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00:00So when you go there it gives you very different or very unique perspective some of which we will be talking about today. Next one please. So very quickly just look at the difference in the capsules that are taking humans to space. On the left you see the first capsule that took Uri-Gagarin in 12th April 1961 to space and on the right is the Soyuz which takes humans to space today. Next one please.
00:24And this is on the American side. The first capsule that went, the mercury capsule and on the right is the capsule in which I went. A lot has changed. How it was, how it is now. A lot of technology has gone in. A lot of experiences that we have learned over decades have gone into developing something like this.
00:43Why it is important is because we are developing our own Kavinyan capsule or for Kavinyan mission. And we the lessons that we have learned from all of this from our training in Russia and in the US.
00:55All those lessons are being used to refine what we are going to make and in which we are going to send somebody to space from India. Let's see.
01:05So like I said, let's move on to the launch. You saw the rocket launch, you know, going up slowly, gradually in the video. But it is not slow, it is not gradual. I can tell you from experience.
01:17I thought that I have a familiarity to this particular phase of flight because I am a fighter pilot. I have flown fighter aircraft most of my life. But when the ignition happened, the nine engines of Falcon 9 when they came on, everything I knew just went outside the window.
01:35All the training just went outside the window. All the training just, I forgot. Now almost similar to when you get question papers in your exam. All the preparation that you have, you just forget.
01:45Now this is, this is out of syllabus, you know. But it is very powerful and very quick. I did not imagine it to be that powerful. So that was lesson number one. Because, imagine this if you can, you are going from zero kilometers per hour to 28,500 kilometers per hour in eight and a half minutes.
02:05That is the kind of acceleration that you experience when you are sitting in the rocket. It is massive and it is sustained for about eight and a half minutes.
02:14Now when you do experience this acceleration, your body actually experiences it, it feels it. And what happens is that when, right now all of you are sitting on chairs, so you are also experiencing acceleration that is 1G, but you don't feel it because you get used to it.
02:30But if I was to increase this, you will feel it. So in fighter cockpit also, you feel the G load when you are turning with more Gs, you feel that acceleration from your head to toe.
02:39So when you are under higher Gs, all the blood from your head, it goes down, it goes down to your legs. And so there are exercises, there are G suits that you wear so that you prevent it from going down because if there is no blood in your head, you will become unconscious at some point of time, which happens during flying sometimes.
02:57But then when you relax, you know, the blood comes back and then you, you know, start flying away.
03:03The issue with the space flight is that if you are aborting at a higher altitude, you will be subjected to about 18 to 20 Gs.
03:10That means 18 to 20 times the force that you are experiencing now. It is almost like a baby elephant sitting on your chest. That is the kind of force you will experience.
03:17So your spine cannot take it. It will collapse. So the seats are reclined so that you experience this through your chest. Body has more tolerance in this axis.
03:26But the problem is when this gets compressed, you can't breathe. So you have to push your stomach. So these are all techniques that have evolved over a period of time.
03:34Can you go on with the next one? And please let's go.
03:38Because of the next two, the one is, this is the one.
03:43Upside.
03:44Upside.
03:48Upside.
03:49Upside.
03:53Upside.
03:58Upside.
03:59Upside.
04:01Upside.
04:05Upside.
04:07You can pause it.
04:35Now this what you saw is the GX through your chest and if you would see I am opening
04:39my mouth at regular intervals and I am trying to exhale forcefully so that immunization
04:44happens as a passive exercise.
04:46The next.
04:47Say this one and say the next video.
04:56Thank you very much.
05:08One, two, three, breathe.
05:15One, two, three, breathe.
05:23One, two, three, breathe.
05:36One, two, three, breathe.
05:38One, two, three, breathe.
05:42So the other video that you saw was the GZ which is from head to toe and I told you
05:50I was at 8G in this left one, the GX.
05:53Can you guess what was the G on the right?
05:55Which one was more difficult according to you?
05:57The right side.
05:58So what was the G in that?
05:59It was seven Gs.
06:01Less than the one on the left one, the GX.
06:06So that is how difficult it is, you know.
06:08So when you see a launch, you know, from sitting from outside and you are going to study about
06:13all this, pay attention, understand how much goes into making something happen.
06:18This is just one aspect that I am picking up.
06:20Now imagine if I have to do something, if I have to operate a button, my hand becomes
06:25eight times heavier.
06:26To take my hand to just operate a button, that becomes challenging.
06:29So all these are very nuanced and very complex things that have to be kept in mind when you
06:34are planning for a mission.
06:35Next one please.
06:37So now you do all that and now you reach space.
06:41You saw a video, we gave a small speeches from space.
06:45But space is two things, first I can tell you.
06:48It is a lot of fun.
06:50You know, you are essentially swimming in air.
06:52You know, if you have swam in water, it takes effort.
06:55But swimming in air, it's effortless.
06:57It is very easy.
06:59But the second thing, it is very disoriented.
07:01So on ground, you have a very strong sense of up and down, left or right.
07:05But in space, that sense goes.
07:07There is no up and down or something.
07:08So if after some time you are upside down, you won't even know.
07:11You would, you know, not feel that this has happened.
07:15I remember during the first few days, I was very hesitant or I was trying to maintain that sense of orientation as we have on earth.
07:23So if there is a module and there is, let's say a floor, there is no floor, but let's say a floor and a roof and walls on the side.
07:30And if there was a NASA, there was a NASA snot working on one of her experiments.
07:34So there was no way for me to go past her.
07:36So I sat down and I was waiting.
07:38There is this other NASA snot who came to me, what happened Shooks, you are waiting.
07:42I said, yes, she is in the way.
07:44And she started laughing.
07:45And she took my hand, took me to the ceiling and said, walk here.
07:51And, you know, it takes time for your mind to realize that this is possible.
07:55So then you start walking on ceilings, you start walking on, you know, walls, you start walking wherever.
08:00You use the 3D space completely.
08:03But that change has to come.
08:04Your mind has to understand that this is possible.
08:08And the other thing that happens is your understanding of microgravity itself.
08:13No, it is not that there is no gravity in space.
08:17There is gravity.
08:18We are very close to Earth.
08:19But you are in a free fall around the Earth.
08:21So you don't experience gravity.
08:22Everything is falling.
08:23I am falling.
08:24The station is falling.
08:25Everything inside the station is also falling.
08:27So if I was to take this paper and leave it in microgravity, it will stay here.
08:32It will not fall down relative to me because it is already falling with me.
08:36But your mind doesn't know that.
08:38So I was very hesitant to let go of anything.
08:40And if I had to leave something and do work on something, I would search for someone and
08:44ask them, can you please hold this for me?
08:46And I had two first-time flyers with me.
08:49They would also hold it.
08:51You know, and so all of us are floating in space.
08:54Everybody is falling.
08:55But they would also hold it and stand next to me.
08:57And till that I have finished something.
08:58So this takes time for your mind to adjust.
09:01Can you move to next?
09:03Look at this.
09:04This is an example of what I just told you.
09:08If you see the microgravity of one atomic activity, then same setup.
09:12Delivative.
09:13That's all.
09:14That's all.
09:15That's all.
09:16That's all.
09:17That's all.
09:18That's all.
09:19That's all.
09:20That's all.
09:21That's all.
09:22That's all.
09:23That's all.
09:24That's all.
09:25That's all.
09:26That's all.
09:27So you see, it is possible to leave things and I'm sure when I was leaving those lens
09:38and camera some of you must have felt, it will go.
09:44That is exactly how you feel in the initial few days.
09:46But then after seven, eight days, you become really comfortable.
09:48comfortable you leave things you work and then you grab things and you come back the problem
09:55happens that you come back to work with this concept in mind and i remember the first evening
10:02i was working on my laptop and i was replying with some mails and instinctively sitting on
10:06the bed i closed the laptop took it to the side and i left it very quick course collection you
10:13know instant feedback you get your mind gets oh this is not going to work here but the important
10:18aspect is your mind is really a very powerful tool it can make you believe things that are not there
10:25happening around you it is really something extremely powerful and it needs some training to
10:29get adjusted to this new and unique environments next one please the other interesting concept
10:37about space is the concept of weightlessness there is no weight in space you can lift 200
10:43kgs 300 kgs you can move it slowly it is not a problem at all it is very easy
10:49but mass is there so you have to be really careful of how you move things how you move it around
10:54something we'll see in this video next
10:59so before you play this is my commander dr peggy bittson who is the most experienced american
11:04astronaut as of now she has spent 695 days in space and we used to joke that she breaks the record of
11:11some of the satellites that are out there you know in terms of safe space but she's here demonstrating
11:17she's moving a heavy bag or huge bag which is used to transport a lot of heavy equipment
11:22so just look at how it is so just look at how it feels let me take a little mass okay
11:28move this bag it's a large thing how do you want to move very large bags
11:34you have to very be very careful though because you have to control the mass
11:39so you don't really do that so they can get away from it what is it that you have in this
11:46so you see almost 250 kilometers away so easy to live but you have to be really careful when you
12:08move things the space station construction was possible because of this attribute of space
12:13there are such heavy equipment that goes your modules cannot be just sent into space
12:19all the equipment inside gets sent separately in different missions so once the structure is
12:23there these payload racks these heavy equipment was transferred later on and installed there by the astronauts
12:30next one please
12:33a lot of changes happens to your body when you go to space because your body has never seen this
12:38environment this is it is a lack of gravity so all the fluid from your leg it moves to your
12:43head it becomes bigger as you can see the image on the right on your right is you will see my head
12:49it looks kind of swollen it happens for the first few days your heart slows down because it doesn't
12:54have to work against gravity i didn't check my heart rate while i was in space but when i came back my
13:00resting heart rate increased to 94 which is generally in the range of 58 to 60.
13:05you are floating in space but everything inside your stomach is also floating so you don't feel hungry
13:12you i did not feel hungry for about three to four days at all i had to force feed myself and thereafter
13:17your body gets used to it and you understand and it becomes normal you also become taller in space
13:23very excited some of you i see are happy to hear this news i was also very excited you know that i'll go
13:32and i'll gain the mind you do i gained about five to six centimeters of height when i was in space
13:37but the problem is when you again come back to earth you've come back to your original height so
13:42it is not a lasting change the only thing you get is back pain twice when once when you are growing
13:47taller you are coming back you don't use your muscle space at all it is effortless like i told
13:53right now even when we don't feel it you are sitting on chairs walking getting up everything your muscles
13:59are being used because you are opposing gravity in the space or microgravity environment there is no
14:05gravity to counter so you don't use your muscle at all in my 20 days of uh stay i lost five kgs of weight
14:11out of which four decimal two was muscle mass that is the kind of degradation that happens such rapidly
14:16in just a short span of time next one please
14:21then there are psychological challenges you are in a confined environment you know the dangers that
14:27are there outside and whatever you do there are always some alarms going on some caution going on
14:32you know sometimes it's a fire warning sometimes it's a pressure lock leak that is going to program
14:37the environment there is no gravity to counter so you don't use your muscle at all in my 20 days of
14:42state i lost five kgs of weight out of which four decimal two was muscle mass that is the kind of
14:47degradation that happens such rapidly in just a short span of time next one please
14:55then there are psychological challenges you are in a confined environment you know the dangers that
15:00are there outside and whatever you do there are always some alarms going on some caution going on you
15:05know sometimes it's a fire warning sometimes it's a pressure lock leak that is going to trigger and
15:10sometimes a collision that is going to happen because of space debris and it happens most of
15:15the times it is benign and you don't have to respond to it to the maximum level but the threat is real
15:22you understand the risk so when you plan for your own space missions especially for long duration
15:29missions you have to address these psychological challenges how do you prepare the crew to deal with
15:34this to navigate this you know they are on their own they have no idea no help from anywhere they have to
15:39tackle everything within that with the resources that are there so how do you prepare for this and
15:44that is why the training becomes a really important part next one please okay this i have talked about
15:51next one so you do all that and then there's time for you to come back so all the energy that you gain
15:58the 28 500 kilometers per hour has to be dissipated now and you use your atmosphere to dissipate it so
16:05when you come back the capsule due to the atmosphere it generates friction drag because of which it
16:11slows down but the speed is so much that it heats up and when it heats up when i say heat up it is not
16:18a few hundred degrees it is in thousands around 4 000 degrees fahrenheit is at a bridge or outside the
16:22capsule so your capsule is covered in a big fireball huge fireball and you can see the fire you know from
16:27the windows that are there in the crew dragon and i remember we were very excited to look at it but
16:33how does it look you know this fireball so it changes colors all types of colors orange green blue
16:38red everything you see outside and then it becomes a steady stream of orange and red but what was
16:44interesting was that going up also we experienced about 4.8 g and coming back also we experience about
16:504.8 g but this time it feels much more because your body is not used to it it was used to an environment of
16:56microgravity i remember even opening my eyes my eyelids were feeling heavy i could feel that i have
17:03to put in effort to open my eyes 0.3 0.4 g feels like 2 to 3 g that is the kind of difference that happens
17:12and then when you're out of this plasma is the time you are in the atmosphere and that is the time
17:16your parachutes are deploying and every parachute deployment when the drone deploys it feels somebody
17:21has hit you from the back it's that kind of a noise because the pyros get fired and
17:26then there is a jerk and then the main parachute and then finally when you splash down on the water
17:31which is the biggest of all the impacts next one
17:38once you have splashed out in water the story doesn't end you have to survive after that so you
17:43prepare for nominal as well as off nominal scenarios what if there is a leak what if you have to get out
17:48of the capsule very fast all that is a part of a training i remember that there was one scenario wherein
17:54the four of us the four crew of four we had to we were given a situation that there is a leak in
17:59the capsule and you have to go out of the capsule as soon as it's flash down under three minutes within
18:04three minutes so we had to throw the life raft out we have to throw the satellite phone out we have
18:09to wear the personal safety vest and then we have to jump out one by one four of us and i remember
18:14we could do it in two two and a half minutes it was not easy but it was a part of the training
18:19but something that i learned in hindsight was that when you come back from space you are not as active
18:26and as you know muscular as you were when you were going to space coming back it is even challenging for
18:32you to walk straight for you to get up you know something can you go on to the next show the video
18:49okay i think that there is there is some issue with the video but if you would say this you would
18:55find me struggling to walk straight and moving left or right and falling down you cannot walk the minute
19:01you come out you will fall down because again your brain has forgotten how much effort it takes for
19:07you to stop from falling down you know how many muscles have do you have to activate to stop from
19:11falling down so under those conditions how do you ensure that within three minutes the crew will get
19:16out again a huge challenge a big challenge small things but have a very big impact
19:25so what it entails is what is shown on the screen you know all of this has to be done
19:29before you can launch someone to space and i'm just only touching the surface of an iceberg if you
19:35have if i can put that analogy in place it's a lot of things that you have to take care of it's a lot
19:40of things that you have to plan and also plan what if this doesn't work what will we do then so the
19:47design becomes extremely challenging next one please
19:49okay i will just take two minutes to explain to all of you where are we standing as a country right
20:01now so india is on its own path of executing human space missions our latest space vision was the policy
20:10came out in 2023 it clearly lays down that we will execute mission gaganya which is sending some humans
20:15to space bring them back we will also have our own space station martin and rick station which is
20:20being built right now it's it's under discussion phase and then eventually an indian landing on the
20:26moon by 2040 it's a very exciting time to be in this country at this point of time and i'm sure
20:33that one of you would be possibly you know who sets foot on the moon he or she
20:39but i i'm still here i'm not going so you will have to compete with me you know to go to moon
20:45we will be in competition but i'm saying it is a very exciting time you know it just gives you the
20:51energy of what are we doing as a nation we are launching from our own soil on our own launch vehicle
20:55in our own capsule and indian will go to space and come back i think it's a magnificent time to be
21:00here in this country and as a segue now i will use this and tell you one thing that i've not spoken
21:09about is how does earth look from space you know which is what i would like to show you next it is
21:15a bright future for our country i'm very excited about all the possibilities that the country is
21:20going to provide us and you are all going to be recipient of it so i have a video that we are flying
21:27over india and i will be showing you that it's a night pass we are coming from the indian ocean which
21:32is from the southwest side and we'll be going to the northeast side and the most beautiful thing in
21:38that entire india pass you will see is the bangalore city
21:45it's the brightest city in the southern parts of our country and that stands out really stands out
21:51you will also see flashes going on which are essentially thunderstorms or lightning that are
21:56happening on earth which is very clearly visible from space and towards the end you will also see
22:00an orbital sunrise you know how it looks when sunrise happens in space so let us have a look at that video
22:08so the green glow that you see is the curvature of the earth and the top of the stars and bottom is
22:15the earth see the flashes these are all thunderstorms
22:23this is india emerging and the brightest city that you see is bangalore in the south and then there is
22:29dhairabath i am pulling under here and look at all the lightning that is happening so rapidly
22:35and this is the sunrise
22:42and this is the sunrise
22:48so like i said the future is really bright are you excited looking at this was it good
23:10how many of you would want to go to space and see this fantastic
23:14that is what we want you know to go to space and see this and i'm very happy and i would thank all the
23:22the ministers are raising their hands in the air
23:27i'm very happy and very excited to see the kind of enthusiasm that is being created around this sector
23:34and i would thank the government and all the bureaucrats who are making it happen
23:38and sir you said that you know you would like me to be involved and do this i would say that i'm always
23:45available this is one of my mandate and job please let us make this happen together
23:52we have great ambitions and great vision as a country you know landing on moon by 2014 bixit bharaj 2047
23:58but it will not happen on its own so my message to all of you kids is please be an active
24:04participant think that i will take india from here to be in bixit bharat in 2047 because it is going to
24:09be your time not ours and in the end i would like to only say uh wonderful minister was mentioning
24:16that on top of this word or sky is not the limit i said something similar from space which
24:21i would like to reproduce here sky was never the limit not for me not for you and not for me
24:28okay we'll have uh interaction uh with a group captain shubhan shisukla very quickly i have to ask the
24:46questions but anyway i would like to tell you about thousand people are watching this program all over
24:51karnatata in fact okay this is one thing and here is the rocket bahubali rocket which is going to
24:57launch group captain shubhan shisukla as part of the gaganyan program and here is the gaganyan spacecraft
25:03model okay we have kept everything now let us ask the first question who will ask the first question
25:09one minute one minute that boy it's practical don't yeah quickly mike mike mike
25:15how did you train for low gravity on earth before going to space yeah there is not a very good
25:26method of training for sustained low gravity on earth the only closest thing comes is the
25:34the closest thing that comes is the parabolic flights that we have the aircraft so an airbus or an il class
25:40of aircraft is completely empty from inside and then it is padded it flies straight and then it goes and
25:46makes its parabola so for about 35 to 40 seconds you experience microgravity on earth and you get
25:52multiple episodes of that but the same no thank you i will ask we have a question from that girl in the end
25:59yeah yeah you are the one yes please can you tell us about some of the experiments that you did on
26:06during your mission yes so we did take seven experiments that were prepared by indian researchers
26:14all the experiments were designed and conceived with the intent that we also want to enable our own
26:20space flight so i will tell you two one was we did stem cell research how to prevent muscle degeneration
26:28we wanted to check what are the effects of some of the supplements in space in microgravity and second
26:33we grew micro ld to see if they can act as a possible source of nutrition for long duration missions
26:39in the future thank you thank you before we take one more question from here see all the way 700
26:46kilometers away one person one student has asked in canada she has asked sir antarikshadali
26:53you have told this what were the changes was there any change in your body
27:01when you were in space when you were in space but you have answered that already
27:04so he's asking if you feel nauseous when you come back to Earth
27:15you do feel nauseous when you go up you also feel nauseous when you go up you also feel nauseous
27:22So, he is asking if you feel nauseous when you come back to her.
27:31You do feel nauseous when you go up, you also feel nauseous when you come back but it depends.
27:36Everybody doesn't get the same symptoms.
27:38I was quite okay when I came back but my commander was not feeling really well.
27:42Going up, she was perfectly okay and I was feeling nauseous.
27:45Yeah, that boy there.
27:46Yes.
27:47So, how do we lose height which we gain from the space and later after landing on the
27:52earth?
27:53So, you gain height in space because again there is no load on your spine in microgravity.
28:00So, it expands, your spine expands but when you come back to earth, the load comes back.
28:06Gravity is there.
28:07So, it comes back.
28:08Okay.
28:09That girl.
28:10That white shirt.
28:11Yeah.
28:12Please.
28:13Quickly.
28:14So many people are waiting.
28:15Okay.
28:16Quick, quick, quick.
28:17Good morning sir, my name is Tanisha.
28:22I am studying in 10th standard in Future Citizen of the World School.
28:27I have four questions for you and I will finish it very fast.
28:31Four questions?
28:32Yes, sir.
28:33I will do it very fast.
28:34One.
28:35Millions of children in our country, including myself, aspire to become astronauts.
28:43Only one in a hundred million will get a chance to become astronauts.
28:47What is your advice to these aspiring astronauts who might never get a chance to go to space?
28:54Yes.
28:55Great question.
28:56It is absolutely true.
28:57Not everybody will get a chance to be an astronaut.
29:00But I can tell you from my personal experience, you know, it is not just the astronaut.
29:04To send one person to space, it takes thousands on ground.
29:07And everybody's job is really exciting.
29:10It is interesting.
29:11So even if you are a part of this entire exploration, you get to live this through someone.
29:16Some will become, some will not become, but you can contribute by being an engineer, by
29:20being a researcher, by being a doctor or any other profession which allows this entire
29:26mission to happen.
29:27So, yes, you see the face.
29:29Even for me, you see me who has gone to space and come back, but it would not have been possible
29:33but for the efforts of thousands of people who have supported this mission and made this
29:37mission happen.
29:38So, I think even that is extremely incredible, so we should aim for that.
29:42And if you get to be a part of this, you will find it, it is very exciting.
29:48That girl, I think in Kannada or English?
29:49Kannada.
29:50Kannada, you ask me, I will translate.
29:52Yeah.
29:53My name is Pradaldi.
29:58I am studying in Kanshtar.
30:00No, no, wait, wait, wait.
30:01That girl is already.
30:02Yeah, quickly, quickly, wait.
30:04Yeah.
30:05Let her ask in Kannada, I will translate.
30:07My name is Pradaldi.
30:08I am studying in Kanshtar.
30:09No, no, wait, wait, wait.
30:10That girl is already.
30:11Yeah.
30:12No.
30:13No, no, no.
30:14No, no.
30:15But that's okay.
30:17Question any tomorrow?
30:22Question any tomorrow.
30:24I love you.
30:25After you come.
30:25Ah, after you came.
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