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Recension des interventions d'Annie Lacroix-Rix lors de la conférence :Europe - Russie : 1000 ans ensemble, organisée par la Centre Spirituel Culturel et Orthodoxe de Paris. 21 Nov. 2025
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00:00When we talked about France finding itself in the winning camp,
00:20whereas it was far from a sure thing in the 1940s, at the very beginning,
00:25Well, that too is partly thanks to the Soviet Russians at the time.
00:32But thanks to the Russians, and I think Mrs. Lacroix will remind us of that.
00:36So we are obviously in a transition phase.
00:39since it has been pointed out that Russia remained for a considerable amount of time,
00:44and that it has ceased to be so in part,
00:45obviously when France assessed the military danger,
00:50which is the military danger, as demonstrated to him by three wars,
00:581870, 1914, 1939,
01:04but it must be emphasized that
01:08a major element of Franco-Russian history,
01:15or of history, I would say, between Russia and all the other countries,
01:22was obviously marked by the October Revolution.
01:25I think we can never stress this enough
01:28on what the October Revolution represented
01:33for all imperialist powers.
01:38It is still important to understand that this revolution
01:42has, in a way, deprived him of very important pre-smuggling operations
01:47the countries that had divided Russia among themselves.
01:50Because we talked a lot about religion,
01:53We may have talked less about considerable material interests,
01:58And I remind you that these are material interests
02:02have led to this, starting in the 1890s,
02:05the modern development of Russia
02:08was a completely foreign development
02:11which explains why, on the eve of the October Revolution,
02:16almost all, even all,
02:20modern activities of Russia
02:22were in foreign hands.
02:25All that remained for the Russians were the local industries,
02:29a little bit of the food industry,
02:33of the textile industry,
02:34everything else belonged to all the countries
02:37and from Europe, and elsewhere,
02:41because the United States was a stakeholder,
02:43who divided Russia between them.
02:47I was saying that we can never stress this enough.
02:50Firstly, because of the material loss recorded,
02:54who is familiar with the archives from the interwar period,
02:57knows how siege-like this hatred is,
03:01The obsessive one, finally, no adjective is excessive.
03:06So, of course, France faced
03:10to an extremely delicate situation,
03:13because, objectively, and especially since the 19th century,
03:18France faced a military enemy,
03:21Only one, which is Germany.
03:23In any case, a major enemy, since, as I said,
03:27This enemy inflicted three wars upon him.
03:30or fought three wars against him,
03:33and vice versa, for that matter.
03:35because, obviously, we couldn't say
03:37that Germany shared alone
03:39the responsibilities for starting the war.
03:42And that, this war situation
03:45led to what can be considered
03:49as an objective element, I would say,
03:52assessment of the balance of military power,
03:55what has been called the Alliance of Reverse,
03:58which does not require us to love each other,
04:01Ultimately, we can even hate each other.
04:03in a reverse alliance.
04:05What is a reverse alliance?
04:07At a certain point, a military enemy is predominant.
04:10There are two of us.
04:13because we mentioned earlier,
04:14Guimétan very rightly mentioned
04:16German expansion towards the East,
04:21we must never forget
04:23that German expansion towards the East
04:25is only one aspect of German expansion.
04:27German expansion also extends westward.
04:30German expansion was also a colonial expansion.
04:34because it's true that Germany has small pieces in Africa,
04:38But anyway, let's remember
04:39that the war against the Reros,
04:42This led to the discovery of diamond veins.
04:47Finally, that Germany did, in fact, contribute
04:49to the exploitation of Africa,
04:51not forgetting, of course, their presence in China,
04:55because it's not nothing, by the way,
04:57in the war against the Boxers,
04:58and it seems there are people
05:00who are thinking right now
05:02that we are in a situation
05:04which would allow us to deal with China
05:06as it was treated in 1900,
05:07But of course, that's another question.
05:11And so, this hatred I just mentioned,
05:14stemming from the 1917 Revolution,
05:17which is also a hatred of material origin,
05:21The fact is, it must be said.
05:23attached to what is a major element
05:27of French politics,
05:28that is to say, the deep economic links,
05:33socio-economic,
05:35between German capitalism
05:38and French capitalism
05:40were, along with the loss suffered in Russia,
05:46an absolutely decisive element
05:49of what has been called appeasement.
05:51And appeasement,
05:53It's a policy of preserving the railways.
05:57which is obviously,
05:59in military terms,
06:00extremely unfortunate,
06:02for reasons that are, again, objective.
06:05because if Germany
06:06did not get over his defeat in 1918,
06:11obviously,
06:13It is considering an expansion towards the East,
06:16and I would say all the more easily
06:18an eastward expansion
06:19that on the eastern terrain,
06:23She was victorious again in 1918.
06:25That's the big difference
06:27with 1945.
06:30In 1918,
06:32Germany is defeated
06:34primarily in the western region.
06:37Not at all in 1945.
06:40exclusively on the eastern side of the country.
06:42That's a big difference.
06:44but it should remind you
06:45that the question of the reverse alliance,
06:48She is absolutely objective.
06:50precisely because Germany
06:52has an expansion policy
06:54and to the East,
06:55and to the West.
06:57So, what is the reverse alliance?
06:59That's stupid.
07:01It's elementary.
07:02It consists of saying,
07:04There you go, there are 200,
07:06300 German divisions,
07:08Listen, we'll work something out.
07:10You're going to take 150 of them from the East,
07:13And I'm going to take 150 of them from the West.
07:15That's what forges the alliance of reverse.
07:20That's to say,
07:21this alliance which,
07:23It is important to remember this.
07:24because I still think
07:27to certain interventions
07:28of my colleagues
07:30at this momentous occasion,
07:32at that time,
07:34among others,
07:35propaganda development
07:37when we celebrated
07:39the 100th anniversary of 1914,
07:42where we wanted
07:42destroy us
07:46some myths,
07:47we heard again
07:49that France had
07:51won,
07:52had won
07:53not to be
07:54invaded,
07:56because she had sent
07:57taxis of the Marne.
07:58No.
08:00It's the Russian steamroller.
08:02The steamroller,
08:03It was dented,
08:05but it's because
08:06of the Russian steamroller
08:08that France
08:09was not invaded.
08:10And I want us to remember that,
08:11because the archives
08:13are categorical,
08:14and even on the part of
08:15English people,
08:16who were still
08:17a model
08:17in terms of appeasement,
08:19that's
08:20the English diplomats,
08:21if anti-Soviet
08:22that they might be,
08:24recalled
08:24on the eve
08:25of the war
08:26that
08:27France
08:29had not been saved
08:30of the invasion
08:30in 1914
08:31than through the alliance
08:33reverse
08:33and that
08:35if there were no
08:36alliance of reverse,
08:37France
08:38would not be saved.
08:39That's right.
08:41what happened
08:43in the Second World War,
08:44because we know very well
08:45instead of having
08:46a reverse alliance,
08:48well,
08:49Germany
08:50had
08:51insurance
08:52to hire
08:52the war
08:53on one front,
08:55while
08:56if she hires
08:57the war
08:57on two fronts,
08:58She died instantly.
09:00SO,
09:00I remind you
09:01because
09:01It's so...
09:03What I'm going to say
09:04NOW
09:04will show
09:05and upon rereading it
09:07Today,
09:08You know,
09:08I'm working on
09:09several periods,
09:10so sometimes
09:11I tend
09:11somewhat forgettable
09:12what I did
09:13in the previous period
09:15and I'm still struck
09:17Besides
09:17by
09:17violence
09:21archives.
09:23We say
09:24Today
09:25that
09:25of course
09:26we have classes
09:27leaders
09:28who pay
09:31so many words
09:32that they do not know
09:34Not reality.
09:35They don't recognize her.
09:37They are lying.
09:37They are lying to each other
09:38to themselves.
09:39But when you look
09:40previous archives
09:41I would say that we should reassure ourselves
09:43on the current situation
09:44because we observe
09:46exactly the same thing
09:47what I'm going to try
09:49demonstrate.
09:49First of all
09:50because
09:51for reasons
09:53of interest
09:53of material interest
09:54and in particular
09:55link
09:56between steelmakers
09:57French
09:58and the steelmakers
10:00Germans
10:01and again
10:02I only talk about that
10:03well
10:04France
10:05I would say
10:06does not benefit
10:07at all
10:08of his victory
10:09and we can say
10:11I believe
10:11having demonstrated it
10:13in a book
10:13which is called
10:14The choice of defeat
10:15we can say
10:16that from 1924 onwards
10:18not to start
10:19from 1940
10:20from 1924
10:22France
10:23renunciation
10:24definitely
10:25to defend themselves
10:26against Germany
10:27she will not defend herself
10:28never again
10:29And I mean it.
10:311924
10:32and I demonstrated
10:34Why is it 1924?
10:35then I will be told
10:36wait
10:36we hated Russia
10:38at that time
10:39but we had formed
10:40a reverse alliance
10:41and this alliance
10:43reverse
10:43it was the alliance
10:45with
10:45all the small countries
10:47You know
10:48these countries today
10:49who have the verb
10:50so high
10:51a whole series
10:52small countries
10:53of Eastern Europe
10:55and central
10:55Who
10:56That was perfect timing.
10:57at the time
10:58was
10:59appearance
11:00pure and simple
11:02vassals
11:02of France
11:04we think
11:05to what is called
11:06the states
11:07successors
11:08a successor state
11:10par excellence
11:10which is Czechoslovakia
11:12since
11:12she is the successor
11:14by definition
11:15there is no
11:16of Czechoslovakia
11:16before the French victory
11:18constituted
11:19exclusively
11:20remains
11:22of the empire
11:23Oserongrois
11:25There is
11:26Yugoslavia
11:27former Serbia
11:29enlarged
11:29there is Romania
11:31all of that
11:31it must
11:33or its creation
11:34or its expansion
11:35to France
11:36and then there is
11:37Poland
11:38we must remember
11:40because we know
11:41very bad in France
11:42the history of Poland
11:43That's a real shame.
11:44Besides
11:44we know very little
11:45we know very little
11:46we don't know
11:47For example
11:47that Pilsowski
11:48is pro-empire
11:51central
11:52until July
11:531918
11:54that makes an ally
11:56a little bit delicate
11:57and therefore Poland
11:59is theoretically
12:00an ally
12:00so like France
12:02absolutely renounce
12:03to the alliance
12:05of this Russia
12:06cursed
12:06well
12:08she passes
12:08an alliance
12:11reverse
12:11with the small countries
12:12so I hold
12:13to say
12:14because there is
12:15a small country
12:16who was
12:17to be an ally
12:18reverse
12:19of course
12:20very low
12:21compared to others
12:22allies
12:23but still
12:23which were not nothing
12:24which is Czechoslovakia
12:26Czechoslovakia
12:28was an ally
12:29undoubtedly
12:31a sincere ally
12:32but he is a sincere ally
12:34who was crucified
12:35crucified from the outset
12:37knowing
12:38I insist on this.
12:39that no alliance
12:41reverse
12:42was never concluded
12:43by France
12:44with its allies
12:46theoretical
12:47that we presented
12:47to the French
12:48like the roll
12:49compressor
12:49against the Soviets
12:51it must be said
12:53the small agreement
12:55we are being told about
12:56often
12:57agreement
12:59between countries
13:00successors
13:01is in fact
13:02an agreement
13:02roughly
13:03exclusively
13:04Soviet
13:04and any alliance
13:07with each
13:08countries
13:08is in no way
13:10an alliance
13:10military
13:11I recall
13:13this
13:13priority
13:15any old thing
13:16which is just an alliance
13:17military
13:18concludes
13:19with a pact
13:20military
13:21and commitments
13:22military
13:22as is the case
13:23of the alliance
13:24from 1892
13:25between Russia
13:27and France
13:28you are being attacked
13:29I'm coming to your rescue
13:31I am being attacked
13:32you come to my rescue
13:33and we pass
13:34military agreements
13:36who foresee
13:37with consultation
13:39mutual
13:40this organization
13:41future
13:42who will put
13:43in place
13:43when
13:44one of us
13:46or both
13:47will be attacked
13:48he never
13:50question of that
13:51and I must
13:52I must insist on this.
13:54because
13:55When
13:56Joseph Barthélémy
13:59who is an abominable
14:00character
14:01equipped, of course
14:03of a reputation
14:04highly complimentary
14:05since professor
14:06law
14:07from the university
14:08of Paris
14:08etc
14:09distinguished fascist
14:12caboulard
14:13conspirator
14:14against the republic
14:15is fat
14:18paid
14:18by the organ
14:19of the committee
14:20forges
14:20that's to say
14:21time
14:22So we must remember
14:25I'm not just saying that
14:26by controversy
14:27that the world
14:28is the heir
14:29complete
14:30SO
14:32when in
14:33April 11
14:341938
14:35Joseph Barthélémy
14:37is in charge
14:38by the committee
14:39forges
14:40to say
14:41that the alliance
14:42Czechoslovakian
14:43is not worth
14:44Not a penny
14:46with an article
14:49nicely
14:49titled
14:50awareness
14:51anxious
14:52we are anxious
14:54a lot
14:54Also
14:55in the
14:56previous
14:57finally in
14:58the front
14:59World War II
15:00he said
15:02in a way
15:02ignominious
15:03which is true
15:04there is no
15:05alliance
15:06with Czechoslovakia
15:07there is none
15:09military alliance
15:10There won't be any.
15:11and even Czechoslovakia
15:13will be considered
15:15like an excellent
15:17an excellent victim
15:20to give
15:21as a gift
15:22to Germany
15:23after
15:24the victorious states
15:26would have offered
15:28to Germany
15:28you know
15:29the previous
15:30the previous prey
15:31that's to say
15:32Austria
15:33well
15:35things are happening
15:36like that
15:37more Czechoslovakia
15:38so I'm saying
15:40because
15:40if you read the archives
15:42you say to yourself
15:43They're crazy
15:44these leaders
15:46policies
15:47and military
15:47they're crazy
15:48those I quote
15:49in the choice
15:50defeat
15:50look
15:51hysterical
15:52crazy
15:53lost
15:53etc
15:54but
15:55they have excellent
15:56intelligence agents
15:57I'm telling you...
15:58excellent
15:59senior officials
16:01do it immediately
16:02right from the start
16:03pardon
16:03their work
16:06despite their prejudices
16:08despite their prejudices
16:10social
16:11they examine
16:12facts
16:14they deliver
16:15facts
16:16and it must be said
16:17they deliver
16:18many facts
16:20in the interwar period
16:21I'm not going to give you any
16:23that a
16:23that's it
16:25text
16:26extraordinary
16:27from September 15th
16:301938
16:31from a colleague
16:32Gamelin
16:34chief of staff
16:36of France
16:37who explains
16:39that if France
16:40leave Czechoslovakia
16:42in the hands
16:43from Germany
16:43she will be
16:45herself
16:46shared
16:48dismantled
16:49occupied
16:50that's to say
16:51paints a portrait
16:52of what happens
16:54to France
16:54between May
16:55and June
16:561940
16:57So, you might ask?
16:59of this alliance
17:00reverse
17:00we hated
17:01so much the bear
17:02than ever
17:03We didn't consider it.
17:04well
17:05it's not
17:06completely true
17:07First of all
17:08it's necessary
17:09We must insist
17:10on the fact
17:11that
17:12Soviet Union
17:13attempted
17:14with all his might
17:15this alliance
17:16reverse
17:16I won't say
17:18because she is
17:18particularly kind
17:19no country
17:20is not particularly kind
17:22but because
17:22it was a question
17:23of life or death
17:25that this alliance
17:25reverse
17:26that's to say
17:27from both fronts
17:28then in 1924
17:31when she does
17:31recognize by
17:32Herot
17:33she tries
17:34and besides
17:35Herot also tries
17:36finally Hériot
17:38he always tries
17:38very softly
17:39he tries a little
17:42he even sends
17:43an ambassador
17:44who at one point
17:45is pro-Soviet
17:45like I don't know what
17:46Jean Herbet
17:47former journalist
17:48time
17:49it was a mutation
17:50but finally the mutation
17:51did not last long
17:52and then
17:54It doesn't work out
17:55and then Hériot
17:56he continues
17:57in 32
17:58he passes
17:59a small
18:00statement
18:01friendship
18:01it doesn't cost much
18:02and then
18:04So there is
18:05two attempts
18:05In fact
18:06there is an attempt
18:07d'Hériot
18:08You're very welcome.
18:09and an attempt
18:11a real one
18:12an attempt
18:13of a right-wing man
18:14who is Louis Barthoud
18:16who participates
18:17to a government
18:18couch-beder
18:19who is the government
18:20of Doumergue
18:22de Gastounet
18:23but still
18:24we don't understand
18:25Louis Barthoud
18:27fights
18:27to gain recognition
18:28Soviet Union
18:29by the company
18:30nations
18:31who is the UN
18:32of France
18:33and England
18:35of the interwar period
18:36he let him in
18:38and this attempt
18:40alliance of reverse
18:41because she is
18:42it is effective
18:43it lasts a few months
18:44it will be worth it
18:47death
18:48organized by France
18:51with German accomplices
18:54which provides
18:55the replacement
18:56of Barthoud
18:57by the downstream
18:57what is done
18:59immediately
19:00the next day
19:00of the assassination
19:01of Barthoud
19:03in Marseille
19:04October 9th
19:051934
19:06it was
19:08the only attempt
19:09alliance of reverse
19:10From now on
19:11France
19:12East
19:13feet and fists
19:14linked
19:15to the coming defeat
19:16that everyone
19:18wait
19:19GOOD
19:21let's not even talk about it
19:23from Poland
19:24which I recall
19:26curious allies
19:27that she spent
19:28January 26
19:291934
19:31an alliance
19:31friendship
19:32with Germany
19:34pardon
19:34a statement
19:36friendship
19:36with Germany
19:37valid for 10 years
19:39which I leave you
19:40to reflect on
19:41to the duration
19:42since
19:42It's September 1st
19:451939
19:46that Germany
19:47so friendly
19:49base on Poland
19:50and that it doesn't last
19:52as we said
19:5315 days
19:54it lasts
19:562 days
19:57as expected
19:59you will tell me
20:00for France
20:01that has indeed
20:02hard
20:025 days
20:04I'm telling you...
20:065 days
20:07I have demonstrated
20:08through the archives
20:09that of May 15th
20:10carrots
20:11are entirely
20:12cooked
20:14and that
20:15it will be necessary
20:16extend
20:17a little bit
20:18the battles
20:19you need to have
20:21honesty
20:21to say
20:22that
20:22some French
20:23fought
20:24like lions
20:25For
20:27in these weeks
20:29in these weeks
20:30desperate
20:31but that the matter
20:33as I said
20:33was done
20:34in 1900
20:35how
20:37was
20:37was folded
20:38May 15
20:40SO
20:41you might ask
20:42they have
20:43were reasonable
20:44Today
20:45We have some crazy people.
20:45at the time
20:46we had people
20:47reasonable
20:48no
20:48no way
20:50no way
20:51First of all
20:53I said
20:53that the USSR
20:54had tried
20:55the reverse alliance
20:56She dragged herself along.
20:59at the foot of France
21:00and England
21:01one degree
21:01which is not
21:02unimaginable
21:04which is unimaginable
21:07I would say
21:09that's a question
21:09health too
21:10that's to say
21:12she has everything
21:13supported
21:13politics
21:15Litvinov
21:16this policy
21:17alliance
21:19reverse
21:21alliance
21:21precautionary
21:22she was worn
21:24to the very end
21:25she was worn
21:27to the very end
21:28not only
21:29in the defense
21:31of Czechoslovakia
21:32the archives
21:33are categorical
21:35all categories
21:36archives
21:37are adamant
21:39that's to say
21:40until the very end
21:42Russia
21:43fought
21:44in order to be able
21:45defend
21:46Czechoslovakia
21:47that she cannot defend
21:49since she doesn't have
21:49common border
21:51SO
21:52we had to cross
21:54other territories
21:55I'm sending back
21:57to my work
21:57that did
21:59a very large book
22:00Besides
22:01obviously
22:02who has
22:03slightly enlarged
22:06the book
22:07and so
22:07under these conditions
22:10what could be done
22:14Soviet Union
22:16SO
22:17you will tell me
22:18she betrayed
22:19that awful
22:19that's to say
22:20that we have passed
22:22to that awful
22:24German-Soviet package
22:26listen
22:26I know
22:27many cases
22:28poisoning
22:29many cases
22:31I don't know
22:33if the poisonings
22:34present
22:35have the power
22:36power
22:37poisoning
22:38to which
22:39gave rise
22:40August 23, 1939
22:42that's to say
22:43the pact
22:45of non-aggression
22:46German-Soviet
22:47Me
22:48I produced
22:49archives
22:50which show
22:50than from 1933
22:53to 1939
22:55military attachés
22:58French
22:59and English
23:01and the ambassadors
23:04French and English
23:05have regularly
23:06accused
23:08their authorities
23:09guardianship
23:10that there was
23:11two solutions
23:12Or
23:13those concerned
23:16were passing through Russia
23:17an alliance
23:18reverse
23:19of the same type
23:20that
23:20from 1892
23:22Ultimately
23:23accepted
23:24in 1907
23:25or between
23:251907
23:26and 1914
23:27by the English
23:28Or
23:29the Russians
23:31would be forced
23:32to conclude
23:34a compromise
23:35with the Germans
23:36to win
23:38time
23:39For
23:41increase
23:42their power
23:42on the western front
23:43knowing
23:44what each
23:45forget
23:45that
23:47Soviet Union
23:48had another enemy
23:49at the time
23:50the enemy
23:51that he had occupied
23:52every 1930s
23:53as much as Russia
23:54that's to say
23:55the Japanese enemy
23:56and to which
23:58he inflicted
23:59a military paste
24:01memorable
24:01between 1938
24:03and 1939
24:05in such a way
24:05Besides
24:06that Japan
24:07so aggressive
24:09that he was
24:09was held
24:11calmly
24:11apart
24:12in 1941
24:13and a
24:15concluded
24:15with Russia
24:17an alliance
24:18of non-intervention
24:21which was respected
24:23until 1945
24:25and who also
24:26permit
24:26to Russia
24:27to be
24:28before the United States
24:30do not claim
24:31in full
24:32mastery
24:34of the Japanese affair
24:35which allowed
24:36to the Soviets
24:37to be
24:38negotiators
24:40important
24:42In
24:43military negotiations
24:46who should have
24:46to be concluded
24:47if the United States
24:50had not thought
24:51that it was more important
24:52For
24:53not only
24:55crush Japan
24:56but above all
24:57to scare
24:57to Russia
24:58of
24:59drop
25:01the atomic bomb
25:02under the conditions
25:03that we know
25:03during all this time
25:06Russia
25:07was ridiculed
25:08and I would say
25:09that France
25:10made a fool of herself
25:11in a series
25:12I was there
25:13a little bit long
25:14and I'm going to stop
25:15quickly
25:16in a series
25:18interventions
25:21that I am asking you
25:23if you have the opportunity
25:24that I am asking you
25:25to read
25:26because
25:26I reread them
25:29that's to say
25:30that there is
25:32between
25:321939
25:35and 1940
25:36interventions
25:38diplomacy
25:40French
25:41French leaders
25:42of the president of the council
25:44in Aladier's time
25:45and then after
25:46It's going to be Renaud
25:47You know
25:48the one
25:48who hands over the affairs
25:50to Pétain
25:50directly
25:51in
25:53in
25:54May 1900
25:56May June
25:571940
25:58to Pétain
25:59so, I was saying
26:00And that's Jean.
26:02who explains
26:03that
26:04Everything is going very well.
26:06first we will
26:07wage war
26:08against Russia
26:09not against Germany
26:10because we don't put
26:12a right of foot
26:14which bothers Germany
26:16from September 1st
26:181939
26:19you know
26:19It's called
26:20the phoney war
26:21and in the Phoney War
26:23France
26:23n / A
26:24Never
26:25Never
26:26considered
26:28with the slightest interest
26:29what she called
26:30pompously
26:31his forehead
26:32of the northeast
26:33We
26:34only one front
26:36interested him
26:37and I believe
26:39that it is necessary
26:39that you read
26:40interventions
26:41because otherwise
26:42You won't believe me
26:43that's to say
26:44that
26:45We have
26:46a chief of staff
26:47Gamelin
26:48then chief of staff
26:50which becomes
26:51Vegan
26:52the second of the balaclava
26:53who strangled
26:55the republic
26:55who explains
26:58to begin with
26:59that we will be able to
27:01defeat everyone
27:02the allies
27:03the new allies
27:04August 23, 1939
27:08because
27:09we're going to attack
27:10Russia
27:11Where are we going?
27:12Attack him?
27:13we're going to attack him
27:14in Finland
27:15So that's interesting.
27:16And that's a shame.
27:17that I don't have any more time
27:18because the war
27:19of Finland
27:20is an element
27:20comparison
27:22absolutely remarkable
27:23with the war
27:24from Ukraine
27:25absolutely interesting
27:28during this period
27:29where they explain to you
27:30every day
27:30that when Russia
27:32will have eaten Ukraine
27:33Finally, the end
27:35from Ukraine
27:36that she asks
27:37She will invade us
27:39all of Western Europe
27:41and then even
27:42the whole world
27:44as long as we come
27:45You should read it
27:48because
27:49you need to understand
27:50that the same arguments
27:52are used
27:54Indeed
27:56it's necessary
27:57defeat Russia
27:59in Finland
28:01because
28:01poor little Finland
28:03poor darling
28:04little Finland
28:05which became
28:06an airfield
28:07German
28:08since 1935
28:10and who threatens
28:11directly
28:12Leningrad
28:13in such a way
28:14that
28:15that's the reason
28:16for which
28:17Russia
28:18he asks
28:18for months
28:20to discuss
28:22we give you
28:23a bit
28:23territory
28:25islands
28:26etc
28:26But please be kind.
28:28let us
28:29a little bit
28:29territory
28:30to cover
28:32to move forward
28:33our protection
28:34of Leningrad
28:35I would also like to point out
28:36in a completely unrelated manner
28:38objective
28:39that if Russia
28:41had not done that
28:41in Finland
28:43most likely
28:44Leningrad
28:45would have been taken
28:45she made sure
28:47a cover
28:47which allowed him
28:49to ensure
28:49the defense
28:50of Leningrad
28:51under the conditions
28:52abominable
28:53that we know
28:53therefore
28:56Russia
28:57Russia
28:58request
29:00for weeks
29:01precisely
29:04to Finland
29:05to conclude
29:06on this basis
29:07she enters
29:10in the war
29:11she attacks
29:12undoubtedly
29:12Finland
29:14upon entering
29:15November 30th
29:161939
29:17do you have an idea
29:19of what is
29:20propaganda
29:20of today
29:21Well, me
29:22I'm telling you
29:22propaganda
29:24of the war
29:24of Finland
29:25is exactly
29:26the same
29:27that the propaganda
29:29from 2022
29:31to 2025
29:32except for this
29:34that the war
29:35lasted less
29:36it lasted
29:37from November 30th
29:38as of March 12
29:39March 7
29:401940
29:42March 7
29:43we still have
29:45a chief of staff
29:46French
29:46who learnedly
29:48explain
29:49that we will
29:50send
29:51divisions
29:52in Finland
29:54that way
29:54we will
29:55reach Russia
29:56and that, moreover
29:57That's convenient.
29:58because
29:59the rebels
30:00deportees
30:03Russians
30:04the rebels
30:06will
30:06rebel
30:08against the system
30:09Soviet
30:10Anyway
30:10the USSR
30:11was defeated
30:11with 4 divisions
30:13at the time
30:14the USSR
30:16aligned
30:16100 divisions
30:17on the front
30:18western
30:19June 22
30:221941
30:23though
30:24under conditions
30:25extreme
30:25weakness
30:26she lines up
30:28more than
30:29150 divisions
30:30on the front
30:31western
30:32And
30:33I don't have
30:34time
30:34to develop it
30:35but
30:36none
30:37leader
30:38western
30:38did not
30:40deceived
30:41on the range
30:43things
30:43that's to say
30:44that
30:44After
30:45the signature
30:46from August 23
30:48We have
30:49a whole series
30:50testimonies
30:52documents
30:53of the second office
30:55French leaders
30:57who even laugh about it
30:58with the Italians
31:00with the Italians
31:01or with the Germans
31:03and who explain
31:04Indeed
31:04that
31:05the USSR
31:06crawls on the ground
31:08to show
31:10to Poland
31:10that she is
31:11that she does not ask
31:13than to help him
31:13Poland
31:14who is defeated
31:14defeated in two days
31:16She is defeated.
31:17September 3rd
31:18Good
31:18but Russia
31:20continues to drag itself along
31:22feet
31:23there never
31:24had no doubt
31:25among Westerners
31:27on the fact
31:28that politics
31:29of Russia
31:30was anti-German
31:32none
31:33nor in the circles
31:35military
31:36nor in the circles
31:38diplomatic
31:38and when you look
31:40the archives
31:41well
31:42It's today
31:44And what do you make of it?
31:46in conclusion
31:46that finally
31:49whatever
31:51the scope of the speech
31:52extremely important
31:54obviously
31:54to the extent
31:56Or
31:56propaganda
31:58is effective
31:59and where the propaganda
32:01is all the more effective
32:02I would say that
32:03the system
32:05training
32:06populations
32:07is more
32:09is more
32:10sacrificed
32:11and it is true
32:12that we are
32:13in this regard
32:14in a situation
32:16For example
32:17In France
32:17liquidation
32:20of the system
32:21educational
32:23and in particular
32:23teaching
32:24of history
32:24which makes propaganda
32:26I think
32:26even more effective
32:28Today
32:29that she was not
32:31in 1939
32:32all the more
32:33all the more
32:35that the organizations
32:37defense
32:38of the population
32:39lost
32:40a very large part
32:42their effectiveness
32:43But you should know this.
32:45and I would say
32:46that it allows
32:47to conjugate
32:48knowledge
32:49historical
32:50with optimism
32:52energy
32:54courage
32:56or despair
32:57that's
32:58the situation
32:59was also
33:00pitiful
33:01in terms of
33:02analysis
33:03or at least
33:05analysis
33:07among ourselves
33:09leaders
33:10that she is
33:10Today
33:11So don't despair
33:13by telling you
33:15that they are worse
33:16that they have never been
33:17No
33:18they were
33:19if I may say
33:20by massacring
33:21French
33:22even worse
33:23in 1939
33:251940
33:26which resulted
33:27for France
33:28through consequences
33:31disastrous
33:32on which
33:33I don't need
33:33here to return
33:34about Munich
33:36as you said
33:39Effectively
33:39is it that
33:40Daladie did
33:41the demand
33:42to Stalin
33:43to intervene
33:45at the moment
33:46where the Germans
33:47were going to occupy
33:48the Sudetenland
33:48is it that
33:49Stalin actually
33:50answered yes
33:51and is it
33:52It's the Poles
33:53who refused
33:54that the troops
33:55Soviets
33:56pass through Poland
33:57and that the planes
33:58Soviets
33:58can fly over
33:59Poland
34:00to help the French
34:01So listen
34:01I did
34:02two books
34:03who address
34:04the question
34:04mon
34:06with archives
34:07especially French
34:09the other
34:09with archives
34:10especially English
34:12so as not to
34:13inflict
34:14twice
34:14the same sources
34:15to the reader
34:16the second time
34:17the English
34:18finally the second time
34:20initial
34:21the English
34:22It was in a book
34:23which is called
34:24Dominique Avichy
34:27the archives
34:29complement each other
34:30perfectly
34:31SO
34:32Let's explain things
34:34in the following way
34:35officially
34:36I'm telling you...
34:38officially
34:39it's the refusal
34:40from Poland
34:42and Romania
34:43because there is
34:44the two countries
34:45who are involved
34:46who would have
34:48prevented
34:49Soviet Union
34:51become
34:53Help
34:54of Czechoslovakia
34:55who did not have
34:56common borders
34:57which explains
34:58Besides
34:58the claim
34:59Soviet
35:00from 1945
35:01to give
35:03to Czechoslovakia
35:05a small piece
35:06moreover
35:07from Ukraine
35:07subcarbate
35:09which allowed
35:10the contact
35:11direct
35:11with the Soviet Union
35:13since
35:14Czechoslovakia
35:16was a country
35:16non-hostile
35:18But let's think about it.
35:20But let's think about it.
35:21two minutes
35:22what are
35:24Poland
35:25and Romania
35:26pre-war
35:27these are
35:29pure
35:30and simple
35:30auxiliaries
35:33of France
35:35not Poland
35:37who was
35:39a long time
35:39I would say
35:41a species
35:41private hunting ground
35:42capital
35:44French financier
35:45and who is
35:46returned
35:47over
35:48years
35:49pre-war
35:51a plot of land
35:52very favorable
35:53capital
35:54financial
35:55German
35:56it is
35:57likewise
35:57Besides
35:57for Romania
35:58since
36:00the winners
36:01leave easily
36:02imperialism
36:04German
36:04to redevelop
36:05in the countries
36:07of which he was
36:08theoretically
36:09practically
36:10is theoretically
36:11hunted
36:12in November
36:131918
36:14by his defeat
36:15and by the
36:16consecutive treaties
36:18and
36:20Versailles
36:21and
36:22Saint-Germain
36:22concerning
36:24Austria
36:25but
36:27if France
36:30wanna
36:30and I have
36:31demonstrated
36:31by the sources
36:32military
36:33and diplomatic
36:34if France
36:37required
36:38death
36:39two mosquitoes
36:40because they are
36:42mosquitoes
36:43treated as
36:44such
36:44you know
36:45than in diplomacy
36:47and my faith
36:48and in business
36:50military
36:51the fat ones
36:52are more powerful
36:53that the little ones
36:53if France
36:55required
36:56that Poland
36:58and Romania
36:59who were, moreover
37:00much less
37:01reluctant
37:02much less
37:03that Poland
37:04because Romania
37:05was completely
37:06ready in fact
37:07Romania
37:08was scared
37:09blue
37:09Germans
37:10if
37:11linked
37:13to the Germans
37:14that were
37:15their class
37:15leader
37:16there were some
37:17a part
37:17anyway
37:18who was
37:18hesitant
37:19and if France
37:21Besides
37:22It's very simple
37:22I will
37:23make me
37:25to understand
37:25in 30 seconds
37:27in 1935
37:28one of the plans
37:30of the ministry
37:32of the war
37:32consists in Poland
37:34what would be
37:35the best solution
37:37to defend themselves
37:38in case
37:39German attack
37:40It's not complicated
37:41it seems that Poland
37:43is an ally
37:43it's about occupying
37:44all of Poland
37:45so don't ask him
37:46his opinion
37:47because in 35
37:48if he is asked
37:49his opinion
37:50she is so
37:52the shod foot
37:53to Germany
37:54which she follows
37:56I remind you
37:57in particular politics
37:58anti-Semite
37:59fierce
38:00by its treaty
38:02friendship
38:03that one cannot
38:07nothing to pull
38:08from Poland
38:08and then
38:09I have to say
38:10here again
38:11objectively
38:12based
38:13architects
38:14the Polish army
38:15is zero
38:16but then
38:17what is called
38:17null
38:18well you will tell me
38:20anyway
38:21the Poles
38:22they had
38:22Eastern Galicia
38:24how they got
38:25Eastern Galicia
38:27because
38:27Vegan and de Gaulle
38:28they brought them
38:30on a plateau
38:31because the French army
38:33intervened
38:33the French army
38:35victorious
38:36went
38:37help Poland
38:38but
38:40let's be clear
38:42This is France
38:44and England
38:45who have
38:46responsibility
38:47major
38:48otherwise exclusive
38:50from Munich
38:52no type
38:54archives
38:55don't ask
38:56the archives
38:57German
38:58are adamant
38:59Besides
39:01It's very simple
39:02Poland
39:04was qualified
39:05by the Germans
39:05and the French
39:06with the same
39:07qualifiers
39:08it was
39:09according to
39:10depending on the choices
39:12it was the hyena
39:13or the vulture
39:15the hyena
39:16and the vulture
39:17you know
39:17are animals
39:18who in all
39:19the hyena
39:20That's not true.
39:20from time to time
39:21she attacks
39:22but finally
39:23They are scavengers.
39:25That's how it is.
39:26let's remember
39:28that Poland
39:30flies to Czechoslovakia
39:33the famous territory
39:34of Techene
39:35that Germany
39:40he delivers
39:40on a plateau
39:41before obviously
39:43to him
39:44to recover
39:45with everything else
39:46in September 1939
39:48So no
39:49responsibility
39:51of France
39:52and England
39:54is exclusive
39:55100%
39:57on the crucifixion
39:59of Czechoslovakia
40:00It was hopeless
40:02the French
40:03patriots
40:04in 1938
40:05if they had
40:07known archives
40:08they would have been
40:09even more desperate
40:10There is no doubt
40:12interesting
40:14that's to say
40:15that is precisely
40:18the discussions
40:20French-English
40:22on the help
40:25to Poland
40:25you need to know
40:26aid to Poland
40:28should be
40:29none
40:30but when I say
40:31null
40:32It's rubbish
40:32null
40:34Why ?
40:35because
40:36Poland
40:36because
40:38none of the countries
40:41allies
40:41of France
40:42has not been the subject
40:45of interest
40:46sustainable
40:46that's to say
40:47that's what I'm showing
40:49Besides
40:49in the choice
40:50defeat
40:51which was decisive
40:53in French politics
40:55that's what I would call
40:58the pregnancy
40:59from Germany
41:00that's the fact
41:01that
41:01French capitalism
41:03weakened
41:06very weak
41:07despite still
41:09its superb
41:11had a position
41:12second
41:13with regard
41:13of German inclination
41:15when we see
41:16what are
41:17relationships
41:17Franco-German
41:19when we see
41:19For example
41:20what it is
41:23that the preparations
41:24of the war
41:24when I said
41:25just now
41:25that the war
41:26had been
41:28lost
41:28knowingly
41:29from 1924
41:31it can be measured
41:32I would say
41:33by
41:34all the elements
41:35me when
41:36I proposed
41:37to my publisher
41:38to give
41:39this title
41:39which may appear
41:40extremely provocative
41:43choice
41:44defeat
41:45I explained
41:47She is an editor
41:47in this case
41:48I explained
41:50to the editor
41:51that I explained to him
41:52the Polish case
41:53that she leads
41:55that's to say
41:56elites
41:58ruling classes
42:00of which practically
42:03addiction
42:04is exclusive
42:05extremely important
42:07with regard to Germany
42:08That's the case.
42:09ruling classes
42:10Polish women
42:10we must remember
42:12that the nobility
42:14Polish
42:15is a nobility
42:16who matters
42:17on the central empires
42:18to crush
42:21its peasantry
42:22who always thinks
42:24that the soldier
42:25German
42:26or Austrian
42:27will be able to come
42:28attract business
42:31we have a phenomenon
42:32of the same others
42:33In France
42:34that's to say
42:35that superiority
42:37of French capitalism
42:39pardon
42:39of German capitalism
42:41made of French capitalism
42:44a sort of second
42:46and besides
42:47we observe
42:48a transition
42:49quite remarkable
42:50between this phase
42:52very German
42:54who accompanies
42:57or succeeds
43:01a short phase
43:04in the interwar period
43:05very pro-American
43:07because you shouldn't believe
43:09pro-Americanism
43:11acute
43:11that addiction
43:13that I consider
43:14Me
43:14in terms
43:15goals
43:17like a colonization
43:18of France
43:20for over 80 years
43:22but which measures
43:25in objective terms
43:26that's to say
43:26There
43:27what is the degree
43:29capital controls
43:31what is the link
43:33between the ruling elites
43:35American and French
43:36it's something
43:38which coexisted
43:39throughout the interwar period
43:40with a very, very strong
43:42German dependency
43:44but you shouldn't believe
43:45that
43:46in the 1920s
43:47the role of the United States
43:50in the regulations
43:52financial issues
43:53because
43:54we often explain to you
43:55anyway
43:56They're telling us nonsense.
43:58it has to be said
43:58when we do the archives
44:00we realize
44:01that we are being told anything
44:02that's what makes it happen, by the way
44:03that it is very useful
44:05civically
44:06to go to the archives
44:07because
44:08that prevents you
44:10to believe all the nonsense
44:12that we broadcast to you
44:13like truths
44:14No
44:15if you've seen the archives
44:17you are concrete
44:17Nothing impresses you anymore.
44:21And
44:22it's necessary
44:24we need to realize
44:25anyway
44:26of what it is
44:27that a country
44:27who is preparing for war
44:30saying
44:30the iron route
44:31is cut
44:32while
44:33these steelmakers
44:35assured
44:36the cover
44:38from Germany
44:40hell
44:41during the war
44:43as said
44:45in July
44:461939
44:48he could say
44:49as much in July
44:491940
44:50before
44:51not be renewed
44:52the agreements
44:53but
44:54a group engineer
44:56he said
44:57but we shoot
44:5860%
44:59of our iron
45:01of France
45:02as you can clearly see
45:04the gap
45:05that exists
45:06Germany
45:07she comes to do it
45:08all on a platter
45:09All
45:10because
45:12even if France
45:13was dying
45:14and she died
45:15anyway
45:15said in terms
45:17vulgar
45:18between 1940
45:20and 1944
45:21but without wearing
45:22reached at all
45:24to its ruling classes
45:25And I find
45:27that it is an element
45:28comparison
45:28very interesting
45:29we are talking today
45:32privileges
45:35enormous
45:35super rich
45:36but these super rich
45:38are sort of
45:41the heirs
45:41sometimes
45:42the direct heirs
45:44because
45:45wealth
45:45it is passed on
45:46it's not
45:47it's not simply
45:48the safe made man
45:49who comes
45:50to make his fortune
45:51when you look
45:52great fortunes
45:53French
45:54You know
45:54that they often have
45:55several centuries
45:56it's happening again
45:58wealth
45:59you measure
46:01that a country
46:02maybe
46:03almost
46:04at the abrois
46:06at death
46:09as has been
46:10France
46:11between 1940
46:13and 1944
46:14even
46:16that his bed
46:16its little skin
46:18milk
46:19his bed
46:20leader
46:21gets rich
46:22and when you are
46:25and when you are
46:26in a situation
46:27when you are
46:28in a situation
46:29addiction
46:31think for example
46:34in Morocco
46:34the spittle
46:36which is sort of
46:38the caricature
46:40addiction
46:41with regard
46:41of France
46:42Ultimately
46:44They get away with it
46:45Alright
46:45with independence
46:46from Morocco
46:47we have phenomena
46:48of the same order
46:49only in Europe
46:50we are so
46:52regulars
46:52to be the
46:53our classes
46:54and people
46:54are so
46:55regulars
46:55to be the mistresses
46:57of a part
46:58of the world
46:58and have so much
47:01colonized
47:01a part of the world
47:02that she does not represent herself
47:05not like that
47:06and reality
47:07archives
47:08present
47:09like that
47:10you cannot
47:11to wage war
47:12when you have
47:15the means
47:15to wage war
47:17you cannot
47:18to wage war
47:19to a country
47:20with which
47:21you have
47:22links
47:23and an addiction
47:25major
47:26That's what happened
47:27in the German case
47:29and it is necessary
47:29think about it
47:30because
47:31examine things
47:33in ideological terms
47:34has no interest
47:35what can they
47:36to do today
47:37that
47:39ruling classes
47:41which we say
47:42But that's not possible.
47:43they're pulling each other's balls
47:44in the foot
47:44Germany
47:46puts 10 billion
47:47dollars
47:48with the Russians
47:50in a
47:50in a gas pipeline
47:52we'll fart on him
47:53the gas pipeline
47:53She is happy
47:54and more
47:57and more
47:58she farts
47:58four times more expensive
48:00What could cause this?
48:03it's what
48:05it's what
48:06we'll work something out
48:07THANKS
48:07THANKS
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