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Negociadores de paz da Arménia e do Azerbaijão apresentam plano de paz e corredor apoiado pelos EUA
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Numa entrevista exclusiva à Euronews, os principais negociadores da Arménia e do Azerbaijão explicaram publicamente como um processo de paz outrora impensável evoluiu para uma estratégia partilhada de estabilidade e transformação económica.
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00:00Arminia e Azerbaijão surpreendeu o mundo com um histórico de guerra
00:06depois de décadas de guerra.
00:09Mas os secretos ingredientes para o que foi chamado
00:12impossível, nunca foi publicado.
00:14Mas agora, Euronews tem a oportunidade de se sentar com os dois
00:18dos dos primeiros para discutir isso mais.
00:20Em esta edição do Eurasia Talks,
00:23nós estamos juntando por Armin Gregorian,
00:25o secretário do Security Council da Armenia,
00:28e Hikmet Hadjeev, o assistant para o presidente de Azerbaijão.
00:35Alegre, thank you for joining us on this episode of Eurasia Talks.
00:39I wanted to begin by asking you,
00:41how did your first contact happen
00:44and what made it possible to unblock the standoff
00:48that we've been seeing? Hikmet.
00:50Thank you, Jane, for the opportunity to talk.
00:53And I remember our first good days when we come together
00:56and discussing our agenda of the peace.
00:58It was right after the 2020 military engagement.
01:01We in Brussels had a good chance to meet
01:03and with the support and facilitation of our EU friends.
01:07But since that time, up in the instruction of our leaders,
01:10we had one concrete agenda, how we can advance the peace,
01:13and also how we can put aside the disagreements
01:16that we had together.
01:17and Azerbaijan at that time,
01:19we over again demonstrated our good willingness
01:22and also initiative about a peace agenda.
01:25And with our Mayamanian colleagues,
01:27also through other channels as well,
01:29we were discussing advancement of the peace agenda together.
01:32Armin, obviously with those discussions, you know,
01:36what was it that your leadership and yourselves, you know,
01:39how did you come to the conclusion that peace was possible?
01:44Both in Yerevan and in Baku,
01:46I'm sure the leadership have been thinking
01:49how to bring peace and stability to the region.
01:52and my prime minister have been publicly very intensively talking
01:56how much our society needs peace.
02:00And we have been seeing that there is the same will in Baku.
02:05And we have been intensively working to that direction.
02:09And here, I think the first meeting was 21-22 between me and Tikmet.
02:16And now we are sitting here and discussing
02:19and discussing how to institutionalize the peace,
02:22how to move forward in that context.
02:25So the success is great.
02:27And we are also celebrating that.
02:29We're here at the Doha Forum.
02:31And obviously, I heard you talking earlier.
02:33And I think, Hikmet, you referred to each other as colleagues.
02:36That's a bold step forward and a real positive thing
02:39to use that terminology with each other in this journey together.
02:42Yeah, really, indeed.
02:44With an Armenian side and an Azerbaijan system of Washington,
02:48we are working on the concrete elements of the peace agenda
02:51that we have agreed in Washington.
02:53And Azerbaijan demonstrates this in a full commitment
02:56to the agenda that we have agreed.
02:58One of the important topics on our agenda is about the corridor.
03:01And again, we do hope that the corridor from Azerbaijan's side
03:05is considered in a Zenggazur corridor
03:07and also in a Trump corridor
03:09where we are working together for its implementation.
03:11We think that it will change completely the transport map
03:15of the Eurasian continent.
03:17And also in Armenia, Azerbaijan bring us together
03:19and working together.
03:21And we'll also contribute to building a mutual economic dependence.
03:24And in a broader sense,
03:26it will also create the economic benefits of the peace agenda
03:30for both of our countries, for our broader region.
03:33But we also what we understood that peace is like a strategic commodity
03:37that we are delivering to the international community.
03:40But in the meantime, we cannot render ourselves to the comfort zone.
03:43And we know where to institutionalize and solidify the peace on the ground
03:47and to maintain it and also to bring it to the future generations.
03:51It requires a lot of hard work from both countries and also both societies.
03:56But in the meantime, what we see is a full commitment from our countries
04:00to work on that dimension.
04:01What is the realistic timeline for finalizing this peace deal?
04:05The peace deal in Abu Dhabi discussions this year in Samma,
04:09we had an open and broad discussion with the Armenian side,
04:12my president and Armenian prime minister,
04:14and also delegations that we are attending.
04:17We discussed an important competence,
04:19including the elements that are still on our agenda,
04:23outstanding issues.
04:24I think that we are on the right track towards a complete signing of the peace agreement.
04:30But more than that, what I would like to highlight
04:33that we have a real peace on the ground.
04:35What is an experience of the international community shows
04:37that on many post-conflict situations and conflict situations,
04:40there are agreements and arrangements on the paper,
04:42but there is no real peace on the ground.
04:44But we have a real peace on the ground,
04:46de facto peace on the ground.
04:47We should solidify it and we should strengthen it
04:49and also bring it to the future generations.
04:51Arman, how would you describe the political relationship and atmosphere
04:55between the two countries?
04:57All the agreements that we had anywhere,
05:00all of them are in public.
05:02and the peace process that have been in a process for a long time.
05:11I mean, bilaterally, we have been working towards the peace.
05:14And actually, we will continue working on that direction with Azerbaijan.
05:20First of all, to sign the peace agreement and ratify it.
05:24At the same time, we consider unblocking very much important.
05:29The big, beautiful deal that we reached in Washington
05:33and now we are trying to implement is very much important.
05:37And part of that deal is Trump's route for international peace and prosperity,
05:43the connectivity project that will bring economic benefit to the region.
05:49We are working on that direction.
05:51I hope we are now intensively discussing with Americans
05:54the project implementation of the trip.
05:59As soon as we finalize, we will start implementation project.
06:04I hope it will be very soon.
06:06And after that, the whole technical process will start.
06:12And we will work on that direction to unblock the region,
06:17to open the trip,
06:18which is a very huge and very important historical project in our region.
06:23So we continue to work on that direction.
06:25The Armenian-Azerbaijan peace agenda,
06:27we are also not acting in a diplomatic limbo.
06:30We are also looking at the international experience
06:32and international precedent and Good Friday Agreement
06:35between the 1998 United Kingdom and Republic of Ireland.
06:39It also paved the way with the current status
06:42of the good relations between the two countries.
06:44We are also making certain precedent from that arrangements as well
06:48and looking forward for the resolution of one outstanding issue
06:51that's still a matter of the concern of the Azerbaijanis side.
06:54I think that once it's resolved,
06:56we will not have any longer any stumbling block on our agenda of the peace.
07:00But nevertheless, let me repeat it over again
07:02that we have a real peace on the ground
07:04and currently working through the parameters of the strengthening of the peace.
07:08With world powers competing for massive regional economic opportunities,
07:14what are your strategies for each of your countries, Hikmet?
07:18Well, our strategy is not to make the region of the Soros caucuses
07:21as an arena of the competition or the confrontation.
07:23Our agenda is to make the region of the Soros caucuses
07:26as an arena of the cooperation, an engagement and a partnership.
07:29Think about Armenia-Azerbaijan peace agenda
07:31in the global context of the conflicts and wars, at least one success story.
07:36One chapter of the conflict is closed.
07:38There is a real peace on the ground.
07:40And we are also inviting all our international partners,
07:42including the global powers, to support our peace agenda on the ground,
07:46whether it's in connectivity projects,
07:48whether it's in a normalization between the two countries,
07:50and also new economic partnerships.
07:53And as Armenia and Azerbaijan,
07:55we are working on the fundamental concept of the economic benefit of the peace.
07:59I think that our international partners can also contribute to that.
08:03Look, it's very much important that the peace project is an inclusive process.
08:10We don't try to exclude anyone in order to let them to fight it.
08:15So this is a very inclusive process.
08:18In the context of the peace, we have suggested the peace crossroad project,
08:22which is about connectivity in the region.
08:26And within that context, by the way,
08:28TRIP is part for that project.
08:31And in that context, we are working to implement the project
08:35and see the regional partners engaging in that
08:40and seeing the unblocking of the region as an inclusive process.
08:45That's very much important.
08:47And I'm sure that will bring more stability in the region.
08:51And we don't see our region as a competing place,
08:57because competition in a good sense of that economic,
09:01from economic perspective, it's good.
09:03But from other perspectives, sometimes it can very firstly damage
09:08to the countries that are living in the region.
09:11So...
09:12A little bit historically speaking,
09:13the region of the South Caucasus historically and unfortunately
09:15was in a battle space of the big empires and big powers.
09:19Now it's not only related to the current state of the region,
09:22but now Azerbaijan, at least from his side,
09:24and I certainly see the same willingness from the Armenian side as well
09:27to transform the region and to make it marketplace, investment place
09:31for the cooperation of everybody.
09:33What guarantees can you give the people of your country
09:36that this peace is going to last and their safety?
09:39I think that our signature, it matters a lot.
09:43And it was in front of the international community in Oval Office,
09:46my president, and he declared Azerbaijan's and over-declared
09:50and Azerbaijan's full commitment to the peace agenda.
09:52For us, war is in a conflict is over,
09:55and sovereignty and territorial integrity was a must for Azerbaijan.
09:58It has been restored.
09:59And therefore, such a full commitment to the Washington agenda
10:04that we have agreed as a demonstration of our important political will.
10:08And it's also a message to our society.
10:10And also, we have received this message from our society as well.
10:15Right after the Washington, there was a huge jubilation
10:18and also a positive reverberation in Azerbaijan's society about the peace.
10:22And people also supporting that.
10:24The political establishment, both in Yerevan and in Baku,
10:29they have strong will for the peace.
10:31That was demonstrated before Washington,
10:34but also reconfirming once more in Washington,
10:38showing that there is a political will.
10:40We also see, as my colleague Hikmet mentioned,
10:44both in the society in Armenia and in Azerbaijan,
10:48there is support to the peace.
10:50We are sure that implementation of the regional projects
10:54like TRIP and other ones will increase interdependency
11:00and strengthen the peace,
11:02and also economic benefits that both societies will have.
11:07It will have an input in the long run to sustain the peace
11:12and strengthen the peace.
11:13We are seeing that we are moving towards that direction.
11:16And the proof of that is also that me and Hikmet in Doha Forum,
11:21also sitting in your...
11:24Studio.
11:26Yes, sitting in your studio,
11:28speaking about the economic benefits of the peace signals
11:34that we will have long-term.
11:37Well, you have both discussed the importance of that trip to Washington,
11:41and there's a very famous handshake in front of President Trump.
11:45What was the atmosphere like in that room?
11:48Could you have heard a pin drop?
11:49You know, what was the feeling?
11:51As far as I can remember, it was really a jubileous atmosphere.
11:56And for the last 30 years,
11:58both of our countries suffered from the conflict and the war,
12:01and our peoples also suffered.
12:03And finally, we put a final nail to the coffin of this conflict.
12:07It's now over.
12:08And it was also, once again, a demonstration of a stronger political will
12:12and firm will.
12:13And in this case, we also highly appreciate the role of President Trump
12:16and the American administration.
12:18They also put a political weight of the American government
12:21on their peace agenda.
12:23In the same manner, it also had a huge reverberation,
12:26and the spirit of Washington has a huge reverberation
12:28in the Azerbaijanis society.
12:30Nevertheless, there was a time difference between the Baku
12:33and Washington.
12:34This is that time, but the entire Azerbaijanis society
12:37was waiting for that.
12:38And they were celebrating in the social media,
12:40in the media in Azerbaijan.
12:41In a sense, it coincided with the public jubilation,
12:45and also official full commitment of the Azerbaijanis government
12:50to the peace agenda.
12:51I think that one chapter of the conflict on the international stage
12:54is over.
12:55Amen, was it the same for Armenia?
12:56It was a celebration day.
12:58And, you know, it's a big, beautiful deal
13:02because everyone benefited from that.
13:04Armenia benefited, Azerbaijan benefited,
13:07United States benefited,
13:08and the international community, I'm sure,
13:10in the long run will benefit.
13:12That's why it's a deal,
13:14because all sides benefited, and it was a celebration.
13:17As Hikmet mentioned, the time difference between Yerevan
13:23and Washington is similar as in Baku.
13:26And people were staying late night in order to watch that.
13:29And I would be very frank, I have received so many messages
13:33in my WhatsApp and other applications,
13:36people saying to me thank you and celebrating that.
13:40It was very much obvious also in social media,
13:43as you can see that people are celebrating.
13:46Yes, there are people who have been also skeptic.
13:49Yeah.
13:50But the most important thing is that most of them,
13:55most of the public have been celebrating.
13:57And after that, we are seeing that the continuation of the dialogue,
14:03the continuation of the positive messages.
14:06For example, after the Washington meeting,
14:09both Vice Prime Minister of Armenia and Azerbaijan visited both Armenia
14:14to Azerbaijan.
14:15Lately, our Vice Prime Minister, Gregorian, visited to Gabala region
14:21and had a meeting there.
14:23So all of these are signals and public are receiving it also positively
14:28and moving towards the peace.
14:30And I'm sure in the long run, people will also see the benefits
14:34that economic benefits of the peace.
14:37We're here, as we mentioned in Doha,
14:39and the Qatari governments have been very heavily involved
14:42in negotiations and mediations internationally.
14:46You know, how important and where do you see the future
14:49of that international involvement going in terms of, you know,
14:54the Qataris, the EU and the US?
14:58Well, we appreciate all international efforts that contribute
15:01to the peace agenda.
15:02But what was the beauty of Armenia-Azerbaijan agenda
15:05is that it wasn't a bilateral process.
15:07There wasn't a complete belief in the two capitals
15:10that first, Baku and Yerevan, we need a peace.
15:13And we need a peace for our future generations, for our peoples.
15:17And we started our active bilateral diplomatic engagement.
15:20It also brought us to the Washington discussions
15:23and some other agendas that we have.
15:25Again, we highly appreciate the role of the international community,
15:28all of our partners.
15:30But Armenia-Azerbaijan, I'm sure that based on the confidence
15:33that we are trying to build and based on the mechanisms
15:35of the interaction we built, we'll continue to advance
15:38on our bilateral peace-building agenda.
15:40We very much appreciate international community support.
15:44But without that bilateral thing, that was very strong.
15:48And I'm sure that Abu Dhabi leaders meeting paved way for the Washington meeting.
15:55And that was a very great success in that context.
15:59And we very much appreciate also international community's engagement.
16:04We are here in Doha Forum meeting with, having panel and also sitting down in this studio,
16:11speaking to the public and sending positive messages.
16:15And overall, that's also an effort coming from the Qataris.
16:19And they are very much helpful.
16:21And we very much, I'm sure I'm speaking on both of us,
16:24that we very much appreciate that Qataris gave this platform to us
16:29to speak also publicly.
16:31And that's very much important.
16:33It's been a real symbolism of hope.
16:35What message do you think what you have achieved is giving to those around the world
16:40who are at war with each other?
16:44Well, it's always difficult to provide your own advice,
16:48but we can provide our own example.
16:51And here, I think that also in other countries, we demonstrated leading by example.
16:56And there was a really difficult and bloody war between the two countries.
17:00And last 30 years, two countries suffered from the deficit of the security
17:03and the deficit of the peace.
17:05But with a political will and demonstration of the firm,
17:09and stronger political will, peace is achievable.
17:12And as a result of the just peace has been ensured between Armenia and Azerbaijan.
17:17Now is enough time and also work of the two governments and two peoples
17:21to make a long-lasting and irreversible peace on the agenda,
17:24on the global agenda and also regional agenda.
17:27Therefore, peace is doable, peace is achievable.
17:29And it also requires full commitment to the norms and principles of international law
17:34and providing legality and legitimacy between the countries.
17:37Yeah, it's very difficult to find two conflicts that are totally similar,
17:43but you can find always some similarities.
17:45And one of the important thing was that strong will both in Yerevan and Baku
17:51was very much helpful in moving towards the peace.
17:54The leadership in both countries have been intensively working,
17:58even though a lot of difficulties, you can imagine.
18:02And in all conflicts, it's very difficult to move forward
18:05because of the problem also of trust.
18:09In all conflicts, sides don't trust each other.
18:12But we have been working towards this.
18:15As in famous music, it's said, another brick to the wall,
18:21in a positive sense of that quote, we have been working towards that,
18:27trying to build that wall of trust, trying to move in that direction.
18:33And it was very much helpful, bilaterally creating that trust.
18:37And then also international community support.
18:41If you could send one message to the people of your neighbouring country,
18:46what would that be?
18:47To continue working on strengthening the peace between Armenia and Azerbaijan.
18:54Yes, we went through the conflict.
18:57We went through the pain, both of us.
19:01And we need to understand also that there is a chance of peace.
19:07We have both to work on this direction,
19:12institutionalize the peace and work on that direction
19:16and also see the benefits of the peace.
19:21Hikmint, what would you send as your message to your neighbouring people in Armenia?
19:26From Afo, Azerbaijan war and conflict is over.
19:29Currently, Azerbaijan works on the peace.
19:32And we are sure and hopeful that there will be irreversible peace between the two countries
19:38and it will be eternal for the future generations of the both countries.
19:42And still, we have a certain balance.
19:44We understand that and we are at the end of the fact,
19:46but we should look into the future.
19:48Hikmint Arman, thank you so much for joining us on Eurasia Talks on EURO News.
19:52What a pleasure to see you both here today.
19:53Thank you so much.
19:54Thank you so much.
19:55Thanks for having us.
19:56You're very welcome.
19:59I'm full of applause.
20:06I enjoyed this video and if we could meet him with us,
20:09we will be able to enter
20:12hismakten.
20:14This is now in 1200K TV!
20:16You're not making a happy noise.
20:18Of course, there isn't either.
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