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Еврокомиссар по вопросам миграции: "Нам нужно вернуть доверие людей"
Еврокомиссар Магнус Бруннер считает, что новый Пакт о предоставлении убежища и миграции решит проблему, которая долгие годы подпитывала популизм. Он также настаивает на необходимости переговоров с талибами и обсуждении вопроса о "центрах возвращения" со странами, не входящими в ЕС.
ЧИТАТЬ ДАЛЕЕ : http://ru.euronews.com/2025/12/02/ev-s02e13-brunner-all-languages
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Еврокомиссар Магнус Бруннер считает, что новый Пакт о предоставлении убежища и миграции решит проблему, которая долгие годы подпитывала популизм. Он также настаивает на необходимости переговоров с талибами и обсуждении вопроса о "центрах возвращения" со странами, не входящими в ЕС.
ЧИТАТЬ ДАЛЕЕ : http://ru.euronews.com/2025/12/02/ev-s02e13-brunner-all-languages
Подписывайтесь: Euronews можно смотреть на Dailymotion на 12 языках
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01:28Это хорошая база.
01:29Это не perfect, конечно, не.
01:31Есть некоторые куски missing, но я всегда говорю,
01:35что это лучше иметь 70% чем 0%.
01:38И поэтому мы должны иметь пакет имплемент.
01:40Это очень важно.
01:41Это важно.
01:42Те мембер-статки находятся в порядке.
01:44Есть какие-то challenges, конечно, до 2026, но мы находимся в порядке.
01:51И это важно имплемент.
01:53Миссing pieces, как регулирование, safe third country, safe country of origin,
01:59это тоже важно.
02:01Это то, что мы предоставили, но выполнять пакет, это важно.
02:06Мембер-статки договорились на это, и это очень хорошая база.
02:08И после этого, конечно, мы должны продолжать развиваться в целом политике.
02:12Вы говорите о регулировании механизма.
02:14Есть такая идея controversialа о регулировании.
02:17Такая идея, чтобы отправить индивидуальные, которые не имеют права в России, в Европе,
02:22к третьему страну.
02:25Где мы на этом?
02:26Кто должен договориться здесь?
02:28И кто должен быть партнером на другой стороне?
02:31Я знаю, что Германия и Гриста сейчас говорят о странах в Африке, например.
02:35Ну, нашу роль здесь, как комиссионер, является правильным правом,
02:39чтобы уйти и правильным правом, и это же, что это обращение о регулировании.
02:46Мы предоставили это очень быстро, в первые 100 дней.
02:51И теперь это в парламенте и в консультах, и для парламенту и в консультах,
02:55чтобы уйти и консультах, чтобы уйти в консультах.
02:57Но это важно, потому что мы имеем ситуацию, что только один из 5 людей,
03:01которые в Европе, в Европе, в Европе, в Европе, будут вернулись,
03:05что не так, я бы сказал, и что люди в Европе не так,
03:10что я совершенно понимаю.
03:12Это почему мы нужны новые правила.
03:15Это почему регуляция очень важна.
03:18И, да, есть возможности для парламентства,
03:21чтобы посмотреть новые solutions, новые, innovative solutions.
03:25И Ретерн Хабс, это один из них.
03:28Поэтому, павить ими, сделать это фреймворк,
03:32и сделать это возможным для парламентства,
03:34чтобы посмотреть на возможности, как Ретерн Хабс,
03:38это важно, и это то, что мы сделали с Ретерн Хабсом.
03:41Но вы не хотите, чтобы украинские комиссии,
03:42чтобы не договориться на behalf of все парламентства?
03:45Нет, мы можем поддерживать их, конечно,
03:46когда это относится к договорам с третьими странами,
03:48где мы также поставим миграция на таблое.
03:51Это миграция и дипломатия, я думаю, что это важно.
03:53Но, конечно, когда это касается конкретных академий,
03:56то это для парламентства, чтобы они сглаживали это.
04:00Они должны отправить нам сглаживание в предыдущем,
04:03чтобы мы сглаживаться, чтобы все эти законы были осуществлены,
04:08и все эти функции были осуществлены.
04:11Это важно, что есть безопасности, которые есть.
04:14Но это для парламентства, чтобы мы сглаживались.
04:16И мы сглаживались, что это хорошо, я думаю,
04:18и что это делает меня оптимистичен,
04:20что некоторые парламентства работают вместе с этим,
04:23и пытаются найти коммунальные solutions,
04:27которые очень хорошие, и мы поддерживаем это как комиссия.
04:29Так что, между новыми правилами,
04:30европейские страны должны дистрибить,
04:32между собой, от least 30,000 ассайлум-секеров по году,
04:36или платить денег, сделать финансовую компанию.
04:41Что случится, если все страны optат за эту вторую опцию?
04:45Ну, мы вернемся.
04:46Именно мы просто об
05:10И мы имеем очевидные правила на это в ПАК.
05:13Это очевидный механизм, и это мы предпоследовали две недели
05:17назад, что мы предпоследовали к Мемберстатам, к Канцелу,
05:19и теперь это Канцелу, чтобы решить.
05:22И это, к вашему вопросу, то есть договоры между Мемберстатами,
05:27в которой они идут, но для Канцелу, чтобы решить,
05:32hopefully, в Десембре, уже на СОЛИДАРИТЕ СИРКЛ.
05:37Я имею в виду, что вопросов, конечно, немного провокативно.
05:40Не каждый страны будет делать это, но мы имеем два страны,
05:43Полин и Хангрия, которые уже сказали,
05:45что мы не принимаем ни АСССР, мы не платим ни денег.
05:48Так что, какие последствия, если это происходит?
05:51Ну, просто возьмите Полин, как пример.
05:53Полиня, конечно, это пресс-прессор, потому что они на северной стороне,
05:57хирургия происходящих с Россией, и на Белоруссии,
06:01я видел это, когда посетили полно-Белоруссии,
06:04saw that migrants are actually used as a weapon,
06:07as a hybrid weapon, against the European Union.
06:09So we see that they are under pressure, of course,
06:13and also they took a lot of Ukrainians,
06:16so they were very helpful there as well.
06:18They integrated very well in their labor market,
06:21so they did a very good job,
06:22and we acknowledge that they are under pressure.
06:25So Poland doesn't have to take any migrants.
06:28There's no worries about that.
06:29And Hungary?
06:31Well, Hungary is a different topic,
06:34because Hungary decided or told us not to take part
06:37in the pact implementation,
06:41but then they don't benefit on the other side.
06:43So either you take part, then you benefit from the solidarity,
06:46if you are under pressure.
06:49And as I said before, it's not perfect,
06:51but Hungary could also benefit from the pact,
06:54and the whole European Union benefits from the pact,
06:56because we have better external border protection,
06:59we have safer borders,
07:03we have asylum procedures at the borders already.
07:06That's actually what all member states ask for
07:08and what the pact delivers.
07:10Hopefully Hungary will also look into it
07:11and look into the benefits they have
07:14from implementing the pact on the one hand,
07:16but also from the other regulations
07:17and legislations we delivered already.
07:21So illegal immigration in the EU,
07:23and that's what we're talking about here,
07:24fell by 35% between 2024 and 2025,
07:29and there has been a 95% decline
07:32on the Western Balkan route alone.
07:34And according to the Austrian government,
07:37for example, illegal migration is currently hovering
07:40at around 0%.
07:42What has led to these numbers?
07:45Is irregular migration still an emergency?
07:49It is still, of course, yes.
07:51Numbers are going down, that's good.
07:52That makes us optimistic also.
07:54You mentioned the numbers, 35% in general in the last year.
07:58And that is even before the new pact is being implemented.
08:00Yes, but we send signals already,
08:02and we have agreements with third countries as well,
08:07and that's exactly the point.
08:08On the one hand, it's the stability, of course,
08:10in countries like Syria, for instance.
08:13That helps, of course, that helps.
08:14And then also agreements with third countries.
08:18Just to give you an example, Mauritania, for instance.
08:20We have an agreement with Mauritania,
08:22and the numbers were going down immediately.
08:25And now we have zero departures coming from Mauritania,
08:28just to give an example.
08:29We have other challenges, of course,
08:31and other challenging countries, but it helps.
08:34So bringing our European house in order is the first step.
08:38That's what we have to do with implementing the pact,
08:40with the return regulation, with the safe country,
08:43and others.
08:45And then the next step is the external dimension,
08:48negotiating with third countries
08:49and putting migration on the table
08:51when it comes to comprehensive agreements with third countries.
08:55Despite all these positive developments
08:56that you just described,
08:58migration is still a massive discontent among citizens,
09:05and it still drives election campaigns.
09:08How do you explain that?
09:10Has migration policy become a political punching bag?
09:14Well, you can see, and what you mentioned is, of course,
09:17completely correct, that it's at the heart of everyone.
09:20It's a topic where everyone is, of course, worried about also,
09:25which I totally understand,
09:26because 10 years ago, the European Union and Europe all together
09:30took a lot of responsibility when we had the crisis in Syria.
09:34A lot of responsibility, but we didn't have any rules.
09:37We didn't have a system.
09:39We didn't have control over what is happening in the European Union.
09:42And now with this pact, with the new legislation all together,
09:46we try to get control back.
09:48And what your question is, in the direction your question was going,
09:53we need the trust of the people back.
09:55And with having control, with having rules, with having a system,
10:00we try to get the trust of the people back,
10:03between the member states also, but also to the people in Europe
10:06and to the citizens in Europe.
10:08Well, same with Schengen, right?
10:10Whenever there were some migration issues,
10:12some countries closed the borders immediately.
10:15Is that trust-building as well?
10:16Is that the way forward here,
10:18if Schengen becomes a thing you can pick whenever you want?
10:21No, of course, Schengen has to work,
10:23and I think Schengen is one of the best examples
10:27how Europe can work, the best achievements we have in Europe,
10:31and it has to work.
10:32What can we do to make it work again
10:34is exactly implementing the pact,
10:37because in the pact we have the protection of our external borders.
10:41That is key to get rid of the internal border controls.
10:45And that's what the member states know, of course.
10:47There was pressure in the last years,
10:50so I totally understand that some member states had to take measures there as well
10:55with internal border controls.
10:56But our aim altogether is, of course,
11:00to get rid of these internal border controls to make Schengen work.
11:04And Schengen is something which, of course, has to be developed all the time.
11:08We have to keep Schengen going and growing also.
11:11And it's still very, I would say, very interesting,
11:15also for new participants of the Schengen area,
11:19like we had Romania and Bulgaria just joining.
11:22We had Croatia joining.
11:23So a lot of member states want to join the Schengen area,
11:27which is great, which is a good sign,
11:29because it's about free movement.
11:30It's about better economic growth also.
11:35But we have to make sure that we protect our external borders.
11:39And that's what the pact is all about.
11:42And giving the member states, in this case,
11:44the trust back that we have control over who comes into the European Union
11:49and who leaves the European Union also.
11:51And just to mention one thing on the pact,
11:54because that's also very important, our entry-exit system.
11:57We didn't know in the last years who actually, on a digital basis,
12:01who comes into the European Union, when and where,
12:03and who leaves it again.
12:05And now, with the entry-exit system,
12:07which we just introduced and started five weeks ago,
12:11where we already have more than 8 million registrations
12:14in the first five weeks, which is a good sign.
12:17So for the first time, we know who actually comes into the European Union,
12:21when and where, and then who leaves the European Union again,
12:24when and where.
12:25That is important, because that's how we hopefully get the trust back,
12:31because we have control over what is happening.
12:34One hot topic, especially in Germany, is the repatriation of people from Afghanistan.
12:40And what is controversial here is the fact that the government needs to talk to the Taliban
12:44in Afghanistan, the new rulers.
12:47Where do you come down on this?
12:49Is it legitimate to talk with the Taliban in order to get people home?
12:53We have to differentiate between acknowledging that there is a government,
12:59respecting the government, which we don't do.
13:01But not getting engaged with third countries,
13:04even though we don't like their governments and the way they're doing things,
13:08is still important.
13:09So on a technical level, I totally understand, and we support that as a commission as well.
13:14Our people, our experts were there in Kabul also to talk about possibilities,
13:20because not getting engaged means it doesn't get better.
13:24So, yes, it's not fun, it's not easy, but not getting engaged is not an option.
13:30So, yes, I do think we have to talk to these countries,
13:34even we don't, of course, recognize them as a government,
13:38but we have to talk to them.
13:40No option not to talk.
13:41So it is necessary to talk to countries that have a bad track record.
13:46Oh, yes, it is still necessary on a technical level.
13:49As I said, we do that.
13:50Some member states do it with Afghanistan, for instance,
13:54and we had these examples with criminals
13:56and posing a security threat to the European Union, to member states,
14:01and I think it's legitimate to send them back
14:05and to find solutions with these regions or countries,
14:11to find solutions to get them back to their countries.
14:14Yeah.
14:15Let's take a step back now and talk about the future of migration
14:20and how you see it,
14:23because getting people back is one thing,
14:27is also the fact that we need people,
14:29we need skilled labor just to keep our countries safe and prosperous.
14:34How do you think about that?
14:37Should Europe approach countries like Australia and Canada
14:40with quota systems, et cetera,
14:42and then they select certain professions that they need
14:46rather than others?
14:48Yes.
14:49We have to distinguish between the illegal migration part,
14:52which we have to do everything to fight against,
14:54because it's a business in the meantime,
14:57for smugglers, for human traffickers,
14:59and that's what we have to fight against.
15:00So that's the illegal migration part.
15:02No doubt about that.
15:04But then, of course, we have the legal migration part,
15:06and we need legal migration for our labor markets, of course,
15:09as you mentioned rightly.
15:12So finding legal pathways to come to Europe,
15:15but that it's us to decide who comes into the European Union
15:19and not the smugglers and the traffickers.
15:21That is, I think, key.
15:23And then, of course,
15:23we have some humanitarian responsibility also,
15:26of course, when it comes to asylum seekers,
15:28of people whose life is in danger,
15:32who are threatened by death in their countries.
15:36Of course, there we have another obligation.
15:38But distinguishing between those three topics is key.
15:42It's not always easy.
15:43But bringing our European house in order against illegal migration,
15:49only then, I think, we have the chance to find legal pathways.
15:53What we do on the legal part is we have issues like talent pools, for instance,
16:00which we just decided on in the trial between Parliament and Council,
16:06where we had a decision already, a positive decision.
16:08We have talent partnerships with third countries.
16:11As I give you an example, we were in India as a college,
16:14where it was also about partnerships.
16:17How can we adjust also our partnerships there?
16:20And the Indians told us we have a very good education,
16:24but maybe our education doesn't always match the skills you need
16:29in the European Union, in the economy there.
16:31So adjusting there is something very, very concrete,
16:35but also with other regions in the world, of course.
16:37Recently, you have met the Pope in Rome for an exchange of views,
16:43and you've said that the dialogue with the churches,
16:46you consider a task that is very close to your heart.
16:49What do you expect from this dialogue?
16:51Well, I had a very good meeting with the Pope,
16:55which is, of course, for me as a Catholic also,
16:58quite a very exciting moment.
17:02But when it comes to substance, it was a really good discussion
17:05and meeting we had because we are on the same page, actually.
17:11Respecting human rights, respecting fundamental rights, yes,
17:14but also fighting the human traffickers and getting control back in Europe.
17:19And I think the Pope totally agree with that,
17:22and also to distinguish between the different forms,
17:25the illegal part, the legal part, and the humanitarian responsibility.
17:29The Pope, of course, has backed the U.S. bishops
17:32in their criticism of the Trump administration
17:36and criticized the methods of that very radical migration policy
17:41and also the lack of respect for individuals.
17:45Do you think that the Pope should get into this political arena
17:50and take sides?
17:52It's not for me to judge what the Pope has to do or doesn't have to do,
17:56but I think the Pope is a very important and strong voice, of course,
18:01in the world, which is important,
18:03and getting his view is always good, I think.
18:07And that's why I was very happy to have this conversation with him.
18:13We take that very seriously as a European Union, of course,
18:16and the balance is always important.
18:18On the one hand, getting control back, showing the people
18:21and getting the trust also back of the people in Europe,
18:26and on the other hand, of course,
18:27respecting fundamental rights and human rights.
18:31But both can go hand in hand.
18:32It has to go hand in hand.
18:35But fighting the illegal part is so key
18:38in order to get the trust back and to get control back.
18:41The Pope and you have one thing in common,
18:43that is the love of tennis.
18:44Is it true that you gave him a set of tennis balls with the EU logo on it?
18:49I did, I did, yes.
18:51What did he say?
18:53Well, we thought about the present, which we bring to the Pope,
18:56and I knew that Yannick Sinner, when he played in Rome,
19:00gave him a tennis racket.
19:02And, of course, that's great for him.
19:04And then we thought, okay, it would be a good idea to give him the balls also,
19:07with the European Union flag on it.
19:11He was very pleased, I think.
19:14At least he laughed at our president.
19:17You were president of the Austrian Tennis Federation.
19:20Exactly, exactly.
19:21Fancy a match with the Pope?
19:23I would love to have that, of course.
19:25It would be a lifetime dream.
19:27Of course, that would be great, but I'm not sure whether that's possible.
19:32But when you get that, you'll be back on the show again.
19:34Yeah, we'll see what the outcome is.
19:38But, yes, I'm an incredibly keen tennis player, at least,
19:42and I used to be president of the Austrian Tennis Federation,
19:44and my whole family is a completely keen tennis family.
19:48All right, Magnus Brunner, EU Commissioner for Internal Affairs and Migration.
19:52Thank you so much for a great Europe conversation.
19:54Thank you very much.
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