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«Αν προβάλλετε ισχύ, η Ρωσία δεν θα σας επιτεθεί» - Οι ευρωβουλευτές Κρίστιαν Τέρχες (Ευρωπαίοι Συντηρητικοί και Μεταρρυθμιστές) και Σύνθια Νι Μουρκού (Renew Europe) συζητούν για την ασφάλεια της Ευρώπης στο Ring.
07:55Οι πρωθυοσίες τώρα είναι χωρίς τέτοιο σχέδιο.
07:59Κίνησης, που είχε πράγματα που είχε να μιλήσει κάθε άνθρωπος,
08:03ότι όταν είχε πει κάθε κίνησε από αυτά τα δημιουργασία.
08:06Δεν μπορείς να έχεις, σε τέτοιο σχέδιο,
08:09μια κατάω από κάποια τέτοια σχέδια.
08:11In order to do that, πρέπει να χρειάσεις,
08:13να το κάνεις κάθε άνθρωπος,
08:14Μετά από το ότι, πρέπει να υπάρχει μια καλύτερη δευθυνή της ειδικής χρόνια.
08:19Ήρφερνή μια δεκατάσταση, η Ευρωπαϊκή Ένωση δευθυνήθηκε ότι αντιμετωπή αντιμετωπή, το ίσο θα είναι για να δευθυνή μας.
08:26Ο ίσο μπορεί να βοηθεί, αλλά ο ίσο, πρέπει να δω σημερινούς τώρα, δεν μπορεί να βοηθήσει αυτή τη δευθυνή.
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09:06Υπότιτλοι AUTHORWAVE, το ΔΕΜΚΕ έχει το δίκτυό ή το λξικό.
09:10Υπότιτλοι AUTHORWAVE και το τούτωμα που δεν υπέροχαν να μικρήνουμε.
09:17Είναι μετά υποδοχή, θα είναι σκοφάντικο και θα πει να αφαιρεθεί η μισότητα να αποτρίφωθεί.
09:23Καία έρχεται από το μάθος των βάλτικών.
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11:31και να δημιουργήσουμε την κατευθυντική ελεγκρισμότητα.
11:36Αλλά προσπαθούνται, Ιεύ, και διπλόμματι.
11:39Αυτό είναι οι δύο που Trump δεν αρέσει.
11:42Μπορεί να μεταφέρει, γιατί είναι η ώρα να τα βάσκω από τα κλασστά.
11:50Αυτό που είναι, Κυρία και Κυρία, μπορεί να μιλήσει πως όχι όχι σε όμορφα.
11:54Κυρία, μπορείς να μιλήσει την πρώτη ερώτηση.
11:57Είναι Nissan worry at the statement of Putin
12:01overnight which stated
12:03if Europe wants war, we are ready for war.
12:08And how do you think Europe should react to that statement?
12:11I have to say that Putin said it from 2007,
12:15fall of 2007 in Lisbon
12:18during a summit between the EU and Russia.
12:21And he said something and I paraphrase him.
12:23If the foreign, if the international community
12:25is going to recognize the independence of Kosovo
12:27όλα οι φορές κόνφλεις από την Ευρώπη,
12:29και έγινε και έγινε.
12:31Άντερικασία, Παζία, Αγόρνο-Καρβάκ,
12:33και έγινε το ίδιο του 2007.
12:36Βέβαια, τι πέρασε το 2008,
12:38τι πέρασε το 2014,
12:40και τι πέρασε το 2022.
12:42Είχε στρίξει τους με τα πράγματα.
12:44Ρσία ήταν προπαραίτηση για αυτήν την πράγμα,
12:47όχι από το 2014.
12:50Ρσία ήταν προπαραίτηση για αυτήν την πράγμα
12:53μετά από την πράγμα.
12:55όπου δηλαδή πρέπει να προσφεράσεις για να προσφέρει το ίδιο.
12:59Υπότε να αντιμετωπίσουμε για να αντιμετωπίσουμε,
13:02αλλά να δείξουμε και να φωνώ.
13:04Διόντου φωνή, ας να είχατε να καταστίξουμε να φωτιάς.
13:06Δεν καταστώσουμε οίχο, οίχο!
13:09Ωραία, δείχνω το όχο Χιλόγιο,
13:11χωρίς το ίδιο του ίδιο του ίδιού.
13:13Ήταν το είδη το ίδιο που besoin,
13:15και το ίδιο που χρειάζεται,
13:16και πάνω στις δύσεις.
13:17να είχαμε υπάρχουν μια κυβολία με ειδάμενα πολίσεις.
13:20Μετά από τον τειράστο περιφέρειάμα στην Αι forests Cutest,
13:23και είναι μέσα στον Ιστονικό.
13:25Το είχα Ιστονικό, δράσμα, σχετικά με τον κόσμο.
13:29Πρέπει να εμπλ worried σχετικά με την εταιρία μιλικά και the εξεπισηματικά με τα ειδάμενα.
13:33Μουλικά, μη προσδιασμού.
13:35Μουλικά, σχετικά με μία τρόπο κοπρουατά.
13:39Μία τρόπο.
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15:58On copy officials, you know, to be correct and to be straightforward with the population,
16:03because it's the only way to be able to properly defend from these kinds of attacks.
16:08And briefly, what leverage do the Europeans have over President Trump, for example,
16:12who seems to trust the Russians more than he does the EU?
16:15I think the leverage that we have over the United States is to show the United States
16:19that we have heard the message loud and proud for President Trump.
16:22We are standing on our own two feet and we do have a plan.
16:25But Christian is right, there can be certainly a ramping up, particularly in relation to the financial sanctions, a ramp up of that, instead of having so many talks about talks.
16:37Now, bearing in mind that some countries in Europe are more adversely affected if we do impose the trading sanctions, so we have to be careful that we don't create another crisis.
16:46But you're quite right, perhaps more could be done in that regard.
16:49But with regards to America, I think Christian is right, we have to stand up with a powerful voice.
16:54Kaya Callas is doing that. She's doing it in a feminine way, which obviously juxtaposes against President Trump, who's calling journalist Miss Piggy on Air Force One.
17:03But at the same time, I would prefer to have her leadership rather than the likes of what we're seeing across the pond.
17:09Cynthia, we're a big fan there of Kaya Callas. Look, we've heard some points of view from our MEPs here.
17:14And now I would like to bring in another voice.
17:17And I'd like to bring in the voice of Ben Hodges, the former commanding general of the U.S. Army Europe, speaking to me earlier here on Euronews.
17:29He said the U.S. really sees Europe as inconsequential, except maybe for some business purposes.
17:35Europe, he said, is slowly waking to the realization that they cannot count on the U.S. to be a fair interlocutor here.
17:43Christian, are we inconsequential?
17:45Up to a point, yes.
17:47He said we're fourth on the list of the priorities of the Americans.
17:50Yes, because for so many years we allowed ourselves to be fourth on their list.
17:56Trump said when he was asked recently or a few months ago, what is his position on Ukraine and how U.S. is going to react to what is happening there.
18:04He said, you know, there are two oceans between U.S. and Russia, which geographically is correct.
18:08There are two oceans, Pacific and the Atlantic Ocean.
18:11It should be us, the Europeans, the driving force of the peace deal in Ukraine.
18:17And we are not right now because we talk too much and we act soft.
18:22Russia, this is the important.
18:23Look, every time when Putin speaks, he makes reference to certain historical events.
18:28Russia developed a technique to twist historical events to their favor.
18:34Yeah.
18:34And they use that in a way to shape the narrative and to influence the population.
18:39We come with this sometimes tough talks, but with soft actions.
18:44And we speak and we talk publicly about immediate consequences.
18:50Let's do something right now.
18:51They have the time to wait.
18:52And then when they make any reference to history, they twist what happened in the past.
18:57Can I just say, Trump has forgotten that he's got a major trading bloc and he's got major economic ties to Europe.
19:03And he's kind of forgotten about that because he's speed dating China and he's speed dating Putin.
19:08But he's after finding out now, he's after sending Jared Kushner, his son-in-law, and he's after sending Steve Widkoff and so forth.
19:16And they're after being given, as we say in Ireland, the bums rush, the shut door.
19:20They're gone now.
19:21And their proposals about more business ties between America and Russia have come to zero, zero.
19:26And now Trump is going to think, hmm, we do have an awful lot of dependency in terms of our business benefits from Europe.
19:34And interesting this week as well, NATO foreign ministers gathered in Brussels without the US Secretary of State, Marco Rubio, around the table.
19:40A very unusual move.
19:42But on that point, we can close this conversation to take a very short break here on The Ring.
19:46But do stay with us because we'll be back very soon with some more political punch from the heart of the European Parliament.
19:56Welcome back to The Ring, Euronews' weekly debating show broadcasting from the European Parliament here in Brussels.
20:09I'm joined by the MEPs Cynthia Niwerku from Renew Europe and Christian Teres from the European Conservatives and Reformists.
20:15And the idea here is to bring the European Parliament debates to your very couch.
20:20So, what about you?
20:21How do you feel about the war in Ukraine?
20:23Has the EU done enough?
20:25And would you be willing to fight if Russia invaded your country or another EU member state?
20:30Well, Euronews' reporters talk to the streets of Athens, Madrid, Bucharest and Warsaw to find out.
20:35Take a look.
20:36I think we should fight against my family.
20:38I wouldn't want to go anywhere else.
20:40I wouldn't have a family left here when I was able to help them in a different way.
20:44I think we should fight as a country.
20:47We should fight against the war.
20:48So, jako jednostka, definitywnie bym raczej nie podjęła walki.
20:53Ja zawsze bym walczył za mój kraj, oczywiście.
20:55Ja uważam, że to jest honor, żeby zginąć za swój kraj, więc oczywiście zginąłbym za swój kraj.
21:01To jest zaszczyt.
21:02Jest zaszczyt.
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22:58I think the answer in Ireland would be that people are very, very afraid of a militarisation that destroys our neutrality, attacks it in any way, because that is held very dearly.
23:09And, of course, it's in our constitution.
23:11So, it's different for each country.
23:13It's very easy to be critical of the EU in terms of its negotiating skills and its sanctions and so forth.
23:18But we have a job to do as well.
23:20It's not all about the higher echelons of Europe leading out.
23:23So, has the messaging been wrong from Brussels then?
23:25They haven't got it right, this idea of rearming Europe?
23:27Well, rearming Europe, it's a good project and we fully support it.
23:31But we need to go back to the narrative.
23:33He who frames the argument wins the debate.
23:35The whole debate right now, both in Brussels and in D.C., it's about let's have a peace.
23:40The narrative in Moscow is let's win.
23:44So, we don't talk anymore in Europe nor in D.C. about winning a war that we didn't have started.
23:50We were attacked.
23:50We didn't.
23:51We always talk about let's have peace.
23:53So, Putin knows that.
23:54And Christian and I at the break discussed, Putin wants more.
23:59He wants to grab.
24:00The conversation in Russia is about grabbing more.
24:02Exactly.
24:02Because if you give land in exchange for peace, tomorrow you'll have another war so they can take more land for pretended peace.
24:10I was in an official delegation in Latvia and I could see into Russia.
24:14The first billboard in Russia, once you pass the checking point, it's victory.
24:20So, their mindset, since their young age, kids in Russia are educated to win this war against the West.
24:27This is not the war that started in 2014 or in 2008.
24:30It started way earlier than that.
24:32If we don't change our mindset to understand that we have on the other side, it's not even the other side of the table because they're not at the table.
24:38The other side of the battlefield, pretty much, an opponent that really wants to wipe you out, you will not be able to win this war.
24:46So, I would use exactly the same narrative as Ronald Reagan used to say when he was asked, how do you think the Cold War is going to end?
24:52Very simple.
24:53We win, they lose.
24:54And on that point, we can bring this segment to an end and move on to our fifth and final round.
24:59Our guest MEPs are only allowed to answer my question with a yes and no answer.
25:08Is that doable, Christian?
25:09Yes.
25:09Bring it on.
25:11Should Ukraine join the European Union?
25:13Yes.
25:14Yes.
25:15Should they be fast-started into the European Union?
25:18Yes.
25:18Yes.
25:20Should Ukraine be allowed to join NATO?
25:24That is still on the...
25:26That's a very...
25:27That's not a binary.
25:28Yes or no?
25:28Christian.
25:28Yes.
25:29What about peacekeepers?
25:30Should we be sending EU peacekeepers to Ukraine, Christian?
25:33We should send more weapons to Ukraine.
25:35And peacekeepers?
25:35When the time comes, yes.
25:37We should indeed.
25:38Absolutely.
25:38And I would be absolutely delighted if our Irish peacekeeping forces could go to Ukraine.
25:43They have a wonderful history.
25:44Should the EU have an army?
25:46Yes.
25:46Yes or no?
25:47But it already has a national army.
25:48We need to make sure that they work together and fight for the same cause.
25:52Should the EU have a European army with the European flag?
25:55If I understand it in the way you're putting the question, no, I don't believe.
25:59Should we use frozen Russian assets to fund Ukraine?
26:03Most definitely.
26:04Yes.
26:05Should we block then the Belgian veto for this?
26:08Well, we need to talk more inside of EU to make sure that they understand the game that
26:13is played here.
26:15Yes.
26:15To his answer.
26:16I agree with his answer.
26:17And if the war did end and Russia did come around, should we lift the sanctions against
26:23Russia, Cynthia?
26:25Yes, I believe in the spirit of finality of the war.
26:29But of course, Putin doesn't believe in finality.
26:32He just wants more.
26:33He wants to make the Russian empire great again or better than it is now.
26:38Christian?
26:38We need to make sure that Russia loses this war.
26:42The sanctions should be kept in place until they fully pay Ukraine for the damage that
26:48they've done.
26:49Have you agreed with each other?
26:50I think quite a lot, right?
26:51Well, this is a topic that despite our ideological differences, you know, this is a topic that
26:56unites us.
26:56And I know this show is more about fighting and stuff.
27:02Sometimes politicians from different political groups will need to understand that there are
27:06issues that exceed their political differences.
27:09And this is one.
27:10I hope this program renews the viewers' interest and support for the European project.
27:16We certainly have shown our viewers, I believe, a glimpse of the European hemicycle where sometimes
27:20MEPs disagree and sometimes, in fact, they agree.
27:23Thank you so much for being our guests on The Ring.
27:27Thanks, Maeve.
27:28And thank you so much for watching.
27:31If you have any views on anything you've heard today, please get in touch.
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