00:00I mean, what you're saying sounds very much like what a lot of European heads of state and leaders are saying.
00:07And they've been sort of shut out of the conversation.
00:10Well, at least they say they feel blindsided and somewhat excluded.
00:13I mean, why doesn't President Trump want to hear that line of argument?
00:17Well, I think it's OK to hear the line of argument.
00:19The question is, if you want to have Europe sit at the table with you and have a conversation, who is that?
00:24I mean, which of the 27 people speak for Europe?
00:27I mean, if it's Ursula, then that's fine, I guess.
00:31But I get the impression that it's not.
00:33And then within the 27, you've got, you know, the UK who have done a great deal of work, the Germans who have started to sort of kick in,
00:42the French who have been sort of slate to the game in terms of actually providing support,
00:47and the Spanish and the Italians who've done nothing.
00:49So does somebody who doesn't participate in the fighting of the war get to, you know, contribute to the discussions about ending the war?
00:57I think that's a fair conversation to have.
00:59What you're seeing here, though, Tom, is the general sort of antipathy that Trump and his administration have to dealing with multilateral organizations.
01:08They just, they don't like them, they don't trust them, they don't really get their full, they can't get their heads around them,
01:13and they'd much rather deal bilaterally with people.
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