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00:00So walk us through what exactly this memo said and what it means for Moderna.
00:05Yeah, so the main focus of the memo, this is from Vinay Prasad, he's a top FDA official.
00:10He's looking at, really focused on cases of myocarditis, which is inflammation of the heart,
00:17and he's saying that the FDA has found about 10 cases where children have died and linking that
00:24to COVID vaccination. There's still a lot we don't know here. He didn't present any real
00:29detailed evidence of how he came to this conclusion. So I think there's a lot of skepticism
00:34among vaccine experts. He also didn't go into great detail about what he might actually do.
00:40But investors, I think, are very on edge about the vaccine space and how the regulatory landscape
00:47is going to look ever since RFK Jr. took over as HHS secretary. Yeah, absolutely. So we're keeping
00:54an eye on shares of Moderna, as you can see, down 6 percent. But talk us through the landscape here.
00:59We're talking about Moderna because we're talking about COVID vaccines. But I have to imagine that
01:03this would have implications for other vaccine makers as well. Yeah, I mean, this memo, it really
01:07was long and very detailed. I mean, he talked about, you know, companies that make vaccines to
01:14prevent pneumonia. So some of the companies that work on that also saw their stock get hit. But yeah,
01:19I mean, this is something that really ever all year long, we've seen that ever since this
01:25administration has really been taking aim at vaccines. The COVID vaccines has been a real
01:30focus. We've already seen the population of people who are approved to get COVID vaccines has been
01:36narrowed. You know, and I think that another thing to keep in mind for a company like Moderna is a lot
01:42of the people who are getting vaccines, even though that number is declining, a lot of those people are
01:46older, you know, over 65. So, you know, they're looking at Vinay Prasad and the FDA are looking
01:52at these younger cases. But it's really the older population that's still getting vaccinated.
01:56Right. And put this into context for Moderna specifically, because we know that Moderna
02:01soared to really dizzying heights when it comes to the height of the COVID pandemic. But over the last
02:07five years, they're down about 83 percent on a total return basis. It feels like they've been trying to
02:13diversify away from their reliance on the COVID vaccines. But I have to imagine that this is a
02:18setback. Yeah, I mean, I think the big hope for a lot of Moderna investors is the potential for a
02:23cancer treatment in a few years. But another thing that's worth looking at in Vinay Prasad's memo is
02:28he talks about reevaluating how the FDA looks at flu vaccines. And what Moderna is hoping in the next few
02:34years is that they'll also get approval, not just for a flu vaccine, but also a vaccine that protects
02:39against both COVID and flu in one shot. So this is not just a threat to their COVID vaccine business,
02:46but also could affect some of the other products they're hoping to get to market in the next couple
02:50of years. And before we let you go, Jerry, how does this memo fit into the broader mosaic of what
02:55we've been seeing from the Trump administration? Yeah, I mean, I think that this is just more
02:59pressure on vaccine companies. I think it's been very clear since day one of this administration
03:05that they are going to take a really hard look at vaccine companies and how those products are reviewed.
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