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00:00Yeah, I heard it was messy.
00:02Wait, but why wouldn't she come?
00:04Dakota told me yesterday, she was like, I'm not coming tomorrow.
00:08If Dakota's coming.
00:10Is Dakota coming?
00:11We'll see.
00:14You guys, I lost my wedding ring.
00:16Is that like a sign?
00:17I have this one, but the one that Sydney made and all my bands, gone.
00:22Brett can sit next to me if no one wants to sit next to me.
00:25So you guys have big issue with Brett, is that what I need to understand here?
00:28I don't care to talk to him.
00:30I don't care to interact with him.
00:31Apparently, Demi is going out of her way to get a cease and desist.
00:34I think Demi and Brett specifically, they have more skeletons in their closet.
00:38And so if they can flip that narrative and talk badly about Jen, it covers them up.
00:43And it's so exhausting and so annoying.
00:48Welcome.
00:49What's going on?
00:50Are you okay?
00:52Yeah, great.
00:53Come on out with it.
00:54I mean, we will.
00:55We have all day for that.
00:56Yeah.
00:58Maybe use this as like an opportunity to get everything off of your chest.
01:06Maybe the fucker's not here.
01:08He's going to watch it, obviously.
01:09My stupid brain won't shut up.
01:11Like, I'm like getting ready.
01:11I'm like already heated.
01:13And I'm like, shut up.
01:14Dear Heavenly Father, we want to thank Thee for the opportunity we have to come together today.
01:28We pray that we can have the strength to stand by our own principles and our own values, as well as listen to those who may have differing opinions.
01:35And we say these things in the name of Jesus Christ.
01:37Amen.
01:37Amen.
01:38All right, you guys.
01:39Seeker Live, season three of Reunion.
01:44Gorgeous, gorgeous girls.
01:47Hi, Scott.
01:47Welcome to you.
01:48You look beautiful.
01:50You do, too.
01:51Is this your first hosting?
01:53No, I did Villa.
01:54So this is my second one.
01:55Oh, Reunion you hosted?
01:56Yeah.
01:57Okay, I didn't watch it for obvious reasons, but it wasn't because of you.
02:01Yeah, no, it's okay.
02:07I would love to hear your truth, Brett.
02:09Like, just tell us where you're coming from.
02:12The biggest problem I think I have with everybody is the knee-jerk reaction to Demi saying that she was a victim was to not believe her.
02:21The only reason I ever brought up you having sex with Marciano was because he told me that that's what happened.
02:26It didn't happen.
02:27He did tell us you guys kissed.
02:29So I'm hearing that.
02:30Yeah.
02:31False.
02:31There was not a kiss in the mouth.
02:33There was two ass grabs.
02:35If he actually assaulted you, why did you continue to talk to him?
02:39Just the classic case of victim blaming.
02:42Can we agree that she was, like, flirting and having long conversations and, like, building a relationship with a guy like she just met?
02:48She wasn't building a relationship with him.
02:50Not flirty at all.
02:51You would feel comfortable sending to another woman that you're swallowing cum?
02:56I'm not wired like you, bud.
02:57You should rewire yourself.
02:59Oh, yeah.
02:59That's disturbing.
03:00Okay.
03:01All right, little guy.
03:02It's the Lulu land, dude.
03:04What'd you say?
03:05You guys live in a different universe.
03:07I had no idea that pathological lying was contagious, but I guess it is.
03:13I don't even know why you're here.
03:14Just walk away.
03:15Everyone's being nice to you.
03:17People just talk shit behind your back because you're a shitty person.
03:20Hey, the feeling's neutral, dipshit, just so you know.
03:22Good.
03:22And it's so hard to take you seriously with your little munchkin voice.
03:25Oh, nice, bro.
03:26You're a big guy.
03:27I think that's a little steep, and I don't think anything good is going to come from talking like that.
03:31Let's just stop provoking each other just for a minute.
03:34Nice to finally meet you in person.
03:36I know.
03:36I've heard a lot, and people always haven't seen your show, but they're like, you remind me of Stasi.
03:43Obviously, I need to go watch it because I'm like, I want to see.
03:45And now I don't want you to see it because I just don't want you to judge me in my 20s.
03:49It's not who you are now, I'm sure.
03:51Oh, is it like a long time ago?
03:52Yeah, I was like 22 when I started it.
03:55I'm 37 now.
03:56I am your elder.
03:57The crazy thing to me, Zach, about you and Jen.
03:59Let's just watch this.
04:01I'm going to keep talking.
04:02I don't care to talk to you.
04:03I don't care to talk to you to me.
04:04I don't care to talk about any of that stuff.
04:06That's your story.
04:07The feeling's mutual, bud.
04:08So that's perfect.
04:09And I'm going to talk to you.
04:11I'm here.
04:12So we're going to talk.
04:14Welcome to the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, the season three reunion.
04:18I'm your host, Stasi Schroeder.
04:20And the holidays must have come early this year because we've got some gifts in store for you.
04:25We've decked the halls, lined the trees, and pulled out all the red carpets for our very merry Mormon wives
04:31to look back at a very memorable season.
04:33Ladies, I am dazzled.
04:36I'm delighted to be a part of this.
04:38Not just because I am a huge fan, but because, like, I have been exactly in your shoes.
04:44I've dated the bad boy, argued allegations, had the fallouts, and managed the fame.
04:49Last time this cast was on this stage, y'all had a medic in the back and a pregnancy suite in the dressing room.
04:57Since then, we've had some very exciting updates.
05:00Take a look.
05:01It's like 3.45 in the morning, and my water just broke.
05:06I'm nervous.
05:07I'm nervous.
05:10I'm nervous.
05:15I'm nervous.
05:17I'm nervous.
05:19That was crazy.
05:21Hey!
05:21oh wait so cute
05:26mikaela did you have underwear on when you were giving birth in a shower no honestly i was so
05:32blacked out at that point like i was in another planet um but no it was a little monitoring strap
05:37oh macy and mikaela there's a conspiracy theory that you both named your daughters charlotte
05:44is this true we actually didn't we didn't it's a joke it's a conspiracy
05:49so yeah shut the fuck up i always liked the name ladi it was like my one that i had throughout
05:55that i was like okay i'm sticking to this yeah and i knew that macy had charlie on her list i
06:00didn't even know what name she was naming her baby until like two days after birth wait so you guys
06:04neither of your child's name is charlotte no no i was god jen you shared so much about like your
06:14struggles while you were pregnant i think it's just like prenatal like yeah depression i think i
06:22first started feeling depressed when i realized what needed to change in my life and in my marriage
06:29but it wasn't until after i found out i was pregnant that i truly hit rock bottom i don't even know what
06:37happened yesterday oh jen oh my god how are you feeling now postpartum yeah um sorry oh my gosh
06:51sorry it's just crazy to see how far i've come it's just me sorry i'm okay oh my little penny with so
07:00much hair it's just crazy to see um her now i just love her so much and she's like literally
07:10everything to me i remember when i found out i was pregnant with her i was genuinely disappointed
07:16because i felt like i wasn't ready but everything happens for a reason and she is like the reason why
07:22i'm healed to this day sorry i'm sure people have come reached out to you about oh my gosh thank you
07:29for being so open about what you went through because you are helping people yes right now oh
07:33yeah prenatal depression and postpartum is not talked about enough re-watching that just made me
07:39realize like oh my gosh like i can't believe i'm here and i'm in a better place and i feel like i'm
07:44genuinely happier and it's because of her so i love that our babies always save us they really do
07:50that was not mature how we did it let's just talk okay i genuinely want to know let's start over
07:55seriously where i am hurt and have feelings towards you and demi is you know the hell that i was going
08:01through i came to you like i looked up to you as like this older you know person i could get advice
08:05from and i felt like we talked and you gave me a lot of good advice i'm sorry to hear that i genuinely
08:11am and i didn't know the extent to which jen was hurting come here was that thought you're gonna
08:18beat my ass i'm not gonna do that demi how are you i'm good how are you back in mom talk i'm back
08:25no i was shocked whitney came back because dancing with the stars but i didn't know why you came back
08:33i just felt like there was unfinished business yeah and i felt like there was a pattern of
08:38self-sabotage and watching myself back i'm like oh there's my shadow there's like the sides of me that
08:43need to be healed and for me i'm like no i deserve to be here and i have you know a story to tell so
08:48yeah i'm excited i'm excited to be back well good to have you here thank you from breakups to makeups
08:55and a few massive shakeups mom talk and co have kept things moving and kept us guessing so tonight
09:01we are leaving no stone unturned no tea unspilled and no duncan refresher unstirred we will be joined
09:09by a slew of surprise guests popping in as our fabulous duncan sip and tellers at our duncan
09:14bev bar let's get to the chase oh no oh no ladies mom talk how we doing
09:25apparently i was unanimously requested by everyone here to be the bartender
09:31that's a full-blown line maybe taylor we got some drinks for everyone here snacks just stay
09:38behind the bar i don't need to get touched again at least you used touched instead of
09:42taylor chase thank you you go oh it's really good we've got some questions for you chase
09:50is it weird to be sitting like behind taylor i'm normally next door oh oh lord he'd rather
09:56be on top or bottom though let's talk about your date um should we kiss for our friend's sake
10:06taylor did you know it was a date no not really i think it was like he wanted to just apologize
10:16i don't know why it's such a big deal i'm not married to miranda anymore okay miranda did you know
10:21about this date from what i heard it was a coffee meetup to put water into the bridge that's what i
10:29heard that's not a date it just felt like there were a few details left out and that's really where
10:36my confusion came from right okay i mean i would be annoyed too so yeah chase taylor where do you guys
10:44think you go from here we'll see i don't know
10:50okay all right so it looks like we're all gonna have to watch this on season four and we have so
10:59much to get through thanks chase for the sip and telling all right you know we love a little game
11:07around here so tonight whether you're sipping on hot cocoa a cola or a cosmo we've got a buzzword for
11:15you every time you hear the word accountability we invite all of you at home to take a sip
11:22we're gonna get alcohol poisoning you still can't sit here and just take accountability say you're
11:25right i'm here for this i know that's your favorite word oh god the accountability it's like
11:31the favorite word jesse took accountability and i take full accountability but again this is to
11:37take accountability and you're the lack of accountability you're just taking accountability
11:41we don't hear any accountability i get it should we look up the definition because i think a lot of
11:45people in this group don't even know what it means accountability is the state of being held
11:50responsible for something or someone take accountability accountability accountability i'm not
11:56even gonna say the word accountability holy shit we use that word way too much but take accountability
12:01accountability i love that scene alone had like 12 i'm the only one not in that montage i don't buy
12:08into it wow jesse gold star whitney at one point this past season you called the other women your
12:18co-workers like what inspired this change of heart because it looked like overnight you were like i want
12:25everyone to be friends again honestly i feel like it was more so during press week i think like it was
12:30just to me and i and then it was everyone else these were huge milestones that we were all accomplishing
12:36together so it's like it's kind of sad that like we can't even be work friends macy i want to ask you
12:42why she went to you to heal mom talk at first when she approached me i was like this is a bad idea and
12:48then i was like okay well we can try it and i can't make any promises that people aren't gonna break
12:52out in a fight but i think it was cool because it took every single one of us had to be vulnerable
12:56and open up or else it wouldn't have gone the way that it did went better than i thought it did it
13:00went better than i thought it would yeah i feel like i'm good with every single one of you i would
13:04consider every single one of you one of my friends yeah well the guys have been patiently waiting
13:10backstage but i think it's time we bring them out to join the fun dad talk come on out
13:16see you out there i'm nervous about going
13:21here to join in on the fun are jace jordan connor zach and jacob i was just in london
13:32filming the next season of banner pub villa and some of you guys were there how was the villa guys
13:37zach why did you turn bright red i just saw some things oh what oh would you see
13:45those aren't my secrets to share i will say he was a little testy when he came home from london
13:50so i was like you've been hanging out with jordan too much it's a little spicy it's not usually spicy
13:55what happened in england you're gonna have to wait and tune in just wait
13:59all right more of that on season four of secret lives of mormon wives now if you need a drink at home
14:07grab a chaser and for anyone here just grab chase let's see who else is behind the bar
14:12mason why is your shirt on
14:24so you guys are official official official how are you
14:30mason is chase's brother and he's freaking hot i used to see chase and i see you
14:38do you think it's weird to be honest
14:40i don't know i guess it's not weird i saw chase a year ago now i know that mason was interested in
14:47me first before chase was so i just accidentally tried out the wrong brother first and now we're
14:53doing redo
14:53also layla so i hear mason has met your kids yes yes do they love him did he pass the test
15:04i fear they're obsessed with him the other day when we were on that head yeah because he looks
15:09like tarzan have they seen that movie i always every single time they're eating they're like i'm
15:12gonna eat all my food so i get big bus big muscles like mason i'm like oh okay so smart i have
15:19to ask who's a better kisser definitely mason i was gonna ask his bigger i want to shift gears
15:28from mason and layla and talk about another relationship mikaela and jace you guys were
15:34very vulnerable about your struggles this season i feel like i've made a lot of strides with
15:40my past sexual abuse but as far as the intimacy issues i feel like it's been one area that i
15:46haven't been able to progress at all intimacy for me is really important it's like a deal
15:53breaker i think it's someone else's fault that took things and stole things from you and if
15:56i'm frustrated i'm frustrating at those people i'm not frustrated with you mikaela how does
16:03it feel hearing jace say not having intimacy is an issue for him sorry i'm just gonna take
16:10a second sorry i'm just gonna take a second sorry it's still really fresh everything that i'm working
16:35through you know it's a really big need of his and i think he's been very patient with me
16:41mikaela's been amazing i think that she's handling it better than i could have in her situation have
16:49things improved at all since the finale since that time i feel like i haven't had my body or felt in my
16:56body for a long time because of my health issues also she had a baby she carried that baby to term
17:03and push that baby out and then after having the baby it's like my health stuff all came back 180
17:08overnight and then for him it's still hard because we're still having the intimacy issues and i'm like
17:12i don't know how to overcome and i think that's what's hard yeah jesse you look like you're getting
17:20emotional yeah um i actually loved watching mikaela's story because i knew that it happened to her but
17:30seeing it play out and like seeing her thoughts and feelings behind it um i can relate i i've been
17:36doing a lot of therapy because of mine and jordan's situation and i actually uncovered the memory that i
17:40was raped when i was 19 and um it really it like started a lot of my um issues um about like going
17:54emotionally numb and pushing people away and feeling not good enough and after uncovering that um
18:01me and jordan already had our struggles but it made it worse like i i don't exactly like i i don't
18:08want him to touch me and it's not his fault but like it's so crazy how your body reacts it's not just
18:14your emotions you know um so yeah that's just been another layer of healing for me but watching her
18:20story like it just really hit home for me and i i understand fully how that can feel connor what's
18:27going through your head right now i'm so sorry jesse
18:37i feel like i can't relate in the same way i struggled with intimacy in polarizing ways and i don't
18:46want to speak for michaela or jesse or anyone else but it can be challenging to rewire your brain at
18:52least for me the two polarizing parts are like please don't touch me i don't have control here
18:58and it scares me to i want to have like hypersexuality like i want to have as much sex as possible to put
19:03distance between me and that event i just need to get that out of my system so i don't know if i can
19:11necessarily relate with your relationships but i do know that the patience that you are giving your
19:17spouses is healing and it is breeding intimacy between the both of you i feel like that's one
19:24good thing that has come from the fame i think it has pushed a lot of us out of our comfort zone i
19:28don't know when i would have talked about it for me i would probably just push it away till i was 40 or
19:3250 so i think this is a great thing like all the conversations that we've had i think are amazing and
19:37i think they're helping so many people that are watching so i think that's my that's my pro to me
19:43are you okay
19:49what is this triggering for you i think just like deep deep wounds and things for me that i haven't fully
19:56uncovered and things i know i've been through that i've blocked out as well and then just listening to
20:05you guys talk about it is like it's so sad that we're sitting here in a room and like how many
20:11people in this room have experienced something like this to a degree and then with everything that
20:16i went through the past year not to compare because what i went through was not even close to what
20:25most everyone has gone through but it triggered a lot of really horrible things that have happened in my
20:31life so to not be believed and be questioned and like be called a liar um yeah that it was just
20:43horrible so i'm touched to like hear the way you guys are talking about it and connor when you talk
20:48about it it's like my little younger self is like getting the hug that i needed you guys should be so
20:56proud of yourselves thank you for being so open all of you i feel like you're going to help so many
21:02people by talking about it we have a former member of dad talk waiting to join us and now
21:08feels like a good time let's bring out brett he's joined us here now how are you doing doing well happy
21:16to be here good so for the past two seasons fans have been wondering what really happened with marciano
21:22and mom talk we've read receipts reviewed recaps and for some reason still haven't wrapped this up
21:29take a look so i met with marciano and he told me that you guys have been having an affair the past
21:36couple months he told me that you guys had sex oh my fucking hell i can't we did not have sex there's
21:44dark parts of me that just sometimes want to throw up my hands and just say i don't want to do this
21:49anymore are you still the person that i want to be with it ultimately led to us deciding to separate
21:56did demi tell you to say that you slept with jesse yeah did you and demi kiss in italy oh god you guys
22:03if i go admitted to that i just don't want war i know marciano was hurt by me ending things abruptly
22:09so it does make sense that he would join forces with demi because he wanted revenge
22:13oh what who is that marciano he said uninvited to the function because a 30 year old mormon wife
22:21scared to tell her husband the truth and then to be commented she goes grown men acting like a child
22:26because they couldn't bag a married woman and then she commented another night also she got uninvited
22:31because he's a sexual predator he's not a sexual he's not no he's not a predator i think the biggest
22:36thing for me that's triggering right now is not feeling believed and not feeling like people truly
22:41want to understand she knows how to bulldoze you in conversation she has a way of making people
22:46believe her never once did i feel it for him we've never kissed in our life i've never even told him
22:53he was cute period the end my gut is telling me everything is calculated i definitely think she's
22:59a threat to mom talks foundation the band is officially back together we still have a lot to work
23:03on but i do feel a little more hopeful because i am seeing patterns and behaviors that i needed to see
23:08before i personally feel like the things that i've needed to face i've faced so are you ready to
23:14officially move back in i'm over the moon about having a chance to take another stab at this
23:22so jesse you had an emotional affair with marciano what did he provide for you emotionally
23:32i always say like it honestly could have been anyone at home i just was feeling not seen not
23:37appreciated not loved i couldn't do anything right so just to have someone who like thought i was cool
23:42or funny or just like didn't see those negative things like it was just someone getting me attention
23:47in a positive way and not putting me down all the time do you regret though cheating yeah i wish i
23:52would have just left jordan at that time instead of cheating i truly was like if i do something like
23:58this like that will get me out it was almost like well he hasn't hit me he hasn't done anything like
24:03that so like it was really hard to like justify leaving but emotional abuse and that toxicity
24:08can drain you and it did and it made me a person i'm not proud of macy i know you had a lot of
24:13opinions about this yeah no it's hard i've obviously someone who's been through an abusive relationship
24:19and i know theirs isn't the same as mine but i think for me i like that jordan was finally owning
24:24things but i was also like as long as you we had the action behind it because words are just words
24:28unless there's action put behind it um but yeah no i mean it's not something you want to hear
24:32about your friend that's why i'm always really protective taylor but at the end of the day i
24:35know they have to make their own choices so i try to stay in one relationship at a time and do
24:40what i can so it's like i'm not trying to jump too deep into jesse now i will say i do remember him
24:45taking his part of being like i did mess up i did do this to her and i did do that and there was no
24:50buts after and so i appreciated that part of it but behind closed doors when you go home with him i
24:55don't know how that was so we all don't know that part so only they can speak on that one
24:59well jesse do you feel like jordan has put action behind it yeah we've been in therapy for a while
25:04and i have seen a lot of changes i will say like i wouldn't still be here if that wasn't happening
25:09unfortunately healing isn't overnight so we've had setbacks and there are still things i worry about
25:14but overall i do feel like he's taken what i've said and applied a lot of it i just need time to see
25:20if it's going to feel genuine you know jordan how do you feel about that i've had to make
25:25changes and i've had to look at myself in the mirror and like think about like the kind of
25:29person that i want to be not for jesse but for myself like i am i'm proud of myself for the changes
25:35that i've made and i really hope that those changes are enough to have a chance at saving my family
25:42well there was even more drama behind the scenes the night layla broke the news of jesse's affair
25:48take a look at this extended cut of one of the phone calls between jesse and marciano
25:55i'm just gonna go like this
25:59so i was told that you said we had sex you know that that's not true so i'm just
26:05confused why it was said that way jesse i'm not gonna get into this agreement with you okay do you
26:09think we had sex uh yeah i mean that's how i remember it we kissed twice that was it okay
26:22no marciano you know that like i i'm just you know that i i i i'm willing to be so open and honest that
26:30i had feelings for you like i was struggling in my marriage but i want it to be the truth
26:34into everything a hundred percent about how you wanted to leave jordan and that you loved me
26:39yes one thousand percent i'm gonna have to like everything's coming out so that's why i just
26:44really want it to be the truth this is the thing is that we're gonna have this
26:47come out be a honest this is so much bigger than you think to me really me i don't buy it into it
26:53i really can't oh my god i gotta go jordan how do you feel watching that well um a little bit um
27:08triggered okay yeah i uh was specifically told by jesse that she never had said that she was gonna
27:18leave me for that piece of shit i didn't say i was gonna leave you for him i told marciano
27:23that's what i'm most likely i'm gonna leave my husband because i'm unhappy right i never said
27:26it was for him and i've told you that footage is what that said he didn't say for me and i never
27:33said for him i might have put that in my own head then yeah okay well then yeah jesse the results of
27:40the lie detector test were inconclusive at parts yeah specifically the parts about contact with marciano
27:48besides two kisses we got the results results are in have you ever had sexual intercourse with
27:53marciano it says no true yeah so you're good on that one number two besides those two kisses have
27:59you ever had any sexual physical contact marciano no
28:02no inconclusive what do you want what can you say i know that looks so bad i was like
28:10shit so in the moment when she asked that question i was like okay nothing else happened besides those
28:15two kisses honestly but in my head i was like hey well i did touch his arm like he did grab me here like
28:20there were things like that but i'm like i don't want to say yes so i said no and then it came back that
28:24way so i understand why because in my head i was having that internal battle at this point though like i know
28:29my truth it did say we didn't have sex and i'm glad that that was cleared up and genuinely nothing
28:34else happened and at this point i would also say it because also we have what do you have to lose
28:39at this point like in half the time i've wanted to leave jordan it would give me a reason genuinely
28:44and i've told him that can i ask you guys just everybody you watch marciano talk like that the way
28:49that he talks how do you give anything that he says any credibility whatsoever i think that's why
28:56it's so messy is because you can't well we know he's not reliable we're just using the facts that
29:00we've seen too yeah it's not what marciano is off his phone it's not what marciano is saying we
29:05clearly know he speaks in riddles when you guys were at the villa in england you guys seemed okay with
29:11marciano no no i i wasn't these yeah i will be honest yeah not not me he did seem like he was a nice
29:20guy there he was charismatic he stayed out of the drama like i felt like he was respectful to jordan
29:24so it was confusing okay demi what do you say about continuing on a friendship and relationship
29:31with him after what you're accusing him of yeah i mean we have to separate the two because
29:38you can be sexually assaulted and then also continue a relationship so one doesn't have to
29:43take away from the other and why i did that i think honestly just boils down to a trauma response
29:50and having a lack of boundaries and feeling like i needed to make excuses for what happened and also
29:56to keep what happened quiet because i didn't want it to come out and like the best way to describe it
30:03is the hell that i've been through for the past year and the women who didn't understand like well
30:08why didn't you want that to come out and i don't understand how that doesn't affect you it's weird
30:11though and i'm again i mean i'm not trying to call you a liar to this day he will double down on
30:16a few things and one of those things is when we're demi and i were leaving the villa we kissed
30:20on the lips no i did not because it was off camera jen when you say things like it was off camera why
30:26are you saying that as though you know to me i've seen enough things did happen between demi and marciano
30:32whether she wants to admit it or not i mean she was literally right next to him like grabbing his hands
30:37like googly eyes like talking laughing like it for sure did not seem like a married woman was talking
30:46to another single man with boundaries did you see anything happen off camera i i hate to say the
30:52word but like again i just haven't seen any accountability did you see anything no i didn't
30:58happen no i didn't i did it why did you say you did why are you saying why did you why did you
31:04threaten because of the shit i've gone through for the past year jen which you don't fucking
31:09understand because you've never been sexually assaulted yes i actually have uh she has she has
31:13and i haven't she has okay then why then have some fucking respect yeah because i was too
31:20i'm not talking to you you're talking to my wife yeah i'm talking to your wife i'm talking to your
31:24wife then talk respectfully i will talk to her how i feel like she deserves to be talked to i've done
31:29nothing to jen she's made my life i'm living you've done nothing to me you bullied me after you went
31:36you sat in the thing we're here for you we know what happened we're over on your side five seconds
31:40later you turn to mikaela and go if she comes from next season i'm exposing this what the
31:45is wrong with you what the actual is wrong with your brain
31:53what the is wrong with you what the actual is wrong with your brain how do you feel about your
31:58wife texting the word come to another man how do you feel about that jen listen no listen to what i'm
32:04going to tell you just listen i'll answer your question answer my question i'm asking i started
32:07asking how do you how do you feel about that the word come so just with respect is that appropriate
32:10with respect just listen okay but it's hard to be respectful when it's not being reciprocated okay
32:15answer your question and that's what happens with us it's got to go both ways i know i understand if
32:19you want to be heard out you got to hear other people here's the problem because there's 20 different
32:22things that we could say you're the one telling people to shut their fucking mouth all right zach
32:26come on but don't don't i'm not going to be disrespectful to jen don't be just disrespectful to
32:30to me please please listen jen the question i have for you is she's telling me to shut my
32:37fucking mouth can you listen are you trying to avoid my question i don't understand why you keep
32:42interrupting please jen i am asking you if you didn't see the things that you said you saw why
32:50did you say you did why did you say you saw her sitting on his lap why did you say you saw her kiss
32:54him on the lips and before you answer just know there's there's footage like the whole thing was
32:59filmed we just need to stop this is clearly not the place so i feel like why don't we talk about
33:05demi and jesse's relationship their friendship you guys were best friends thick as thieves always
33:10together and now it's like how would you describe your friendship today i watched it fall apart yeah
33:17i would say that we've made strides and we've talked about things but i have walls up because i
33:22don't fully trust and i think she did multiple things to me back to back to back to back so i i don't
33:28quite understand certain things and i think because of that i still have a huge guard up to
33:31me how do you feel about her your friendship yeah it's almost as though we haven't had conversations
33:35like when i hear her say that and it's like i don't understand to me i'm confused because we've talked
33:40this through so many times my intention from start to finish was so that this never
33:47fucking came to light and in placating and being nice to marciano he was gonna go on a podcast
33:53and i was like i need to control how this plays out why were you so involved in my because i was
34:00trying to keep him at bay i understand because i did it but i was trying to hide something i did
34:05wrong so why did you feel like you had to placate because i didn't want to go through what i've been
34:09going through the past year and have to talk about this at all i feel like this is an impossible situation
34:14because right before this we just saw you know everyone's talking about sexual assault and you
34:18clearly see to me crying and like that's a super sensitive topic i think the reason we want to have
34:23these conversations is because when we say it doesn't add up we're not trying to say you're a
34:27liar discredit you but like in our minds from what we know it doesn't macy how uncomfortable would it be
34:32if you got and i'm sorry i'm not trying to be insensitive but you got raped by your abuser or you
34:38got slapped or whatever and then afterwards you're like i love you and then later they're like macy it's
34:43really weird that you said i love you yeah i don't like when you do that being in a relationship
34:49with someone is so different than someone you knew for two days i'm sorry the problem is that you got
34:53becoming the the judge jury and executioner as to how she reacted well she put me in a really bad
34:58position so i have every right to question her too i'm sorry this is a tit for tap for you yeah it has
35:02to be this is and i'm about to walk off then go how do we get to the bottom of this if people
35:08why are you i don't think why are you acting this way towards me you would be because i'm still
35:13confused i want answers it's all these things where we're like this doesn't add up i just don't
35:18appreciate the lies the lies pissed me off so bad because it's affected my life for the past year
35:23in a very negative way and jen's off living her merry life on dancing with the stars raking in dollar
35:28bills and i'm a lying villain you don't think bullying me affected me sweetie how did i bully you
35:34how did you believe me you treated me like you were lying about me and then you
35:40expected me to have this wave of empathy for you because you were having a hard time
35:47i think that this is this is going to have to be a larger conversation i don't think this is going to
35:51be wrapped up today i think too much but do you see what we just have quite we just we want to talk
35:56about i truly hope you all can find a way to move forward with all of this but we need to move on
36:04with the reunion we have another guest coming i am kindly requesting all of your cooperation
36:11our next guest only agreed to participate if the ladies of mom talk exited the stage while their
36:17interview takes place out of respect for that request i am asking taylor macy michaela jen jesse
36:26layla miranda demi and whitney to follow our stage manager back to their dressing rooms where they can
36:33continue watching the reunion the means example where she if there weren't cameras they would
36:45have been like oh did i physically assault you would you tell people that that i was like that i put my
36:50hands on you which is an assault like i i for a while was like am i gonna get strung out as like
36:54someone who hits girls yeah all because of you know she was at an emotional high and i think
37:01i'd love to chat with her about that because i've never been able to our experiences are valid and it's
37:05like muddied because of this stupid fucking asshole that's lied and sorry but jen who's lied and put all
37:12these things in your head that never happened okay she's not telling why she's telling her experience and
37:18she saw you be flirting the villain so did all of us i will never put myself in a situation like that again
37:22and that sucks especially when you've been in that situation and it like brings up old stuff like
37:28then you start really blaming yourself for like what they do it's more painful to not be believed
37:34than to say or not to go over it over and over and over and feel the pain of past things
37:40than to just say fuck yeah we kissed fuck yeah this happened i'd rather something fucking happened at
37:46this point it's excruciating and it's ruining my reputation and we hear you and we hear you i'm not
38:00i want to go home
38:18don't feel like you have to go out there no i feel like i have to for me okay for you then let's
38:22fucking do it let's do it i want you to really feel like you're up to it every part of me wants
38:28to run and i'm like no you're gonna stay like you deserve to be here and like you're not gonna let
38:34them win did you leave leave she might have i heard this wailing and i was like what was that noise and
38:40she's outside talking to somebody i saw brett talking yeah right so i don't know if she was leaving or not
38:44okay i know that was a lot but we do have a special guest waiting to come out is everyone ready
39:00oh my gosh did he so he's been watching this whole thing welcome back to the secret lives of mormon
39:06wives season three reunion against all odds and expectations we have dakota here with me and the
39:14rest of dad talk tensions between mom talk and dad talk took a toll on many of our cast members
39:19this season and in an effort to speak his truth dakota agreed to join us tonight on the condition
39:26that taylor and the rest of mom talk be backstage can we turn this up a little bit dakota i was rooting
39:31for you and taylor's relationship and now you can't even be on the same stage with her why are you
39:36little bit you have to admit it's kind of crazy that you kicked the girls okay off of their own
39:42stage i'm just gonna say that was a little more dramatic than i thought it was gonna be
39:46it wasn't supposed to be like that none of the husbands are getting sex tonight that's for sure
39:50connor already did before 8 a.m yeah wow i know all i wanted was just to be able to have like a
39:56good conversation and i think most people would agree that like when me and taylor are together it's
40:01really hard for us to just talk so that was really my own only thing i think that's fair your relationship
40:08with taylor has gotten to a point where she'll be looking for love on the next season of the
40:12bachelorette what happened let's take a look how are you how are things you had him like for 11 days
40:20i did it was like good bonding for us really yeah well i'm sure well yeah i feel so close to him
40:26man the goal is to have healthy co-parenting and to focus on our healing individually i am not going to
40:35be in a relationship until i'm in a healthier spot my roommate went missing this morning
40:44yes we had sex like obviously how about that i love you last night if ever there was a future
40:50for dakota and i there would have to be no more lies no more secrets are taylor and dakota back together
40:56i'm not trying to snitch but during one of the times they were broken up leanne's friend she started
41:02like hitting on him and it kind of turned sexual this is the fourth girl now and it's like it's
41:07a family member i hate you i don't think you like understand how big of a deal this is
41:14i just like want your full transparency dakota came clean to me there's never been anything going on
41:20between me and kota i literally would have only invited him over to cry it out or whatever cry it
41:26out and then fuck you haven't been happy for three years i did my mediation taylor i'm glad that you
41:37took the initiative to contact the attorney and finally set some boundaries i have no choice
41:43we're done sorry can you throw me that water real quick to make you nervous yeah you guys
41:50he's sweating he's like hey what lines did you cover up right now how are you and taylor now i don't i
41:55mean i think probably not good if i had to say like and i don't like that like i wish it was uh i wish
42:06it was better but i just think the emotions are still like really high okay in your words what
42:12happened with taylor's family friend it's been over two years now um so i think when this happened
42:20me and taylor were together for like 10 months we were both in a very toxic cycle for me anyways it
42:26was like i was always getting broken up with and this was like the first like time where she broke
42:31up with me where i guess for me it felt like very legit like it felt like it was real for me this lady
42:37that i had met through taylor's family and was just checking in on me because obviously she
42:43had heard what happened and she was just like being super nice um and then it wasn't it didn't
42:50like get weird did you guys talk about taylor yeah it was about her relationship yeah so like you confided
42:56in her yeah it was just about like how how crappy it is and like how sad i am okay let's see what he
43:02lies about and then i'll go out there and clear it up and then it got to a point to where i'm trying
43:07to think of exactly step by step but it was like yeah think about those lies you're gonna tell she's
43:12just making him feel like a fool it's not that hard to do it's just the facts and then like out of
43:18nowhere i feel like she kind of like came on to me which that i think just kind of surprised me
43:26given in that moment like i didn't actually think that was going to happen if again that's just my
43:31opinion like i really didn't think that was going to happen and then uh and then from there it was
43:38like even the pictures we sent like i know pictures did you yeah by the way yeah yeah which
43:42no no i'm getting to it i just want to make sure i explain this because i don't want things twisted
43:46like even on the the episode i watched one of them and it was like taylor was questioning me i
43:50was like oh there's only one picture sent there's only one picture sent i was referring to she only
43:55sent me one picture there was multiple pictures sent but she only sent me one picture yeah no no no
44:02i only sent one more picture so there's two two pictures what was it what was the picture of
44:07um it was a silhouette so in the silhouette like it was so dark like if i'm being honest
44:12it wasn't like it wasn't super sexual to me like just because of how dark the picture was what
44:21prompted the pic oh yeah this is what i was going to say so and i think what even prop i think what
44:26even prompted the picture was that we were talking about like the gym working out uh being in good
44:32shape like things like that conversation had turned away from you and taylor's relationship yeah
44:37i guess yeah i turned to like that just at that night time just towards the night there who gives
44:41a what time it is it's night time it was night and then i sent a picture of my shirt off
44:50dumb as shit i agree it was stupid i'm not saying it's not yes it was that like flirty though her
44:57picture to you and hell yeah that's where yeah already i was like okay this is like uh yeah like it
45:02but you and taylor weren't together no no she broke up with me i'm about to go out there and
45:08literally annihilate him and then out of nowhere she like freaked out like and was like delete
45:15everything delete everything actually i think it made me have to kind of be like oh damn like this is
45:23like a a big big deal keep going well go ahead with your eyes lies what part where am i i want
45:30to sit by him you can go can i i don't want to sit by him can you give me that water you look pretty
45:35keep going all right i will let me drink welcome ladies thank you thank you so taylor what is not
45:40tracking for you um i mean i think you can kind of gauge when you're stuttering you're like well wait
45:45wait give me a second that's when you're having to keep up with lies you know the extent of what she
45:49was so don't go back on that now does that make sense yeah i see what you're saying that's my
45:53point dakota would just be like i messed up i was so dumb of me he would just look so much better
46:00i think you know that this was up because you confided in jordan about it a hundred percent okay
46:07so you understand why taylor is yes enraged right right okay yeah so what are you trying to defend
46:15defend defend i think it comes off as you kind of defending as if it's nothing can invalidate how
46:21it feels well i think i do that just given the fact that i think you're never just sorry yeah like
46:26if you didn't have any new information you must be here to fully apologize or something well i think
46:35the context of what i just said is new like i watched the episode and i feel like there was
46:39multiple things that were skewed in there what i think that's fair like it was exactly what i
46:47felt like it made it seem like i cheated on you you did that is cheating to me okay but yet you can
46:52do it right when you're broke up when you broke up with me you can go someone else and then come
46:57me right okay so a year later oh we were broke up we were broke up though right oh my god and your
47:02friends will tell you the same thing they'll say you don't owe him that did i cheat does anyone
47:06consider that cheating uh so you're broken up and me moving right so how is that cheating what i did
47:10if i was i don't feel like this is about cheating it's who it is it's who is with leila i know i'm
47:18saying let then let me just talk do you see how the whole thing changed like when you come out and
47:23you're just firing shots at me like i i wanted to just talk this is where i wanted to this was my
47:27whole point go i've apologized to you like a hundred times you've never meant it though yes i have
47:31i've wrote you letters saying sorry a hundred times do you know what you said you said hey i
47:35weeded out a bad friend this is me just trying wait what he said i hey i weeded out a bad friend
47:40in your oh my gosh this is this is what i'm talking about like this is where this is why i can't do
47:45this are you still on speaking terms with this person no my entire family dishonored her no yeah
47:51she was my friend too like that's what like she would see me cry and struggle and all these things
47:56with dakota and be helping me when i think she was a snake in the grass it's disgusting
48:01do you feel like you owe her parents an apology a hundred percent and i reached out to your mom
48:06and asked her well he was making threats to taylor is so wild this is because i come out with the
48:11truth didn't you just sex me last night you should tell your new boyfriend that we're gonna move
48:15out the one that you like a lot didn't you just say that today oh you should probably tell him how
48:18you were talking to me last night oh look at that we have look at you denying it i don't have a
48:22boyfriend i'm single just take a couple of breaths this is getting a little crazy you should have
48:28him chokes he's lying we're gonna move out of this i want to go back to leanne and jeremy i mean this is
48:32the worst time for me to do i was actually going to do it and it was going to be very genuine but now
48:36it's like i'm so heated yeah this is not giving happy holidays okay let's welcome in leanne and jeremy
48:42i need a dunking refresher obviously berry sangria yes there you go thank you
49:00welcome back to the secret lives of mormon wives season three reunion we've had more drama than a
49:07high school christmas pageant we have mom talk and dad talk here with us along with leanne and
49:13jeremy and demi and brett to me i know you had a rough time out there and i really appreciate you
49:19coming back yeah thank you dakota has something he'd like to say to taylor's parents but first brett
49:26has something he'd like to get off his chest um i'd like to apologize to miranda um in my heated
49:31phone conversation with me said something that i don't mean even remotely we had a brief
49:37conversation with miranda and she just basically was insinuating that i'm a liar and you said chase
49:43shoved you and i'm like well i don't know what would you call it i don't know what to call it he
49:46came up and pushed my head what i said was unacceptable and it was really representative
49:58of how i was feeling about this situation as a whole just feeling like the whole thing was just so
50:02kind of out of bounds and so trashy the way that i felt like she was being treated and you were the
50:08last person that she interacted with so unfortunately you were you were on the receiving end of kind of
50:13the pinnacle of my frustration and you didn't deserve that and i'm really sorry it was tensions
50:19were really high at that time i do wish that you know this wasn't just happening on camera i wish maybe
50:25it was something that was said earlier and i'm not saying that i don't that it's not an authentic
50:29apology i just i do think that the timing of it is a little bit unfortunate i i just so you know i
50:35felt sick to my stomach just hearing myself i didn't even remember saying that i was like
50:39seeing red in the moment and i really my apology really is sincere i i really i'm sorry i appreciate
50:46it thank you yay one apology accepted dakota i know there's something you'd like to say to leanne
50:53so just go ahead uh obviously i i know that i've fucked up i just think like i think i knew i was
51:03gonna lose you guys and that i don't know i think i kind of numbed out maybe a little bit
51:13and i think it was just hard to me and taylor obviously were just not in a good place and that
51:17i think it was just like even harder but i am truly sorry because i know that that caused a lot
51:25of pain obviously for taylor but for you guys as well and your family and i don't think i realized
51:32the magnitude maybe of even what i did i don't expect you guys to forgive me i don't expect anything
51:38like that but i do just want you to know like i know i messed up i i know that i caused a lot of pain
51:44for all of you guys and that's all i can do right now is i i'm sorry leanne jeremy i just don't
51:56understand like why why yeah you do that behind your girlfriend that's pregnant with your baby that's
52:08sickening i think that bugs me dakota you're just like one of those people that you just can't
52:14help but to love but then you get really get to know you you're not that person you're just a
52:20different person like behind closed doors you have your virtue you're it's like been taken away
52:26you're so dishonest you're so like i just don't know how you could keep lying and you know what
52:31the thing that hurts the most is that she's my kid and you hurt my grandbaby like you hurt ever
52:38he's the one that's gonna pay for all your guys's crappy decisions that you both have made
52:47i can't accept anything that comes out of your mouth because it's all
52:50dude you have proven yourself time and time again that nothing that comes out of your mouth is just
52:56spewing so i can't accept any sorry from you or nothing i mean our last reunion he was sitting here
53:05crying and our host was asking do you think you can be an honest person he's crying yes i've said
53:12everything i've said it all like i can do this yes i love taylor but he's still lying about right i
53:17didn't know i learned after the reunion i'll do anything to uh just like have that opportunity to
53:25be with her and my family and um this is so hard because that's like i just went about everything
53:37the worst way taylor dakota where do you guys think you go from here as co-parents i would obviously love
53:44to get to a spot of like being cordial for the sake of our son because he ultimately my mom is saying he's
53:49the one who is this gonna suffer from all of this this is a law on me that i chose him to be his dad
53:56wait you don't think i'm a good dad taylor are you gonna let me finish so i feel when i look at ever
54:02i'm like this is my fault i did this i chose to do this i'm so sorry that i chose to have a child with
54:09this person however they feel they're justified the one thing i want to just stand on is i've seen him
54:13be a dad and like i think dakota's a great dad i will never ever have anyone tell me i'm not okay
54:20because i know that with every single fiber in my heart okay i i just like you know it taylor out of
54:24anybody you know how much i care about ever did you listen i said it's on me i feel guilty it's how
54:29you're wording things about it i mean every word i think it's not about this you know we were giving
54:35you the opportunity to apologize yeah to them you you did they don't accept that apology that's fine
54:44um i we can't just like keep yeah keep at it keep at it like we can't do that that's it i'm done
54:52i'm just gonna say i just feel for dakota honestly did i care for him absolutely is this painful
55:10duh i loved him i wanted to be with him i had a child with him so yes it's painful hurts to co-parent
55:17to this very day i do it every day and it's the worst things i've ever done
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