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Путин угрожает Европе войной, если она этого хочет — реакция депутатов Европарламента в «The Ring»
«Если вы демонстрируете силу, Россия не будет вас атаковать» — депутаты Европарламента Кристиан Терхеш (ECR) и Синтия Ни Мурху (Renew Europe) обсуждают безопасность Европы в программе «The Ring».
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«Если вы демонстрируете силу, Россия не будет вас атаковать» — депутаты Европарламента Кристиан Терхеш (ECR) и Синтия Ни Мурху (Renew Europe) обсуждают безопасность Европы в программе «The Ring».
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07:33We need to build up our defense.
07:35But on top of that, we need to set ourselves the proper mindset in dealing with Russia.
07:41And I paraphrase what the former Taliban leader told many U.S. generals when they had a meeting.
07:46The U.S. generals said, well, we've got to finish this fast, fast, fast.
07:49And the Taliban said, you know what is the difference between you and us?
07:51What?
07:52You have the watch.
07:54We have the time.
07:55So the Russians right now are using exactly the same strategy.
07:59Yes.
07:59Cynthia was right when she mentioned that Trump is always, you know, coming up with these deadlines, you know, from one day to another.
08:06You cannot have, in such a complicated situation, a peace deal from one day to another.
08:11In order to do that, you need to take, you know, enough time to do it.
08:14But on top of that, you need to have a strong defense behind your words.
08:19So for many decades, the European Union expected that if something happens, U.S. is there to defend us.
08:25Because U.S. can help, but U.S., apparently right now, cannot drive these anymore.
08:30But, Christian, not only do we need to stand up and smell the coffee with regards to the mindset of Putin,
08:35which I think Europe did a long time ago when they failed to interact and investigate what was going on in the late, in the early 2000s, I should say,
08:44when Russia invaded first, Donbass, etc.
08:46But, unfortunately, we have the mindset of Trump thrown in for good measure.
08:51And, of course, we realize that all the power, all the might, all the money, which Ukraine has been so dependent on,
08:56as well as the huge investment from Russia, it's a very delicate balance.
09:00So, Sari, you talk about mindset.
09:02There still is a wonderful aspect of politics called diplomacy.
09:06But, of course, Trump doesn't have that in his dictionary or his lexicon.
09:10It doesn't exist.
09:11And so, therefore, Kaya Callas and the negotiating team have to negotiate in a completely different way.
09:17It has to be deferential, it has to be sycophantic, and it has to allow the bully in the room to triumph.
09:23Kaya is coming from one of the Baltic countries, and she had very strong statements, which is very important.
09:28But it's important also, she even mentioned in some of her speeches, to understand the lesson of history.
09:34The first country that was attacked by Russia in the 21st century was Georgia, in 2008.
09:39Because Georgia, in April of 2008, was not accepted in NATO because two NATO countries vetoed their accession.
09:46So, what happened after the war in Georgia in August 2008?
09:50Russia occupied South Ossetia and Akhazia, but in 2009, a new U.S. president took office, Obama.
09:58The first thing that he did once he took office was to resume the relationship with Russia.
10:03Russia came with a precondition.
10:05That said, and I quote, you need to forget everything that happened in 2009, we start from scratch.
10:10Well, they do not start from scratch.
10:12They keep everything that they got so far, and from this point on, they want to negotiate.
10:16But on forward, back to Europeans, to our viewers watching here today, Cynthia Newarku, is it time to militarize our societies?
10:21Is it time for your voters, your children, to start learning how to fight?
10:24I'll tell you what, it's time for now.
10:26It's time to realize that the cooperative military organizations that we have in relation to procurement, in relation to training, in relation to sharing intelligence, that needs to be ramped up.
10:39And yes, Europe has already reacted to the fact, in the last couple of months, that the budget of each country, we have to commit a certain percentage.
10:48Should we have voluntary military subscription for all Europeans?
10:51And we need to understand that the biggest security guarantees that any country has, it's its own military.
10:57No foreigner, no stranger is going to come and die for your country.
11:01And we politicians, elected officials, we need to make this point very clear.
11:04Nobody is going to come and die for your country.
11:08If you, whomever you are in what elected office you are, you need to make this clear to your people.
11:14So you have to have, you have to build up your country to be resilient to any kind of interference from outside.
11:20Either military interference, you know, electoral interference, any kind of malign interference.
11:24So building up your military is one step, but not the only step.
11:29Because you need to, we need to defend, for example, and make sure that we safeguard our correctness of the electoral process, for example.
11:36But we also need negotiation, Maeve, and we need diplomacy.
11:39So we need both.
11:39Those two elements which Trump doesn't like.
11:42Let me stop you there, because it is now to take, time to take the gloves off here.
11:46That means, Cynthia and Christian, you can challenge each other directly, just like you do in the hemicycle.
11:55Cynthia, you can kick off with your very first question for Christian.
11:57Certainly.
11:58Are you worried at the statement of Putin overnight, which stated,
12:04if Europe want war, we are ready for war?
12:08And how do you think Europe should react to that statement?
12:11I have to say that Putin said it from 2007, fall of 2007, in Lisbon, during a summit between EU and Russia.
12:21And he said something, and I paraphrase him.
12:23If the foreign, if the international community is going to recognize the independence of Kosovo,
12:27all the frozen conflicts from Eastern Europe are going to melt.
12:30And he nominated South Ossetia, Pazia, Nagorno-Karabakh, Transnistria.
12:34So that was fall of 2007.
12:36We saw what happened in 2008, we saw then what happened in 2014, and what happened in 2022.
12:42He's tricking us with words.
12:44Russia was preparing for this war, not from today or from, like, 2014.
12:51Russia was preparing for this war a few years after Putin took power.
12:55So what should the reaction be?
12:56Well, we need to react.
12:57You need to prepare yourself for war.
12:59You need to, not to attack someone, but to be able to defend yourself.
13:04It's scaremongering.
13:04Are our viewers not sitting at home fretting?
13:06I'm not scaring anybody.
13:08I'm realistic.
13:10Look at what Churchill said, for example, during the Second World War.
13:13It's exactly the kind of leadership that we need, and we are missing right now.
13:16I think we need to have a nuanced, mature conversation with our voters,
13:20whether we're on the western periphery in Ireland, or we're in Estonia,
13:24and we're right up against it, the country of Kayakalas.
13:26We need to have a mature conversation about the militarization and the investment in militarization.
13:33No, it doesn't mean a united European army, but it does mean massive cooperation, massive investment.
13:40But can we afford it?
13:41We will have to afford it, even though there are competing interests,
13:45whether it's farmers, which are very dear to my heart, whether it's businesses,
13:49whether it's education, Erasmus.
13:51But right now, at this point in time, we are under threat.
13:55This is the closest we've been to the Cold War that I can remember.
13:58Christian, your question now for Cynthia?
14:00You were mentioning about the price.
14:03I have to say that it's cheaper to invest in your own defense than to support the war,
14:06and we see the situation in Ukraine.
14:08It's way cheaper.
14:09Christian, your opportunity now to address a question to Cynthia.
14:11Yes, considering the...
14:12I hope it's a simple one.
14:13Well, we'll see.
14:16So, do you think you could have done more to help Ukraine?
14:18And if so, what?
14:21Absolutely not.
14:22I don't believe they could have done more.
14:24I think the amount of money that Europe has put in, more than the United States,
14:29and the amount of talks, time given to talks, preparation given for talks,
14:36and leading out, they couldn't have done any more.
14:37I think they have ramped up and reacted with regards to the commitment of the member states
14:41to their military spend, to their defense spend.
14:44I don't think we're 27 member states who have very different constitutional setups and structures.
14:51I don't see how Europe could have done more.
14:53Are we perfect?
14:54Of course not.
14:55I'm not suggesting that.
14:56But sorry, this is in real time, Maeve.
14:58But certainly not enough has been done, Cynthia, if we're entering the fourth winter of war.
15:02Ursula von der Leyen, and I wouldn't be the biggest fan of Ursula von der Leyen or President
15:06von der Leyen, but Ursula von der Leyen has reacted as swiftly as she can to a devastating
15:12new geopolitical situation that Christian has referred to, which is no support anymore from
15:17Europe, stand on your own two feet, get on with it.
15:20Would you agree with Cynthia?
15:22Up to a point, yes.
15:22But I think the EU could have done more sooner, because now we have the 19th package of sanctions.
15:29Many of these sanctions could have been done right at the beginning of the invasion of Ukraine
15:34by Russia.
15:35On top of that, we could have cut their finances.
15:38Even right now, for example, the transportation corridors, for example, from Central Asia and
15:43China, all the goods that are coming to Europe, they are still coming through Russia, which
15:47is absurd.
15:48So on one side, you're claiming, and rightfully so, that Russia declared war to Europe.
15:53On the other side, you do business with them.
15:54It doesn't make any sense.
15:56This is what I'm calling on public officials, you know, to be correct and to be straightforward
16:02with the population, because it's the only way to be able to properly defend from
16:07these kind of attacks.
16:08And briefly, what leverage do the Europeans have over President Trump, for example, who
16:12seems to trust the Russians more than he does the EU?
16:15I think the leverage that we have over the United States is to show the United States
16:19that we have heard the message loud and proud for President Trump.
16:22We are standing on our own two feet, and we do have a plan.
16:25But Christian is right.
16:27There can be certainly a ramping up, particularly in relation to, excuse me, the financial sanctions,
16:33a ramp up of that, instead of having so many talks about talks.
16:37Now, bearing in mind that countries, some countries in Europe are more adversely affected if we
16:41do impose the trading sanctions.
16:43So we have to be careful that we don't create another crisis.
16:46But you're quite right.
16:47Perhaps more could be done in that regard.
16:49But with regards to America, I think Christian is right.
16:52We have to stand up with a powerful voice.
16:54Kaya Callas is doing that.
16:55She's doing it in a feminine way, which obviously juxtaposes against President Trump, who's calling
17:00journalist Miss Piggy on Air Force One.
17:03But at the same time, I would prefer to have her leadership rather than the likes of what
17:08we're seeing across the pond.
17:09Cynthia, we're a big fan there of Kaya Callas.
17:12Look, we've heard some points of view from our MEPs here.
17:15And now I would like to bring in another voice.
17:17And I'd like to bring in the voice of Ben Hodges, the former commanding general of the U.S.
17:26Army Europe, speaking to me earlier here on Euronews.
17:29He said the U.S. really sees Europe as inconsequential, except maybe for some business purposes.
17:35Europe, he said, is slowly waking to the realization that they cannot count on the U.S. to be a fair
17:41interlocutor here.
17:43Christian, are we inconsequential?
17:45Up to a point, yes.
17:47He said we're fourth on the list of the priorities of the Americans.
17:50Yes, because for so many years we allowed ourselves to be fourth on their list.
17:56Trump said when he was asked recently or a few months ago, what is his position on Ukraine
18:01and how U.S. is going to react to what is happening there.
18:04He said, you know, there are two oceans between U.S. and Russia, which geographically is correct.
18:08There are two oceans, Pacific and the Atlantic Ocean.
18:11It should be us, the Europeans, the driving force of the peace deal in Ukraine.
18:17And we are not right now because we talk too much and we act soft.
18:22Russia, this is the important.
18:23Look, every time when Putin speaks, he makes reference to certain historical events.
18:29Russia developed a technique to twist historical events to their favor.
18:33And they use that in a way to shape the narrative and to influence the population.
18:39We come with this, sometimes tough talks, but with soft actions.
18:44And we speak and we talk publicly about immediate consequences.
18:50Let's do something right now.
18:51They have the time to wait.
18:52And then when they make any reference to history, they twist what happened in the past.
18:57Can I just say, Trump has forgotten that he's got a major trading bloc and he's got major economic ties to Europe.
19:03And he's kind of forgotten about that because he's speed dating China and he's speed dating Putin.
19:09But he's after finding out now, he's after sending Jared Kushner, his son-in-law,
19:13and he's after sending Steve Widkoff and so forth.
19:16And they're after being given, as we say in Ireland, the bums rush, the shut door.
19:20They're gone now.
19:20And their proposals about more business ties between America and Russia have come to zero, zero.
19:27And now Trump is going to think, hmm, we do have an awful lot of dependency in terms of our business benefits from Europe.
19:34And interesting this week as well, NATO foreign ministers gathered in Brussels without the US Secretary of State, Marco Rubio, around the table.
19:40A very unusual move.
19:42But on that point, we can close this conversation to take a very short break here on The Ring.
19:46But do stay with us because we'll be back very soon with some more political punch from the heart of the European Parliament.
20:01Welcome back to The Ring, Euronews' weekly debating show broadcasting from the European Parliament here in Brussels.
20:09I'm joined by the MEPs Cynthia Niwerecu from Renew Europe and Christian Teres from the European Conservatives and Reformists.
20:15And the idea here is to bring the European Parliament debates to your very couch.
20:20So, what about you?
20:21How do you feel about the war in Ukraine?
20:23Has the EU done enough?
20:25And would you be willing to fight if Russia invaded your country or another EU member state?
20:30Well, Euronews' reporters took to the streets of Athens, Madrid, Bucharest and Warsaw to find out.
20:35Take a look.
20:36For the respect for my family.
20:38I don't want to go out there, I'll leave my family here.
20:41I can help them in the European Union.
20:44I think we should fight as a country, to say that you can't fight as a country.
20:48Because as a party, I have to fight for my own country.
20:53I always fight for my country.
20:55I think it's a honor to be able to die for my country.
20:59So, of course, I have to die for my country.
21:01It's a great pleasure.
21:02Это неправильно, что мы должны быть думать о такой формации.
21:06В Европе мы живем очень хорошо.
21:09Может быть, сейчас нам нужно дать дождь,
21:12но я думаю, что раньше, чем для нас, для наших молодых,
21:15которые уже у нас были годы.
21:16Я, да. Я, даже этот год, планирую меня быть резервиста,
21:20но если бы у меня было 1.000, я бы позвоню.
21:22Для Евгения, да.
21:24Я не хочу рисковать мою жизнь в какой-то третьей стране.
21:27Интересно, да, посмотреть, как многие люди сказали,
21:30что они действительно счастливы для их страны, Кристиан?
21:33Но мы не до этого момента, где кто-то физически умеет.
21:36Война – это последний раз.
21:38Когда ты идешь в войну, ты знаешь,
21:40это коллапсой от дипломатии.
21:42Поэтому, чтобы избежать войны,
21:45нужно подготовиться к войне.
21:46Все говорят сейчас и понимают,
21:48почему они боятся,
21:50но это последний раз.
21:53Нужно подготовиться к войне.
21:56Хотя я говорю,
21:58если вы сильные,
21:59если вы вычислили,
22:00Россия будет не бояться.
22:01Россия будет не бояться.
22:02Россия будет атом 당신у.
22:05Грустанс.
22:06Что это на людей,
22:06на ваших брендах,
22:07ты думаешь, Центин Юъреку?
22:08В России,
22:11что вы с вами какое-то другое
22:12изменение,
22:13но население,
22:15мы должны иметь для себя.
22:17В России,
22:18Европа,
22:19водland supervisory,
22:20и raciallla цена.
22:21Неожидание по Кристианской партии.
22:23Продолжение следует...
22:53So what answers, Cynthia, would you have gotten if you went out to speak to your voters about that topic?
22:58Oh, I think the answer in Ireland would be that people are very, very afraid of a militarisation that destroys our neutrality, attacks it in any way, because that is held very dearly.
23:09And of course, it's in our constitution. So it's different for each country.
23:13It's very easy to be critical of the EU in terms of its negotiating skills and its sanctions and so forth.
23:18But we have a job to do as well. It's not all about the higher echelons of Europe leading out.
23:23So has the message been wrong from Brussels and they haven't got it right, this idea of rearming Europe?
23:27Well, rearming Europe, it's a good project and we really support it.
23:31But we need to go back to the narrative. He who frames the argument wins the debate.
23:35The whole debate right now, both in Brussels and in D.C., it's about let's have a peace.
23:39The narrative in Moscow is let's win.
23:44So we don't talk anymore in Europe nor in D.C. about winning a war that we didn't have started.
23:50We were attacked.
23:50We didn't.
23:51We always talk about let's have peace. So Putin knows that.
23:55And Christian and I at the break discussed Putin wants more.
23:59He wants to grab. The conversation in Russia is about grabbing more.
24:02Exactly. Because if you give land in exchange for peace, tomorrow you'll have another war so they can take more land for pretended peace.
24:10I was in an official delegation in Latvia and I could see into Russia.
24:14The first billboard in Russia, once you pass the checking point, it's victory.
24:20So their mindset since their young age, kids in Russia are educated to win this war against the West.
24:27This is not the war that started in 2014 or in 2008, started way earlier than that.
24:32If we don't change our mindset to understand that we have on the other side, it's not even the other side of the table because they're not at the table.
24:39The other side of the of the battlefield, pretty much an opponent that really wants to wipe you out.
24:44You will not be able to win this war.
24:46So I would use exactly the same narrative as Ronald Reagan used to say when he was asked, how do you think the Cold War is going to end?
24:52Very simple. We win, they lose.
24:54And on that point, we can bring this segment to an end and move on to our fifth and final round.
25:03Our guest MEPs are only allowed to answer my question with a yes and no answer.
25:08Is that doable, Christian?
25:09Yes. Bring it on.
25:11Should Ukraine join the European Union?
25:13Yes.
25:14Yes.
25:15Should they be fast-tracked into the European Union?
25:18Yes.
25:18Yes.
25:20Should Ukraine be allowed to join NATO?
25:22That is still on the...
25:26That's a very...
25:27That's not a binary, yes or no, Christian?
25:28Yes.
25:29What about peacekeepers?
25:30Should we be sending EU peacekeepers to Ukraine, Christian?
25:33We should send more weapons to Ukraine.
25:35And peacekeepers?
25:35When the time comes, yes.
25:37We should indeed, absolutely.
25:38And I would be absolutely delighted if our Irish peacekeeping forces could go to Ukraine.
25:43They have a wonderful history.
25:44Should the EU have an army?
25:46Yes.
25:46Yes or no?
25:47But he already has a national army.
25:49We need to make sure that they work together and fight for the same cause.
25:52Should the EU have a European army with the European flag?
25:55If I understand it in the way you're putting the question, no, I don't believe in that.
26:00Should we use frozen Russian acids to fund Ukraine?
26:03Most definitely.
26:04Yes.
26:05Should we block then the Belgian veto for this?
26:07Well, we need to talk more inside of EU to make sure that they understand the game that is played here.
26:15Yes, to his answer.
26:16I agree with his answer.
26:18And if the war did end and Russia did come around, should we lift the sanctions against Russia, Cynthia?
26:25Yes, I believe in the spirit of finality of the war.
26:29But of course, Putin doesn't believe in finality.
26:32He just wants more.
26:33He wants to make the Russian empire great again or better than it is now.
26:38Christian?
26:39We need to make sure that Russia loses this war.
26:42The sanctions should be kept in place until they fully pay Ukraine for the damage that they've done.
26:49Have you agreed with each other?
26:50I think quite a lot, right?
26:51Well, this is a topic that despite our ideological differences, you know, this is a topic that unites us.
26:56And I know this show is more about fighting and stuff.
27:02Sometimes politicians from different political groups will need to understand that there are issues that exceed their political differences.
27:09And this is one.
27:10I hope this program renews the viewers' interest and support for the European project.
27:16We certainly have shown our viewers, I believe, a glimpse of the European hemicycle,
27:19where sometimes MEPs disagree and sometimes, in fact, they agree.
27:23Thank you so much for being our guests on The Ring.
27:27Thanks, Maeve.
27:28And thank you so much for watching.
27:31If you have any views on anything you've heard today, please get in touch.
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