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00:00Yeah, I heard it was messy.
00:02Wait, but why wouldn't she come?
00:04Dakota told me yesterday, she was like, I'm not coming tomorrow.
00:08If Dakota's coming.
00:10Is Dakota coming?
00:11We'll see.
00:14You guys, I lost my wedding ring.
00:16Is that like a sign?
00:17I have this one, but the one that Sydney made and all my bands, gone.
00:22Brett can sit next to me if no one wants to sit next to me.
00:25So you guys have big issue with Brett, is that what I need to understand here?
00:28I don't care to talk to him.
00:30I don't care to interact with him.
00:31Apparently, Demi is going out of her way to get a cease and desist.
00:34I think Demi and Brett specifically, they have more skeletons in their closet.
00:38And so if they can flip that narrative and talk badly about Jen, it covers them up.
00:43And it's so exhausting and so annoying.
00:48Welcome.
00:49What's going on?
00:50Are you okay?
00:52Yeah, great.
00:53Come on out with it.
00:54I mean, we will.
00:55We have all day for that.
00:56Yeah.
00:58Maybe use this as like an opportunity to get everything off of your chest.
01:06Maybe the fucker's not here.
01:08He's going to watch it, obviously.
01:09My stupid brain won't shut up.
01:11Like, I'm like getting ready.
01:11I'm like already heated.
01:13And I'm like, shut up.
01:14Dear Heavenly Father, we want to thank Thee for the opportunity we have to come together today.
01:28We pray that we can have the strength to stand by our own principles and our own values, as well as listen to those who may have differing opinions.
01:35And we say these things in the name of Jesus Christ.
01:37Amen.
01:37Amen.
01:38All right, you guys.
01:39Seeker Live, season three of Reunion.
01:44Gorgeous, gorgeous girls.
01:47Hi, Scott.
01:47Welcome to you.
01:48You look beautiful.
01:50You do, too.
01:51Is this your first hosting?
01:53No, I did Villa.
01:54So this is my second one.
01:55Oh, Reunion you hosted?
01:56Yeah.
01:57Okay, I didn't watch it for obvious reasons, but it wasn't because of you.
02:01Yeah, no, it's okay.
02:07I would love to hear your truth, Brett.
02:09Like, just tell us where you're coming from.
02:12The biggest problem I think I have with everybody is the knee-jerk reaction to Demi saying that she was a victim was to not believe her.
02:21The only reason I ever brought up you having sex with Marciano was because he told me that that's what happened.
02:26It didn't happen.
02:27He did tell us you guys kissed.
02:29So I'm hearing that.
02:30Yeah.
02:31False.
02:31There was not a kiss in the mouth.
02:33There was two ass grabs.
02:35If he actually assaulted you, why did you continue to talk to him?
02:39Just the classic case of victim blaming.
02:42Can we agree that she was, like, flirting and having long conversations and, like, building a relationship with a guy like she just met?
02:48She wasn't building a relationship with him.
02:50Not flirty at all.
02:51You would feel comfortable sending to another woman that you're swallowing cum?
02:56I'm not wired like you, bud.
02:57You should rewire yourself.
02:59Oh, yeah.
02:59That's disturbing.
03:00Okay.
03:01All right, little guy.
03:02It's the Lulu land, dude.
03:04What'd you say?
03:05You guys live in a different universe.
03:07I had no idea that pathological lying was contagious, but I guess it is.
03:13I don't even know why you're here.
03:14Just walk away.
03:15Everyone's being nice to you.
03:17People just talk shit behind your back because you're a shitty person.
03:20Hey, the feeling's neutral, dipshit, just so you know.
03:22Good.
03:22And it's so hard to take you seriously with your little munchkin voice.
03:25Oh, nice, bro.
03:26You're a big guy.
03:27I think that's a little steep, and I don't think anything good is going to come from talking like that.
03:31Let's just stop provoking each other just for a minute.
03:34Nice to finally meet you in person.
03:36I know.
03:36I've heard a lot, and people always haven't seen your show, but they're like, you remind me of Stasi.
03:43Obviously, I need to go watch it because I'm like, I want to see.
03:45And now I don't want you to see it because I just don't want you to judge me in my 20s.
03:49It's not who you are now, I'm sure.
03:51Oh, is it like a long time ago?
03:52Yeah, I was like 22 when I started it.
03:55I'm 37 now.
03:56I am your elder.
03:57The crazy thing to me, Zach, about you and Jen.
03:59Let's just watch this.
04:01I'm going to keep talking.
04:02I don't care to talk to you.
04:03I don't care to talk to you to me.
04:04I don't care to talk about any of that stuff.
04:06That's your story.
04:07The feeling's mutual, bud.
04:08So that's perfect.
04:09And I'm going to talk to you.
04:11I'm here.
04:12So we're going to talk.
04:14Welcome to the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, the season three reunion.
04:18I'm your host, Stasi Schroeder.
04:20And the holidays must have come early this year because we've got some gifts in store for you.
04:25We've decked the halls, lined the trees, and pulled out all the red carpets for our very merry Mormon wives
04:31to look back at a very memorable season.
04:33Ladies, I am dazzled.
04:36I'm delighted to be a part of this.
04:38Not just because I am a huge fan, but because, like, I have been exactly in your shoes.
04:44I've dated the bad boy, argued allegations, had the fallouts, and managed the fame.
04:49Last time this cast was on this stage, y'all had a medic in the back and a pregnancy suite in the dressing room.
04:57Since then, we've had some very exciting updates.
05:00Take a look.
05:01It's like 3.45 in the morning, and my water just broke.
05:06I'm nervous.
05:07I'm so, so, so.
05:19That was crazy.
05:19Mikaela did you have underwear on when you were giving birth in a shower no honestly I was so
05:32blacked out at that point like I was in another planet um but no it was a little monitoring strap
05:37oh yeah Macy and Mikaela there's a conspiracy theory that you both named your daughters
05:43Charlotte is this true we actually didn't we didn't it's a conspiracy no yeah shut the fuck up
05:51I always liked the name Lottie it was like my one that I had throughout that I was like okay I'm
05:56sticking to this yeah and I knew that Macy had Charlie on her list I didn't even know what name
06:00she was naming her baby until like two days after birth wait so you guys neither of your child's
06:05name is Charlotte no no I was God Jen you shared so much about
06:13like your struggles while you were pregnant I think it's just like prenatal like yeah depression
06:20I think I first started feeling depressed when I realized what needed to change in my life and in
06:28my marriage but it wasn't until after I found out I was pregnant that I truly hit rock bottom
06:35I don't even know what happened yesterday oh Jen oh my god
06:41it's just crazy to see um her now I just love her so much and she's like literally everything to
07:11me I remember when I found out I was pregnant with her I was genuinely disappointed because I felt
07:17like I wasn't ready but everything happens for a reason and she is like the reason why I'm healed
07:23to this day sorry I'm sure people have come reached out to you about oh my gosh thank you for being so
07:30open about what you went through because you are helping people yeah right now oh yeah prenatal
07:34depression and postpartum is not talked about enough re-watching that just made me realize like
07:39oh my gosh like I can't believe I'm here and I'm in a better place and I feel like I'm genuinely
07:45happier and it's because of her so I love that our babies always save us they really do yeah that was
07:51not mature how we did it let's just talk okay I genuinely want to know let's start over seriously
07:55where I am hurt and have feelings towards you and to me is you know the hell that I was going
08:01through I came to you like I looked up to you as like this older you know person I could get advice
08:05from and I felt like we talked and you gave me a lot of good advice I'm sorry to hear that I
08:10genuinely am and I didn't know the extent to which Jen was hurting come here was that thought you're
08:18going to beat me up I'm not gonna do that to me how are you I'm good how are you back in mom talk
08:24I'm back no I was shocked Whitney came back because dancing with the stars but I didn't know
08:31why you came back I just felt like there was unfinished business yeah and I felt like there
08:37was a pattern of self-sabotage and watching myself back I'm like oh there's my shadow there's like
08:42the sides of me that need to be healed and for me I'm like no I deserve to be here and I have
08:47you know a story to tell so yeah I'm excited I'm excited to be back well good to have you here
08:52thank you from breakups to makeups and a few massive shakeups mom talk and co have kept things
08:59moving and kept us guessing so tonight we are leaving no stone unturned no tea unspelled and no
09:06duncan refresher unstirred we will be joined by a slew of surprise guests popping in as our fabulous
09:12duncan sip and tellers at our duncan bev bar let's get to the chase oh no
09:18ladies mom talk how we doing
09:25apparently I was unanimously requested by everyone here to be the bartender
09:31that's a full-blown line maybe taylor
09:34we got some drinks for everyone here snacks just stay behind the bar I don't need to get touched
09:40again at least you used touched instead of shot taylor chase thank you you go oh it's really
09:46we've got some questions for you chase is it weird as to be sitting like behind taylor
09:52I'm normally next door oh oh he'd rather be on top or bottom though let's talk about your date
10:00um should we kiss for our friend's sake
10:06taylor did you know it was a date no not really I think it was like he wanted to just apologize
10:16I don't know why it's such a big deal I'm not married to Miranda anymore
10:19okay Miranda did you know about this date from what I heard it was a coffee meetup to put water
10:28into the bridge that's what I heard that's not a date it just felt like there were a few details
10:33left out and that's really where my confusion came from right okay I mean I would be annoyed too so
10:40yeah chase taylor where do you guys think you go from here
10:45we'll see I don't know
10:50okay all right so it looks like we're all gonna have to watch this on season four
10:57and we have so much to get through thanks chase for the sip and telling all right
11:04you know we love a little game around here so tonight whether you're sipping on hot cocoa
11:11a cola or a cosmo we've got a buzzword for you every time you hear the word accountability
11:17we invite all of you at home to take a sip you're gonna get alcohol poisoning
11:23you still can't sit here and just take accountability say you're right I'm here for this
11:26I know that's your favorite word oh god the accountability it's like the favorite word
11:33Jessie took accountability and I take full accountability but again this is to take
11:37accountability and you're the lack of accountability you're just taking accountability
11:41we don't hear any accountability I get it should we look up the definition because I think a lot
11:45of people in this group don't even know what it means accountability is the state of being
11:50held responsible for something or someone take accountability accountability accountability
11:55I'm not even gonna say the word accountability holy shit we use that word way too much but
11:59take accountability
12:01I love the accountability
12:03that scene alone had like 12
12:05that's the only one not in that montage I don't buy into it
12:09Jessie what'd she say she said I'm probably not in that montage
12:12no that was Jordan wow Jessie gold star
12:14Whitney at one point this past season you called the other women your co-workers
12:19like what inspired this change of heart because it looked like overnight you were like I want
12:25everyone to be friends again honestly I feel like it was more so during press week I think like
12:30it was just to me and I and then it was everyone else these were huge milestones that we were all
12:35accomplishing together so it's like it's kind of sad that like we can't even be work friends
12:40Macy I want to ask you why she went to you to heal mom talk at first when she approached me I was like
12:46this is a bad idea and then I was like okay well we can try it and I can't make any promises that
12:52people aren't gonna break out in a fight but I think it was cool because it took every single
12:55one of us had to be vulnerable and open up or else it wouldn't have gone the way that it did
12:58went better than I thought it did it went better than I thought it would yeah I feel like I'm good
13:03with every single one of you I would consider every single one of you one of my friends
13:06yeah well the guys have been patiently waiting backstage but I think it's time we bring them
13:13out to join the fun dad talk come on out
13:16see you out there I'm nervous about going
13:21here to join in on the fun are Jace Jordan Connor Zach and Jacob I was just in London filming the next
13:33season of Vanderpump Villa and some of you guys were there how was the villa guys
13:37Zach why did you turn bright red I just saw some things oh what oh would you see those aren't my
13:46secrets to share I will say he was a little testy when he came home from London so I was like you've
13:50been hanging out with Jordan too much he's a little spicy he's not usually spicy what happened in England
13:56you're gonna have to wait and tune in just wait oh all right more of that on season four of secret
14:03lives of Mormon wives now if you need a drink at home grab a chaser and for anyone here just grab
14:10chase let's see who else is behind the bar
14:12Mason why is your shirt on
14:24so you guys are official official official how are you
14:30Mason is Chase's brother and he's freaking hot
14:36I used to see Chase and I see you do you think it's weird to be honest
14:40I don't know I guess it's not weird
14:43I saw Chase a year ago now I know that Mason was interested in me first before Chase was so I
14:49just accidentally tried out the wrong brother first and now we're doing redo
14:53also Layla so I hear Mason has met your kids yes yes do they love him did he pass the test
15:04I fear they're obsessed with him the other day when we were on that hook yeah because he looks
15:09like Tarzan have they seen that movie I always every single time they're eating they're like I'm
15:12gonna eat all my food so I get big bus big muscles like Mason I'm like oh okay so smart I have to ask
15:19who's a better kisser definitely Mason I was gonna ask his bigger I want to shift gears from Mason and
15:29Layla and talk about another relationship Michaela and Jace you guys were very vulnerable about your
15:35struggles this season I feel like I've made a lot of strides with my past sexual abuse but as far as
15:43the intimacy issues I feel like it's been one area that I haven't been able to progress at all
15:49intimacy for me is really important it's like a deal breaker I think it's someone else's fault that
15:55took things and stole things from you and if I'm frustrated I'm frustrating at those people I'm
15:59not frustrated with you Michaela how does it feel hearing Jace say not having intimacy is an issue
16:07for him sorry I'm just gonna take a second
16:10sorry I'm just gonna take a second
16:23sorry it's still really fresh everything that I'm working through I know it's a really big need of
16:38his and I think he's been very patient with me Michaela's been amazing I think that she's
16:46handling it better than I could have in her situation have things improved at all since
16:51the finale since that time I feel like I haven't had my body or felt in my body for a long time
16:57because of my health issues also she had a baby she carried that baby to term and push that baby out
17:05and then after having the baby it's like my health stuff all came back 180 overnight and then for him
17:09it's still hard because we're still having the intimacy issues and I'm like I don't know how to
17:13overcome and I think that's what's hard yeah Jesse you look like you're getting emotional
17:20yeah um I actually loved watching the Kio story because I knew that it happened to her but
17:30seeing it play out and like seeing her thoughts and feelings behind it um I can relate I I've been
17:36doing a lot of therapy because of mine and Jordan's situation and I actually uncovered the memory that I
17:40was raped when I was 19
17:41and um it really it like started a lot of my um issues um about like going emotionally numb and pushing
17:55people away and feeling not good enough and after uncovering that um me and Jordan already had our
18:02struggles but it made it worse like I I don't exactly like I don't want him to touch me and it's
18:10not his fault but like it's so crazy how your body reacts it's not just your emotions you know
18:15um so yeah that's just been another layer of healing for me but watching her story like it just
18:21really hit home for me and I I understand fully how that can feel Connor what's going through your
18:28head right now
18:29I'm so sorry Jesse
18:35I feel like I can't relate in the same way I struggled with intimacy in polarizing ways and I
18:46don't want to speak for Michaela or Jesse or anyone else but it can be challenging to rewire your brain
18:52at least for me the two polarizing parts are like please don't touch me I don't have control here
18:58and it scares me to I want to have like hypersexuality like I want to have as much
19:03sex as possible to put distance between me and that event I just need to get that out of my system
19:08so I don't know if I can necessarily relate with your relationships but I do know that the patience
19:16that you are giving your spouses is healing and it is breeding intimacy between the both of you
19:23I feel like that's one good thing that has come from the fame I think it has pushed a lot of us
19:27out of our comfort zone I don't know when I would have talked about it for me I would probably just
19:30push it away till I was 40 or 50 so I think this is a great thing like all the conversations that
19:35we've had I think are amazing and I think they're helping so many people that are watching so I
19:40think that's my that's my pro to me are you okay
19:44what is this triggering for you I think just like deep deep wounds and things for me that I haven't
19:56fully uncovered and things I know I've been through that I've blocked out as well and they're just
20:04listening to you guys talk about it it's like it's so sad that we're sitting here in a room
20:09and like how many people in this room have experienced something like this to a degree
20:14and that with everything that I went through the past year not to compare because what I went through
20:20was not even close to what most everyone has gone through but it triggered a lot of
20:28really horrible things that have happened in my life so to not be believed and be questioned and
20:37like be called a liar um yeah that it was just horrible so I'm touched to like hear the way you
20:46guys are talking about it and Connor when you talk about it it's like my little younger self is like
20:53getting the hug that I needed you guys should be so proud of yourselves thank you for being so open
20:59all of you I feel like you're gonna help so many people by talking about it we have a former member
21:05of dad talk waiting to join us and now feels like a good time let's bring out Brett he's joined us here
21:13now how are you doing doing well happy to be here good so for the past two seasons fans have been
21:20wondering what really happened with Marciano and mom talk we've read receipts reviewed recaps and for
21:26some reason still haven't wrapped this up take a look so I met with Marciano and he told me that you
21:34guys have been having an affair the past couple months he told me that you guys had sex oh my
21:40fucking hell I can't we did not have sex there's dark parts of me that just sometimes want to throw
21:47up my hands and just say I don't want to do this anymore are you still the person that I want to
21:51be with it ultimately led to us deciding to separate did me tell you to say that you slept
21:58with Jesse yeah did you and Demi kiss in Italy oh god you guys if I go admitted to that I just don't
22:04want a war I know Marciano was hurt by me ending things abruptly so it does make sense that he would
22:11join forces with Demi because he wanted revenge oh what who's that Marciano he said uninvited to
22:19the function because a 30 year old Mormon wife scared to tell her husband the truth and then to
22:24be commented she goes grown men acting like a child because they couldn't bag a married woman
22:28and then she commented another night also she got uninvited because he's a sexual predator he's not a
22:33sexual he's not no he's not a predator I think the biggest thing for me that's triggering right now
22:37is not feeling believed and not feeling like people truly want to understand she knows how
22:43to bulldoze you in conversation she has a way of making people believe her never once did I feel it
22:49for him we've never kissed in our life I've never even told him he was cute period the end my gut is
22:56telling me everything is calculated I definitely think she's a threat to mom talks foundation the band
23:01is officially back together we still have a lot to work on but I do feel a little more hopeful
23:05because I am seeing patterns and behaviors that I needed to see before I personally feel like the
23:11things that I've needed to face I've faced so are you ready to officially move back in I'm over the
23:16moon about having a chance to take another stab at this so Jesse you had an emotional affair with
23:25Marciano what did he provide for you emotionally I always say like it honestly could have been anyone
23:33at home I just was feeling not seen not appreciated not loved I couldn't do anything right so just to
23:40have someone who like thought I was cool or funny or just like didn't see those negative things like it
23:46was just someone getting me attention in a positive way and not putting me down all the time do you
23:50regret though cheating yeah I wish I would have just left Jordan at that time instead of cheating I
23:56truly was like if I do something like this like that will get me out it was almost like well he
24:01hasn't hit me he hasn't done anything like that so like it was really hard to like justify leaving
24:06but emotional abuse and that toxicity can drain you and it did and it made me a person I'm not proud of
24:11Macy I know you had a lot of opinions about this yeah no it's hard I've obviously someone who's been
24:18through an abusive relationship and I know theirs isn't the same as mine but I think for me I like
24:22that Jordan was finally owning things but I was also like as long as you we had the action behind
24:27it because words are just words unless there's action put behind it um but yeah no I mean it's
24:32nothing you want to hear about your friend that's why I'm always really protective Taylor but at the
24:35end of the day I know they have to make their own choices so I try to stay in one relationship at a
24:39time and do what I can so it's like I'm not trying to jump too deep into Jesse now I will say I do
24:44remember him taking his part of being like I did mess up I did do this to her and I did do that
24:49and there was no buts after and so I appreciated that part of it but behind closed doors when you
24:54go home with him I don't know how that was so we all don't know that part so only they can speak on
24:59that one well Jesse do you feel like Jordan has put action behind it yeah we've been in therapy for
25:04a while and I have seen a lot of changes I will say like I wouldn't still be here if that wasn't
25:08happening unfortunately healing isn't overnight so we've had setbacks and there are still things I worry
25:13about but overall I do feel like he's taken what I've said and applied a lot of it I just need
25:20time to see if it's gonna feel genuine you know Jordan how do you feel about that I've had to make
25:25changes and I've had to look at myself in the mirror and like think about like the kind of person that I
25:30want to be not for Jesse but for myself like I am I'm proud of myself for the changes that I've made
25:36and I really hope that those changes are enough to have a chance at saving my family
25:42well there was even more drama behind the scenes the night Layla broke the news of Jesse's affair
25:48take a look at this extended cut of one of the phone calls between Jesse and Marciano
25:52I'm just gonna go like this
25:56so I was told that you said we had sex you know that that's not true so I'm just confused why it
26:06was said that way Jesse I'm not gonna get into a disagreement with you okay do you think we had
26:10we kissed twice that was it okay no Marciano you know that like I I'm just you know that I I
26:27I'm willing to be so open and honest that I had feelings for you like I was struggling in my marriage
26:33but I want it to be the truth
26:34it's everything
26:35a hundred percent
26:36you need to talk about how you wanted to leave Jordan and that you loved me
26:39yes one thousand percent I'm gonna have to like everything's coming out so that's why I just really
26:44want it to be the truth
26:45this is the thing is that we're gonna have this shit come out be a fucking honest
26:48this is so much bigger than you think
26:50to me really fucked me
26:52I don't mind getting into it I really can't
26:54she fucking used me
26:55oh my god
26:58I gotta go
26:59Jordan how do you feel watching that
27:01well um a little bit um
27:05triggered
27:08okay
27:09yeah
27:10I uh was specifically told by Jesse that
27:15she never had said that she was gonna leave me for
27:19that piece of shit
27:20I didn't say I was gonna leave you for him
27:22I told Marciano
27:23I most likely I'm gonna leave my husband because I'm unhappy
27:25I never said it was for him and I've told you that
27:27that footage is what that said
27:29he said leave Jordan period
27:31he didn't say for me and I never said for him
27:34I may have put that in my own head then
27:36yeah
27:36okay
27:36well then yeah
27:38Jesse
27:39the results of the lie detector test were inconclusive
27:43at parts
27:44yeah
27:44specifically the parts about
27:46contact with Marciano besides two kisses
27:49we got the results
27:50the results are in
27:51have you ever had sexual intercourse with Marciano
27:54it says no
27:55true
27:56yeah
27:56so you're good on that one
27:58number two
27:58besides those two kisses
27:59have you ever had any sexual physical contact Marciano
28:02no
28:02inconclusive
28:05wait what
28:06what
28:07what can you say
28:09I know that looks so bad
28:10I was like shit
28:11so in the moment
28:12when she asked that question
28:13I was like okay
28:14nothing else happened
28:15besides those two kisses honestly
28:16but in my head I was like
28:17okay well I did touch his arm
28:18like he did grab me here
28:20like there were things like that
28:21but I'm like
28:21I don't want to say yes
28:22so I said no
28:23and then it came back that way
28:24so I understand why
28:26because in my head
28:27I was having that internal battle
28:28at this point though
28:29like I know my truth
28:30it did say we didn't have sex
28:31and I'm glad that that was cleared up
28:33and genuinely nothing else happened
28:35and at this point
28:36I would also say it
28:37because also
28:38what do you have to lose at this point
28:40no literally
28:40and half the time
28:41I've wanted to leave Jordan
28:42it would give me a reason
28:43genuinely
28:44and I've told him that
28:45can I ask you guys
28:46just to everybody
28:47you watch Marciano talk like that
28:49the way that he talks
28:50how do you give anything that he says
28:53any credibility whatsoever
28:55I think that's why it's so messy
28:56is because you can't
28:58well we know
28:58we're just using facts
29:00that we've seen too
29:01yeah
29:01it's not what Marciano is saying
29:04we clearly know he speaks in riddles
29:06when you guys were
29:07at the villa in England
29:09you guys seemed
29:10okay with Marciano
29:12no
29:13I wasn't
29:15these guys
29:15yeah I will be honest
29:16I never chummed it up
29:16yeah not me
29:18he did seem like
29:19he was a nice guy there
29:20he was charismatic
29:21he stayed out of the drama
29:22like I felt like
29:23he was respectful to Jordan
29:24so it was confusing
29:26okay Demi
29:27what do you say
29:28about continuing on
29:29a friendship
29:30and relationship
29:31with him
29:32after
29:32what you're accusing him of
29:34yeah I mean
29:36we have to separate the two
29:37because
29:38you can be sexually assaulted
29:40and then also
29:41continue a relationship
29:42so
29:42one doesn't have to take away
29:44from the other
29:45and why I did that
29:47I think honestly
29:48just boils down
29:48to a trauma response
29:49and
29:50having a lack of boundaries
29:52and feeling like
29:53I needed to make excuses
29:55for what happened
29:55and also to keep
29:56what happened
29:58quiet
29:59because I didn't want
30:00it to come out
30:01and like the best way
30:02to describe it
30:03is the hell
30:03that I've been through
30:04for the past year
30:05and the women
30:06who didn't understand
30:07like well why didn't
30:08you want that to come out
30:09I don't understand
30:09how that doesn't affect you
30:11it's weird though
30:12and again
30:12I'm not trying to call you a liar
30:13to this day
30:14he will double down on
30:15a few things
30:17and one of those things
30:17is when we were
30:18Demi and I were leaving the villa
30:19we kissed on the lips
30:21no I did not
30:22because it was off camera
30:22Jen when you say things like
30:24it was off camera
30:25why are you saying that
30:26as though you know
30:27to me I've seen it now
30:29things did happen
30:30between Demi and Marciano
30:31whether she wants
30:32to admit it or not
30:33I mean she was literally
30:35right next to him
30:36like grabbing his hands
30:37like googly eyes
30:39like talking laughing
30:40like it for sure
30:42did not seem like
30:44a married woman
30:46was talking to another
30:47single man with boundaries
30:48did you see anything
30:50happen off camera
30:51I hate to say the word
30:53but like again
30:54I just haven't seen
30:55any accountability
30:55did you see anything
30:57fucking happen
30:58off camera
30:59no I didn't
31:00I didn't
31:00why did you say you did
31:01why are you fucking
31:02saying a word
31:03why did you threaten
31:04a sex innocent
31:05because of the shit
31:06I've gone through
31:06for the past year
31:07Jen
31:08which you don't
31:09fucking understand
31:10because you've never
31:10been sexually assaulted
31:11yes I actually have
31:12she has
31:13she has
31:13and I haven't
31:13she has
31:14okay
31:14then have some
31:16fucking respect
31:17because I was too
31:19it goes both ways
31:20I'm not talking to you
31:21you're talking to my wife
31:22yeah I'm talking to your wife
31:23I'm talking to your wife
31:25then talk respectfully
31:25I will talk to her
31:27how I feel like
31:28she deserves to be talked to
31:29I've done nothing to Jen
31:30she's made my life
31:31I'm living
31:31you've done nothing to me
31:33you bullied me
31:34I bullied you
31:35after you went
31:36you sat in the thing
31:37we're here for you
31:37we know what happened
31:38we're on your side
31:40five seconds later
31:41you turn to Mikaela
31:41and go
31:42if she comes from
31:43next season
31:43I'm exposing this
31:44what the fuck
31:45is wrong with you
31:46what the actual
31:47fuck is wrong
31:48with your brain
31:49you
31:53what the fuck
31:54is wrong with you
31:55what the actual
31:56fuck is wrong
31:57with your brain
31:57how do you feel
31:58about your wife
31:59texting the word
32:00come to another man
32:00how do you feel
32:01about that
32:02Jen listen
32:03no
32:03just listen
32:05I'll answer your question
32:06answer my question
32:06I'm asking
32:06I started asking
32:07how do you feel
32:08about that
32:08the word come
32:09just with respect
32:10is that appropriate
32:10with respect
32:11just listen
32:12okay but it's hard
32:13to be respectful
32:13when it's not being
32:14reciprocated
32:15okay answer your question
32:16and that's what happens
32:16with us
32:17it's got to go both ways
32:18I know I understand
32:19if you want to be heard out
32:20you gotta hear other people
32:21here's the problem
32:21because there's 20
32:22different things
32:22that we could say
32:23you're the one
32:23telling people
32:24to shut their
32:24fucking mouth
32:25Zach come on
32:26but
32:26don't don't
32:27I'm not gonna be
32:28disrespectful to Jen
32:29don't be
32:29disrespectful to me
32:31please
32:31he's not being
32:32disrespectful
32:33the question I have
32:35for you is
32:36she's telling me
32:36to shut my
32:37fucking mouth
32:38can you listen
32:39are you trying
32:40to avoid my question
32:41I don't understand
32:42why you keep
32:42interrupting
32:43please
32:43Jen I am asking
32:45you
32:46if you didn't
32:47see the things
32:48that you said
32:48you saw
32:49why did you say
32:50you did
32:51why did you say
32:52you saw her
32:52sitting on his lap
32:53why did you say
32:54you saw her
32:54kiss him on the lip
32:55hold on
32:56and before you answer
32:57just know
32:57there's footage
32:58like the whole thing
32:59was filmed
32:59we just need to stop
33:00this is clearly
33:01not the place
33:01oh I know
33:02but we just brought it up
33:03so I feel like
33:04why don't we talk about
33:05Demi and Jessie's
33:06relationship
33:06their friendship
33:07you guys were best friends
33:09thick as thieves
33:10always together
33:11and now
33:12it's like
33:13how would you describe
33:14your friendship
33:15today
33:16I watched it fall apart
33:17yeah
33:17I would say that we've
33:19made strides
33:20and we've talked
33:20about things
33:21but I have walls up
33:22because I don't fully trust
33:23and I think she did
33:24multiple things to me
33:25back to back
33:26to back
33:26to back
33:27so I don't quite
33:28understand certain things
33:29and I think because of that
33:30I still have a huge guard up
33:31Demi how do you feel
33:32about her
33:32your friendship
33:33yeah it's almost as though
33:34we haven't had conversations
33:35like when I hear her say that
33:37and it's like I don't understand
33:38to me I'm confused
33:39because we've talked
33:40this through
33:41so many times
33:42my intention
33:43from start to finish
33:45was so that
33:46this never
33:46fucking came to light
33:48and in placating
33:50and being nice
33:51to Marciano
33:51he was gonna go
33:52on a podcast
33:53and I was like
33:54shit
33:54I need to control
33:56how this plays out
33:57why were you so involved
33:59in my story
34:00because I was trying
34:00to keep him at bay
34:02I understand placating
34:03because I did it
34:04but I was trying
34:05to hide something
34:05I did wrong
34:06so why did you feel
34:07like you had to placate
34:07because I didn't want
34:08to go through
34:08what I've been going
34:09through the past year
34:10and have to talk
34:11about this at all
34:11I feel like this is
34:13an impossible situation
34:14because right before this
34:15we just saw
34:16you know everyone's
34:17talking about sexual assault
34:18and you clearly see
34:19Demi crying
34:20and like that's
34:20a super sensitive topic
34:21I think the reason
34:23we want to have
34:23these conversations
34:24is because
34:24when we say
34:25it doesn't add up
34:26we're not trying
34:26to say you're a liar
34:27discredit you
34:28but like in our minds
34:29from what we know
34:29it doesn't
34:30Macy
34:31how uncomfortable
34:32would it be
34:32if you got
34:33and I'm sorry
34:34I'm not trying
34:35to be insensitive
34:35but you got raped
34:36by your abuser
34:37or you got slapped
34:39or whatever
34:39and then afterwards
34:40you're like
34:40I love you
34:41and then later
34:42they're like
34:42Macy
34:43it's really weird
34:43that you said
34:44I love you
34:44I don't like
34:48when you do that
34:48being in a relationship
34:49with someone
34:50is so different
34:50than someone
34:51you knew for two days
34:51I'm sorry
34:52the problem is
34:52that you got
34:53becoming the
34:54judge, jury
34:55and executioner
34:56as to how she reacted
34:57well she put me
34:58in a really bad position
34:59so I have every right
35:00to question her too
35:00I'm sorry
35:01this is a tit for tap
35:02for you
35:02yeah it has to be
35:03this is bullshit
35:04and I'm about to walk off
35:05then go
35:06how do we get
35:07to the bottom of this
35:08if people
35:08why are you
35:09I don't think
35:10why are you
35:11acting this way
35:12towards me
35:12you would be
35:12because I'm still confused
35:13I want answers
35:15it's all these things
35:16where we're like
35:16this doesn't add up
35:17I just don't appreciate
35:18the lies
35:19the lies piss me off
35:20so bad
35:20because it's affected
35:21my life
35:22for the past year
35:23in a very negative way
35:24and Jen's off
35:25living her merry life
35:26on Dancing with the Stars
35:27raking in dollar bills
35:29and I'm a lying villain
35:30you don't think
35:31bullying me
35:31affected me
35:32sweetie
35:32how did I bully you
35:34how did you bully me
35:35you treated me like shit
35:37you were lying about me
35:39and then you expected me
35:40to have this wave
35:41of empathy for you
35:42because you were
35:43having a hard time
35:44I think that this is
35:48this is going to have
35:49to be a larger conversation
35:50I don't think this is
35:51going to be
35:51wrapped up today
35:52I think too much
35:53but do you see
35:54we just have
35:55we want to talk about
35:56I truly hope you all
35:59can find a way
36:00to move forward
36:01with all of this
36:02but we need
36:03to move on
36:04with the reunion
36:04we have another guest coming
36:07I am kindly requesting
36:09all of your cooperation
36:11our next guest
36:12only agreed to participate
36:14if the ladies of MomTalk
36:15exited the stage
36:17while their interview
36:17takes place
36:18out of respect
36:20for that request
36:21I am asking
36:21Taylor
36:22Macy
36:23Michaela
36:24Jen
36:25Jesse
36:26Layla
36:27Miranda
36:27Demi
36:28and Whitney
36:29to follow
36:30our stage manager
36:31back to their dressing rooms
36:32where they can continue
36:33watching the reunion
36:35Demi's example
36:43where she
36:44if there weren't cameras
36:45they would have been like
36:45oh did I physically assault you?
36:47would you tell people that?
36:48that I was
36:49like
36:49that I put my hands on you
36:51which is an assault?
36:52like I
36:52for a while
36:53was like
36:53am I going to get strung out
36:54as like someone who
36:55hits girls?
36:56yeah
36:56all because of
36:58you know
36:58she was
36:59at an emotional high
37:00and I think
37:01I'd love to chat with her
37:02about that
37:03because I've never been able to
37:03our experiences are valid
37:05and it's like
37:06muddied
37:06because of this stupid
37:08fucking asshole
37:09that's lied
37:09and sorry
37:11but Jen
37:11who's lied
37:12and put all these things
37:13in your head
37:13that never happened
37:14okay
37:16she's not telling lies
37:17she's telling her experience
37:18and she saw you be
37:18flirting the villain
37:19so did all of us
37:20I will never put myself
37:21in a situation
37:22like that again
37:22and that sucks
37:23especially when you've
37:24been in that situation
37:26and it like
37:26brings up old stuff
37:28like
37:28then you start really
37:30blaming yourself
37:30for like what they do
37:32it's more painful
37:33to not be believed
37:34than to say
37:35or not to go over it
37:37over and over
37:37and over
37:38and feel the pain
37:39of past things
37:40than to just say
37:41fuck yeah
37:42we kissed
37:43fuck yeah
37:43this happened
37:44I'd rather
37:44something fucking
37:46happened at this point
37:47it's excruciating
37:48and it's ruining
37:49my reputation
37:50and we hear you
37:51and we hear you
37:52and we hear you
37:52I'm not
37:52I'm sorry
37:55I want to go home
38:10I want to go home
38:12don't feel like
38:19you have to go out there
38:19no I feel like
38:20I have to for me
38:21okay for you
38:22then let's fucking do it
38:23let's do it
38:24I want you to really
38:25feel like
38:26you're up to it
38:27every part of me
38:28wants to run
38:28and I'm like
38:29no
38:29you're gonna stay
38:31like you deserve
38:31to be here
38:32and like
38:33you're not gonna
38:34let them win
38:35did Demi leave
38:36leave?
38:36she might have
38:37I heard this wailing
38:38and I was like
38:39what was that noise
38:39and she's outside
38:40talking to somebody
38:41I saw Brett
38:42talking to people
38:42yeah
38:43so I don't know
38:43if she was leaving
38:44or not
38:44okay
38:46I know that was a lot
38:48but we do have
38:49a special guest
38:49waiting to come out
38:50is everyone ready?
38:57oh my gosh
39:01did he
39:02so he's been watching
39:03this whole thing?
39:04welcome back
39:05to the Secret Lives
39:06of Mormon Wives
39:07season 3 reunion
39:08against all odds
39:10and expectations
39:11we have Dakota
39:12here with me
39:13and the rest
39:14of Dad Talk
39:15tensions between
39:16Mom Talk
39:17and Dad Talk
39:17took a toll
39:18on many of our
39:19cast members
39:19this season
39:20and in an effort
39:21to speak his truth
39:23Dakota agreed
39:24to join us tonight
39:25on the condition
39:25that Taylor
39:26and the rest
39:27of Mom Talk
39:27be backstage
39:28can we turn this
39:29up a little bit?
39:30Dakota
39:30I was rooting
39:31for you and Taylor's
39:32relationship
39:32and now
39:33you can't even be
39:34on the same stage
39:35with her
39:35why you little bitch?
39:36you have to admit
39:37it's kind of crazy
39:39that you kicked
39:40the girls
39:41off of their own
39:43stage
39:43I'm just gonna say
39:44that was a little
39:45more dramatic
39:45than I thought
39:46it was gonna be
39:47it wasn't supposed
39:47to be like that
39:48none of the husbands
39:49are getting sex
39:49tonight
39:50that's for sure
39:50Connor already did
39:51before 8 a.m
39:52yeah
39:53wow
39:53I know
39:54all I wanted
39:54was just
39:55to be able
39:55to have
39:56like a good
39:56conversation
39:57and I think
39:58most people
39:58would agree
39:59that like
39:59when me and Taylor
40:00are together
40:00it's really hard
40:01for us
40:02to just talk
40:03so that was
40:04really my only thing
40:05I think that's fair
40:06your relationship
40:07with Taylor
40:08has gotten
40:09to a point
40:10where she'll be
40:10looking for love
40:11on the next season
40:12of The Bachelorette
40:13what happened?
40:15let's take a look
40:16how are you?
40:18how are things?
40:18good
40:19you had him
40:19like for 11 days
40:20I did
40:21it was like
40:21good bonding
40:22for us
40:23really?
40:23yeah
40:23well I'm sure
40:24well yeah
40:25I feel so close
40:26to him
40:26the goal is
40:28to have
40:29healthy co-parenting
40:30and to focus
40:32on our healing
40:33individually
40:34I am not going
40:35to be in a relationship
40:36until I'm in a
40:36healthier spot
40:37my roommate went
40:38missing this morning
40:39yes we had sex
40:45like obviously
40:46how about that
40:47I love you
40:48last night
40:48if ever there was
40:50a future for Dakota
40:51and I
40:51there would have
40:52to be
40:52no more lies
40:53no more secrets
40:54are Taylor and Dakota
40:55back together?
40:57I'm not trying to
40:57snitch but
40:58during one of the
40:59times they were
41:00broken up
41:00Leanne's friend
41:01she started like
41:03hitting on him
41:03and it kind of
41:04turned sexual
41:05this is the fourth
41:06girl now and it's
41:06like it's a fucking
41:07family member
41:07I hate you
41:09I don't think you
41:10like understand
41:10how big of a deal
41:11this is
41:12I just like want
41:15your full transparency
41:16Dakota came clean
41:18to me
41:19there's never been
41:20anything going on
41:20this thing in Dakota
41:21I literally would have
41:23only invited him
41:23over to cry it out
41:25or whatever
41:25cry it out
41:26and then fuck
41:27you haven't been
41:31happy for three
41:32years
41:32I did my
41:34mediation
41:35Taylor I'm glad
41:36that you took
41:37the initiative
41:38to contact
41:39the attorney
41:40and finally
41:40set some boundaries
41:41I have no choice
41:42we're done
41:43sorry can you
41:45throw me that
41:46water real quick
41:46to make you nervous
41:48yeah you guys
41:49do
41:49he's sweating
41:51he's like hey
41:52what line is it
41:52to cover up right
41:53now
41:53how are you and
41:54Taylor now
41:54I don't I mean
41:55I think
41:56probably not good
42:00if I had to say
42:02like I and I
42:03don't like that
42:04like I wish it
42:05was I wish it
42:06was better
42:07but I just think
42:08the emotions are
42:09still like really
42:09high
42:10okay in your
42:11words what
42:12happened with
42:14Taylor's family
42:14friend
42:15it's been over
42:16two years now
42:17um so I think
42:19when this happened
42:20me and Taylor
42:20were together
42:21for like 10
42:22months
42:22we were both
42:23in a very toxic
42:25cycle
42:25for me anyways
42:26it was like I was
42:27always getting
42:27broken up with
42:28and this was like
42:29the first like
42:30time where she
42:31broke up with me
42:32where I guess
42:32for me it felt
42:33like very legit
42:34like it felt like
42:35it was real for me
42:36this lady
42:37that I had met
42:38through Taylor's
42:39family
42:40she read out to me
42:41and was just
42:42checking in on me
42:42because obviously
42:43she had heard
42:44what happened
42:44and she was just
42:45like being super
42:46nice
42:47um and then
42:48it wasn't
42:50it didn't like
42:50get weird
42:51did you guys
42:52talk about Taylor
42:52yeah it was about
42:54her relationship
42:54yeah
42:55so like you confided
42:56in her
42:56yeah it was just
42:57about like how
42:58how crappy it is
42:59and like how sad
43:00I am
43:00okay let's see
43:02what he lies about
43:02and then I'll go
43:03out there and
43:03clear it up
43:03and then it
43:05got to a point
43:05to where
43:06I'm trying to
43:07think of exactly
43:08step by step
43:09but it was like
43:10yeah think about
43:11those lies you're
43:11gonna tell
43:11she's just making
43:12him feel like a fool
43:13it's not that hard
43:14to do
43:15it's just the facts
43:16and then
43:17like out of nowhere
43:19I feel like she
43:20kind of like
43:20came on to me
43:22which
43:23that I think
43:24just kind of
43:25surprised me
43:25given in that
43:26moment
43:27like I didn't
43:27actually think
43:28that was gonna
43:28happen
43:28if again
43:30that's just
43:31my opinion
43:31like I really
43:32didn't think
43:33that was gonna
43:33happen
43:33and then
43:35uh
43:36and then from
43:37there
43:37it was like
43:38even the pictures
43:39we sent
43:39like I know
43:40pictures did you
43:40yeah by the way
43:41you're skipping
43:41over the important
43:42stuff
43:43no no I'm getting
43:43to it I just
43:44want to make sure
43:44I explain this
43:45because I don't
43:45want things twisted
43:46like even on the
43:47episode I watched
43:48one of them and
43:48it was like
43:49Taylor was questioning
43:50me I was like oh
43:50there's only one
43:51picture sent
43:51there's only one
43:52picture sent
43:52I was referring
43:54to she only sent
43:55me one picture
43:56there was multiple
43:57pictures sent
43:58but she only sent
43:59me one picture
44:00so you sent
44:01her one
44:01yeah no no
44:02no I only sent
44:03one more picture
44:03so there's two
44:04two pictures
44:05what was it
44:05what was the picture
44:06of
44:06it was a
44:08silhouette
44:08so in the
44:09silhouette
44:09like it was
44:10so dark
44:11like if I'm
44:12being honest
44:12it wasn't
44:14super sexual
44:17to me
44:17like just
44:18because of
44:19how dark
44:20the picture
44:20was
44:21what prompted
44:21the pic
44:22oh yeah
44:23this is what
44:23I was gonna
44:23say
44:23so and I
44:24think what
44:24even prompted
44:25I think what
44:26even prompted
44:26the picture
44:27was that we
44:28were talking
44:29about like
44:29the gym
44:30working out
44:31being in good
44:32shape
44:32like things
44:33like that
44:33conversation
44:34had turned
44:35away from
44:35you and
44:36Taylor's
44:36relationship
44:36and you guys
44:37were
44:37turned to
44:38like that
44:38just at that
44:39night time
44:40just towards
44:40the night
44:40there
44:41who gives
44:41a fuck
44:41what time
44:42it is
44:42it's night
44:43time
44:43it was
44:44night
44:44and then
44:48I sent
44:48a picture
44:49of my
44:49shirt off
44:50dumb as
44:51shit
44:51I agree
44:52it was
44:52stupid
44:53I'm not
44:53saying it's
44:53not
44:54yes
44:54it was
44:55that
44:56like flirty
44:56though
44:57her picture
44:57to you
44:57and
44:58hell yeah
44:58that's
44:59where
44:59yeah
44:59already
44:59I was
45:00like
45:00okay
45:00this is
45:01like
45:01yeah
45:02like
45:02it
45:02but you
45:03and Taylor
45:03weren't
45:03together
45:04no
45:04no she
45:05broke up
45:05of me
45:05I'm about
45:06to go
45:06fucking
45:07out there
45:08and literally
45:08annihilate him
45:09and then out
45:10of nowhere
45:10she like
45:12freaked out
45:13like and was
45:14like delete
45:15everything
45:15delete everything
45:16I think it
45:20made me have
45:21to kind of
45:21be like
45:22oh damn
45:22like this
45:23is like
45:23a big
45:24big deal
45:25keep going
45:26keep going
45:26go ahead
45:27with your
45:27lies
45:27lies
45:28what part
45:29where have I
45:29I don't want to
45:30sit by him
45:30you can go
45:31I don't want to
45:31sit by him
45:31can you give me
45:32that water
45:33you look pretty
45:35keep going
45:36all right
45:36I will
45:36let me drink
45:37welcome ladies
45:38thank you
45:39so Taylor
45:39what is not
45:40tracking for you
45:41um
45:42I mean I think
45:43you can kind of
45:43gauge when you're
45:44stuttering
45:44you're like
45:45well wait
45:45wait
45:46give me a second
45:46that's when you're
45:47having to keep up
45:47with lies
45:48you need the extent
45:49of what she was
45:49so don't go back
45:50on that now
45:51does that make sense
45:51yeah I see what
45:52you're saying
45:52that's my point
45:53if Dakota would
45:54just be like
45:55I messed up
45:56I messed up
45:56I was so dumb
45:58of me
45:58he would just
45:59look so much better
46:00I think you know
46:01that this was
46:03fucked up because
46:03you confided in
46:04Jordan about it
46:05a hundred percent
46:06okay so you
46:07understand why
46:08Taylor is
46:09yes
46:09enraged
46:10right
46:11right
46:12okay
46:13yeah
46:13so what are you
46:14trying to defend
46:15defend
46:16I think it comes
46:17off as you
46:18kind of defending
46:18as if it's not
46:19I think can invalidate
46:20how Taylor feels
46:21well I think I do
46:23that just given
46:23the fact that
46:24I think
46:24you're never
46:25just sorry
46:25yeah like if
46:26you didn't have
46:27any new
46:27information
46:27you must be
46:30here to fully
46:32apologize or
46:33something
46:34well I think
46:35the context of
46:36what I just said
46:36is new
46:37like I watched
46:38the episode
46:38and I feel like
46:39there was multiple
46:39things that were
46:40skewed in there
46:41what
46:42I think that's
46:43fair
46:43like it was
46:44exactly what
46:44I thought
46:45yeah there was
46:46but it's exaggerated
46:47I felt like it
46:48made it seem like
46:49I cheated on you
46:49you did
46:50that is cheating
46:51okay but yet
46:52you can do it
46:53right
46:53when you're broke
46:54up when you
46:55broke up with me
46:55you can go fuck
46:56someone else
46:56and then come
46:57fuck me right
46:58okay so a year later
46:59oh we were broke
47:00up we were broke
47:01up though right
47:01oh my god
47:02and your friends
47:03will tell you
47:03the same thing
47:04they'll say
47:04you don't owe him
47:05that
47:05did I cheat
47:06does anyone
47:06consider that cheating
47:07so you're broken
47:08up and me moving
47:09on
47:09so how is that
47:10cheating what I did
47:11if I was
47:11I don't feel like
47:11this is about cheating
47:12it's who it is
47:13it's who it's with
47:16Layla I know
47:18I'm saying
47:19then let me just talk
47:20do you see how
47:21the whole thing
47:21changed like
47:22when you come out
47:23and you're just
47:23firing shots at me
47:24like I wanted to
47:25just talk
47:25this is where I
47:26wanted to
47:26this was my whole
47:27point
47:28go
47:28I've apologized
47:29to you like
47:29a hundred times
47:30you've never
47:30meant it though
47:31yes I have
47:31I've wrote you
47:32letters saying
47:32sorry a hundred
47:33times
47:33do you know
47:34what you said
47:34you said hey
47:35I weeded out
47:36a bad friend
47:36in your family
47:37this is me just
47:37trying wait what
47:38he said hey
47:39I weeded out
47:40a bad friend
47:40in your family
47:41oh my gosh
47:41this is what I'm
47:43talking about
47:43this is why I can't
47:45do this
47:46still on speaking
47:47terms with this
47:47person
47:48no my entire
47:49family dishonored
47:50her
47:50no
47:51she was my
47:52friend too
47:53like that's what
47:53like she would
47:54see me cry and
47:55struggle and all
47:55these things with
47:56Dakota and be
47:57helping me when
47:58I think she was
47:58a snake in the
47:59fucking grass
47:59it's disgusting
48:00do you feel like
48:02you owe her
48:02parents an apology
48:03a hundred percent
48:04and I reached out
48:05to your mom
48:06and asked her
48:06well he was
48:07making threats
48:08to Taylor
48:08it is so wild
48:09this is because
48:10I come out
48:11with the truth
48:11didn't you just
48:12sex me last night
48:13you should tell
48:13your new boyfriend
48:14that we're gonna
48:15move out
48:15the one that you
48:15like a lot
48:16didn't you just
48:16say that today
48:17you should probably
48:18tell him how you
48:18were talking to me
48:19last night
48:19oh look at that
48:20we have
48:21look at you denying
48:21I don't have a
48:22boyfriend
48:22I'm single
48:23I'm single
48:24just take a couple
48:25of breaths
48:25this is getting a
48:26little crazy
48:27you should have him
48:28show up because
48:28he's lying
48:28he's a papa out of
48:29this I want to go
48:30back to Leanne and
48:30Jeremy
48:31I mean this is the
48:32worst time for me to
48:33do it I was actually
48:34going to do it and
48:35it was going to be
48:35very genuine but now
48:36it's like I'm so
48:37heated
48:37yeah this is not
48:38giving happy holidays
48:39okay let's welcome
48:41in Leanne and Jeremy
48:42I need a dunking
48:49refresher
48:49obviously
48:50berry
48:51sangria
48:51yes
48:52there you go
48:54thank you
48:56welcome back to the
49:02Secret Lives of
49:03Mormon Wives season
49:04three reunion
49:05we've had more drama
49:07than a high school
49:08Christmas pageant
49:09we have mom talk
49:10and dad talk here
49:11with us along with
49:12Leanne and Jeremy
49:13and Demi and Brett
49:15Demi I know you had
49:17a rough time out there
49:17and I really appreciate
49:19you coming back
49:20yeah thank you
49:21Dakota has something
49:23he'd like to say to
49:24Taylor's parents but
49:25first Brett has
49:26something he'd like to
49:27get off his chest
49:27I'd like to apologize
49:29to Miranda in my
49:30heated phone conversation
49:31with me said something
49:33that I don't mean even
49:35remotely
49:35we had a brief
49:37conversation with
49:37Miranda and she just
49:39basically was insinuating
49:40that I'm a liar and you
49:42said she shoved you and
49:43I'm like well I don't
49:44know what would you call
49:45it I don't know what to
49:46call it he came up and
49:47pushed my head
49:48what I said was
49:55unacceptable and it was
49:57really representative of
49:58how I was feeling about
49:59this situation as a
50:00whole just feeling like
50:01the whole thing was just
50:02so kind of out of bounds
50:03and so trashy the way
50:05that I felt like she was
50:06being treated and you
50:08were the last person that
50:09she interacted with so
50:10unfortunately you were
50:11you were on the receiving
50:12end of kind of the
50:13pinnacle of my
50:14frustration and you
50:15didn't deserve that
50:15and I'm really sorry
50:17it was tensions were
50:20really high at that
50:20time I do wish that you
50:23know this wasn't just
50:24happening on camera I
50:25wish maybe it was
50:25something that was said
50:26earlier and I'm not
50:28saying that I don't that
50:29it's not an authentic
50:29apology I just I do think
50:31that the timing of it is
50:32a little bit unfortunate
50:33I just so you know I
50:35felt sick to my stomach
50:36just hearing myself I
50:37didn't even remember
50:37saying that I was like
50:39seeing red in the
50:41moment and I really my
50:42apology really is
50:43sincere I
50:44I really I'm sorry
50:45I appreciate it thank
50:46you yay one apology
50:49accepted Dakota I know
50:51there's something you'd
50:52like to say to Leanne
50:52so just go ahead
50:54uh obviously I I know
50:57that I fucked up I
51:00just think like I think
51:02I knew I was gonna lose
51:03you guys and that I
51:06don't know I think I
51:09kind of numbed out maybe
51:10a little bit
51:11um and I think it was
51:14just hard to me and
51:15Taylor obviously we're
51:16just not in a good
51:17place and that I think
51:18it was just like even
51:19harder but I am truly
51:22sorry because I know
51:24that that caused a lot
51:26of pain obviously for
51:27Taylor but for you guys
51:28as well and your family
51:29and I don't think I
51:31realized the magnitude
51:33maybe of even what I
51:34did I don't expect you
51:36guys to forgive me I
51:37don't expect anything like
51:38that but I do just want
51:40you to know like I know
51:41I messed up I I know
51:42that I caused a lot of
51:44pain for all of you
51:45guys and that's all I
51:49can do right now is I'm
51:51sorry
51:51Leanne Jeremy I just
51:55don't understand like
51:57why why yeah you do
52:02that behind your
52:04girlfriend that's
52:05pregnant with your baby
52:07that's sickening I think
52:09that bugs me Dakota is
52:11you're just like one of
52:13those people that you
52:13just can't help but to
52:15love but then you get
52:16really get to know you
52:17you're not that person
52:19you're just a different
52:20person like behind
52:21closed doors you have
52:23your virtue you're it's
52:25like been taken away
52:26you're so dishonest you're
52:27so like I just don't
52:28know how you could keep
52:29lying and you know
52:31what the thing that
52:31hurts the most is that
52:33she's my kid and you
52:35hurt my grandbaby like
52:36you hurt ever he's the
52:38one that's gonna pay for
52:40all your guys's crappy
52:42decisions that you both
52:43have made
52:44I can't accept anything
52:48that comes out of your
52:49mouth because it's all
52:50bullshit dude you have
52:52proven yourself time and
52:54time again that nothing
52:55that comes out of your
52:56mouth is just spewing
52:57bullshit so I can't
53:01accept any sorry from
53:02you or nothing I mean our
53:04last reunion he was
53:05sitting here crying and
53:06our host was asking do
53:08you think you can be an
53:09honest person he's
53:10crying yes I've said
53:12everything I've said it
53:13all like I can do this
53:14yes I love Taylor but he's
53:15still lying about right I
53:17didn't know I learned
53:18after the reunion I'll do
53:19anything to uh just like
53:23have that opportunity to be
53:25with her and my family and
53:27um this is so hard because
53:33that's like I just went
53:35about everything the worst
53:37way Taylor Dakota where do
53:40you guys think you go from
53:42here as co-parents I would
53:43obviously love to get to a
53:45spot of like being cordial for
53:47the sake of our son because
53:48he ultimately my mom is
53:49saying he's the one who is
53:51this gonna suffer from all of
53:52this this is a law on me that
53:54I chose him to be his dad
53:56wait you don't think I'm a
53:58good dad Taylor are you
53:59gonna let me finish so I
54:01feel when I look at ever I'm
54:02like this is my fault I did
54:04this I chose to do this I'm
54:06so sorry that I chose to
54:08have a child with this
54:09person however they feel
54:10they're justified the one
54:12thing I want to just stand
54:13on is I've seen him be a
54:14dad and like I think
54:15Dakota's a great dad I will
54:16never ever have anyone tell
54:19me I'm not okay because I
54:20know that with every single
54:21fiber in my heart okay I
54:23just like you know what
54:24Taylor out of anybody you
54:25know how much I care about
54:26ever did you listen I said
54:28it's on me I feel guilty
54:29it's how you're wording
54:30things about it I mean
54:31every word I think it's not
54:33about this you know we were
54:35giving you the opportunity
54:36to apologize yeah to them
54:38you you did they don't
54:42accept that apology that's
54:43fine um I we can't just
54:46like keep yeah keep at it
54:49keep at it like we can't do
54:50that that's it I'm done
54:52fucking stupid fucking
54:54my god folks we're not done
54:56yet folks we're not done
54:57yet oh shit I told them
54:59we're not done they want
55:00that fuck that I'm good
55:01I want anything good I'm just
55:05gonna say I just feel for
55:06Dakota honestly did I care
55:08for him absolutely is this
55:10painful duh I loved him I
55:12wanted to be with him I had a
55:13child with him so yes it's
55:15fucking painful hurts to co-parent
55:17to this very day I do it
55:19every day and it's the worst
55:20things I've ever done
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