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00:00Hello and welcome to The Ring, Euronews' brand new debate show broadcasting from the European
00:15Parliament in Strasbourg. Once a week, two elected members of the European Parliament
00:20will go face to face on some of the most pressing issues for Europe. And this week,
00:26it's the Green Deal, a drag or an opportunity for Europe.
00:31Europe's fight against climate change is at a turning point. While the 27 officially maintain
00:38a unified front on climate, ambition is slipping, targets are under debate and industry-first
00:44pressures are mounting. Recent events underline this tension. In the European Parliament, the
00:50central-right European People's Party joined forces with the far-right groups, Patriots for Europe and
00:55Europe of sovereign nations to ease the burden of corporate sustainability. The result? A balancing
01:02act between economic growth and climate responsibility that leads the EU at a crossroads.
01:08Can it still speak with one voice on climate action?
01:10But can the EU keep up a united front on what is now one of the most polarizing topics for Europeans? That
01:22is the question that we will be putting to our contenders. Let's meet them.
01:27Javi Lopez, Vice President of the European Parliament, member of the Socialist and Democrats Group. A champion of the fair-green transition, he believes global warming needs to be addressed immediately.
01:42We must make sure that Europe is on track in a socially just way, he said.
01:51Hildegard Bentele, German member of the European Parliament with the central-right European People's Party. A staunch advocate of slashing bureaucracy, she supports the green transition but not at any cost.
02:04Known for her work on the Critical Materials Act, she once said, if we are serious about the Green Deal, sustainable sourcing of critical raw materials is part of the solution, certainly not the problem.
02:17Welcome to the ring and thank you so much for joining us this week. It's beautiful being in Strasbourg. We're happy to see you. But of course, now let's get to the point of the question, and that is the Green Deal.
02:31Hildegard, perhaps we'll start with you. Is it an opportunity or is it now just simply a drag for this economy?
02:37It is a necessity. So there is no worries. We have to, as political leaders, we have to look into the future.
02:44And we decided to implement the Green Deal. We have to transform it, but we have to stick to it.
02:50When you say we've got to change it, transform it, what does that mean?
02:53That means we have to make out of the Green Deal a green industrial deal, because we cannot do it without our industry, with our businesses, and they have a hard time at the moment.
03:02Is that something that you hear, we want the Green Deal, but we've got to change it?
03:06Well, I agree that this is not only a green agenda, this is also economic agenda.
03:12In fact, the European Green Deal has to be our path to growth in the future.
03:18And we are sure that the efforts of today will be the competitiveness of tomorrow, because the green technology is the race, space race of the 21st century.
03:28But do you believe that the Green Deal can help the European economy?
03:31Because the economy is barely growing, and energy is a massive problem for all of the European industry all over the EU.
03:37Yeah, it's true, but then the point is, which is the reason?
03:40Why, during the last 15 years, we are losing the race of competitiveness and our economy that has to be more dynamic?
03:48And the reason is not the loss that we made during the last three, four years.
03:51It's not the Green Deal to blame?
03:52No, it's not over-regulation. The problem is the lack of investment.
03:55And the point is how we should channel better private and public investment.
04:00And this will be our discussion.
04:02Okay, but Madam Bentele, he says it's not the Green Deal. The Green Deal is not to blame for it.
04:07A lot of the industry, however, says you over-regulated too much, and there was no industrial plan to go with it.
04:13Was it a mistake? Great idea, badly implemented.
04:16It was not a mistake, but the deal part of the Green Deal was missing.
04:20Because, as Javi said, I fully agree, it should be, you know, an idea of growth, and we should, you know, create new jobs with this new economy we want to build.
04:31But this part has not been fulfilled because the setting is different.
04:34Because we had COVID, because we have the war in Ukraine, we have a trade war with Donald Trump, and we have China, which is much more assertive.
04:42So, the environment in which the whole Green Deal is taking place has changed a lot, and this has put a lot of pressure on the industry.
04:51So, how can this be adapted to a 2025 economy? As she mentioned, it's China, it's the United States, many issues for the European economy.
04:58What needs to change in 2025?
05:00Well, first point, like, sure, we can do better our laws.
05:04And, like, the discussions that we have about simplification, I think they are fair enough.
05:08We should try to eliminate administrative burden and overlapping of laws, something that happens sometimes in Europe.
05:17Many times, some would say.
05:18No, this is something that is there.
05:21This is first.
05:22Secondly, this is the main reason of the lack of growth in Europe?
05:26Not.
05:27Because if we see, like, the data, and this is the point, this is not a discussion about ideology,
05:32it's, first of all, we have countries in Europe with growth of 2.5, almost 3% during the last years.
05:39Spain is a good example of that.
05:41And with the same regulatory framework in Europe.
05:44But a lot of money coming from the recovery fund.
05:45Yeah, it's true.
05:47Investment, because investment is the key.
05:49It's not the regulatory framework.
05:51Secondly, and not only that, like, our problem was during the last 10 years.
05:56In fact, like, the main problem during the last years, it was our dependency of fossil fuels coming from Russia.
06:02And our dependency of our industrial base in the continental Europe coming from the cheap gas coming from Russia.
06:10And, like, with more green technology and renewals, we will be able to be more competitive in the world.
06:17Was it Germany's fault?
06:18He talks about a world in which Germany was hooked, an industry on cheap Russian gas.
06:22That has gone out the window now that there's blame of the Green Deal.
06:25But maybe the issue is much deeper.
06:27Germany had a bad economic model.
06:29And we paid for it.
06:30The whole model also of the Green Deal depends on cheap, affordable energy.
06:34And we used to have it, and I fully agree.
06:37But because of the war, if there was no war, we would still, you know, rely on cheap Russian gas.
06:43And until today, you know, there are new, you know, sourcing, there are new oil and gas, you know, drilling.
06:49So this model continues.
06:51But I think it's not wise to continue with it, but for resilience reasons, but not in terms of price.
06:57In terms of price, the high energy prices in Europe are the main obstacle.
07:01What's the solution?
07:01Is it simplification?
07:03Is it to simplify even more?
07:04Well, this is one part.
07:06Of course, we have to look at the legal requirements, which are not feasible, which are not economically viable.
07:11I fully agree.
07:12But we have to look into the real problems, which is energy prices and which is also, you know, investment.
07:18I agree.
07:18But we have a problem because we have not unlimited budgets because we had a resilience and recovery fund, which, you know, for the first time, the European Union indebted itself.
07:27And now we have, again, the problem that budgets are shrinking.
07:30And we have, you know, the challenge to invest into our defense industry.
07:36So there's less money left for measures supporting the industry.
07:39All the time at the same time.
07:41Do you agree?
07:42The issues we don't have money in Europe to invest?
07:44Well, I think our problem is not only, like, public budget.
07:47Our problem is also private investment because one of the main problems that we had is during the last year's private savings were, like, channeled to American investments because there they can find more profits.
08:02This was something that happened.
08:03And then why?
08:04Because we have a fragmented financial system in Europe.
08:08We don't have a banking union.
08:10We don't have a saving unions.
08:11Like, we should need to consolidate space in Europe to channel, like, private investments.
08:20This is something that we need because it's not only, like, about public.
08:23But my point here is, like, our problems are deeper than regulatory burden.
08:29It's deeper than the Green Deal because this is a hot topic.
08:31It's a toxic question for a lot of Europeans.
08:34Yeah, but it will be really easy if we're changing, like, three or four laws that we made during the last Monday that we are solving our problems.
08:41Our competitiveness problems.
08:43And to be honest, laws that they didn't enter into force, they cannot be explained by our problems.
08:50Some argue the targets are an issue, the 2040, the 2050, sending a very stringent industry or signal to the industry.
08:56Do you believe, Madam Bantala, that these targets, they are no longer relevant?
09:00They are relevant because we have set their direction and we don't want to change the direction.
09:03You don't want to change them?
09:04No, no.
09:05But we have to see.
09:05I mean, we just had, you know, the COP30 conference and we see the global competition and we can see China, which is, you know, the biggest emitter.
09:13And they don't set themselves as targets, you know, they follow the industry, the technology, how fast they can develop technology.
09:20And then they, you know, formulate their targets.
09:22So they do it the other way around.
09:24And I think we have to pay attention to this setting.
09:27And we cannot do it alone because we are representing 9% of the global population and our industry even less.
09:33So we have to adapt, you know.
09:35You're saying no.
09:36I can hear you going no.
09:37Our point is, like, we don't have to be fetish with the instruments, but we have to be clear with the goals.
09:44And this is something that we share here and we share in the parliament.
09:48Our point is, like, to have predictability and certainty in the rules that we are doing, especially to ensuring that we have enough investment.
09:58China, India, the U.S., they did not show up to the COP and they do not have the standards.
10:02Are we doing too much?
10:03It's a fair question.
10:04But, okay, we can talk about China if you want.
10:07China, the 50% of the cars that they are selling in their market, 50% they are electric cars.
10:16They are doing the 90% of the batteries or the solar panels in the world.
10:21They're coming here.
10:21A lot of them are coming here.
10:23Like, they are doing more than us in terms of green technology.
10:27Like, the point is, if we are ready to compete in the world that it's coming.
10:32This is the question.
10:33And to do that, we need predictability and a regulatory framework that helps and accompanies the private sector because they need help on this transformation that makes predictable what we are going to do the next 10, 15 years.
10:46I've got a final question on this point, however, and it's political and you are politicians.
10:50The pushback to the Green Deal at times seems to be part of the cultural war.
10:56Some believe that green has gone too woke.
10:58Is that something that you consider?
11:00Has green become too woke?
11:01Is that a valid question?
11:02Well, this is not what the EPP considers, but we have to see the result of the elections.
11:05And we have now three groups in the parliament which are pushing back, which do not believe that climate change exists.
11:12And that's what we can feel, of course.
11:14But what we need is more flexibility.
11:16This is all what I want to say.
11:17Well, let me stop you out right there for a second.
11:20And, of course, the show is called The Ring, so it is time to take the gloves off.
11:25Now, you both are elected to ask tough questions to each other.
11:32Obviously, your constituencies and the voters who put you here in this hemicycle expect that.
11:37So now this will be an opportunity to ask questions you can ask Javi and Javi will ask you.
11:43And I want to hear, you know, the punch that you have.
11:45We'll start with you.
11:46My main concern is the industry.
11:47So my question to you, Javi, is do you agree that we have to transform the Green Deal in a green industrial deal?
11:53That we have to take into consideration the situation of the industry and help it to become green?
12:00Yeah, my answer will be, of course.
12:02The European Green Deal has to be our strategy to grow and to create competitiveness of tomorrow.
12:10And we are sure that the race for the space race of the 21st century, it will be the green technology.
12:18And we have to be sure that we are accompanying the private sector and the industries in this massive transformation.
12:26And your question?
12:27The Green Deal is alive here in the European Parliament.
12:33It is alive, but we have to adapt it.
12:36I'm very sure because there are new concerns of the people, as I've seen.
12:41And if you look in the State of the Union speech of Ursula von der Leyen, she has also changed her focus.
12:46She put forward defense, housing, so more the daily concerns of people because they are, you know, cannot cope with living costs.
12:53So the concerns have changed.
12:55So I think the Green Deal, I mean, it's our responsibility to still work on it.
12:59But I agree with you, you know, with regard to citizens, the priorities have changed.
13:04Why is the APP, if you align me one second, why is the APP working with parties and groups that believe climate change is not real then?
13:10We don't work with them.
13:11So what are the votes that we're seeing in which there's two majorities, you can either work with the progressives or a form of hard right?
13:18Well, we always first try to work in the platform and only if we do not come to results or if the Social Democrats are not reliable in the plenary vote, then we just work on our content.
13:32We never work with the far right.
13:34We work with the EZR, but we never work with the far right.
13:36If they agree with our proposals, that's not our concern.
13:40The EPP is not working with the far right?
13:43Well, the EPP now, and this was a change in European politics, made majorities with the far right to pass legislation.
13:54This was what happened with the Omnibus One.
13:56And I think this is problematic not only on the content.
13:59And I think the discussion, it should not be only on the content because it's normalizing the position of the far right in European politics.
14:09And it will have consequence in medium-long term, also for the EPP, in my view.
14:14And to that point, can you clarify what is the position of the EPP?
14:18There's a lot of confusion.
14:20This is now a group that is willing to pick and choose in some files.
14:23You're willing to work with people that four years ago you would have never worked with.
14:26This is not true because we take most of the decision with the platform.
14:31And it's the left side who's also making decisions with the far right on other issues.
14:36But as I said, we always, as a first option, work with the platform only if we are deceived.
14:41And if we are very much convinced that these measures are urgent and these measures on Omnibus were urgent,
14:46I would have been killed back home if I couldn't bring a result from this vote.
14:50And we had to repeat the vote because we first tried with the Social Democrats and renew.
14:54She's making an excellent point. It's urgent.
14:57Could you give more leeway?
14:58Are you being too tough precisely to accuse him of being at work with the far right?
15:03We are being really constructive on these discussions on simplification.
15:07And the reality is we are not blocking any file and any decision.
15:11We are saying, like, we can discuss how to simplify, like, legislation in Europe.
15:17But my point is, like, the main problem is, like, the only discussions that we are having here in Europe is about simplification.
15:25And we will not fix our economic problems only with simplification.
15:29What we can do?
15:30We can discuss to have a deeper single market.
15:33This is something that Draghi and Letta says in their reports.
15:35To deepen the single market.
15:37We have a lot of sectors where we have problems on fragmentation.
15:40We should work on that.
15:42And if we work on these areas, sure, automatically it will be like the centrist majority.
15:46But it's not happening automatically.
15:48And the EPP did win the European elections with that agenda.
15:51So some would argue you should move.
15:53It's not for the EPP to move.
15:54No, like, we don't have to move.
15:56What we have to do is represent our voters.
15:58This is how politics works.
16:00And, like, represent our voters and their agenda.
16:02It's up to them if they want to win elections or not.
16:04And if they want to still be relevant or not.
16:06Yeah, like, we have to represent our voters with the best will of to have compromises and to build things together.
16:13But we will and the problem is, like, we will not fix our problems.
16:17Like, when you say, OK, green agendas to work, like the climate is to work, like the extreme events that we are seeing, especially in the south of Europe.
16:26We can tell to the people that it's dying when we have summers with too hot or when we have drops during winter.
16:35Like, to be honest, this is not about work agenda.
16:39This is about reality and adapt to a new reality and adapt to a new economy in the world.
16:44And this is what we are trying to do.
16:46But it's also true that, you know, industry is complaining for a long time over too much reporting, too much legal requirement.
16:52And I think we cannot close our eyes because we have to do both.
16:56We have to, you know, alleviate the bureaucratic burden.
16:59And we are now in November.
17:00And the first Omnibus was presented in January.
17:03So I think it's high time to deliver back home.
17:05But we should also do the other thing.
17:07But we should not neglect, you know, and listen to the industry.
17:10Because if you just do politics from Brussels and not listen to the stakeholders, we will lose them.
17:14The industry says either this happens or you're going to put a lot of people out of business.
17:18We are going to continue.
17:19But first, let me stop you here for one second because I want to bring in another voice.
17:28Now, Antonio Guterres, the Secretary General of the United Nations, spoke at the plenary in Belen.
17:35President Lula of Brazil said, well, COP30 is the moment of truth.
17:40It is the moment of the hard truth.
17:41And the hard truth is that we have failed to ensure that we remain below 1.5 degrees.
17:47This is a moral failure and a deadly negligence.
17:52These are very tough words from Antonio Guterres.
17:55I was struck by the brutality of the words.
17:57This is more negligence?
17:59Well, I feel that the world is not doing enough.
18:02But at the same time, I feel proud that Europe is working in the right direction.
18:07And we are doing efforts.
18:08We are making efforts in the right direction.
18:10The European Green Deal and all the difficulties that we have with that is a good example that we are pushing in the right direction the things.
18:18Well, emissions in Europe is an example.
18:21We were able to decrease 37 percent the emissions in Europe.
18:26We have clear targets for 2030 and for 2040.
18:29We showed up.
18:30What we get in return is that this is moral negligence and this is deadly negligence.
18:34Is this kind of language useful?
18:37Well, I'm not so sure about that either.
18:39And I think also, you know, Brazil has a moral obligation.
18:42And they want, you know, different things.
18:44They want to protect their rainforests.
18:46But at the same time, they want to drill oil.
18:48So, I mean, they're also playing on many cards.
18:50So, I think we should be more moderate with each other and see the progress we can achieve together.
18:57I feel the Europeans always get blamed and they got to pay the tab.
19:00Why is that happening?
19:02Because I think we are frontrunners.
19:04I mean, you know, we were very clear that we want to tackle the problem and we are leading to a certain extent.
19:10I mean, this is true.
19:11We have a responsibility.
19:12We've taken it.
19:13Oh, it's the Paris Agreement.
19:14So, it was made in Europe.
19:15And the reality is, the reality, and I understand the Gutierrez words on that sense, the reality is we are arriving to a point that it will be impossible to accomplish the goal of the Paris Agreement of 1.5 degrees of increase.
19:29It's impossible.
19:31It's almost impossible.
19:32We are moving to a world that probably we will have two, three degrees of increase of temperatures.
19:41And we're going to continue with the implications, but first, let's take a short break here on The Ring.
19:46But stay with us because we will be back very soon with more Political Punch.
19:51Stay on The Ring.
20:01Welcome back to The Ring, Euronews' new weekly show.
20:04I'm joined by MEPs Javi Lopit and Hildegard Bentele.
20:08And the idea here is to bring the European Parliament's debate to your couch.
20:14So, what about you?
20:15What do you think about the efforts when it comes to combating climate change?
20:20And according to the Eurobarometer, more than 8 in 10 EU citizens believe it is urgent to take action, while 38% feel personally exposed to climate-related risks.
20:33Also, 79% believe that more public financial support should be invested on the prevention and the transition to clean energy.
20:45Are you surprised by the numbers?
20:46It seems there is really broad consensus.
20:49This is something Europeans really want.
20:50Well, this is a bit abstract, you know, when it comes to renovate your house, to, you know, change your heating, when it comes to buy electric core, when it comes to buy a product which has recycled materials, and it's a bit more expensive, you know, then, you know, attitudes change.
21:05So, the proof is in the pudding, you know, if other consumers are really willing to embrace these new products, and are they also ready to, you know, if their job is lost, are they ready to move to a different job in the new economy?
21:20But if we say, and here's the thing, we use very strong language, saying this is deadly negligence, the temperature will go up by 3 to 4, this is going to be a help for the Southern Europeans, and then we go, well, we need to work and figure out if we can get to an agreement, maybe they say one thing but vote a different one.
21:36I feel there's a massive gap between the language, the results that we played, and some of the actions that we debate here.
21:42Well, to be honest, sometimes I feel that we have to do more, and here at the European level, everything is slow and sometimes frustrating.
21:53It's true, with the green agenda and with more elements.
21:56At the same time, I can say we are moving in the right direction.
21:59We are the bloc in the world that we are doing better on that.
22:03We are able now to decrease our emissions and at the same time growth and deliver growth during the last years.
22:11And the problem and the point, it's not about the green agenda.
22:15The point is the model of prosperity of Europe is over.
22:18The model of prosperity based on cheap and easy energy coming from Russia, security cheap and easy coming from the United States, and products cheap and easy coming from China.
22:29This model of growth over the last 30 years is over, and we have to rebuild it.
22:34And a part of this rebuilding of this new construction of prosperity, it will be green agenda.
22:39But this green agenda, it is the problem.
22:42And again, I try to make sense of the poll that we played that brought support with the fights that we see day in and day out in this parliament.
22:49Is the issue, perhaps, with all due respect, the politicians and the politics, you're doing too much politics around the question of green?
22:55No, no, I don't think so.
22:56But I think it's too much politics.
22:58I don't think so, no, no, but I think the problem is, you know, it's a problem which is in the future.
23:02I mean, we feel some effects of climate change, but not yet that strong.
23:06We know what will happen if the tipping points, you know, play in.
23:09But at the same time, we have to see that we are lagging behind because our, you know, the change comes too late because we have missed some very crucial developments in industry policy.
23:20So we have lost advantage to China.
23:23And it's not possible to keep up with it anymore.
23:26We will lag behind.
23:27We will, you know, assemble the curse of the Chinese.
23:30And the Chinese don't just copy.
23:32They innovate.
23:32They are innovating.
23:33They have good quality in the meantime.
23:35And they are very strong and very dominant and very big.
23:37It changes everything in a way for Europe.
23:40But now, of course, it is time to move on.
23:42We'll continue on this.
23:43But we do want to get to the fifth and final round.
23:46Are you ready?
23:51Now, it's time for something different.
23:53And I'm going to ask you, we've done a lot of chit-chatting, talking, debating hard on the stage.
23:59But I want to move on to yes or no questions.
24:02Let's see if it's doable.
24:04But I'll try my best.
24:05And I want to start with this one.
24:07Perhaps with you.
24:08When it comes to 2050, net zero, is that still realistic?
24:13Yes.
24:13It's binding, not only realistic.
24:17Binding and realistic could be two things.
24:18Do you believe it's realistic climate neutrality by 2050?
24:21These are two different things.
24:23No.
24:25You still say yes.
24:27Well, we can do it.
24:27It's not realistic.
24:29It's a no.
24:29It's binding, but it's not realistic.
24:32Voila.
24:33Let's go into wealthier nations.
24:34Should they be paying more?
24:37That means that you should pay more.
24:39Yes.
24:39Internationally.
24:40Yes or no?
24:41Yes.
24:41And this is an international consensus on climate diplomacy.
24:45That the wealthier countries, we pay more because we emit more during the last century.
24:51Yes, no.
24:51Yes, no.
24:52Should we pay more wealthy countries?
24:53No.
24:53No.
24:54What about red tape?
24:55Should we continue to cut red tape more aggressively?
24:58Yes.
24:59Should we continue to cut red tape?
25:01Yes or no?
25:01More aggressively?
25:04Maybe.
25:05We have to ensure this process.
25:10Can simplification, however, coexist?
25:13And just to remind our viewers, simplification is to strip back some of the red tape around green policies.
25:19Can that coexist really with green protections?
25:23From the outside seems a contradiction.
25:24Yes or no?
25:25Yes.
25:27Yes.
25:28But simplification is simplification, not just regulation.
25:31The regulation.
25:31And this is something that sometimes here, when we are talking about simplification, it's not simplification.
25:36Okay.
25:37Is the Paris Agreement still valid?
25:39It should.
25:40Yes or no?
25:41Yes.
25:42The Paris Agreement is still valid?
25:44It's valid, but we have not met the targets.
25:47Just finally, should farmers be rewarded for sustainable agricultural prices?
25:51Yes or no?
25:52For sure.
25:53Should they continue to be rewarded?
25:54Yes.
25:55Yes.
25:55And just lastly, when it comes to international support, do you believe India, China and the U.S.,
26:01all of which skipped COP, are they still allies when it comes to international climate policies?
26:06Yes or no?
26:08Should be, because we cannot find another one.
26:10It's the planet, it's formed with the countries that we are.
26:13India, China, the U.S. competing very hard.
26:16Are they still allies on this matter?
26:17All, but U.S. not on the federal level, but on the states level.
26:22They are very present.
26:23And we're not reaching the end of the show.
26:25And here's the question.
26:25We've had a great debate, but were you convinced by your opponent?
26:29It's called the ring, of course.
26:30Were you convinced?
26:31Well, we continue to work together.
26:34I think we are the center, the both of us.
26:36And it's our responsibility to make the green deal, the green industrial deal happen.
26:40Yes, I think that we have difference, but at the same time, we have a common space.
26:46And we have to work on that common space, because if we are not able to have common solutions together, it will be the far right who will impose their agenda for the next years.
26:57Okay, so for the Omnibus, the next one, it's on TV, it's caught here.
27:00You will work together based on this.
27:02It's, I mean, it's got to be.
27:04Yeah.
27:05Let's take hands on that.
27:06This is on tape, and we're going to keep an eye on this.
27:09Well, thank you so much to the two of you, of course, for joining us, Hildegard and Kavi.
27:14Thank you so much.
27:16And it's been great, obviously, to share this time with you.
27:19And on that note, we want to hear from you.
27:21What about you?
27:22Do you believe the green transition, green policies, is it still good for Europe, an opportunity or a drag?
27:28Please write to TheRing at Euronews.com.
27:33We want to hear your views.
27:34See you very soon.
27:35And, of course, back again on The Ring on Euronews.
27:38Thank you very much.
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