that me and hikmet in doha forum also
11:22sitting in your uh studio yes sitting in your studio speaking about the uh economic benefits uh of the
11:33peace signals that uh we will have uh long-term well you have both discussed the importance of that trip
11:40to washington and there's a very famous handshake in front of president trump what was the atmosphere like
11:47in that room could you have heard a pin drop you know what what was the feeling it was really i can
11:53as far as i can remember it was really jubilee's atmosphere yeah and for the uh you know last 30
11:58years and both of our countries suffered from the conflict and the war and our peoples also now
12:02suffered and finally we put a final nail to the corner to the coffin of this conflict it's now over
12:08and it was also once again a demonstration of then a stronger political will and firm will
12:13and in this case we also highly appreciate the role of the president trump and american administration
12:18they also put in a political weight of the american government on their peace agenda in the same
12:23manner it also had a huge reverberation and spirit of the washington has a huge reverberation in
12:28azerbaijan society nevertheless there wasn't a time uh difference between the bakwa and washington
12:34this is a time but entire azerbaijan society uh was waiting for that and they were celebrating in
12:39social media in media in azerbaijan in a sense it's coincided uh it was in a public uh you know
12:45jubilation and also official uh full commitment of uh azerbaijanic government it was on a peace agenda
12:50think about one chapter of the conflict on the international stage is over amen was it the
12:55same for armenia it was a celebration day and uh you know it's a big beautiful deal because
13:02everyone benefited from that armenia benefited azerbaijan benefited united states benefited and
13:08international community i'm sure in the long run will benefit that's why it's a deal because all
13:14sides benefited and it was a celebration as sigmit mentioned the time change time difference between
13:22yerevan and washington is similar as in bako and people were staying late night in order to watch that
13:29and i would be very frank i have received so many messages uh in my whatsapp and other application
13:36people saying me thank you and celebrating that uh it was very much obvious also in social media as you
13:43can see that people are uh celebrate yes there are people who have been also skeptic yeah but the most
13:50important thing is that uh most of them most of the public have been celebrating and uh after that we are
13:59seeing that uh the continuation of the dialogue uh the continuation of the positive messages for
14:06example after the washington meeting both vice prime minister of armenia and azerbaijan visited both
14:14armenia to azerbaijan lately uh our vice prime minister gregorian visited to gabala region and had a meeting
14:22there so all of these are signals and public are are receiving it also positively and moving
14:29towards the peace and i'm sure in the long run people will also see the benefits that economic
14:35benefits of the peace we're here as we mentioned in doha and the qatari government have been very
14:41heavily involved in negotiations and mediations internationally you know how important and where do you
14:48see the future of that international involvement going in terms of you know the qataris the eu
14:57and the u.s well we appreciate all international efforts that uh contributes to the peace agenda
15:02but what was in the beauty of armenia azerbaijan agenda is that it wasn't a bilateral process there
15:08wasn't a complete belief in the two capitals that first baku and yerevan we need a peace and we need
15:14a peace for our future generations for our peoples and we started our active bilateral diplomatic
15:20engagement it also brought us to the washington discussions and some other agendas that we have
15:25again we can highly appreciate the role of the international community all our partners but
15:30armenia azerbaijan i'm sure that based on the confidence that we are trying to build and based
15:34on the mechanisms of the interaction we built will continue advanced on our bilateral peace building
15:40agenda we very much appreciate international community support but without that bilateral thing
15:46that was very strong and i'm sure that um abu dhabi leaders meeting uh paved way for the washington meeting
15:55and that was a very great success in that context and we very much appreciate also international
16:01communities uh engagement we are here in doha forum meeting with having panel and also sitting down in
16:10this studio speaking to the public and uh sending uh positive messages in overall uh that's also an
16:17effort coming from the qataris and they are very much helpful and we very much i'm sure i'm speaking
16:23on both of us that we very much appreciate that qataris gave this platform to us uh to speak also
16:31publicly and that's very much important it's been a real symbolism of hope what message do you think
16:37what you have achieved is giving to those around the world who are in war with at war with each other
16:44well it's always difficult to provide your own uh advice but we can provide our own uh example uh
16:52and here i think that both other countries we demonstrated leading by example yeah and there
16:57wasn't a really difficult and bloody war between the two countries and last 30 years two countries
17:02suffered from the deficit of the security and the deficit of the peace uh but with a
17:07political uh will and demonstration of the firm and stronger political will peace is achievable
17:12and as a result of the just peace has been ensured between armenia and azerbaijan now is enough time
17:18and also work of the two governments and two two peoples to make a long-lasting and irreversible
17:23peace on the agenda on the global agenda and also regional agenda therefore peace is doable peace is
17:28achievable and it also requires uh full commitment to the norms and principles of international law and
17:34providing legality and legitimacy between the countries yeah it's very difficult to find two
17:39conflicts that are uh totally similar but you can find always some similarities and one of the
17:46important thing was that uh strong will both in yerevan and baku was very much helpful in moving towards
17:53the peace uh the leadership in both countries have been intensively working even though a lot of
18:00difficulties you can imagine and in all conflicts it's very difficult to move forward because uh of the
18:07problem also of trust in all conflicts sides don't trust each other uh but we have been working towards
18:14this uh as in uh famous music it said another brick to the wall uh in positive sense of that quote uh we have
18:25been working towards that trying to build that uh wall of trust uh trying to work to move in that direction
18:33that was very much helpful bilaterally creating that trust and then also international community support
18:41if you could send one message to the people of your neighboring country what would that be
18:46to continue working on strengthening the peace between uh armenia and azerbaijan yes we went through the
18:57conflict we went through the pain uh both of us and uh we need to understand also that there is a chance of
19:07peace we have uh both to work on this direction uh institutionalize the peace and work on that direction
19:16and also uh see the benefits of the peace
19:21pigment what would you send as your message to your neighboring people in armenia
19:26from a for azerbaijan war and conflict is over currently azerbaijan works on the peace
19:32and we are uh sure and hopeful that there will be irreversible peace between the two countries
19:38and it will be eternal for the future generations of the both countries and still we have a certain
19:43balance uh we understand that and we are adamant of the fact but we should look into the future
19:48hikmat armen thank you so much for joining us on eurasia talks on euru news what a pleasure to see
19:52you both here today thank you so much thank you so much thanks for having us you're very welcome
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