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A major constitutional and political showdown is unfolding in Tamil Nadu after the DMK government blocked the lighting of the Karthikai Deepam at the Thiruparankundram hill, which hosts both a temple and a dargah, citing law and order concerns. This decision defied a Madras High Court order by Judge G.R. Swaminathan that permitted the ritual. In response, DMK MPs are reportedly gathering signatures for an impeachment motion against the judge. The controversy has sparked a war of words between the DMK and the BJP, with the issue escalating to the Lok Sabha. This special report also covers the parliamentary debate marking 150 years of 'Vande Mataram', the ongoing aviation crisis involving IndiGo amid mass flight cancellations, the acquittal of actor Dileep by the Kerala High Court in a high-profile assault case, and TVK chief Vijay's upcoming rally in Puducherry.
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00:00Hello and welcome. Good evening. You're watching Super 6 here on India Today.
00:04I'm Akshita Anandakopal getting you all the top stories that we're tracking over the next 60 minutes
00:08with a keen eye of what's happening particularly in the southern states.
00:12We'll begin this broadcast by running you through the top two stories that we're tracking here on Super 6.
00:18Our first story is going to be from Tamil Nadu.
00:22Over the last many days, we've been seeing a huge, huge showdown over the lighting of the Deepam in Tirupara Kundram.
00:30Now, amid that, the Tamil Nadu government is reportedly all set to take on the judge.
00:35DMK MPs are coming together to get signatures to impeach the judge, J.R. Swaminathan,
00:40who had actually said that you can go ahead and light that Deepam.
00:44We're going to be talking about that big news break that's come in as the political fight over the Madurai Temple continues.
00:51Also coming up on the show at 6.30 this evening, the Vande Matram debate has been wrapped up in the Lok Sabha.
00:57We'll get you all of the highlights in case you missed out that debate.
01:01Details coming up at 6.30, we'll get you highlights of what the Prime Minister said and Priyanka Gandhi's counter as well.
01:07I'm Akshita Anandakopal. Here are the top 10 headlines of the day.
01:12DGCA's extended deadline to Indigo amid crisis ends.
01:16The airline was asked to explain the flight chaos.
01:18Sources say the DGCA is unlikely to provide any further extension.
01:23Moody's meanwhile has slammed Indigo crisis says it failed to plan air operations.
01:31Indigo's ramped up operations after nearly a week of disruptions,
01:35processing 610 crore rupees in refunds and returning around 3,000 misplaced bags.
01:41There are many more who are still waiting.
01:42As Indigo tries to restore full-scale operations,
01:48Civil Aviation Minister Ram Mohan Naidu has warned of tough action to set an example.
01:54The minister speaking in the Rajasabha blamed the crisis on Indigo's internal issues triggered by new passenger safety norms.
02:00Prime Minister Narendra Modi spoke in Lok Sabha today marking 150 years of Vande Matram.
02:09The debate surrounding that where he accused the Congress and former Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru of echoing Jinnah's objections to the National Song and pandering to communal concerns.
02:19Congress MP Priyanka Gandhi Wadra hit back on behalf of her party questioning the need for a parliamentary debate on Vande Matram,
02:28saying there's no controversy around the National Song and alleging that the government is using the issue to distract from real public concerns.
02:35The Goa police have summoned senior government officials who are lapses linked to the recent nightclub fire.
02:44Five accused have been arrested. The others remain absconding.
02:50DNK MPs are reportedly preparing an impeachment motion against Justice G.R. Swaminathan of the Madras High Court
02:56after his order to light the Kartikai Deepam atop a pillar near the Dargah.
02:59The Tamil Nadu government has refused to implement the order, citing law and order concerns.
03:05The Kerala High Court has acquitted Malayalam actor Dilip of charges related to the abduction and rape of a fellow actor,
03:12ruling that he is not guilty. Dilip has been cleared of all allegations.
03:16Six other accused have been convicted in the case.
03:21Markets are ended today sharply lower with the cents.
03:24It's down 610 points and the nifty slipping below 26,000.
03:28All sectors closed in the red.
03:30U.S. Vice President J.D. Vance is facing widespread criticism after an anti-immigration post
03:39that triggered online attacks targeting his Indian-origin wife, Usha Vance.
03:43The controversy follows his earlier comments on race and expressing hopes that his wife would convert to Christianity.
03:48There was a 6 p.m. deadline issued to Indigo to respond to a show course notice from the DGCA.
04:04That deadline has officially come to an end.
04:07Remember that earlier, the DGCA offered Indigo a 24-hour extension, but now the DGCA has made it very, very clear
04:16there will be no further extensions.
04:19Indigo was given the extra 24 hours.
04:22Adding that now is, in fact, when the deadline has come to an end.
04:28Indigo has been asked to explain what led to the massive flight chaos across the country,
04:34particularly on Thursday and Friday.
04:37We've been seeing, of course, that Indigo since then, after the DGCA went ahead and revoked its earlier order,
04:43the DGCA has been saying that Indigo has been saying that there's been improvement in air operations.
04:49Indigo has confirmed that today 1,800 flights have been flying.
04:53They're saying that there was 90% on-time performance today.
04:57But mind you, even today, there was quite a bit of cancellations, quite a bit of delays as well.
05:02Indigo has been maintaining that it will take a few days for normalcy, full normalcy, to return.
05:08But in the meanwhile, there are attempts to seek accountability here, very importantly.
05:12No one's going to forget this episode, even if normalcy is brought back.
05:16There are clear demands for answers of who is to be held accountable for so many passengers suffering.
05:21I'll bring in Amit Bharatwaj, who tracks aviation for us very closely.
05:25Amit, has there been a response from Indigo to the show course notice?
05:29Have they met their deadline?
05:29Akshata, let's be very clear about this, that the Indigo management and more so CEO of the Indigo, Peter Elbers,
05:38as well as the Chief Operating Officer, are not going to get any relief henceforth from the DGCA,
05:45as far as that show course notice is concerned.
05:48So they will have to stick to the deadline, because this deadline is something they put it on themselves yesterday,
05:53while seeking the extension, and it was very clearly, it has been very clearly communicated,
05:59what we are given to understand through our sources as well, by the DGCA,
06:03that if Indigo fails to file that response, there will be ex parte decisions taken by the DGCA in this particular context.
06:11So either the Indigo CEO and COO respond, or they will have to face the action from the DGCA Operations Department.
06:21Now, after the response is filed, what will happen?
06:24We are explaining this to our viewers as well.
06:26This letter will be obviously shared by the higher-ups in the DGCA, as well as the Secretary Mocha,
06:30and eventually the Minister will be briefed about the response that has been filed by the Indigo CEO,
06:38as well as COO, Chief Operating Officer.
06:42Ramohan Naidu is in Parliament right now, and till 7 in the evening he will be there.
06:47So obviously, after this briefing is done...
06:49Let's be very clear that yes, the Indigo management will be pulled up,
06:52but so will the DGCA, so will the government, on how they have addressed this particular crisis.
06:58Are they going to be cracking the whip against Indigo for the manner in which the airline has essentially handled this issue,
07:04and the manner in which they left so many passengers in the lurch?
07:08Thanks very much, Amit, for joining us with those details.
07:10We'll await details of exactly what Indigo has said in response to that show-cause notice.
07:15Let's cut across to more breaking news coming in.
07:17And the Tamil Nadu Deepam controversy continues with DMK now declaring war on the verdict judge G.R. Swaminathan.
07:32Sources reveal that DMK now is pushing for impeachment.
07:37Reportedly, DMK started getting signatures from members of Parliament to push for an impeachment motion against the judge.
07:44Remember, it was Justice Swaminathan who said that the Deepam close to the Darga in Tiruparang Kundram should be lit.
07:51That wasn't followed.
07:53At no point did the government give in.
07:54They refused to follow that particular order, and now they want to follow it up also with this particular move of an impeachment motion.
08:03Meanwhile, you're also seeing protests breaking out.
08:06A group of advocates held a protest outside the Madras High Court against the judge here.
08:11Members of the Federation of Lawyers Organization for Democracy and Secularism held this protest against the judge,
08:18seeking his impeachment pressure, clearly piling, seeking for action against the judge here.
08:24I want you to listen in to exactly what Tamil Nadu Chief Minister MK Stalin said on this entire issue,
08:30blaming the opposition, saying that this was a result of polarizing politics.
08:34This is a result of polarizing politics.
09:04Samohat Thundan Sadisayal, that is the message from the Tamil Nadu Chief Minister who maintains at this point that all of this is an unwanted controversy triggered by some.
09:26Pramod Madu is joining us live from Chennai with more details on the story.
09:29Pramod, what are you picking up from your sources?
09:33You know, the DMK, we understand, is pushing for an impeachment motion.
09:35How do they plan on going about this?
09:37Well, Akshita, one thing is very certain.
09:43We were there at Tirupakum in Dural Hills when this particular issue occurred and we very clearly saw how the police were not ready to allow any kind of protester to climb up the hill
09:50or to like, you know, the petitioner also to go ahead and light the lamp, not just for one day, but it occurred for two days and only after which an appeal was filed with the Supreme Court.
09:59And now the Chief Minister who was in Madriyat also very clearly called this as nothing but a kind of like dirty politics, cheap politics.
10:06And this is what is expected to resonate in the parliament as well, as our sources claim that the DMK MPs are going ahead with a plan to bring in an impeachment motion
10:15and for which they are also collecting signatures as we speak, Akshita.
10:19All right, Pramod, thanks very much for joining us with those details.
10:22The DMK now collecting signatures, hoping that they will be able to get enough support to actually push for impeachment of the justice.
10:29The images that we're showing on our screens is from a few days ago on the occasion of Kartikai Deepam when there were attempts being made by some people to actually light the lamp based on the court order.
10:40This is what happened. There were riots, there were protests that broke out in Madurai, very close to Tirupakunduram.
10:47And since then, this entire issue has escalated.
10:50But let me bring in on this broadcast, our panelists also, we've got Selam Dhani Dharan, spokesperson of the DMK,
10:58S.G. Surya, spokesperson and president of the BJP Youth Wing in Tamil Nadu, K.V. Dhananjai, advocate of the Supreme Court as well.
11:05S.G. Surya, I'd like to begin with you.
11:07What does the BJP make of this particular move by the DMK?
11:11We understand they're now collecting signatures, trying to get maximum support to actually impeach Justice J.R. Swaminathan.
11:17In this entire episode, there is no transparency from DMK, right from their arguments in the court, right from their stand in the public to this impeachment, so-called impeachment.
11:29It is not official. They have not said it officially.
11:32And none of the partners in the India Alliance have said anything about this because they know it is not acceptable in their part of the world or their part of the country.
11:40So, here, first of all, the DMK's policy that the judge should give only favorable verdicts is laughable because there have been judges in the past who have given verdicts that were not acceptable both to the central government and the state governments.
11:55Just because this verdict is not acceptable to DMK, they're bringing in an impeachment motion is joke on this constitution.
12:02I don't think they are even going to push for this impeachment motion.
12:06Here's the justification from the DMK, Mr. Surya. They're maintaining that this is a verdict that was purely fueled by hate.
12:14The attempt was to create an unrest in the state, which is the basic motive behind which they brought this kind of an impeachment.
12:22No, just because Hindus are reclaiming their thousands or hundreds of years old rights, it will not become hate.
12:29It will become hate to them, but not to the Hindus.
12:32Even the local Tiruparam Kundal village people, they are going to sit on fast from tomorrow, demanding to light the lamp in the Deepathun, which is in the top of the hill.
12:44So, I don't think the true representation is made on what is happening in the ground.
12:50So, we do not accept to their argument that it is fueling hate.
12:54This is just getting back the rights.
12:55Legally, after 40 years of legal fight, you should understand.
12:59For the 40 years, we have been fighting for this.
13:01Today, we have won it fair and fair in the court.
13:04They should argue in the court.
13:05They claim to have produced the best of the best advocates in the world and in the country.
13:09They should come to the courts and argue.
13:11So, all their arguments failed in the court and today they are hitting the streets, which is very unfortunate and is setting bad precedent.
13:18Even we must know that Mr. Ratnavale Pandian, who was the DMK district secretary, went on to become the high court judge and the Supreme Court judge in the later days.
13:27Nobody in those times accused that the judge to be a DMK man.
13:31So, this branding of judges and giving colors to the judges is the shameful act that the chief minister has stooped to this law is very condemnable.
13:39Let me bring in our other panelists.
13:40Mr. K. V. Dharanjay, advocate of the Supreme Court, is joining us on this broadcast.
13:44We also have Selam Dharani Dharan, spokesperson of the DMK.
13:47Mr. Dharanjay, to you first.
13:49What do you make of this particular move, sir, of seeking an impeachment motion against a judge because the order didn't go in your favor?
13:55Do you think this sets a wrong precedent or do you think it's fair what the DMK is pushing for?
14:00Well, I think this is an extreme measure and I don't believe the DMK has a good enough justification for doing what they just did.
14:08You do not try to browbeat a judge of the high court by taking one judgment as a reference.
14:15You know, after I was called into the show, I did some research of my own and I find Justice J.R. Swaminathan previously has allowed similar petitions, of course, not in the context of there being a dargah on the top of a hill.
14:28But then in other cases, you know, in Shivalingam, in case of Tirunal Veli, he's passed an order in 2021.
14:36And so it's impossible for anyone to say that the judge could not have done what he did in this case, though some people might say that insisting on CISF presence was almost like a challenge to the state government.
14:50But, you know, it's possible the judge might have felt that this is a case where the religious right must be accorded due importance and the judge might not have accepted the argument of the state government as to the possibility of escalation of violence if, you know, the IPAM is allowed on the top of the hill.
15:08And it's important also to note that there has been a great deal of precedent on this issue.
15:12So I think the DMK probably might want to, you know, send a chilling message to the judiciary here that please don't indulge in anything of this nature.
15:23But the DMK does not, they don't have to do anything like this.
15:26I think the law largely is in their favor.
15:28Now, the matter, I believe, will come up before a division bench of the Madras High Court on the 12th.
15:33And, you know, in matters like this, the state government could always take the pretext of law and order and then cite the 1992 Babi Masjid issue.
15:41What happened in that case?
15:43There were all kinds of assurances that there would only be a car saver and then the mosque would not be harmed or damaged.
15:49But something else happened.
15:51You know, a very large number of people swelled, you know, came, swelled, and then the masjids were destroyed.
15:56So a government of the day today can always cite that example and say that the judgment of the executive and that the courts must defer to the judgment of the executive in a case like this.
16:07And eventually, I believe, DMK will prevail, maybe before the division bench or even before the division bench.
16:12No, so ultimately, right now, the reason that the court order wasn't implemented is exactly what you said, Mr. Dhananjay, that the DMK said it's a law and order issue.
16:21But let me bring in Dhani Dhanan of the DMK on this broadcast.
16:25Dhani Dhanan, you know, the talk of this impeachment motion sends across a message that the DMK perhaps will target those judges who issue any order that doesn't seem to be what the government agrees with.
16:36There are two issues to it.
16:39Let me address the first issue and come back to the second issue.
16:42The first issue is that this temple and Dargah have been existing for more than 200 years together and people have been worshipping there, people of respect to faith, they've been worshipping there in harmony.
16:53In fact, in the foothills also, you see both Muslims and Hindus coexisting harmoniously and there has been no issue.
17:00This has been the stance of the Congress government which ruled Tamil Nadu in the 50s during the British era.
17:04The DMK in the 60s, 70s, the ADMK in the 80s and then alternating between DMK and ADMK until Madam Jayelda was alive.
17:13So, why?
17:14So, Hindus do not have a problem with this, Muslims do not have a problem with it.
17:17Now, one party with this template is to create religious disharmony, create fight between two religious groups and thereby come to power.
17:26See, the template we saw on north of India itself, there is the direct correlation between communal violence and BJP's electoral success.
17:33So, that is the main issue here.
17:34The issue is not the people.
17:36So, even the gentleman who has gone to the high court and filed a petition as a political party which is applied to the BJP.
17:40No, but if the orders come, Danitaran, if there is an order that's coming from the court, that wasn't followed either.
17:44And that's what led to the protest.
17:46The fact that that order wasn't followed.
17:47This whole point is subsequent to it, there have been number of judges who have also given order who had maintained the previous order of the 1920s.
17:561920s, there was an order.
17:58The temple belongs to the Hindu.
17:59That land which belongs to the Dargah would belong is 0.33 acres.
18:03No, that doesn't change.
18:04That doesn't change.
18:04This is about lighting of the Deepan.
18:06Yes, lighting of the Deepan.
18:08On that, the order.
18:10I'm coming there.
18:10I'm coming there.
18:11Yeah, please.
18:11Because I need to give context to your viewers.
18:13That's why I gave the entire context.
18:14So, the lighting of the Deepan for the last 200 years or even before the founding of Justice
18:18Party has been not happening at the hilltop.
18:21It's been happening at the lower level.
18:22No one had a problem with it.
18:23Now, because of BJP, the problem with the judge.
18:25I'm coming to the judge.
18:26The constitution has mandated that you can launch impeachment proceeding against the judge.
18:31We are only going by the constitution.
18:32No, but why?
18:34Danitaran, why?
18:35Why are you going ahead and doing this against the judge?
18:39Because I clearly said that's why the historical context was very important.
18:42This harmony was maintained by a delicate balance.
18:46Both faiths respected the other faith and based on that, the issue was going on.
18:50All the political parties that have ruled Tamil Nadu have also respected that and the previous
18:55judgment also.
18:55So, this one specific judge, whatever his reasoning may be, has gone on and given a judgment.
19:00Then, considering the law and order, my chief minister is not chief minister for one
19:03faith.
19:04It's chief minister for everyone who lives in Tamil Nadu.
19:06However small their number may be.
19:07You have to understand.
19:08He may be of a faith or not be of a faith.
19:11His wife could be of a faith.
19:12But the whole point is that he is the chief minister for entire Tamil Nadu.
19:16His job is to maintain law and order and harmony.
19:18And which is why when the judgment came, we know this can create.
19:25But it, you know, so Danitaran, then the question that will come up is in the manner in which
19:29it was taken care of, did that ensure no violence?
19:33No.
19:34There were protests.
19:34There was a riot-like situation that broke out of Madriya as a result.
19:41Okay.
19:41We're just going to reconnect with Danitaran.
19:43And Surya, go ahead.
19:45See, there are two questions.
19:47We totally deny there will be communal tensions or communal disharmony in the state just because
19:52a lamp is lit in the property of the temple.
19:55It is very clearly argued by even the state government that Deepatun property belongs to
20:00the temple.
20:01So, how can just lighting a lamp in the Deepatun, which is the property of the temple, be inciting
20:07communal violences?
20:08I don't understand.
20:09Secondly, the Darga did not come to the court and objected to the lighting of the lamp.
20:13In fact, in the year 2005 and also after that in several peace committee meetings, the
20:20Darga has made it very clear that they do not have any objections to light the lamp, which
20:25is 15 meters away from the Darga.
20:28This Deepatun is 50 meters away from the Darga.
20:30So, Muslims do not have a problem.
20:32The Darga does not have a problem.
20:34Only the HRNC department and the DMK government has a problem.
20:38So, they are citing law and order.
20:39Surya, they are citing law and order and saying that this is all manufactured by the BJP.
20:45Not at all.
20:45Their problem is the vote ban.
20:47They want the Muslim votes to come consolidated without leaving a single vote.
20:51That's why they are appeasing the Muslims.
20:53They are turning against the Hindus.
20:55This is being watched by the people of Tamil Nadu.
20:58Certainly, in the coming elections, they will give a fitting reply.
21:00But my question is, the same question which justices Jait Chandra and KK Ramakishan have
21:05asked, just by lighting a lamp in the property of the temple, how can there be communal riots?
21:12What does it say about the state of Tamil Nadu?
21:15Just by lighting a lamp on one day out of 365 days, if you think there will be riots in the
21:21state, what kind of communal harmony is it?
21:23We do not understand.
21:25You see, in so many Dargahs, they are lighting the lamps and the state government is promoting
21:29it.
21:30If you can light the lamps inside the Dargah, why not in the Deepatun, which is the property
21:35of the temple?
21:36We have given so many historical evidences to say that prior to the British, it was the
21:42place where Deepatun, the lamp was lit.
21:45So, it is not that we do not have historical evidences.
21:49It is not that the people are not against it.
21:51We are going to get Dhani Dharam back on this broadcast.
21:55We are having a bit of a problem with this connection to answer some of those questions
21:58that the BJP has put out.
21:59But Mr. Dhananjay, coming back to this impeachment talk, you know, you heard from the DMK there,
22:04they are continuing to maintain that while this is a law and order issue, they also believe
22:08that this judgment would have led to a riot-like situation on the ground.
22:12Giving that as a ground to go ahead and push for an impeachment motion, do you think that
22:16will actually stand the test that is there for an impeachment motion?
22:21Absolutely not.
22:23The Constitution prescribes an impeachment possibility only when there is proved misbehavior
22:29or incapacity.
22:30Now, this is not a case of incapacity.
22:32And it's nearly, not nearly, it's impossible to characterize this judgment as proved misbehavior.
22:38There's absolutely nothing in the judgment that the DMK can cite to show that this meets
22:43the test of proved misbehavior.
22:45I believe the DMK is trying to send out a symbolic message.
22:48And again, we also have a very high threshold to secure impeachment.
22:52Just to have a motion for impeachment begun in the parliament, if, you know, for the Rajasabha,
22:58we need 50 members or before the Lokasabha, we need 100 members.
23:02Now, outside of DMK, I don't believe anyone else is keen to, in fact, attach importance to
23:07this.
23:07And it's just my personal opinion that other parties should stay away from an extreme measure
23:12like this.
23:13The DMK has the forum of an appellate court.
23:16It eventually also has the forum of the Supreme Court.
23:19They should vent out their grievance there.
23:21What they're doing sets a very bad precedent, not because it will be effective.
23:25You know, even let's assume for a moment the DMK is able to get many members, 50 before
23:30the Rajasabha or 100 before the Lokasabha to get a motion passed so that an investigation
23:34or an inquiry is commenced.
23:36Even after that inquiry is commenced, I can tell you that the Supreme Court will simply
23:39intervene because writing one judgment that is not palatable to the government in a manner
23:45that a reasonable person can't find fault with does not amount to proved misbehavior
23:50because that's the standard by which the Constitution, you know, wants impeachment to go on.
23:55So this is not proved misbehavior at all.
23:56So the DMK, perhaps, I'm sure they also have wonderful lawyers within that party and they
24:02will be able to make sense out of the madness.
24:04In all likelihood, this is also just a case of grandstanding, that they don't expect to
24:08see this actually going through considering it's a very elaborate process, an impeachment
24:12motion and ensuring it actually goes through.
24:15But perhaps this is all about messaging.
24:17But Dhani Dhanam, we lost your connection.
24:18Apologies for that.
24:19We were, in fact, addressing the fact that, you know, you said this is a law and order issue.
24:23So ultimately, ultimately, with the Deepam not being lit, we still saw protests.
24:28We saw a riot-like situation break out in Madurai.
24:32Yeah, I was making a point.
24:34Unfortunately, I had to lose my connection.
24:36The point is the chief minister is elected by the people of Tamil Nadu and not appointed
24:40by anyone.
24:41So which means that he also has a legitimacy from the people of Tamil Nadu, right?
24:44So who represents the Hindus or a person of certain religious faith, right?
24:50So the people are with the chief minister.
24:52And the chief minister decided, based on the legitimacy from the people, what should
24:55be done, keeping the people of Tamil Nadu's opinion in mind.
24:59So then explain to me why we saw the violence and protests that broke out.
25:05If it was supposed to be, you know, if you did this to ensure that this exactly didn't
25:08happen, then it was wrong.
25:10A party, any party that has one person's note share may have about one lakh, two lakh workers.
25:17If those workers will congregate in a place and protest, that doesn't mean that it's the
25:20opinion of people of Tamil Nadu.
25:21Has any person following any of those faiths in Tamil Nadu, have they come and racked this
25:25issue up in the last 75 years or 78 years?
25:29Nobody.
25:31Irrespective of not saying it's DMK.
25:33The ADMK, Congress, parties have ruled Tamil Nadu.
25:35Has this issue ever been raised?
25:36No.
25:37Now, even within the AADMK, BJP's alliance partner, there is a rift.
25:41The Yadapati Palliswami is fighting with the BJP.
25:44Their party leaders like Jay Kumar has gone and said the customs of 100-year-old customs
25:48should be maintained.
25:50For example, the former minister, one of the former ministers of the BJP, Selur Raju, has
25:55gone and said an opinion against the BJP's opinion on this matter.
25:59So, even within their alliance partner, there is a division on this view.
26:01That is because the people, you go to the streets and talk to the people, regular people
26:05who do not have political affiliations, they will all say that we have been living harmonious
26:09here.
26:09Let this continue.
26:10Surya, go ahead.
26:11Your response to this.
26:13See, let me complete.
26:14Let me complete.
26:14So, when it comes to impeachment motion, whether it will succeed or not succeed, we don't
26:18know until we have the impeachment motion.
26:20We don't go for a motion in the parliament or a bill, thinking that it will get passed
26:23or it won't get passed.
26:24But you've leveled a charge against the BJP and the AIDMK.
26:28Let Surya respond to that.
26:31No.
26:32Yeah, Mr. The leader of opposition, I am sure his voice is the voice of the AIDMK party.
26:37He has clearly stated that by not implementing the judgment which was pronounced by the Madurai
26:43bench of the Madras High Court, the state government has seared.
26:46So, the stand stops there.
26:48Even in DMK and Congress, there are so many problems.
26:51Praveen Chakravarti, who is the head of the data analytics department, he has met actor
26:55Vijay.
26:56That does not mean the party is getting into alliance with the Vijay.
26:59So, different people can have different views.
27:02But what is the finality is the leader of the political party's view and he has condemned
27:06the act of the state government for not implementing the judgment.
27:10I think the stand is very clear and loud.
27:12Secondly, Darnidharan says that we are a one-person party and people in the ground are not wanting
27:19it.
27:19I am not sure if Darnidharan has ever gone to Tiruparam Gudram temple.
27:23Okay.
27:23So, we have gone there like every month and we know people there.
27:27The entire village committee is in favor of lighting the lamp in the Deepathun.
27:31Today, they have met the collectors and they have asked for permission to sit on past and
27:35to death from tomorrow morning, demanding the light be lit in the Deepathun, which is
27:40the historical place.
27:42So, they just add some views in their party-backed media to create a general opinion that people
27:48in Tiruparam Kundran do not want the light to be lit in the Deepathun, which is incorrect.
27:52Okay.
27:52And we stand with the people of local Tiruparam Kundran.
27:55So, the BJP here, the BJP, Darnidharan, your final response to this, the BJP here saying
28:00very clearly that the people wanted this particular lamp to be lit in the Deepathun.
28:04It's clearly in temple property.
28:06So, what was the issue with allowing it to go ahead and happen?
28:10See, how do you know that people wanted it?
28:12If people wanted it, then people would elect the BJP.
28:13No, so then I will go ahead and…
28:15It's not really happening.
28:15So, then Darnidharan, I'm not going to rely on either your word or his.
28:19If you tell me they were against it or if he says, you know, they're for it, I'm not
28:22going to rely on either.
28:23I'm going to rely on the fact that the court said it should be done.
28:26No, no, no, I'm coming there.
28:27See, the only way you will know it is either through an election or a referendum or the
28:32specific referendum on this issue alone for entire people of Tamil Nadu, what they think
28:36on this matter.
28:37This is the only way you will know.
28:38But because we are the elected government, we have the legitimacy of the people, which
28:42the BJP clearly does not, we strongly are telling that people do not want this interference
28:48of the BJP and they want the customs that have been followed for the last hundreds of years
28:52to be followed even now.
28:54The only way you can know, you can counter-prove me and rather an opinion of a legitimately
28:59elected government that is with, which is selected by 6.4 crore elected of Tamil Nadu is
29:04by having an individual census or referendum on this matter, individual referendum on this
29:08matter.
29:09Otherwise, it's all gibberish what we are saying has no merit in it.
29:12But it is in the constitution to call for an impeachment motion.
29:15We will give our strong points.
29:16It is up to the individual member of parliament.
29:19We have a Westminster system.
29:20Okay.
29:20So, they can now go against their party views also.
29:23They can go and vote whatever they want.
29:25Okay.
29:26But we feel we have merit in it.
29:28We will go and say the pros of it.
29:30Okay.
29:30Surya, quickly, I can see your hands up.
29:32Yeah, yeah.
29:32Surya, go ahead quickly.
29:33I have to wrap this up.
29:34BJP is nowhere in the picture.
29:36We did not file the case.
29:37The case is won by independent people.
29:40We are coming into the picture because the state is just a minute.
29:44Because this is to implement an order of the High Court.
29:48You cannot hide behind BJP.
29:50This is the order of the High Court which you have to implement.
29:53If you do not implement, it is a contempt.
29:55Very simple.
29:56BJP is nowhere in the picture.
29:59We have asked requests for urgent hearing in the Supreme Court.
30:02Parallelly, we have also looked at the other constitutional mechanism to look at this matter.
30:07Because we feel that the tip of the iceberg, if we start doing this, BJP will start creating
30:12disharmony within Tamil Nadu in every other possible ways.
30:14We know what happened in Uttar Pradesh.
30:16We know what happened in Madhya Pradesh.
30:17What's that got to do with the impeachment of a judge?
30:19What's that got to do with the impeachment of a judge?
30:23Pardon?
30:24What's that got to do with the impeachment of a judge?
30:27Because the verdict, we feel, will bring about disharmony and also against the interests
30:32of the people of Tamil Nadu.
30:33Which is why you didn't follow it.
30:34But go ahead.
30:35Okay, so you're seeing also that the DMK is following that up with taking action now
30:40against the judge who delivered the verdict, Justice J.R. Swaminathan, whose pictures we
30:44have there on our screens.
30:45We leave it at this.
30:46Thank you very much, gentlemen, for joining me on this broadcast.
30:49The DMK now, we're hearing from our sources, picking up and collecting signatures to ensure
30:55that they get the numbers required for an impeachment motion.
30:58Can this actually go through?
30:59Highly unlikely.
31:00We have a very rigorous process, rightly so, to impeach a judge.
31:03It doesn't look like it will go through, but this is optics.
31:06Important ones at that that the DMK is resorting to.
31:09Let's cut across to breaking news that's coming in.
31:10TVK chief Vijay will be holding a rally tomorrow in Puducheri.
31:25There are extremely strict norms that have been put in place for this particular event.
31:30It's not going to be a road show like we have seen previously.
31:33It's not going to be an event that happens along the roads like what happened in Karur.
31:37In this particular case, restrictions include only 5,000 people being allowed for the rally.
31:43There will be QR code passes for supporters to actually enter to ensure that only the number
31:49that's allowed, which is 5,000, actually gather at that location.
31:53Pramod Madhav is joining us with more details on this.
31:56Pramod, the stage set for Vijay's mega rally tomorrow in Puducheri.
32:00I don't know if I can call it mega because we understand that there are several restrictions
32:04in place to ensure that it's not massive.
32:06Well, Akshita, one thing is very certain.
32:12After the unfortunate Karur tragedy where 41 people had died, this seems to be one of
32:16the biggest events after that because earlier Vijay went to a program at Kanchipuram, but
32:20that was a closed venue.
32:21We've been told that this is going to be an open ground once again.
32:24However, Puducheri has limited, the government has limited the participants already to 5,000,
32:28like you mentioned, only carrying QR code invites.
32:31However, they are going to face a lot of difficulties because Puducheri is a very small place.
32:36It's a union territory and it is also having boundaries that is shared with Tamil Nadu.
32:40So, there is a Kadalur district and other districts that are surrounding it.
32:43How the police are going to control that, that's going to be a very big kind of issue that
32:47we are hoping that no untoward incident occurs.
32:49But right now, Puducheri government has stated only 5,000 people are allowed and that too,
32:54the TVK leaders have requested that people with young children, pregnant women, elderly
32:59senior citizens are requested not to come for this event.
33:03That way, they are trying to constrict as much as possible to make sure they go over
33:08there just to listen to what Vijay wants to say, Akshita.
33:12I promote for getting us those details.
33:14Tomorrow, we will track the latest that comes in from that rally.
33:17Everyone will also be watching out for what Vijay has to say.
33:20Let's get your highlights of the debate that played out in Lok Sabha over Vande Mataram.
33:28Prime Minister Narendra Modi opened the debate in the Lok Sabha and also targeted the Congress,
33:32criticizing them, accusing former Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru of echoing Jinnah's opposition
33:38to the national song and catering to communal pressures.
33:41For the Congress, you had MP Priyanka Gandhi-Wadra countering that the government was using the issue
33:46for political gains, and she argued that the debate was driven by the upcoming West Bengal
33:50elections and an attempt to distract the public from real issues.
33:54Here are some of those highlights.
33:55Vande Mataram
34:12Chattgaon ki swaraj kranti, jinn yuvao nne angrejjohon ko chunoti di,
34:20bepi itihaz ke chamakte hooye daam hai.
34:24Hargopal Bal, Puleen Vikas Ghosh, Tripur Sen,
34:33in sabne, desh ke liye apna balidan diya.
34:37Maastra Surishen ko, 1934-ben, jab faansi di gai,
34:47tab unho ne, apne sathiyo ko e k patr hi litha.
34:52A patr me, eek hi shabda ki gunj thi,
34:58aur wo shabda tha, vande maagro.
35:07Saadini Adhraji ji,
35:10haem deish vacho ko garb hoona chahiye.
35:13Dunia ke itihahat me kahi pere bhi.
35:20Ainsa koi kaambe nahi ho sakta.
35:24Ainsa koi bhaav gita nahi ho sakta.
35:26Yegi teish ki atma ka hissah ban chuka hai.
35:53Dere sot salou se,
35:57dèish vachiyo ke dhilon mei ye gita bas chuka hai.
36:02Pachatr salou se,
36:04humara dèish azad hai.
36:06To phir áaj,
36:09is bhaas ki ki kya vashaktah hai?
36:11Yeh joh bhaav,
36:12bishw tiyar kiya tha,
36:15unke bhaav gita ke dwara,
36:16unhau nene
36:18ungele joh ko hira diya.
36:24Aar ungele joh nene
36:26dhekki kitný kamjori hogi
36:29aar iz gita ki taqat kitný hogi
36:32ungele joh nene usko kanoonni rup se
36:36prtibandh laghani ke liye
36:37majbúr hona pada tha.
36:41Gaane pere saja,
36:43chaapne pere saja,
36:46itna hi nahi,
36:48bunde maatam shabda bolne pere bhi saja,
36:51itna e kattor kanoon
36:53lagu kar diya gaya thai.
36:56Aapka maqsad hai ki
36:58hum phir se usi atiit mei mandrati rehen,
37:01usi ki taraf hum dhekte rehen,
37:03joh ho chuka hai,
37:05joh bheet chuka hai,
37:07kya ki yeh sarkar,
37:08vartman aur bhaavishy ki
37:09aur dhekna hi nahi chahati.
37:14Ves kabil hi nahi rahi,
37:17satcha hi yeh hai adhyaaksh mahoday,
37:19ki áaj modi ji,
37:21vepradhahan mantri nahi rahe,
37:22joh ek samei mei thai.
37:24Satch yeh hai,
37:27ki yeh dikhne laga hai,
37:29unka átm vishwaas ghatne laga hai,
37:33unki nitiya dheish ko kamzor kar rahi hai,
37:37aur mene sattapaksh ke saath hi,
37:39chup is liyeh hai,
37:40kio ki anndar anndar se vhe bhi is baat se saimaat.
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