00:00The BBC will make mistakes. I think people are trying to make an issue out of the Bellingham
00:05and Tuchel thing. Well, the Restless Fest taking place in September 2026. It will be a mishmash of
00:12all our podcasts. We'll be doing live shows here. I'll be doing the Restless football and it'll be
00:18quite nerve-wracking doing it in front of these many people, even though I've played in football
00:22with big crowds, but it's going to be a lot of fun. I think we've worked out it's really the
00:26chemistry between the hosts that makes a good podcast and they need to really, really know
00:32their subject and they need to have that little bit of magic between them. And also it needs to
00:41be regular. You can't do a series of eight and then disappear for three months. People want it all the
00:47time. So we have a motto called Always On. I listen to the news agents sometimes, depending on the
00:53subject, what's happening. I listen to one or two interview ones if I'm interested in the guest.
01:02So even, you know, I don't really love the ones that go on for hours. But, you know, there's still,
01:09if there's a good guest on an interview show like Joe Rogan, I will listen.
01:15And we've got so many now, obviously across the rest is particularly, and then there's Empire and
01:21there's the Sherlock and co, which is the best drama pod or the number one drama pod in the UK,
01:28which is ours. So I listen to all of them at different times. I listen to them when I'm walking
01:34my dog. I do it when I'm cooking, when I'm traveling, because I always get the tube or the train. So I'm
01:44trying to keep pace with all our podcasts. There are just not enough hours in the day to listen to
01:48every episode of every series, but I do listen to the vast majority.
01:53Well, the BBC, you know, it's a huge institution. I love the BBC and I love the people that work there.
01:58It will always have trials and tribulations. It can't not do. There will always be mistakes made.
02:04And clearly this was a silly mistake. I don't know how it happened. No idea. And they didn't even need
02:13to do that to make it look the way it did, because we all know he had something to do with January the
02:196th. So the BBC will make mistakes. It makes thousands and thousands and thousands of hours of
02:27television and news and stuff. So there's going to be the odd thing. And the four guys generally,
02:32the director general, pretty much all of them have had the sack over the last 30 years at some point.
02:38So there'll be ups and downs of the BBC, but it remains, it remains, I think, the most respected
02:45and the fairest media organisation that there is. So we can learn a lot.
02:53I don't, I think people are trying to make an issue out of the Bellingham and Tuchel thing. I don't think
03:00there probably is. You know, Jude's a huge superstar. He's just come back from injury. That's probably why
03:06I didn't put him in the last squad. Thomas Tuchel may be trying to make a point to Sho's boss. I suspect he's not.
03:16I think when they came over to this squad, he probably said to him, I'm going to, everyone's
03:21going to play, you know, one and a bit games. I'm going to give you half an hour in this game,
03:25and then you're going to play in the next game. And then the press, you know, they'll be asking him
03:30questions. And Thomas answers quite honestly. But I very, very much doubt there is an issue.
03:37I think it would be probably grossly exaggerated. I'm very, very non-confrontational. I can't cope.
03:44I can't cope with it. I don't like upsetting people. So I definitely couldn't be a manager.
03:51I could run a media empire, but not a football team.
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