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00:00No, this is 49 years ago by the way, 49 years ago.
00:05Have I ever tried to take it out on any individual on the basis of where they're from? No.
00:12At school, categorically on the record, you did not racially abuse fellow people.
00:16I would never ever do it in a hurtful or insulting way.
00:19That's not quite the same as not doing it.
00:21It's 49 years ago. It's 49 years ago.
00:23What difference is the time there?
00:25I just entered my teens. Can I remember everything that happened at school? No, I can't.
00:30Have I ever been part of an extremist organisation
00:34or engaged in direct, unpleasant personal abuse, genuine abuse, on that basis? No.
00:40You're not quite... That's very, very caveated. You're not quite ruling this out.
00:44The question is, did you ever racially abuse fellow pupils in school?
00:48You've caveated it with a hurtful way. Not with intent.
00:51What do you mean, not with intent? I don't understand what you mean by not with intent. What does that mean?
00:54You wouldn't do. But what does that mean? No.
00:57No what? No. I have never directly really tried to go and hurt anybody.
01:03You're opening the door there to perhaps you did it without meaning to a friend.
01:06Have I said things 50 years ago that you could interpret as being banter in a playground,
01:14that you could interpret in the modern light of day in some sort of way? Yes. But isn't it funny?
01:17Okay, so you did say stuff to these people then.
01:19I've never directly racially abused anybody. No.
01:22Again, defined directly for me. What do you mean by directly?
01:25By taking it out on an individual on the basis of who they are or what they are. No.
01:29Again, taking it out on somebody is different to saying stuff to somebody.
01:32Have I ever misspoken in my life, in my younger days, when I was a child? Probably.
01:37So, that the people then who've made these allegations...
01:39Yeah, they've got good memories, haven't they?
01:40Well, they're telling the truth, are they?
01:41They've got good memories, haven't they?
01:42Are they telling the truth, Mr. Powell?
01:44Well, suddenly after 49 years, they seem to have perfect recollection.
01:47I would say to you, there is a strong political element to this.
01:52Would you apologise to them?
01:54If they were genuinely hurt, of course.
01:56Okay, so is that an apology? Are you saying sorry to those people?
01:58No, I'm not, because I don't believe I did anything that directly hurt anybody.
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