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00:00Good morning, it is Monday the 8th of December. I'm Maeve McMahin and this is Europe Today,
00:21your news' daily live fix of European news and analysis. Coming up today, Elon Musk has said
00:28the European Union should be abolished for issuing his social media platform X with a fine of 120
00:34million euros. But the Commission says this fine is a response to several violations of its Digital
00:40Services Act. It's the first fine ever issued under this landmark legislation that aspires to
00:45keep Europeans safe online. This, as the US administration warns in a controversial national
00:51security document, that Europe must change or face civilisation erasure. For more on this story,
00:58let's turn to Maria Today, your news' EU editor. Good morning, Maria. Bring us up to speed on this
01:02story. There's a lot to digest this morning. Well, there's a lot and the EU really caught up in this
01:07vortex over the weekend, which, as you say, really started on the Friday morning when the US put out
01:13and Europeans found out about this national security strategy in this document. The US does say Europe is
01:20a natural ally, but they also argue in unusual language. To some extent, we could question
01:26whether or not it's diplomatic that Europe has to go back to its former greatness. It also argues that
01:32illegal, uncontrolled migration, bad economic policies, too much regulation, all of this put together could end
01:38the European civilization as we know it. The document presented by the US also welcomes European
01:45patriotic parties who, they argue, are resisting this trajectory. And the US, they add, should help contribute
01:51to change this trajectory. Obviously, this is unusual language. It's not shocking. It's not
01:57really surprising because it builds up really on the speech that the US Vice President J.D. Vance gave
02:02at the Munich Security Conference. The only difference, of course, is that it is now in writing. I should
02:08note, however, over the weekend, I spoke with European officials who told me, look, this document has
02:13little to do with national security and a lot about what they perceive is political interference.
02:19Now, the second part to this has to do with Elon Musk. The commission fined X 120 million euros for
02:27breaching transparency rules in the European Union. The fine, the amount, I should note, it's quite small
02:32compared to other penalties on US big tech. Nonetheless, it triggered a big response from
02:38Elon Musk, who's been tweeting about the European Union all over the weekend. He started, and hopefully we
02:43can put it up on the screen, saying the EU is not a democracy. It has become a bureaucracy.
02:49It should be dismantled, abolished. The EU, quite strong language. The commission is still defending
02:54this fine, saying it is appropriate. They believe they have a strong legal case. And if he disagrees,
03:00he can take it to court in a court of justice, of course.
03:03And Maria, how has the EU been responding to the unprecedented language from the other side of
03:06the pond from, in theory, their biggest ally?
03:08Yes. And, you know, when we look at the EU as an institution, very timidly, no word from the head of
03:15the commission, Ursula von der Leyen, no word from the head of the European Council either. But we did speak
03:20with Kaya Callas, the foreign office chief policy from the EU. She told us the way to look at this is that
03:26domestic issues have to be dealt by the EU on external matters and conflicts. We should still work
03:33together with the United States. Let's take a look.
03:36Let's focus on the things that we can do together. I mean, what we can take from that
03:41security strategy is that we are still, you know, allies with America. We don't always see eye to eye
03:48on everything, but it's our internal matters. We can handle ourselves. Let's focus on the global
03:54challenges that we actually have, which are, you know, economic cursive practices from China that we are
04:00both, you know, faced with, which is the threat that comes from malign actors like Russia, like
04:07China, like Iran. So we definitely need to focus on what we can do together. And, you know,
04:15domestic issues, let us let them be our domestic issues.
04:18And that was Kaya Callas speaking to Euronews. Note how she said three times these are domestic
04:24issues. That's for the EU. The capital's much stronger language. The French foreign minister
04:29saying the commission is right. And this is just the start. The Polish foreign minister,
04:33much stronger language. He tweeted directly at Elon Musk saying, go to Mars. There is no censorship
04:39for Nazi salutes there. Obviously, that's a reference to another controversy as to whether or not
04:43Elon Musk had made a Nazi salute at a rally at the start of this year. But maybe what we're seeing,
04:48of course, is a lot of cacophony, because there is no single strategy in terms of how to deal
04:53with the United States at this point. For the EU, the institution, I repeat, it has been so far about
04:59de-escalation, hoping to stabilize the relationship, although that's not really been the case. The
05:04tariffs went ahead, 8 to 5 percent on Ukraine, very difficult situation. But for the time being,
05:09the strategy continues to be, don't engage publicly. Indeed, a very tricky time for the
05:13transatlantic tie. Thank you so much, Maria Tadeo, your news's EU editor for that. And if you're
05:17listening to Maria's analysis there about Elon Musk and thinking, you have seen this movie before,
05:22you're right. It is not the first time the EU and Elon Musk find themselves in the online boxing ring.
05:28Our reporter, Jakob Janis, has this refresher.
05:30Over the weekend, there was yet another battle between the EU and Elon Musk, who claims the
05:38European Union should be dismantled. It sounds extreme, but if you look at the timetable,
05:45the bells have been ringing for some time already. Let's go back to July 2024. Musk claimed Brussels
05:53offered him a secret illegal deal to censor speech. Fact check. It was a standard compliance
06:00procedure offered to every platform, but Musk used it to frame himself as a victim. Then was August
06:082024. The European Commission sent a formal warning letter to follow EU law. In response, Musk tweeted a
06:16very non-diplomatic meme from the movie Tropic Thunder. In late 2024, he told German voters to
06:24back the far-right alternative for Deutschland. And then he attacked Italian judges on migration,
06:31claiming they need to go. And his current battle is against the 120 million euro fine for his social
06:38media platform X. However, the fine is not about supposed censorship, but about consumer fraud.
06:46It means selling verification to anyone, including bots, actively blocking researchers from seeing public
06:53data and hiding who actually pays for the ads you see. Given that the penalty is well below the maximum
07:04possible fine, we need to ask one question. Is the game you play, Elon, actually about business? Or
07:12maybe it's about something else?
07:19Jakob Yanis there. Well, coming up, we'll be joined by Svetlana Tekhenovskaya, the exiled opposition leader of the
07:25Belarusian democratic movement, who emerged after challenging Belarus' authoritarian leader Alexander
07:30Lukashenko in the 2020 presidential election. Forced to flee her home country, she now dedicates
07:36her time to advocating for democratic Belarus and resisting the regime's role in Russia's war
07:41against Ukraine. Svetlana Tekhenovskaya, great to have you with us here on Europe Today.
07:46Good morning.
07:47Welcome to Brussels. First, how is your husband, Sergei, doing? He was released this summer after many years
07:52behind bars in Belarus. He's gone through the process of rehabilitation because all the political
07:58prisoners are really exhausted physically, but he's not broken mentally and gave a boost
08:03of energy to our movement. And of course, it was thanks to the Americans that helped orchestrate
08:08his release. We saw Keith Kellogg there engaging in dialogue with Lukashenko. Do you trust them now to
08:13help end the war in Ukraine? Look, we all want peace. And of course, I'm so grateful to President
08:20Trump personally and his team for releasing political prisoners from Belarus. But of course,
08:26the future of our country depends on the outcome of the war in Ukraine. And of course, we all want
08:31just and long-lasting peace, not just, you know, temporary relief to give opportunity to Russia to
08:37regroup and start attacking again. But also, what is important for us is that during this
08:43negotiations, Belarus aspect is also included, that Belarus is not giving as cancellation price to
08:49Putin, that Belarus will not lose our independency. And that's why we need a strong Europe as player in
08:56these negotiations that will be the voice of Belarusian people. Because a bad deal for Ukraine would be
09:02detrimental, I imagine, for Belarus? Absolutely, yes. We understand that if Ukraine loses this war,
09:09hopefully it will not happen and we'll keep strong alliance around Ukraine. It will mean a status
09:15quo for Belarus for wages and Russia will continue to subjugate our country. But how would you describe
09:21the current talks taking place? We saw three days of talks in Florida this weekend. There was no
09:25breakthrough. Are they really peace talks or are they more surrender talks? It depends on the strong
09:31position of Europe. First of all, of course, you know, President Trump, he might want fast peace in
09:39Ukraine. But for us, it's more about security architecture, it's about region, it's more than
09:44about only Ukraine, it's about all European neighborhoods in Moldova, Belarus, Georgia, Armenia,
09:50so on and so forth. So that's why here, Europe has to remain with its strong, bold and firm position,
09:58and defending and protecting all our region. Do you think Europe has been too weak so far in these talks?
10:07I think that Europe is much stronger than it might seem, it might think about itself. But
10:16we maybe need more unity, more boldness, because any hesitation or undecisiveness is percepted as weakness
10:25by dictators. And now we see that Russia together with the other regimes and Lukashenko, they are
10:31testing the borders of Europe. Well, we can see that. I mean, the EU has been furious as well with
10:38these balloon incursions coming into Lithuania. Lithuania declaring a state of emergency. The
10:43Belarusian appointee here in Brussels has been summoned by the Commission. What's going on and what's behind
10:47this? Now, all these metal balloons and drones, it's part of hybrid attacks on Europe, the same as
10:57migration crisis, and hijacking of airplanes, so on and so forth. So we see how dictators are trying to
11:06blackmail, constant blackmail Europe, just to see how far they can go without a strong response. And in
11:14our case, I think that it's a very effective tool to close the borders for trade, for goods, but not
11:21for people. Just be tough on the regimes, but be very open for the societies.
11:26And Belarus Lukashenko, he's also been weaponising migration, we've seen a lot.
11:30Yeah, you know, it's last many years already, and these migration attacks are continuing. It's also
11:37one more, you know, tool in the dictator's hands, how to weaken or test or blackmail our Western neighbours.
11:46And finally, President Zelenskyy will travel to London today. He'll be sitting down with Friedrich
11:50Mertz, the German Chancellor, President Macron of France. Any expectations for those talks today?
11:57I hope that it will be unity around Ukraine, about our region, that Ukraine will be giving
12:04everything they need to win this war. We don't have to follow President Trump's path,
12:11because his approach is more transactional. But we have to think more strategically about
12:18security architecture for years ahead.
12:20Okay, Svetlana Taganovskaia, thank you so much for coming into us today here and speaking to us on
12:25Europe Today. Well, meanwhile, this Monday in Brussels, EU justice ministers from all across the bloc
12:31will be gathering for talks on the implementation of the EU migration pact. Their gathering takes place
12:36after reports came from Crete this weekend that 18 people lost their lives trying to cross the
12:42Mediterranean Sea. Ida Sanchez reports.
12:47Migration management in the EU takes a big step this Monday. For the first time ever, four EU countries
12:53will receive direct help. Italy, Greece, Cyprus and Spain will benefit from a so-called solidarity pool,
13:03set up to better manage migration flows. From relocations to cash injections, countries should
13:11be able to rely on this support. But until ministers make a decision today in Brussels, the proposal made by
13:18by the Commission is just an idea. Ask how much and who will pay is still the big question on the table.
13:29One thing is clear. Under the new migration and asylum pact, no country will be forced to accept relocations.
13:38This was one of the most controversial points of the proposal. Countries like Poland and Hungary completely
13:44oppose the idea. Last month, the European Commission presented their first annual report on migration flows
13:51in its country. They identified who they thought needed support.
13:59The so-called solidarity mechanism, one of the most controversial parts of the migration pact,
14:05will be applied from June 2026.
14:16And for more on the outcome of those talks in Brussels today, keep an eye on Euronews.com.
14:21But that brings this Monday's edition of Europe Today to an end. Thank you so much for tuning in
14:26and for being with us. We'll be back, of course, tomorrow morning again with another episode. See you then,
14:30and take care.
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