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00:00..
00:18Camecha police emergency how can I help.
00:20I just heard what I think is two gunshots.
00:25ARV's head straight to the address.
00:28a mile. Yep. Yep, they're on the floor, this lad. ARB's are literally about three, four
00:33minutes an hour. Let's look. Mel's shot in the head, bleeding out.
00:40All ARB's in the air, this is just a couple of hours, he's done.
00:4315. Get first aid.
00:4515. Get first aid, dude.
00:49Yep, hold it, bud.
00:50Yeah, yeah, yeah. Can you hear me? Can you hear me?
00:58Clear. Let them sort up first. Jesus Christ.
01:03Instant death. Let's just keep going.
01:07Whose house is this? Okay, who are you to him?
01:10Neither. My room? Right clear. Left clear.
01:14Can you do something?
01:16I'll be honest, there's no problem.
01:18There's no problem working. If injuries aren't compatible with life, mate, you need to make that assessment.
01:22Then that's fine.
01:24Are you happy with just two of you on the body, mate?
01:26Just two of you stay in, mate.
01:29Can you come out? It's outward face in case you're coming back, alright?
01:39Loaded.
01:41No, absolutely hopeless.
01:43There's nothing that can be done here.
01:44We've got a white Peugeot, it's all we've got so far.
01:49It was, I think it was 207, 307.
01:52Yep.
01:54AK14.
01:54Yep.
01:55Or AK14.
01:58Oh, let's see. Can I pass the update at this stage, please?
02:02Go ahead.
02:03From neighbours, victim's name, Josh.
02:05In relation to the subject vehicle, it's either Alpha X-Ray 1-4 or Alpha Kilo 1-4, white Peugeot.
02:13Yeah, that's all we see, mate. Thank you, mate.
02:19Police emergency, how can I help?
02:21My husband's come home.
02:22Outside on the gravel are two shotgun pellets and we can't find our neighbour.
02:25They're all about six months away.
02:29Stand by, I've got a linked incident coming through.
02:32You're in her.
02:34Hi, you're dead.
02:36You're dead.
02:37We've got a local unit there. I've got a linked incident coming in now.
02:40Four six four.
02:42Got another address.
02:43We've got a row stuck and we've got a row stuck in.
02:46We've got a row stuck in. We've got a row stuck in.
02:48That's copied to ALV-1.
02:49Immediate to that location, please.
02:51We're coming in as well.
02:52What is going on?
03:00It's crucial that we find the truth.
03:05Hands on your back!
03:07Got to question everything, believe nobody.
03:11It's almost a game of chess, trying to slip up.
03:15This is your opportunity to talk to me.
03:22I think we're fairly unprecedented up here.
03:27We're getting multiple addresses with shots fired.
03:30Can I get support, please?
03:31Just up to the north, an area of Cambridge here, please.
03:36317, just arrived at the first address.
03:40We start seeing preservation.
03:42Starge right.
03:44Victim's right in the hallway.
03:45Injury's not compatible with life.
03:47Just give us an air, but we'll head off.
03:48The victim at the first address in Bluntisham
03:52is believed to be 32-year-old Joshua Dunmore.
03:56I've got family and friends turning up.
03:58Check it out, it's been.
04:00I've just had a phone call off someone saying
04:02that they've heard that something's gone on with Josh,
04:05so I'm his best friend, obviously, so I've come straight here.
04:07OK.
04:09What are you going for?
04:10Hello, mate.
04:11OK.
04:13I can't allow you in at the moment.
04:14Is it? Is it Josh?
04:15Double in.
04:16Has his dad been caught?
04:17Is he in the ambulance?
04:19No.
04:21Can you just tell me, please?
04:24The person's deceased within that address.
04:28This is Darren.
04:30Josh, he's the brother.
04:32This is what?
04:35Can I tell him?
04:36Of course you can.
04:39Stay.
04:39Just stay calm, mate.
04:44Just stay calm.
04:45I'm going to tell his dad now, OK?
04:47I've got to ring the brother.
04:48I'm really sorry.
04:48It's all right.
04:49If you can stand here with me.
04:50This is soon.
04:50I'm going to call him a man.
04:51I'm here.
04:52I'm a gun.
04:56I'm a man.
04:58I'm still here.
04:58That's it.
05:00Apparently there is a deceased now at the address.
05:04The victim at the moment is unidentified.
05:08We believe in the suspect in the possession of a shotgun.
05:12Immediate kind of actions for you guys to confirm we've got no other injured party.
05:17No one else around that address presenting any imminent threat for life.
05:21Did you get anything from the vehicle?
05:23Hello mate, can you hear me?
05:25Hello, can you hear me?
05:26Not compatible.
05:27We're here to support.
05:28Say not compatible again.
05:29Yeah, not compatible.
05:30We're here to support if you need to.
05:31Do it on your own if you can, yeah?
05:32I'll hold downstairs.
05:34Don't you work upstairs.
05:37I have E3.
05:39Two shotgun shells here.
05:42Two shotgun shells at the location.
05:45Vehicle not here.
05:46A of E1 doing an emergency search in the property.
05:49Oh, police!
05:50Anyone in the building?
05:52Okay, did you take right?
05:54Yeah.
05:55Okay, open door left, stat.
05:57You alright?
05:59Room's clear.
06:01What we're hearing is injuries not compatible with life.
06:04Second deceased male.
06:06My room.
06:07Room clear.
06:08Room clear.
06:09Yeah, room clear.
06:10Happy house clear.
06:11Happy.
06:12Yeah.
06:13Subject vehicle, left location approximately 1-5, 15 minutes ago.
06:18It's a bit surreal isn't it?
06:21Two minutes ago I was watching that.
06:23I'd advise not contacting them at all.
06:24I'm just trying to get hold of me brother, okay?
06:25I understand that, but...
06:26It's his son.
06:27Okay.
06:28Us victims look like they are family.
06:31Yeah, I do understand it.
06:32The father and his son have both been murdered.
06:33Yeah, I do understand it.
06:34The father and his son have both been murdered.
06:38I'm gonna need to keep you here, okay?
06:39Yeah, okay.
06:40Let's go.
06:41Um...
06:42I know this is a big shock and I know it's a lot to take in.
06:44But I'm gonna need to keep you here, okay?
06:45Yeah, okay.
06:46Let's go.
06:47Um...
06:48I know this is a big shock and I know it's a lot to take in.
06:49There's someone at Gary's address.
06:50Is it my brother?
06:51Sorry?
06:52I'm going to need to keep you here, okay?
07:06I know this is a big shock and I know it's a lot to take in.
07:11There's someone at Gary's address.
07:13Is it my brother?
07:14Sorry.
07:16The police are at Gary's.
07:17The police are at Gary's address.
07:19Yes, is it Gary there?
07:20Yes.
07:22Is he okay?
07:23Yes.
07:24I'm on God.
07:25Is he?
07:25Yes.
07:26No, I don't know him.
07:28I'm really sorry.
07:29I'm on God.
07:30I can't lie to you.
07:33Fucking hell.
07:35He's definitely dead.
07:36Yes.
07:37I'm so sorry.
07:39I need to...
07:39It's my brother.
07:40I know.
07:44I'm...
07:51I put a full message across North and South.
07:55No units to go home.
07:58MCU will be aware of this.
08:00Yes, yes.
08:01Send everyone's headquarters, please.
08:03And we'll break in there.
08:04This one is really savage, savage.
08:19Scenes then, let's just bottom off the witnesses and the segments we were going to try and get.
08:26So, scene one, which is Joshua's house.
08:31There's a few people that are saying they heard the bangs.
08:36Everybody's saying two shots within about four seconds of each other.
08:39Joe, he's saying he heard noises outside, saw the gunman at 19 with a gun, and then he found the body.
08:49So, it's a secret to be done.
08:52Scene two, which is Gary's house.
08:57Joe, he knows a bit of the background and saw a white Peugeot driving away.
09:03Apparently, there was a domestic-related court case, and there's been disgruntled arguments around that.
09:15So, we make some inquiries, and then we can... we can progress that.
09:19If you know who he's on dispute with, you need to tell me.
09:22I don't know his name.
09:23I find out he's American.
09:25American forces.
09:26He's married.
09:26Is that...
09:27Josh's ex?
09:28OK, there is a dispute.
09:30Yeah.
09:30Josh won the case.
09:31Yeah.
09:32They weren't happy.
09:34Chloe, Romeo, 317.
09:37I'm being told from seeing that there was a court case which the ex-partner lost,
09:41and the male at Buridan first won the court case.
09:43They're saying that the new partner lost it in court, and they think it's connected.
09:49The male's got short, dark hair, and I've been given a name of Paul Stevens.
09:55Possible suspect, which is our Paul Stevens, which is an American serviceman.
10:00I'm trying to establish more around him.
10:02Whether he's on the base, whether he has the firearms, whether he has any specialist firearms training.
10:13It's a bit concerning he's reloaded that before he's left.
10:17Surely can't be going to do another one.
10:18How's he going to end this, bro?
10:22Where's this going to end?
10:23Can you ask the family?
10:25You just know the two people.
10:26Yeah.
10:26What do you do now?
10:27The area that we need to be aware of.
10:29I've got my own ideas.
10:30I've got my own ideas.
10:30What do you do?
10:32I'm thinking that the car's going to be burnt out in the next 10 minutes.
10:36No, I disagree.
10:37Yeah, yeah.
10:39I think you know what I think.
10:40Yeah, I know.
10:41I'm just trying to think where do you go from here.
10:43Just to make your way, mate, I've got another one coming in.
10:48Four, seven, nine.
10:49Shots fired.
10:50Something's happening.
10:53He's going around on a vendetta.
10:58Luncheon.
10:59Press is close.
11:00Luncheon.
11:02Guys, I've got some information.
11:05I need to get you out of here now.
11:06Is he coming back here?
11:07I need to get you out of here now.
11:08I want you all in your cars, and I want you all to the police station now.
11:12Right, just get in your cars.
11:14Get in your cars, please, and go to the police station now.
11:18Get in any car.
11:19Don't mind which car.
11:20Just get in cars and go.
11:23Just get in the car and go.
11:36We have now got engine mass lifted.
11:41We're 23 minutes out.
11:42Father and son, Gary and Joshua Dunmore, have been shot dead in their homes in Cambridgeshire.
11:51Well, we've established the fact that nobody's got to use for things.
11:55First of all, we've got to call this sub-and-air.
11:56We've been coming up to support us.
11:59Search your foot in here.
12:00Yeah.
12:00You come from this end.
12:01I'm going to go to the other entrance.
12:02Okay, mate.
12:03I'll let you know when we're in.
12:04Yeah.
12:07With more shots reported, all units are deployed to track down the gunman on the run.
12:13We've got the helicopter overhead now.
12:17We're just going to make them hear me.
12:19Yes, yes, go ahead.
12:21We need to do a very good sweep and check that there is nobody in any obvious location in
12:26the round the screen there in the western.
12:29I don't like this.
12:30No, I didn't go all right.
12:31Don't like it one bit.
12:34As armed officers continue the manhunt.
12:37Hello there, it's the police.
12:39The victim's family must be placed in protective custody for their own safety.
12:43We have information to suggest there's an immediate risk of harm to you and we need
12:46to get you to a place of safety.
12:49We're in the park area of Mill Lane.
12:55Just clear this little bit here.
12:57Just want to get behind these trees.
13:01We're in pass this line 4.
13:14We're in pass this line 4, go ahead.
13:175-4, the recreation ground off Mill Lane is negative.
13:20There's no one.
13:22Three, there's a park with the surrounding roads and tracks.
13:30Tell me, Romeo, 153.
13:32153, go ahead.
13:34Are you at the police station with all of the family members so far?
13:39Have a seat in here.
13:42I'm not sure how much has been passed to you,
13:44and how much you're aware of.
13:46About my brother and my dad, inshallah.
13:50OK.
13:52In their own homes.
13:56I was like, Andrew, you probably don't know us.
13:59Have they found anybody? Yeah, have they found him?
14:03Don't talk. I'll stop being on this island.
14:09We're going to have to go then stuff, mate.
14:12Right?
14:13I don't know how to.
14:15I grew up being friends with Josh.
14:17It was very, very nice from there.
14:21Both were.
14:23I speak to my dad, brother.
14:24Yeah.
14:25Every day.
14:26Still in shock, so...
14:27Yeah.
14:28You know, um...
14:29Yeah.
14:30I think he'd be very old if you weren't.
14:32You can hear me now.
14:33You know, my mum.
14:34My mum.
14:35My mum.
14:40My poor, poor boy.
14:45You could do such a thing.
14:47With the family safely secured at Huntingdon Police Station, officers continue the manhunt led by Cambridgeshire Police's Oscar One.
15:00Cam's Oscar One.
15:01I've got a job going on now.
15:03Someone's potentially in possession of a lethal weapon.
15:06I've got inquiries going on with this Paul Stevens and trying to establish further details of the car.
15:13Stand by.
15:14Getting possible to index the suspect vehicle.
15:18It's showing as a Mr. Steve Alderton.
15:24Is this suspect not called Paul Stevens?
15:28So, Samantha Alderton, which is now Stevens, is the ex-partner of Joshua Dunmore.
15:36So, I think that Steven Alderton is probably her dad and Paul Stevens is her new partner.
15:42He's not now.
15:43Has dad got a firearms certificate?
15:45I've got to make an intel.
15:46Yeah.
15:48My basic sort of theory would be that Paul Alp doing his murders in conjunction with Steven or Paul Longstone.
16:02As of 2341, Paul Stevens' phone, the phone, is just pinging in the Holiday Inn.
16:08Confirmed there is a room booked for Paul Stevens at the Holiday Inn.
16:14And there's two victims registered there as well.
16:18If he's there, I would lift him for conspiracy to murder.
16:25Occupants believe to be in room 319.
16:29Mr. Paul Stevens, who is an American serviceman.
16:32That's amazing, Mitch.
16:33Possibly he's in possession of a firearm.
16:35All right, positions and settle. Just settle, OK?
16:40Are we looking at arresting both Paul Stevens and wife Samantha Stevens for conspiracy to commit murder?
16:46Yeah, that's all ratified.
16:48Please.
16:50Containment's in place on room 319.
16:53When us one's happy, we'll begin the call-out.
16:56He's happy for you to move forward.
16:59That's what we...
17:00Are we happy? Let's be robust with Paul.
17:03Yeah.
17:06Police! Occupants of 319, come to the door with nothing in your hands.
17:11Paul, it's armed police.
17:13Open the door with nothing in your hands.
17:17Listen to my instructions.
17:19Slowly.
17:20Hands.
17:21Slowly, Paul.
17:22Walk out towards me.
17:24Keep walking. Turn to face them.
17:26Listen to their instructions.
17:27Put your hands against the wall.
17:29Hands against the wall.
17:30Hands against the wall.
17:31Don't move.
17:32бег out.
17:34All right.
17:36I'll just close there.
17:37Confirm that's not being located at the address.
17:39I can't completely squeeze the car park, but you can't find it here at the hotel.
17:42Let me see if we can't find it here at the hotel.
17:47Just confirmed we've got contact with Paul and Samantha.
17:55With the offender's vehicle still not located,
17:58officers take a statement from Joshua Dunmore's neighbour,
18:01who phoned in the first murder.
18:03As I come out my front door,
18:05I see a guy coming out of my neighbour's house.
18:08I turn round and say to him,
18:10what the fuck are you doing?
18:12He then turned round and pointed a shotgun at me
18:16and told me that he was loaded.
18:21What I need to say to you is really important.
18:23Two persons have been murdered this evening.
18:25I'm arresting both of you.
18:27And we need to arrange childcare,
18:29civil childcare for the children.
18:31Samantha, what we'll do,
18:32yourself and the children
18:33are just going to go and wait back in the room.
18:36Is that your switch in the hotel room?
18:39Yes.
18:40Do you want to come and show me what games you've got?
18:42Come on, Samantha, we'll.
18:44Okay, kids coming up.
18:45Hello, mate. Go on then.
18:48What games you got?
18:49Here.
18:50Oh.
18:52This is the big switch, isn't it?
18:56We can also do piano.
18:59Okay, can you play piano?
19:01You can play piano.
19:02It's very good, mate.
19:03Are you all right?
19:04Are you guys CID?
19:05Yeah.
19:06Yeah.
19:07So we've got him upstairs now.
19:08Paul, they've both been lifted.
19:09They're both devastated, crying their hearts out,
19:10but you would do, wouldn't you?
19:11Samantha, if you've done nothing wrong,
19:12you've got nothing to worry about.
19:13The last thing we ever do is take children away from their parents.
19:14But police stations aren't a nice place to go.
19:15And in the long run, you will appreciate a childcare solution.
19:20We need somebody that you would trust in the very short term.
19:38Is there anyone you can think of at all.
19:43Ivy Three.
19:44Go ahead, Ivy Three.
19:47In the interim,
19:48happy that the children are going to Dad's cousins in Bristol.
20:08How are you, mate? You all right?
20:12That's a pistol type, isn't it?
20:14Yeah.
20:19The guy was agitated, but he wasn't out of control.
20:24And at that point, I realised, you can show me.
20:29He was 5'8", 5'10", medium build.
20:36He was about my age, maybe a little bit older.
20:39I've just spoken to the next door neighbours of First Victim's Address, and they said that they've seen an older male looking through the victim's letterbox just before this incident happened.
20:53I've just spoken to the next door neighbours of First Victim's Address, and they said that they've seen an older male looking through the victim's letterbox just before this incident happened.
21:05In relation to this outstanding closure, where did that last hit a camera?
21:14Last hit confirmed that it's out.
21:16For now, the second address is Sutton.
21:19Not at the moment at the moment, the next door opens.
21:22Yeah, I'm done.
21:23You're on the index for you swimming space.
21:25They're all white, to the right parts up, on the center.
21:28Heavy blood staining round the driver's console area.
21:33And in the boot there were two spent cartridges.
21:36spent cartridges all right it's been saying a lot hey a few weeks now
21:54this is only his car
21:55the tourist park they confirm that stephen alderton arrived with a mobile home and a small white car
22:13he lived there alone and it was on a rolling month basis this evening they see a white car
22:20come on to site and they see alderton's mobile home leaving site
22:35whilst officers try to locate stephen alderton in his motor home
22:42his son-in-law and daughter are taken into custody
22:51so it's alleged that the suspect has been involved in a murder of two miles
23:05we believe we've got the vehicle for stephen alderton hitting cameras on the m6 northbound
23:11yeah fiat swift in white we're thinking that he is in that vehicle traveling that county
23:22units are currently on route to attempts for stopping on this car
23:28did you think i'm going four one uh we just passed three five over five
23:31okay we're at three two ones now traffic are talking in for the sting stand by
24:02i four push through
24:07sting is good sting is good good sting let's go good sting good sting
24:12okay
24:20big or hurry big or slow in big or slow in big or slow in
24:23down boy down boy stop stop stop
24:26the police have tracked the suspect of the double murder more than 100 miles from the crime scenes
24:50JUST GET OUT OF THE COURT, GET OUT OF THE CAR!
24:54YOU GET OUT OF THE F***ING F***ING CALL NOW!
24:57JUST GET OUT OF THE CAR!
24:58HARD!
24:59HAND!
25:00HAND!
25:01HAND!
25:02Keep your hands around yourself
25:03GET OUT OF THE CAR!
25:04GET OUT OF THE VEHICLE NOW!
25:06WALKDOWS ME!
25:08WALKDOWS ME
25:09KEEP WALKING AWARDS ME
25:11KEEP WALKING AWARDS ME
25:13KEEP WALKING AWARDS ME
25:15GET tuned ON THE GROAD
25:17GETTING ON THE GROAD
25:18Put your hands out now! Hands out! Put your hands on your back!
25:22Unsecure! OK mate, thank you!
25:25OK, let's get the vehicle cleared!
25:27What's your name?
25:29Steve Alderman!
25:31Steve Alderman!
25:33Is there anybody else in that vehicle?
25:36OK, let's get the vehicle cleared!
25:39Here for support if you need.
25:42You got any weapons in the vehicle at all? Yes.
25:44What have you got? I've got a shotgun.
25:46Shotgun is in the vehicle, fellas!
25:48Yeah, to be honest, he's been here.
25:50Searching me up here. Shotgun!
25:52Shotgun found!
25:54Sit down here.
25:57Oh, it's a case isn't here.
26:00It's not, is it?
26:02I think you're doomed on the top.
26:06At this moment it's time.
26:08You're under arrest on suspicion of murder.
26:10Do you understand, mate?
26:14It is an American.
26:15Don't get us.
26:16Don't show this bit, I'm teeny.
26:26With all three suspects detained,
26:28officers speak to the victim's family and friends
26:31to better understand the family dynamics
26:34in the run-up to the murders.
26:36So part of what I've been talking to you is just
26:38for us to try and sort of gather a bit of a picture.
26:41I'm sure I understand in a court case
26:43with where that was at.
26:45A court case?
26:47Well, my brother started it three to four years ago.
26:50Oh wow, it's a long time.
26:52It's a long time.
26:53Josh obviously has a son.
26:55With?
26:56Sam.
26:57They split up.
26:58Sam remarried an American Air Force airman, Paul.
27:06She met Paul on the base.
27:08They got together and had a baby.
27:12So she has a daughter with Paul and a son with Josh.
27:18Paul is posted back to the States.
27:21She was going to move to America with Paul.
27:25And so basically there's a court case going on
27:28to try and prevent her from taking the son to America.
27:37Just follow around to that officer there for us, please.
27:42Media 1.
27:43Steven Alderton is brought to Worcester Police Station.
27:46Good morning.
27:47Morning.
27:48What's your name, sir?
27:49Steven Alderton.
27:50With a V or P-H?
27:53PH.
27:54Do you suffer with any mental health issues like anxiety,
27:57depression?
27:59I don't think so.
28:01I mean, I would probably say there's a sort of degree of stress,
28:06anxiety and...
28:08How are you feeling at the moment in yourself?
28:11Well, I mean, it's not exactly the best day.
28:15No.
28:16No.
28:17You know, and...
28:18So how are you feeling?
28:19How are you...?
28:20Oh, I mean, I'm not going to do anything.
28:21I'm not going to try and, you know, pop myself or anything else like that.
28:24So the circumstances, please?
28:26The gentleman has been identified as being wanted and suspicion of murder.
28:31Is it domestic related?
28:33Sort of.
28:34Sort of.
28:36It's not.
28:37It's not.
28:38It's not.
28:39It's not.
28:40It's not.
28:41It's not.
28:42It's not.
28:43It's not.
28:44It's not.
28:49Steven Alderton will be held until the morning, when he will be taken to Cambridgeshire,
28:55where all three suspects will be questioned on the murders.
29:10Shocking news this morning.
29:11A murder investigation is underway after two shootings in Cambridgeshire villages last night.
29:17A 57-year-old man was shot dead in Sutton, and a 32-year-old man in Blundersham.
29:22Police were called to this quiet close where I am at the moment in the small village of Blundersham
29:27in Cambridgeshire.
29:29You've got the blood which is on the floor there, so I'm just going to record that and swab it.
29:35Not even an hour later, police were called to be done.
29:39He was there, let over in towards the radiator.
29:44The shots were the first thing.
29:45Yes.
29:46Which I'm assuming is from the first shot.
29:48Yes, that is the first shot.
29:49And I think that he potentially maybe grabbed the barrel as it came through the door.
29:54It just feels a bit weird that it was like that.
29:57Number two went in his body.
29:59Yes.
30:00Three and four while he's on the floor.
30:01We collected the shot pellets from the wall and the staircase, as many as we could.
30:07The tiny, tiny little pellets, the tiniest ones I've ever seen.
30:16Do we know, I mean, did Alderton regularly attend a gun club or anything,
30:21the shooting range or anything like that? Do we know?
30:24I think he was kind of doing like clay pigeon shooting.
30:27Yeah.
30:28But it wasn't like a regular hobby.
30:31Pretty sure these cartridges as well were kind of clay pigeon shooting cartridges.
30:36Right, okay.
30:37Yeah, we have his gun licensing on the GP records.
30:40Yeah.
30:41And when you get your license refreshed, you have to get a note signed by a GP saying,
30:45you have to say you've got no mental health illnesses and stuff like that.
30:47Yeah.
30:48There's a doctor's report in that bundle.
30:49Yeah, exactly.
30:50A full GP report.
30:52August 2022, no acute stress reactions, no suicidal thoughts, self harm, no depression,
30:58but no psychosis, no personality disorder.
31:09The officer in the case, Detective Constable Claire Atkinson, reviews body-worn footage of Stephen
31:16Alderton, following his arrest.
31:17And I'm living in the trap and it's like, you know, it's like, I come from a world where,
31:22yeah, most faculty, you do, what you want.
31:26You feel like the family.
31:27Yeah.
31:28Yeah.
31:29It actually makes me angry to watch it.
31:32It is so blase.
31:35It was before that.
31:39It is dying on the street.
31:44It's really supposed to say, you know, the years ahead, it's going to just be.
31:50Deep, bitter, trashy stuff.
31:53It's just, you know what I mean?
31:57It's horrible.
31:58It's horrible to watch.
31:59Just thinking that someone can be like that straight after this.
32:02It's like, horrific.
32:03Twice.
32:16While Stephen Alderton is processed through custody, detectives prepare to interview his daughter,
32:21Samantha, and her husband, Paul.
32:23So where do you want that?
32:24So that needs to be first, isn't it?
32:26Yeah.
32:27An end of her understanding of conspiracy?
32:29Yes.
32:30So that's all covered?
32:31Yeah, that's all covered.
32:32I'm going to just cover, as well, any correspondence with Dad.
32:35On Monday the 27th of March was court day, wasn't it?
32:41Yeah.
32:42This week, Josh, and my dad, and my mum, they've all been to court.
32:46And they've had a good court session where my brother's son, he's got to stay.
32:54Sam and Paul, sort of lost their battle, I suppose.
32:57Yeah.
32:58And they were both extremely annoyed about their outcome from that court.
33:03So this interview is being recorded, and it may be used in evidence if your case is brought
33:19to trial.
33:20Today, Paul, you've been arrested for an offence of conspiracy to murder.
33:27A conspiracy is where two or more people discuss an offence that's going to take place.
33:33Sam and Paul, you are being interviewed in relation to conspiracy to murder.
33:38On Monday the 27th of March 2023, you attended a family court hearing custody of your son,
33:46who you shared with Joshua Dunmore.
33:48Then, on Wednesday the 29th of March 2023, Joshua Dunmore was shot and murdered at his
33:53home address.
33:54So you're saying to me, the first time you were aware that something had happened was
34:04when the police came to the Holiday Inn this morning, and you're saying you are not implicated
34:09that in any way.
34:13I don't understand if this is correct.
34:15Yours and Sam's plan is to start a life in America.
34:18And obviously, the problem you've got is being co-parents, being Josh, and they don't
34:23want him to go to America by the sound of it.
34:27We've disclosed to your solicitor that Steve has also been arrested, and that at the time
34:31of his arrest, there was a shotgun in his car.
34:35The clear implication in our minds is that Steve has committed this offence.
34:42I think what we're asking is, can you understand why he would go and do this?
34:53I don't know.
34:54Hello.
34:55You all right?
34:56To me, please.
34:57Hello, sir.
34:58Over to me, please.
34:59Over here, yeah.
35:00It's a bit confusing with all these screens, isn't it?
35:01Yeah, no, no, no.
35:02It's fine.
35:03On to...
35:04Have you got an interview update?
35:05OK, so we have an interview with Paul.
35:06He's very upset about what's happened.
35:07He was in tears in the interview, and he said that everything was OK in relation to the
35:12situation with Joshua.
35:13There's been various court hearings over a period of time.
35:16The one that occurred this Monday, basically, they're saying that no decision was made.
35:23In relation to Stephen, he'd come to the hotel that evening with them after court, and was
35:41being very helpful, very logical about it, was putting forward ideas about how they could
35:46solve the situation.
35:48There was no inkling, as far as Paul was concerned, as to what was happening in the
35:53course, obviously, last night.
35:56Samantha's account is very similar.
36:00She's obviously very upset about what's happened.
36:02She said that she'd spoken to Stephen about it on the Monday after the hearing, and they,
36:08although he was disappointed with it, he seemed pretty OK.
36:13Stephen, do you want anyone told that you're here at the police station?
36:17Well, I probably need to notify my doctor.
36:23She said originally she didn't have a great deal to do with her dad, but their relationship
36:28only kind of really formed after her mum died in December of 2019.
36:33He meets her every single morning at the hotel.
36:39So, she said he gets up early, always has done, and he meets them there.
36:44OK, Stephen, do you mind just giving me a signature on the pad there, just between the
36:49white lines?
36:50Just make sure you're in between the white lines, so it hasn't quite registered.
36:53Just in between the white lines, Stephen, I think it might have just been a bit underneath.
36:56Oh, there?
36:57Yeah, so actually in between the white lines.
36:59Oh, in there, yeah.
37:00OK, there you go.
37:01There we go.
37:03On the day, the 29th, they spent most of the day where Paul works and then got a call
37:14from Stephen.
37:15Stephen was due to pick up the child from school, but Stephen said that he couldn't do
37:23it for whatever reason.
37:24He said he was busy.
37:26The last one they saw Stephen, they were at McDonald's Wednesday afternoon, and he dropped
37:35off a buggy for them.
37:37She said that she had no contact with her dad that evening, so that's their last contact
37:42they have with him, and that's about 2.45 in the afternoon.
37:47And she says he kind of sort of races away.
37:54She's really shocked.
37:55I mean, as far as she's concerned, they've put things in place, whatever the eventuality
37:59was going to be, whether they got custody, whether they didn't get custody.
38:04She's got no reason to lie, I don't think.
38:08Do you want some socks?
38:11Oh, yeah.
38:12I've got socks.
38:13Yeah, thank you.
38:14Did they not give you any socks in West Matthew?
38:16No, no, just give a shit.
38:17No, we'll give you some socks.
38:18There's no problem.
38:19They're nice engaged here.
38:21Yeah, well, actually, I mean, I mean, having never been to a police station, I thought
38:25they actually do.
38:26They're quite nice.
38:27There you go, mate.
38:28So I'm Alan Chow with CBS.
38:33They're engaged.
38:34So, obviously, we've got an interview of Stephen tonight.
38:39Yeah.
38:40And I hope you were about to count.
38:42Maybe, obviously, if he does talk and interview, it may be a case of actually with no CPS.
38:48I might see him.
38:49Come and take a seat here for me.
38:50You want to take a seat in the corner there.
38:51I'm going to make the presumption you've not been in a police station or interviewed by the
39:02police before.
39:03No.
39:04You know, that's what I thought.
39:05I've not sat across the table from somebody who's just shot two people in the head before.
39:16A retired professional who's never been in trouble with the police.
39:21That's not who you expect to sit across from when you're asking them about executing two
39:25people on their doorsteps.
39:27Do you understand what offence you've been arrested for today?
39:35Erm...
39:36Can I stop you there?
39:37I'll remind you of your right to silence.
39:39Oh, no comment.
39:40So, you understand you've been arrested for an offence of murder.
39:46OK?
39:47Are you saying no comment because you are responsible for the murder and you have no explanation to
39:55give?
39:56No comment.
39:57Are there any questions that I could ask that you would answer at the moment?
40:04Oh, I don't know what questions you would be asking.
40:07I could only respond to that based on the question that you put to me.
40:12Tell me about your relationship with Samantha.
40:15Er, no comment.
40:17Is she your daughter?
40:19No comment.
40:20Are these murders related to Samantha and Paul?
40:25No comment.
40:26No comment.
40:27The thought process is this has started from the family court hearing.
40:36Is this what's led to Joshua and Gary being shot?
40:41Is that accurate?
40:42Er, no comment.
40:44Is this a plan to clear the way so that Samantha can move really to America?
40:52No comment.
40:53No comment.
40:54The grandchildren, they've been taken into what we call protective custody.
41:01And that's mainly because there's nobody to look after them.
41:05Yes, all I would say to respond to that is, you know...
41:12You don't need to account for that.
41:14No comment.
41:15Not only are you here on suspicion of committing two violent murders, but your daughter and your
41:35son-in-law are also in custody under investigation for conspiring because we don't know what's
41:46going on.
41:47If your daughter and son-in-law have nothing to do with it, we don't want to keep them here
41:53any longer than is necessary.
41:58So I can only plead to you to talk to us.
42:04Yeah, I mean...
42:07My only concern is what you've said there is...
42:10I'll stop you there.
42:11They have had their own interviews to give their own accounts.
42:16Now, Stephen, I appreciate that you've been given legal advice not to answer any of our
42:22questions, but it is just that.
42:24It's advice.
42:25And it is for you to choose whether to take it or not.
42:29Ultimately, this is your opportunity to explain what happened and why.
42:35Yeah, um...
42:38No comment.
42:40Yeah.
42:41Okay.
42:42Okay.
42:43All right.
42:44In that case, I propose that we look at concluding the interview.
42:49Okay?
42:50So the time by my watch is now 29 minutes past midnight, and I'm concluding the interview.
43:01Right, he's not going to talk.
43:03He's been given his legal advice.
43:05I'm not going to push it.
43:07Let him think that that is the end and that was his opportunity to talk and his missed it.
43:13Hey, you all right?
43:14I'm out of interview.
43:15You're out of interview?
43:16Hi.
43:17That was not as long as I was expecting.
43:18That was because Sister Tom sent a comment.
43:19Yeah, we'll just hang around just in case he's begging to talk to us.
43:20Because I think he wants to.
43:21He wants to.
43:22He really wants to.
43:23Your daughter?
43:24Speak for her, for God's sake.
43:25Yeah.
43:26What a shame.
43:30When Stephen set out with his plan, did he really, truly think through the impact it'd have on his family?
43:37Cowls and clothing, underwear, socks, brush, they're lovely ones you get out of the airport.
44:02Right, I will shut off this block to everybody else.
44:09Well, you brought two trousers.
44:10We just need a pot.
44:11Is that Stan out there?
44:12Two bottoms?
44:13No, we've got two bottoms.
44:14We just need a pot.
44:15No worries, Sam.
44:16Oi, this is your back.
44:17Oh, all right, all right.
44:18What's that?
44:19Why, Sam?
44:20Uh, why, this is my mental breathing finger as well?
44:33I've never realised the voice, Sam.
44:36Er, why didn't they let them leave me as well?
44:45Yeah, well, maybe the same thing, please, Sam.
44:48Try not to talk.
44:50OK, bye.
44:58There were hundreds of family court battles going on
45:02every day of the week, and they don't end in a double shooting.
45:08It's a totally needless event.
45:12Joshua and Gary didn't need to die.
45:21I'm moving away from considering that this was a conspiracy to murder
45:24and towards Alderton acting alone.
45:26The gentleman you're about to read at you, mate,
45:28has got weirder and weirder as the day's gone.
45:32He wants to talk.
45:39And you can find out if he does tomorrow night at nine,
45:41and you'll find details about support that's available
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