00:00Do you think some in Europe are slightly confused about the approach taken to this issue and this sort of sometimes hot, sometimes cold approach he seems to have to Europe and its leaders on this particular issue?
00:15Well, they're used to it. And they recognize one thing is that Donald Trump has moved the goalposts. He's moved the goalposts. And this they were not able to do.
00:29And Biden was, in a sense, too much like them without being energetic enough. And Trump now is completely unlike them with their diplomatic traditions, but is willing to, you know, tip over the game, the chess game.
00:47So they're taking advantage of the dynamism and trying to re-inject traditional diplomatic concepts like what is sovereignty and what is freedom of navigation.
01:02And shall we have a scenario of war trials after the war is over, which is a demand coming out of Kiev.
01:16So they have become very expert at balancing this, but they have understood that Trump is one person, Rubio is a second, Witkoff is a third, and Hegseth is a fourth, and Jared Kushner is close to Witkoff.
01:35And with this sort of balancing act, they sort of see where the ball is going on this mini golf course and try to snatch the best situation and make it easier for Zelensky to demand things without insulting Donald Trump.
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