Alex Honnold Answers Rock Climbing Questions

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00:00I'm Alex Honnold.

00:01Today I will be answering your questions from the internet.

00:03This is climbing support.

00:09At kittywillow12 asks, at the risk of sounding stupid, what's the difference between rock

00:13climbing and bouldering?

00:15That's not stupid.

00:16Don't worry, kittywillow.

00:17Basically, bouldering is just a type of rock climbing.

00:18Rock climbing is kind of the more inclusive term for all things climbing.

00:22Bouldering is the more specific version where you're not using rope, you're not using equipment

00:25and you're climbing kind of smaller things like boulders.

00:28At ktrell35 asks, why don't free climbers wear parachutes?

00:32Most cliffs are actually less than vertical, so if you were wearing a parachute, it wouldn't

00:36help you anyway because you bounced on the cliff.

00:37A few people have climbed things with parachutes and you can fall off of very specific cliffs

00:42in the world with a parachute and it could conceivably be safer.

00:45But for the most part, if you fall off a cliff, you're going to bounce down the wall.

00:48Alright, here's a question from at Laura J. Wilkinson.

00:52Do rock climbers still follow the quote, maintain three points of contact, end quote, rule?

00:56So what she's referencing is three points of contact is how you stay controlled on the

01:00wall in situations that are dangerous.

01:01Yeah, you should probably maintain three points of contact.

01:04Now we're kind of all about no points of contact, like people jumping from hold to hold and

01:07swinging and doing all kinds of athletic, gymnastic movement.

01:10And that's cool and that's super fun, but if you're climbing in the mountains and you're

01:13looking at serious consequences if you fall off, like yeah, you should probably maintain

01:16three points of contact and move very deliberately and carefully.

01:19The Reefer Brigade asks, what's the biggest climbing mistake you or your partner has made?

01:23What do you learn from it?

01:24It's like there's so many mistakes, like what comes to mind is like a friend and I were once

01:28climbing all cap wall style, like so camping on the wall and he flipped over the hall bag

01:32to look at something.

01:33He thought it was closed, but it wasn't.

01:34So basically he like poured our food in our stove, just dumped them off the wall.

01:38We start a couple of days to go and we're sort of like, now we have no food, no stove.

01:41We're sort of like, that sucks.

01:42That just came to mind because I was just on a wall the other day and I was joking about that

01:45story because it's like, let's make sure we don't drop the food off the wall.

01:48The lesson from that was that you have to clearly communicate with your partners.

01:52Big Time Maka asks, what slang do rock climbers use?

01:56I bet it's like, okay, lads, let's dust up our thingies and grip some cliff.

02:00I've never said that when I have, but no, there's tons of jargon.

02:04All the holds have specific ways to refer in like what you grab, like underclaring side poles,

02:08gastones, like different types of things, the way you grip them.

02:10It's a whole vocabulary, which I won't go into because it's extensive, but I think that's

02:14true for any activity.

02:15If you get really deep into a thing, there's all kinds of specific words to relate to the

02:19thing that you're doing.

02:20At Plunk R 19 asks, do rock climbers spray shit on their hands for better grip?

02:26That is probably the key.

02:27I thought he meant actual poop and I was like, no.

02:30Climbers use chalk on their hands all the time.

02:31It helps dry your skin.

02:32So you get better grip, lick your fingers to like moisten a little and then chalk and then

02:36grab.

02:37I mean, there's a whole thing around moisture and dryness and whatever.

02:40Basically people just use chalk, like dry powder chalk, the same as a gymnast.

02:43Dr. Pablo Pistola asks, got a pesky cut on my thumb.

02:48Guitar teacher suggests that I use super glue, what do rock climbers use?

02:51Yeah.

02:52Rock climbers use super glue a fair amount.

02:53I mean, if you're climbing and you cut yourself, depending if you're on a rope, you can just

02:57hang there.

02:58And if you have tape with you, you can tape it up, you can deal with it.

03:00Often you don't have anything with you.

03:01So then you just finish the climb with one finger bleeding.

03:04I climbed something last year that was really sharp and my partner and I was climbing with the

03:08rope.

03:09But we didn't have any tape with us.

03:10And so I split one tip, which is like when you cut your fingertip and then I split another

03:14one.

03:15And then so then I was trying to climb on my back three fingers because my first fingers

03:18were bleeding.

03:19And then I split both my middle fingers and then I was trying to climb on back two.

03:21And then I basically decided to call it and give up and we cheated our way past and carried

03:25on to the top.

03:26I basically had my front four fingertips bleeding and it's kind of like, I definitely should

03:30have brought tape.

03:31I was like, what an idiot.

03:32But you know, live and learn.

03:34Desperate Craft 8656 asks, any advice on how to stop being as nervous before or during a

03:39climb outdoors?

03:40I like that their user image thing is this really muscular, it looks like Sylvester Stallone

03:46or something.

03:47It's like, well, it's like for sister harm.

03:49And I think the best way to overcome that kind of fear is to just slowly build up so that you

03:54feel comfortable.

03:56If you're scared climbing outside because you think your rope's going to break or something,

03:59just climb a couple of feet off the ground and then sit on the rope and bounce on the

04:02rope and like basically learn to trust the equipment and then systematically take on bigger

04:07challenges.

04:08Because your first time climbing outside, you might be scared just a few feet off the ground.

04:12That's fine.

04:13Just get comfortable there and then go a couple of feet higher.

04:15I think the only way to really overcome that sort of fear is to slowly build up and establish

04:19a solid foundation.

04:21That beat officer asks, how many of you climb in a state of quote unquote flow?

04:25They were reading this article and they have a link.

04:27How often are you able to reach this state?

04:29For me, flow is why rock climbing is perfection.

04:31How about others?

04:32I basically climb, you know, five days a week for the last 30 years.

04:35So I climb all the friggin' time.

04:37And I would say I climb in a state of quote unquote flow every once in a while.

04:40To tap into something special to me requires climbing that has consequences, climbing that matters

04:45a lot to me, climbing that's, you know, challenging in the right way, climbing that's different.

04:49I suspect that actually not that many people climb in a state of flow that often.

04:53But I agree though that that is the beauty of climbing is that it does allow you to access

04:57those kind of states from time to time.

04:59At throwaway and ting, as we all know, climbing is a mental strength test as well as physical.

05:04How do you improve the mental side of climbing?

05:07So when they're climbing a hard problem, they have a tendency to give up or not commit or not

05:10push themselves to their complete limit.

05:12I really want to be able to push myself as hard as possible.

05:15Any tips?

05:16A lot of people sort of lie to themselves like, no, I tried my hardest.

05:20But when you're watching, you're like, no, obviously you didn't try your hardest.

05:22You tried much harder.

05:23You just gave up because you got scared or whatever else.

05:25At least if you know that you're giving up prematurely, that's the important first step.

05:30And I think training the mental side is really just like training the physical side.

05:33It's something you have to practice trying your very hardest.

05:35It's like, I'm going to give 100% max effort, just like, bah, bah, you know?

05:39You kind of have to identify what's holding you back and then, and then work on it.

05:43At Unity Follow Hub asks, real talk climbers, what's the scariest moment you've had while

05:48climbing?

05:49Maybe it was a sketchy hold, a surprise storm, or a wild swing on lead.

05:52Share your story.

05:53Who's got the most epic tale?

05:54How many stories do we learn about that time?

05:56I thought I was going to die.

05:57I've like broken holds while soloing and had both footholds break off this thing.

06:00And I wound up just dangling by my hands, like, while down soloing this tower in Africa.

06:04It was like, whoa.

06:05It was like, it felt like mission impossible.

06:07You know, it's insane.

06:08I've been in a lot of scary situations with the rope where you're like, oh, I can't find

06:11good protection.

06:12This seems kind of scary.

06:13Like the rock quality seems bad, whatever.

06:15But you keep pushing because you have a rope on, you have gear, you're like, surely the

06:18protection will get better eventually.

06:19You're like, surely if I get higher, I'll be able to find an anchor eventually.

06:22And you keep pushing and you keep pushing for sometimes, you know, an hour, like into the unknown.

06:27It's like getting scarier and scarier.

06:28And you're like, but it can't get worse than this.

06:30And then you keep going and you're like, but now it started to rain.

06:32You're like, it's getting worse.

06:34Here's a question from Mick Dreads.

06:36I'm just going to summarize this question, but it says that they're basically looking for

06:40extra exercise to do in addition to climbing.

06:42Currently, they're hangboarding once a week, pinching weights, doing while he lifts an extensive

06:47workout routine.

06:48I mean, I think the main thing is that he probably just needs to climb more.

06:52All the other workout stuff is all supplemental or sort of in addition, like if you have the

06:57time, but if you want to be good at climbing, you have to climb.

06:59MayTheLordoPenn26, oh, MayTheLordOpen26 asks, what's in your climbing bag?

07:07Do you even use a bag?

07:08If not, I see some people coming with just shoes and a chalk bag.

07:11For my climbing bag, which is like to go climb outside.

07:13I always think shoes, harness, chalk bag.

07:14It's basically like, do I have my three things?

07:16My shoes, harness, chalk bag.

07:17And then you check, make sure you have your rope and your gear and whatever else you need

07:21for a specific day, like food and water.

07:22If I'm going to the climbing gym, I often just carry my shoes and my chalk bag in my hand and just

07:26walk in and take off my street shoes, put my phone in my shoe, and then just, you know, climb.

07:31But a lot of people bring a little skin kit.

07:33They bring water bottle and a snack and things like that.

07:35ConsciousPaws964 asks, why are climbing shoes so weirdly shaped?

07:40Climbing shoes in general are asymmetrical and downturned.

07:44So they're hooked like a talon and they focus all of your weight on your big toe.

07:48So it does feel like weird shape because the whole thing is to force your foot into a little hook shape.

07:52Because you're trying to stand on things sometimes that are the width of a quarter with just the tip

07:56of your big toe.

07:57You know, like it's pretty small.

07:58You know, it's like you really want to focus as much as possible onto one little point.

08:02AtDinosmore asks, what was your climbing progression slash timeline like?

08:06How quickly do you progress from V1 to 2 and then 2 to 3?

08:10What grades do you start plateau?

08:11When do you start seriously training?

08:13If you're starting as an adult, expect to progress more slowly in a way.

08:17Partially just because your connective tissue, your tendons and ligaments and your hands and

08:20fingers just won't be strong enough for your mass.

08:23Whereas like if you're a kid, it's just easier to grow into it quickly.

08:26But I just think you shouldn't be caught up on your climbing progression.

08:29It's like you're not going to get a medal for getting to a certain grade.

08:31Do your best, have fun, have a good time with your friends and see where you get.

08:34AtLarryHandy007 asks, at Alex Honnold, do you carry your cell phone when you climb?

08:40Yes, I mostly do.

08:41I mean, typically I just have my phone in my pocket and if I'm not soloing by myself in the middle of nowhere,

08:45I mean, I often listen to music on my phone while I cruise around.

08:48Then if something's really serious climbing, then often I'll take it out of my pocket

08:52so it doesn't restrict mobility and so you're not distracted and whatever else.

08:55Ndekusu asks, WTF is a carabiner?

08:59Here is a carabiner.

09:00It has a little gate, you open it, it clicks, it's amazing.

09:03It allows you to connect things together.

09:05It's a piece of metal that you can secure to protection in the rock and then you can clip your rope into it.

09:10Okay, here's a question from TheBrainJay.

09:13Assuming there are no bolts or preset anchors on the mountain, how would a climber rappel down?

09:17Do they set an anchor, rappel down and leave the anchor there?

09:19Is there a way to set a retrievable rappel anchor?

09:21Basically, they're asking if there isn't already an anchor in place,

09:24what do you do to rappel off of something?

09:25Climbers almost always leave a fixed rappel anchor behind.

09:28So if there isn't something there before because you've, say, done a first descent,

09:31no one's ever been there before, then you build something and you leave it behind

09:34and then other climbers will use that in the future.

09:35If your anchor is built such that you can flick the rope and it'll fall back down,

09:40you're kind of like, does that sound that secure?

09:42You know, it's like basically retrievable anchors are just not that secure.

09:45And so climbers, in general, prefer to build solid anchors

09:48and just leave them behind for other people to use.

09:50Somebody on Quora asks, why in the years since Alex Honnold pre-sealed El Cap,

09:54has nobody else even attempted to do so?

09:56I think because it's hard.

09:58I mean, it took me a very long time personally to build up to pre-sealed El Cap

10:01and I had to do a bunch of other things to kind of get there.

10:03And so far, nobody else has even really taken any of those first steps.

10:07Like nobody's tried any of those other routes or sort of started the process of learning how to do it.

10:11That's not to say that somebody won't at some point.

10:14And I have started to hear some rumors of like certain kids and certain people

10:18that probably have the talent and the disposition and, you know,

10:21maybe will be able to at some point.

10:23There are a lot of people who might have the potential to go down that path,

10:26but then they might have one really scary experience where they're like,

10:28you know what, this isn't for me.

10:30And they just focus on other aspects of climbing.

10:32Or they might die in the mountains in an avalanche,

10:34which has happened to a lot of up-and-coming solos and things like that.

10:37This is a question from exoticeyes1536.

10:40They asked how helpful drones can be for route finding,

10:43especially the more vertical terrain.

10:45Does anyone have any experience using their drone?

10:47If so, what are their thoughts?

10:49I've been on a bunch of trips actually where people have used drones to help navigate.

10:53So navigating glaciers, let's say, or navigating through really dense jungle.

10:56Occasionally you can punch a drone up through canopy and kind of get a sense of where you are

10:59in a landscape.

11:00In general, I don't think people ever use drones for specific rock climbing objectives,

11:06like choosing where your holds are basically because the resolution isn't that fine.

11:08I think drones can be incredibly helpful for navigating crevasse fields and things on glaciers.

11:13I mean, I actually don't know how to fly a drone,

11:14but teams that I've been with have used drones.

11:16All right, so here's a question from a deleted user.

11:19If I'm new to climbing, I don't understand how the grading system works.

11:22Could someone explain it to me?

11:23Climbing grading is basically a subjective scale determined by just how hard it is to climb something.

11:28And it might have to do with how tiring it is, how small the holds are,

11:31how physically demanding, like how much it requires of your muscles to get up a climb.

11:35And then the other thing is that rock changes all the time, holds break.

11:38Sometimes that makes things easier.

11:39Sometimes that makes things harder.

11:41A climbing grade is always kind of an open-ended conversation.

11:44Like if enough people do it and say that it's harder than that or easier than that,

11:47then the grade changes.

11:48And that's why climbing grades can feel almost silly sometimes,

11:51because if you're particularly good at one style and particularly bad at another style,

11:54the grades can feel all over the place.

11:56And there aren't that many people who are well-rounded enough at everything

11:59to make the grades feel correct.

12:01It's taken me a long time, but I actually do feel like I'm now kind of good enough at most

12:05styles that I'm kind of like, you know, like it does actually feel like the appropriate grade,

12:08but it took freaking years to get there.

12:10Vanilla Doctor asks, anyone here at 35 plus, what are your thoughts, observations, advice

12:14in regards to climbing training as you age?

12:17I hate to think that 35 plus is considered aged as a climber.

12:20I am now 40.

12:21And so the only real thing is as you age, you just need to take more rest days from time to time.

12:27You know, as a 20 year old, you can climb 30 days on and just recover overnight.

12:31As a 40 year old, you need to rest a little bit more.

12:34It hasn't been that crazy yet, but I'm sure by 50, you have to rest quite a bit more.

12:39At Just 2025, Jim asks, how important is your weight?

12:43Do you not gain a few pounds now and then?

12:45Would you postpone a climb if your weight increased by say five pounds?

12:48Yeah, no, that's a fair question.

12:49I mean, strength to weight is obviously a very important part of climbing.

12:52It's not just weight that matters, it's strength to weight.

12:54And so if you gain some weight, but you feel much stronger,

12:57that's probably weight that you want to carry.

12:58I've been sort of grappling personally with like, do I want to be this heavy?

13:01But I'm also like, but I like being this strong.

13:03And so you're kind of like, ah, ultimately it just comes down to your own performance

13:07as a climber.

13:07Like, do you feel strong doing the thing?

13:10At Cowan McGarry asks, would you ever consider mountain climbing?

13:14I was like, do I not mountain climb?

13:16Come on.

13:18Do you think that that would be too hard or just not enjoyable?

13:20And do you want to stay with rock climbing?

13:22I think that at Cowan McGarry is maybe drawing too much of a distinction between

13:27rock climbing and mountain climbing.

13:28I would say I do a lot of mountain climbing.

13:29I mean, honestly, in the last week I've climbed two big snowy mountains like in storms,

13:33you know, just hiking up a peak.

13:35Maybe he means like high altitude mountaineering, like climbing Mount Everest and things like that.

13:39And that I probably will never do in my life just because it's, I think, too big of a trade-off,

13:44like too much time to go on trips like that.

13:46Too much time away from family, too much time not rock climbing.

13:48But no, I definitely climb mountains all the time.

13:50I mean, that's part of rock climbing is going to the mountains and climbing things.

13:54Jazatra asks, do I ever listen to music when I climb?

13:58If you do, what's your favorite music to listen to?

14:00Back in the day, I used to climb with the overhead headphones,

14:04like little earbud things, and I would do one year in, one year out.

14:06Because if you're soloing, like you need to be able to hear if like the rock is moving

14:10or if something shifts or if you hear sand and things like falling in a crack.

14:13Now I just play the speaker off my phone because that way I can hear everything around me,

14:17but still listen to music, which is basically all rock,

14:20which is fitting because I'm rock climbing.

14:22At Rye Lone Roth, I have a question.

14:24How do rock climbers get that rope all the way to the top?

14:27Wouldn't that mean they already climbed the rock?

14:29I think they're maybe missing some of the fundamentals of climbing,

14:32which is that typically you get the rope to the top by climbing to the top.

14:36You tie into your rope at the bottom, you climb up the wall, and as you climb,

14:39you put protection into the rock, you clip your rope into it.

14:41And then once you get to the top with the rope, then you bring up your partner.

14:44Or vice versa, your partner takes the rope up and brings you up.

14:47But somebody has to actually climb the rock, and that is the essence of rock climbing.

14:52At PK Performance asks, who's your climbing role model?

14:55For me, I've always looked up to Tommy Caldwell, who's now a good friend of mine as well.

14:59People like Peter Croft, also a hero of mine growing up and then now a friend as an adult.

15:04I really like climbers who are lifers, basically people who have devoted their whole life to the craft

15:09and who are still doing it, still good at it, still love it.

15:12I'll certainly be climbing my whole life.

15:14I mean, I just love climbing.

15:16I love easy climbing.

15:17I love rambling around in the mountains.

15:18Like, I'll for sure do that my whole life.

15:20And new to this Reddit Biz asks, what are some bucket list rock climbing destinations

15:25that you're familiar with and would recommend?

15:27Well, first and foremost, Yosemite Valley, the most beautiful place on earth.

15:30I mean, it's so incredible.

15:31I love Yosemite.

15:32It's so great.

15:33But I mean, I'd say most climbing destinations are quite scenic.

15:35So many climbing areas are in national parks or in other beautiful public lands.

15:39I mean, for international places, Patagonia comes to mind.

15:42You know, there's a reason that it's famous tour assassination is very, very beautiful.

15:45I mean, some of the best rock climbing in the world are on islands in Greece and things like

15:49basically they're all in these places that are incredibly beautiful to visit.

15:52So you're kind of like, you know, it's not the, it's not the worst sport to get into.

15:55At Vermillion Orange asks, best place in the US to live for access to great climbing.

15:59Just curious, looking to hear different opinions.

16:01Once they graduate college, they want to move out west, but I'm unsure which state city.

16:05Let me know your perspective.

16:06So I live in Las Vegas, Nevada, which I think is the best four season climbing in the country

16:10by far.

16:11African love Las Vegas.

16:12The climbing is insane.

16:13I think it has the best access to hard climbing anywhere.

16:15I mean, there are a lot of other towns around the west that have good access to climbing.

16:19It really comes down to what your particular tastes are, what type of climbing you're looking for.

16:23But I prefer to rock climb all year.

16:24And so Vegas is way better for that.

16:27At Negan Zero, a bunch of numbers.

16:30Do you have any other free solo projects that you're working on?

16:32Yeah, I'm always working on a few things.

16:35But you know, just keep the cards close to your chest and see how things play out.

16:38I always have at least a couple things sort of on the back burner in my home around Las Vegas,

16:43like in Red Rock and various places.

16:44But maybe this winter, I might get into a couple of little ideas.

16:48At Mr. Jimson, ask bouldering apps.

16:51Question, what are the best bouldering apps?

16:53Do they serve different purposes?

16:54Curious what people use and why.

16:56I actually don't know any bouldering apps.

16:58Unless they mean bouldering apps as in board climbing apps, like the kilter app, the tension app,

17:02the moon board, all those types of things.

17:03Those are all incredibly useful, but they're terrible apps.

17:07I would say there's no good app for climbing right now.

17:10At JoeLane33 says,

17:12Mount Rainier is a place where very many Sasquatch encounters happen on the reg.

17:17Question, Alex.

17:17Serious question.

17:18Have you ever experienced or heard of any strangeness in the middle of nowhere

17:21while out on a climbing trip or any trip in general?

17:24I free soloed this wall in Zion in the winter and most of the climbs in Zion,

17:28you climb about a thousand feet and then you repel back down.

17:30But I was climbing without a rope, so I climbed a thousand feet

17:33and then I was going to scramble up to the rim of the canyon,

17:35which is about 2,000 feet higher, and then hike down the hiking trail.

17:38And because it was winter, there was snow all over the upper canyons

17:41and nobody ever goes up there because climbers typically repel.

17:44And so I basically just had to sort of piece my way up this 2,000 foot journey to the rim

17:48and I didn't expect it to be that snowy and I was sort of like, oh wow.

17:51And so I suddenly got into sort of, I don't want to say survival experience,

17:54but it all felt kind of extreme.

17:55I was like trudging around in the snow trying to find my way up to the rim

17:58and I stumbled upon these bighorn tracks

17:59and then I wound up following bighorn tracks all the way up to the rim.

18:02And I was like, this is how, you know, indigenous people have spirit animals

18:07and things like that because I was like, in a different world,

18:10this would be me saying like, oh, and then the spirit guided me to safety.

18:13The natural explanation is just that, you know,

18:14obviously bighorns are up there doing their thing as well.

18:17And some lonely bighorn was also trying to find his way up to the rim

18:20and I was just lucky enough that I found his tracks.

18:22He or she was very good at finding the correct way to the rim

18:25and it all worked out perfectly for me.

18:26Anyway, yeah, so now I have a spirit animal.

18:30Okay.

18:30Here's a question from Stoked Elephant.

18:33They're just getting into outdoor rock climbing

18:34and they're amazed by one thing in particular that I was not expecting from the gym.

18:38The fear.

18:39Holy crap.

18:40It's scary.

18:41Knowing that within moments of climbing of a boulder,

18:43you might fall and really hurt yourself.

18:45It got me thinking about those climbers who have multi-day climbs,

18:47a bellcap or other big climbs who sleep on the side of rock faces.

18:50Was it hard to fall asleep?

18:52I literally slept on a wall two nights ago.

18:53I was so psyched.

18:54Basically, like climbing a cliff is really hard.

18:57And by the time you set up your little camp and sit down in your sleeping bag and cook some food,

19:01you're like, it feels so chill compared to actually climbing the cliff.

19:04And so typically the camping part is incredibly peaceful and beautiful.

19:09I mean, you're in this incredible place and you're finally relaxed after a hard day of effort.

19:13And, you know, you're eating warm food.

19:15It's like, you know, I sleep like a baby and it's amazing.

19:19All right.

19:19Citrus1330 asks, how much does natural grip strength affect climbing potential?

19:24That's an interesting question because actually people who are insanely strong natural grip,

19:29I mean, yeah, obviously you have greater climbing potential.

19:32Sadly, I don't, but, you know, I've like worked hard at finger stuff my whole life.

19:36It's like hanging from a small edge.

19:38It's kind of like weightlifting basically where you just hang from an edge with your fingers

19:41and you can add weight to your body and, you know, load your fingers more and more.

19:44But the most useful thing is probably to climb as much as possible.

19:47Chacha12 asks, I'll try to sit up straighter while I read this one.

19:51What causes climber posture?

19:52How can it be cured?

19:53It's suggested that antagonist exercises like pushups and bench press provide healthy balance,

19:57but don't the pushups and bench press cause forward shoulders making the problem worse?

20:00A lot of climbers wind up sort of hunchbacked and sort of like leaned.

20:05And it basically stems from imbalances in muscles between pulling and pushing muscles.

20:08And it's kind of complicated which muscles and why, and it's probably different for individuals.

20:12Big picture is that if you try to, well, one, think about your posture,

20:16and then two, try to keep your muscles relatively balanced by evenly pushing and pulling,

20:20then you shouldn't get any crazy imbalances.

20:23Okay, that's it. Those are all the questions.

20:25Until next time, and you can check out my podcast, Planet Visionaries.

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