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00:11Your dad, were you in a necklace?
00:13It's my dad's fingerprint.
00:15Oh, is it? Yeah.
00:16Oh, that's such a lovely thing.
00:19When did you get that done?
00:21I asked a few more directors to get a print of his fingerprint.
00:30Yeah.
00:32I like.
00:33Yeah, I never take it off.
00:37Some people have described him as a gangster.
00:39How do you do about that term?
00:47It's hard for me to say on that
00:49because it's quite hard to think of your dad like that.
00:57As a gangster?
00:58Yeah.
00:59And I don't think we do.
01:09My dad's house was secluded.
01:13When I was told he had been murdered, I'd actually speak to him a couple of hours before.
01:29He did go to prison.
01:33He did his time.
01:35Now, he was saying, well, that was, you know, it's maybe time for him to have a bit more of a relaxed life.
01:46Did your dad ever get death rash?
01:47Did your dad ever get death rash?
01:48Did your dad ever get death rash?
01:49Did your dad ever get death rats?
01:57Not that I was aware of, no.
02:02He never acted like he was in fear of his life.
02:12All I kept thinking was, why?
02:15Why somebody would even want to kill my dad?
02:19One of Britain's most notorious gangsters, shot at close range.
02:34But who ordered John Palmer's murder, and why?
02:37You can run for a long time, run for a long time, run for a long time.
02:47One of these days gonna cut you down, one of these days gonna cut you down.
02:53Come on, stay off the ropes, stay off the ropes.
03:07Whoa, you're wide open too, wide open there.
03:10John Palmer did four years for timeshare fraud.
03:16While Palmer was inside, his former right-hand man, Mo Durba, moved in on his territory, and ran it like his own empire.
03:24When Palmer got out, his assets were frozen, the Spanish police were sniffing about, and rival gangs were coming in from all directions.
03:36So he did what any old school fighter would do.
03:38He tucked in his chin, he slipped back to Essex, and he took cover.
03:44But for Palmer, this wasn't the kind of game you can just retire from.
03:50Because in his line of work, there's always the risk that someone's gonna come after you with a sucker punch.
03:56And when it finally came to the end, there were actually two killers that took him down.
04:02One with enough money to buy a contract hit, the other came with a silenced pistol.
04:08I've been investigating the murder of John Palmer now for a year.
04:35There's two distinct theories we're looking at at the moment.
04:42First one is Brinks-Matt.
04:49Mickey McAvoy, revenge.
04:51McAvoy was being screwed by people on the outside.
04:55He was violent, and he may have had a motive to kill John Palmer.
05:00And the second theory is that Palmer was killed by the Russian Mafia.
05:04Do you know how much debt Palmer was in?
05:07A million pounds a week.
05:08Interest it is.
05:10That's interest.
05:10That's just interest.
05:11That's just interest.
05:12Wow.
05:12They put out the hit on John Palmer, and assassins carried out the hit.
05:19Over the years, police have chased hundreds of leads without charging anyone.
05:23Rumours and speculation are rife in the press and social media, but there must be more to uncover.
05:28At his old Bailey trial 14 years ago, gangster John Palmer wore a bulletproof vest.
05:37In June, alone and vulnerable in the garden of his Essex home, he was shot dead.
05:42John Palmer's underworld life meant he was a potential target for many years, and he knew it.
05:49The bulletproof vest, this secluded home.
05:52What we know about Palmer's life from the outside at this stage is that he'd made it look like he was in retirement from his criminal activities.
06:03In reality, he'd withdrawn into a fortress.
06:06The house was wired with CCTV covering every angle, and he had four guard dogs on a daily rotation.
06:14So you've got to ask what kind of assassin could breach this level of security, shoot John six times, and vanish without a trace.
06:22So I'm going to meet Philip Boyce, a firearms expert who's 40 years' experience.
06:34We're going to go to the scene, and I'm hoping that Phil can interpret the scene and identify the methodology used by the killer.
06:46Morning, Philip.
06:46Morning.
06:48Morning.
06:48You okay?
06:48Yeah, nice to see you again.
06:51And you, and you.
06:58This is obviously the public footpath.
07:02This is the, that's the house in the foreground.
07:05This is the wooden fence that's the circumference, runs around the circumference of the entire garden.
07:10Is that the original height of the fence?
07:12Yes, yeah.
07:14Quite a big area of property as well.
07:17Yeah, it's massive.
07:18So the path goes off to the, slightly to the left, and there's like a dip down,
07:22and it's over on the, that part of the fence where they say there was a hole,
07:27that the shooter had kept observation on John.
07:31So this is the, effectively the scene.
07:34You've got John Palmer on his lawn tractor, backwards and forwards to an area over here.
07:53Yeah.
07:53Which is where he's burning documents.
08:06The shooter is hiding behind the fence.
08:22Mm-hmm.
08:23No CCTV in this area.
08:32The shooter goes over the fence.
08:34He shoots John three times in the front, three times in the back.
08:43And then he's found about 15 metres away.
08:49The gun, there's no cartridges anywhere.
08:57No, nobody hears the shots.
09:01At the time, they didn't know what happened to him.
09:03Obviously, many, many days later, they find six bullet wounds in him.
09:07And according to the police, it was a 32 caliber silenced weapon.
09:14Yeah.
09:15What's your views on that?
09:16To give you an idea of the range of calibers,
09:19you can have something like a 2.2 caliber.
09:23Right.
09:23But that's quite small.
09:24You wouldn't think that would kill someone.
09:26That will travel for maybe a mile and a half.
09:29Wow.
09:30From a rifle or a pistol.
09:32Right.
09:333.2 caliber.
09:35That's the one.
09:36Which is the one we're talking about.
09:38It's developing somewhere in the region of 190, 200 foot pounds.
09:44So it's got good injury stroke lethal power.
09:50And also the bullets recovered were from a smoothbore barrel.
09:55Which may indicate the weapon used was a silenced revolver.
10:00I have two guns here.
10:07And this is a typical size of a 3.2 revolver.
10:13And why is it that you think the police considered it was a revolver that was used in the murder?
10:18Well again, really to demonstrate it, this is a sound moderator.
10:25Right.
10:25And inside the sound moderator is a series of metal baffles.
10:31Whenever it's fitted to a gun, the bullet sometimes hits those baffles.
10:36And there must have been some marks on the bullet to suggest that it was fired through a silencer
10:41or a sound moderator.
10:42Exploration marks on the actual bullet itself.
10:44Yes.
10:44So the likelihood is the gun that was used to kill John Palmer had been adapted so that it would
10:51have the silencer just screw on the top?
10:53Yeah.
10:54I would suspect so.
10:55So with this, the bullets would still be loaded, but literally you've got to pull back
11:01the trigger mechanism each time to fire.
11:03Yeah.
11:03And you've got six shots and you fire them all.
11:07And you fire three in the front, three in the back with a silencer.
11:11No forensics.
11:13Determined.
11:15Professional assassin?
11:16Possibly, yes.
11:18The whole scenario shows pre-planning and knowledge of firearms at least.
11:23I wouldn't have expected someone to have carried this shooting out unless they were a professional assassin.
11:31Right.
11:37So we know that the shooter managed to kill John in an area of the garden where there was no CCTV.
11:57And we know that he used a weapon that was very quiet.
12:02And we know also they've been carrying out surveillance, reconnaissance on John
12:08and identified his routine.
12:11So they picked the right moment to kill John Palmer.
12:16So it looks like a professional hitman.
12:21There's not many gangs that use professional assassins.
12:25We know Russian Mafia are one, but I found no hard evidence to back this theory.
12:32They've received a lead from a source in Ireland about an organised crime gang
12:37in Dublin with very close ties to John Palmer.
12:41They use professional hitmen to carry out their dirty work.
12:44That appears to me to be a very good lead to follow.
13:02I've known about John Palmer for years.
13:05I certainly knew about his career and, of course, the timeshares in Tenerife.
13:13So, as a crime journalist, when one of the wealthiest criminals in the UK is killed,
13:18you know that there is a really big story behind it.
13:21I remember when I first heard that John Palmer had been murdered
13:31because I was starting to make connections between Palmer, some of his associates,
13:36and people I was writing about.
13:38The biggest organised crime gang in this country, the Kinahan Organisation.
13:44Two family groupings from Dublin who had joined together, the Hutch side
13:50and the Kinahan side.
13:52They've been described as a murderous, drug-dealing cartel
13:56and they migrated to Spain and the Costa del Sol.
14:01And John Palmer, of course, had his own businesses down in the Costa del Sol.
14:06The likes of Palmer, the likes of the Kinahans, they all know one another.
14:13And they all are in business at some point together in one way or another.
14:262016, there was a boxing weigh-in in the Regency Hotel.
14:31This feud had broken out within the Kinahan Organisation
14:36and the leadership of the Kinahan Organisation were going to be there.
14:40People start running.
15:04And as they run out the front of the hotel,
15:06members of what looks like the Armed Response Unit start making their way into the hotel.
15:14Most people believed they were the police,
15:17but they were actually the Hutch organised crime group,
15:20armed with Kalashnikov rifles, hunting for the head of the Kinahan organised crime group.
15:27I got a phone call from the photographer I was working with and he had captured an image
15:33of what he believed was a gunman and a woman fleeing from the scene.
15:40When he focused in a bit further, he could see that it was a gunman and another gunman in drag.
15:51It almost looks like something from a scene from Reservoir Dogs.
15:54That was the moment that this Hutch Kinahan feud really exploded.
16:02Michael Barr was shot dead last month by two gunmen who burst into the Sunset House pub in the Summer Hill area.
16:08Forensic specialists today examining the scene of last night's gangland murder in Dublin.
16:14This gang feud turned parts of this city, the inner city here in Dublin, into an absolute war zone.
16:2118 young men, dead.
16:27In the aftermath of this, something very unusual happened.
16:32Out of the blue, this weird sort of anonymous Twitter site appeared, called The Whistleblower.
16:40This site was tagging journalists like myself, crime journalists, trying to alert you, trying to get your attention.
16:48And it starts giving information about cartel murders, in-house murders.
16:56I'm communicating with people I know, high open the guards, and they're telling me, this is fucking accurate.
17:03It was investigated by the police here, and it was discovered that this was the Hutch organised crime group that was behind it.
17:11And they were ready to spill the secrets of the Kinahans.
17:21One of the secrets that that whistleblower site let out claims that a hitman for hire working for the Kinahan cartel
17:30that killed John Palmer.
17:32So we've come over to Dublin to meet with a journalist who has been investigating organised crime
17:57out in Ireland, in Dublin.
18:02And she has intelligence on a hitman who could be a suspect in the murder of John Palmer.
18:08So, Nicola, what happened to John Palmer and how he was murdered? What do you think?
18:24I have a theory.
18:25About two years after John Palmer was shot, an international contract killer showed up here in Dublin.
18:37He was employed by the Kinahan cartel to take out one of their sworn enemies.
18:43And when he flew in from Alicante, he was here to kill.
18:56The Irish police got a tip off that there was a man on the way in to the airport,
19:03and his name was Imre Arrakis.
19:05He was known as an international hitman for hire.
19:12He was wanted in a number of countries for murder.
19:19Ireland was in the grip of a gang feud,
19:23and they knew that he had previously worked with the Kinahan organisation,
19:28and he was followed.
19:29He was disguised as a tourist, a fishing enthusiast.
19:36He had a rucksack on his back.
19:39He had a tent in it.
19:41And as the surveillance team watched him,
19:43he was picked up in a van by a known associate of the Kinahan organisation.
19:52He was followed back to a premises where he was due to stay the night.
19:56He was arrested the following morning.
20:00He found all sorts of weird stuff.
20:04Telescopic equipment, disguises, there was masks.
20:11And during his arrest, an encrypted BlackBerry mobile phone was picked up.
20:26This is the printout of those messages that were sent on that encrypted phone.
20:32You know, it shows what he's planning to do,
20:35and how he hopes to go to Belfast and to stalk his prey, really.
20:40And who was he going after?
20:42He was going after a guy called James Magogaitley.
20:45And this was a military-style operation.
20:51He wanted a gun that was accurate.
20:54And he wanted a silencer.
20:55Those messages, read them, because I think they show,
20:59certainly, a modus operandi that he's using.
21:02Incredible, isn't it?
21:04I'll have to read this and see how this fits in, potentially, to John Palmer's murder.
21:10So I'm just reviewing the information that Nicola gave us yesterday,
21:34in relation to the text messages that were received on the BlackBerry phone.
21:42Very detailed information between four individuals,
21:46one of whom is identified as Imre Arrakas,
21:50talking about a very sophisticated plan for a professional assassination.
21:54This is interesting because, obviously, here you can see the people who commissioned Arrakas
22:01replied to OW, which is Arrakas, as to how to go to and identify the target,
22:11which is James Gately.
22:14And if you go further down into the text messages, you see Arrakas.
22:20He's now responding, where can we see photos of him?
22:24They say, go into Google, write James Gately, Dublin criminal.
22:31It's the second picture in.
22:34He has a black suit on.
22:36It's a clear picture of him.
22:39That's the target.
22:44By analysing the preparation for this hit,
22:47I want to see if there are any similarities between it
22:52and the murder of Palmer.
22:55and see if Arrakas is a possible suspect.
23:04The people who commissioned Arrakas tell him
23:07that the target's car
23:10exits the rear of the building from a shutter which opens up and down.
23:13Champagne-coloured Toyota Aventis.
23:19He drives most days, he seems to go to Nuri and back.
23:23We have a tracker on his car.
23:28When he is 10 minutes away, get in position.
23:32He parks in the same space always.
23:34So then you have him.
23:47Arrakas replies,
23:49My plan was actually to go there tomorrow.
23:54It seems it's possible to take him down
23:56when he comes out of the car.
23:59It is good if the gun is really accurate.
24:14Also, silencer would be good.
24:19This is the shutter.
24:27This is the shutter that's described in the text messages.
24:30Arrakas is hiding.
24:39Gately comes to here in his car, in his Aventis.
24:42Car comes in,
24:44parks up directly in front as described in the text messages.
24:47Gately goes, literally, Arrakas is bang, bang, bang, and then he's out.
24:54And then once he's out, he's away.
24:58Gately's murdered, dead.
25:01Perfect assassination.
25:11Even though he didn't get to carry out the murder,
25:14Arrakas has identified the vulnerabilities of Gately.
25:20It's all the pre-planning, the whole setup for the murder.
25:25I can't see any CCTV down here.
25:27Ideal place to exploit and kill Gately.
25:31And in similar fashion to John Palmer.
25:40You've got the surveillance.
25:41No CCTV.
25:44The use of a silencer.
25:47It feels like a professional hit.
25:48Hello?
26:03Is that you, David?
26:04It is, yeah.
26:05Albert, you OK?
26:06Yeah, just a big good news here.
26:08Remember your task, mate, to look at the Arrakas as a potential suspect?
26:12Yeah.
26:13Arakas, yeah, was in the country, aye, in the UK, but more importantly, in Essex, two weeks before the murder.
26:22Wow.
26:24Right, OK, I'm on the way back.
26:25How about you, OK?
26:34You've got some more for us, haven't you?
26:36Well, we've spoken to the same source that you know.
26:39Let me just summarise what he's saying.
26:41He's saying Arrakas entered the UK in the weeks before Palmer's death.
26:48It's got similar facts.
26:49If you look at the detail in relation to what happened in Ireland.
26:52Silencer.
26:53Yeah.
26:54Preparation, lifestyle surveillance, coming into the UK, into Essex, two weeks before the murder of John Palmer.
27:03He's a very, very good suspect.
27:07This is dynamite.
27:09We've had information that a professional assassin, Imre Arrakas, had arrived in England just before the murder of John Palmer.
27:31I've tracked him down.
27:33He's in Lithuania at the moment.
27:35He's standing trial.
27:39He's been arrested for another murder, another assassination.
27:46And he's now on trial for gunning down a man outside his home.
28:05So, I'm concerned about that, and that's why he's so fervent at the moment.
28:08He's the best friend of the Lord, the best friend of the world, in Europe.
28:12It was the last one, Remigiu Markevičiu, a friend of Gušiudo.
28:24Remigiu Markevičiu, I can say, was a young man.
28:30Brilliant, very professional fighter.
28:34But, in the words, he has a different living part of his life.
28:38He left his contact with the people from the society of the organization.
28:45Very, very big figures in the drugs world.
28:50We are working with cartels.
28:53Yeah.
28:57Arakas, Savaukas, was very hard to stop for the war.
29:01I have lived in a few years.
29:08I used to be a pistol, a pistol, a pistol.
29:18and at the end of Remigius, the modification of the Kalašnikov was in front of the Kulk.
29:27What did it mean to me to see from the people's story?
29:32Remigius Murkevičio, he even went to the link to the Kalašnikov.
29:36Arakis again a few times passed away from the Kalašnikov.
29:43It was a very dangerous man, very cold-blooded man.
29:57This is the shootings.
30:06I think the Aracus is very dangerous man.
30:11Very cold-blooded killer, very.
30:20Hello Davies, I'm David.
30:22As I think you're aware, I'm investigating the murder of John Palmer back in 2015.
30:29What we know so far is that Aracus arrived into Essex two weeks before the murder of John Palmer.
30:37He's obviously a professional, so he gets hired by people.
30:40People give him contracts to kill.
30:43Has he ever spoken about who has given him contracts to kill people?
30:48He don't want to talk about this.
30:51Okay.
30:52Because, as you know, it's a very big criminal organization working with narco-traffics in all
30:58Europe, in America, in Colombia, in Mexico, and very, very, very serious criminal organizations.
31:09And he is effectively a contract killer who works for those gangs.
31:14Yes, but he's been traveling man.
31:16Right.
31:17Traveling killer, I think.
31:18A traveling killer.
31:19Yeah.
31:20And we know he arrived in the UK two weeks before the murder of John Palmer.
31:45so it makes you wonder doesn't it whether or not he is the man who pulled the trigger
32:15we know that arrakas is a really good suspect for the shooting but arrakas is a professional
32:29hitman and so someone employed him so the big question is what was going on in john palmer's
32:40life at that time that meant he had to be murdered so we know that on the day of john palmer's murder
32:51he was in his lawn tractor and he was taking documents down to this area here
32:56the only area in the house and garden where there's no cctv
32:59according to essex police he is burning documents at the time that he's assassinated
33:19what was he burning what were those documents were those documents evidence
33:24could they have potentially implicated john or other people
33:34recently i traveled to tenerife and i interviewed a man called mohammed durba
33:41and he told me that john was being pursued by the spanish authorities and they were getting closer
33:46and closer to charging him and i've seen speculation about a spanish fraud trial in the papers which
33:54echoes what one of my sources in tenerife has turned up
34:04so i'm going back out there to see what he's got
34:06so i said what we got here
34:20these are documents from the spanish police itself about the illicit activities of john palmer because the spanish police
34:27spanish was already after the pases of palmer has been there for a long time ago when they
34:31give the definitive coup that they decide to impute formally
34:37these are the judicial duties of the central judge number 5 of the national audience in madrid
34:45the procedure that is done to accuse a john palmer here
34:49so this is the 10th of april 2015 and when is he due to go to court
34:57so this is the 10th of april 2015 and when is he due to go to court
35:01this coincide este esta fecha de la diligencia es cuando asesinan natan en reino unido a john palmer
35:22so the week that john palmer found out that he had the court dates was the week that he got murdered
35:28so spanish justice was catching up with john palmer see
35:44so we know on the 10th of april 2015 john palmer is indicted with 10 others for fraud offenses
35:53firearms offenses and money laundering in relation to the timeshare
35:56in june at some stage the papers are served on the 10 defendants so there's clearly a legal noose
36:04tightening around john's neck and the others palmer was 64 years old and he was looking at 15 years in
36:12jail so the question is would he have been tempted to cut a deal to avoid prison and if so would someone
36:19have wanted to stop him
36:31my name is kevin lane i've previously been convicted of contract killing and i met john palmer in long larton
36:37when i first met john john had just been sentenced for the timeshares when i met him when he came into
36:47long larton you could see he was at the age where god what am i doing here in prison with all the wealth
36:52that i've got long line had a serious reputation for making weapons in there they had a metal shop in
36:58there people used to make their own knives or spikes very dangerous place and so when was the last time
37:06you spoke to john i spoke to him over the phone prior to his death when he lived in essex
37:15it's just talking about the upcoming case how
37:18he did want to go back to prison at his age yeah definitely not hitting quite hard
37:33in 2015 john palmer was facing trial in spain
37:40and he was facing a really long time in prison if he was found guilty
37:43and like at 64 years of age that's a death sentence
37:54at the time it was suspected or he was believed certainly to be cooperating
38:01that he was going to rat
38:08so you have to look at who was on the indictment and
38:11like what did they stand to lose and amongst those names is john palmer's former business
38:19associate a man facing a sentence that could have left him locked up in a spanish jail for up to a
38:26decade he was floating around the casa del sol along with palmer and got very mixed up at some point
38:32with the kinnaghan organization the same crew that had hired imre arrakis
38:41i think you had
38:55involvement with john you've known him for a considerable period of time since you were in
38:59prison yeah yeah um do you think knowing the man there was any potential that he would have
39:06gone to the police spoken to the police or given information do you think that's a possibility
39:10knowing the man let's just be quite frank about this yeah that's a possibility of anybody
39:17is it the truth doesn't mean it is no so i would have to say to you there i see nothing of that in john
39:24um he didn't give me any indication that he was going to do that but then would you give
39:29indication to people you were going to do that no and so i'm being objective here no totally yeah
39:34so i suppose one of the theories is that one of the people on the indictment on the spanish
39:41indictment that johnny's named on you probably know who i'm talking about but the man who's on
39:46that indictment is associated to the kinnans
39:49do you think knowing that individual do you think that there is any possibility that person
39:58could have jumped to the conclusion that john was going to talk about him i wouldn't know right
40:05is that you think that person's got the capability of doing what happened to john
40:09hasn't everybody yeah everybody's got all sorts of capabilities that's all i'm saying on that right got
40:25okay so the investigations got to three primary motives revenge mickey mcavoy
40:49russia and links the russian mafia and three the spanish indictment
40:56just before john palmer is murdered the spanish issue an indictment and it's really interesting
41:04i ended up speaking to a journalist in ireland who's very well connected and has been doing a lot of work
41:11around the kinnahan cartel we had a long discussion around a man called arrakas who is an estonian
41:20hitman we have information that suggests that arrakas came into the uk just prior to john palmer's murder
41:31and that he is a good possibility the man who actually pulled the trigger who killed john palmer
41:37the question is what was the motive who do you suspect put the money up for the hit
41:47my gut feeling is that one of the individuals on the indictment could be the man who ordered the hit
41:52i don't want to name him and compromise any future police investigation but we do know that he was
41:59involved with palmer in the early days a very violent man well capable of serious violence
42:08who is a close associate of the kinnahans right he was very close to john
42:15and intentionally the man on the indictment may have thought that john was going to implicate him
42:21and put the majority of the real grief onto this this individual
42:31so do we think john palmer could have become an informant yes i do because a motivator would be
42:39the 15-year crime sentence he'd want to reduce due to his age due to his health the spanish indictment
42:46you can't take away the timing you've got to consider that that is the trigger that's motivated the
42:52assassination i'm the same as you you know the spanish indictment so close to the the modern time
42:59is is fitting the bill for me there's a name on the indictment yeah that's that magic what evidence
43:07isn't it what they've got against them yeah yeah yeah it's got a good motive yeah we have a good picture
43:13of him now so he is a a good a very good possibility
43:36so it's been almost 10 years to the day since john palmer was murdered
43:41so it's quite a meaningful time for the family
43:48so i'm going to go back and speak to the daughter and see if i can update them
43:52around what we've uncovered so far in the investigation
44:02hello how are you okay not too bad thank you come on in okay hi yeah that would be lovely thank you
44:11so it's been 10 years since your dad was killed so as we approach the 10th anniversary there's a
44:19renewed sense of urgency in this the fact is that the truth is we may never know for certain who killed
44:26your dad um however you know we have uncovered strong new leads and they are new leads you know
44:34places where the police have not gone um and i think it's for the first time that i feel that we've
44:40got something solid to move forward with what we have found potentially is evidence that the hitman
44:48professional assassin was hired to kill your dad um that that man is linked to probably the biggest
44:57drug cartel in the world the king of the cartel um and the hitman involved is a man called imray
45:05arrakas we believe the information we've got is he traveled to the uk
45:11literally two weeks before john was killed he has been involved in other murders he's currently
45:18in prison in lithuania he's a professional hitman so who do we think
45:23would have paid him the motive that we think may be linked is that um dad had been told that he was
45:32going to face trial in spain they served the proceedings only weeks before dad was killed
45:38and then people around that case feared that dad was going to talk to the authorities and i found
45:46the name in court papers it was linked to both your dad and the killing game
45:50that's that's the name yeah um without naming him what was your knowledge of of that particular man
46:12or is that just something you've heard no i i know that he did used to work for my dad
46:18i'd heard conversations between my dad and that person talking quite often to him
46:25it was said that my dad was um able to do things from prison but in all the honest the truth of it
46:31other people were running it were having to run things so he was employed by your dad did you ever
46:37hear any anything that would suggest that they fell out at any stage well yeah i know that he did
46:43stop working for my dad i think he was probably doing some things that maybe my dad would have not
46:51wanted it done in that particular way right gotcha our intention is to uh give this information
47:00in the form of a report to the police and it's their job then to take it on it's their job to progress
47:06it and hopefully you know there may be there may be some closure for you yeah i think it's just a bit
47:14of time to process it things um but it's better to have something some information than where it was
47:23before where we didn't have any and um i hope at some point they will look into the person on the piece
47:30paper in more depth it's quite a lot to process the idea of somebody close to my dad at some point
47:43could then organize my dad's murder
48:01i spent over 40 years investigating organized crime and john palmer led an extraordinary life
48:08he came from nothing to become one of the most notorious and richest criminals in uk history
48:18but the empire that he built came at a price and he created enemies all around the world
48:24our 18-month investigation has taken us from essex to tenerife from ireland to lithuania
48:32and it's shot a light on some of the most dangerous criminal gangs in the world
48:40we've uncovered evidence that points towards the hitman and the person who had the motive to kill
48:46john palmer we're going to hand that evidence over to the police but ultimately someone in the criminal
48:55underworld knows exactly what happened to john palmer 10 years on perhaps one of them is ready to
49:02to step forward and the murder of john palmer will finally be solved
49:16of anti-promision, don't worry so much for himself in such a while
49:29you'll be involved in this and talk to some of their social war
49:32about ourselves which references for the past year
49:35is that it is not true in the middle of the agency
49:40but now we are平等
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