00:00people wanted to be like in with Rizzo and Savannah. Like I personally saw them as competitors.
00:04I saw them as people clearly being strategic, but like everyone thought like, oh, like maybe
00:10they'll like me too. And it's like, no, they are using you as a number. And I don't understand why
00:17we didn't just do a split vote where it's like, people could have still got me out if Rizzo
00:21played his idol. Like that's fine. But to not even get rid of the idol, like I know there was
00:27conversation about the devil, you know, versus the devil, you don't, but it's kind of just like,
00:32like, this is a game where you need to be able to take a shot at someone. And so you worry about
00:39that later. And so I don't know, I don't get it still. Do you think that the split split vote
00:46plan goes through if Savannah doesn't have immunity or do you think? I think so. Yeah. I mean, I think
00:51again, this is if people were being rational, it's like, clearly it's vote should be split,
00:58but I don't know. It's kind of crazy. Cause you think at like Juwan literally said,
01:03oh, I can't trust Rizzo, blah, blah, blah. And then for some reason he trusts Rizzo enough to
01:09get me out. And it's like, Juwan, we were playing the middle game together. We had, we had a alliance.
01:15We had an alliance of seven, everyone who voted out Nate, where it's just like, why did we give
01:19up our numbers? That's the part where I think people are seeing it. And that's how I still feel
01:23where it's like, why give up our numbers? Yeah. What about Sage? What went wrong with that
01:28relationship ultimately? So Sage and I, I mean, we didn't really have much in common. We were still
01:33friendly with each other. I just was under the impression that Juwan was kind of doing a lot of
01:40the brokering between her and Sage. Like Sage was kind of more chill, more laid back. And so I was
01:46focusing my attention on Juwan really just because he kind of, he just gave off that energy of like,
01:52oh, Sage will do whatever I want. Like, you know, like that type of thing. We'll, we'll make the
01:55decision. And so, um, that's why I really spent time talking to Juwan being like, all right,
01:59we're getting Rizzo's idol, right? Like why would we not? And then he's not trusting me. Like he even
02:05see, he told me Rizzo was coming after me. And so it's like, why would he then go back on that?
02:11It just didn't make sense. Even after the NAIT vote, was there a fear for you and the other
02:16Hinas about the Uli's getting back together and ultimately having that majority?
02:20I mean, it wasn't a fear for me because I just thought we had the numbers. Like, I mean,
02:27I think that the Uli were weak after the NAIT vote and that was our time to strike. And so when you have
02:34that split tribal council, like, yes, it might've been scary, but it's like, that's your time to take a
02:40shot. Um, and I think people were just not willing to do it. And Rizzo identified that
02:46I was kind of the one person who was ready to, to, to get him out. I game recognizes game. Like
02:53he knew I was playing and I wasn't going to let him get away with stuff, but other people were a
02:57lot more likely to. Yeah. You were accused of kind of playing both sides or playing the middle,
03:02so to speak, but it did seem like you were tightest with Steven, Christina MC. Was that who you're,
03:07you truly were loyal to was the Hina's? Yeah. I mean, so it's tough because the messy
03:13game play was just because I was friends with everyone. Like that's, that's really what people
03:17are describing by my messy game play, but I did. So I personally felt more connected to like a SOF
03:25to like a Rizzo and Savannah. And so that's why it was kind of hard when it was like, oh man,
03:29like they're in it against me. And so it's like, I was still trying to manage that with also,
03:34I was extremely close with Christina. Um, and then Steven and I bonded over the chickens,
03:40but so Christina ultimately is someone who I wanted to work with regardless. And Steven,
03:45I was still trying to feel out, but I didn't know how close he was to Juwan and Sage at that point,
03:50but I did want to work with him. And I don't know. What went wrong with you and SOF? Because I think
03:56everyone assumed that you, since you guys were from original blue together, you guys would probably
04:00still work together and kind of play the both sides against each other. So why did that relationship
04:03end up not kind of coming to fruition post murder? Yeah. I think it was the Nate vote. And I think
04:08it was because she was so in with Savannah and Rizzo. There was no way I could infiltrate that.
04:13She wanted to bring me into that, but I didn't just want to be a lapdog, but also there was this,
04:17the whole part of it wasn't shown, but basically SOF telling Nate about my idol and Nate wanting to
04:24come after me because Nate was like, oh, Alex is mischievous. He played an idol on Kella.
04:30And so basically my name was in his mouth. And so why was I going to go along with a group who
04:35one of their leaders, Nate was one of their leaders wanted me out. And so that's why I knew I
04:41couldn't loop in SOF about the Nate vote because she would have told Savannah and Rizzo instantly.
04:46And the whole plan would have went awry. And basically at that point, SOF couldn't trust me
04:52again. And it's like, we still were friends, but it's just like, I didn't tell her about that vote.
04:57And she was very upset. What was your experience with Savannah like? Cause we see multiple people
05:02on the show calling her a quote unquote mean girl. And she definitely has a big personality
05:06that we're seeing play out on the television show, but what was your personal relationship
05:09with her? And do you stand by other people's calling her a mean girl or do you disagree with
05:13that? So everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I'll say I personally do like Savannah.
05:19I, we had a good relationship. I think that she's tough. I think that she, it's the reporter in
05:25her. She asked the hard questions. She just speaks truth to power. She just says it. And I think some
05:31people are not used to that. I think sometimes she might cross a line of course, but I think that
05:38some people on my tribe or some people out there just felt that they've had experiences with bullies
05:45and they felt it might've been triggering for them just in the way, some of the things she would do.
05:49I personally do like her and didn't have a problem with her out there. I thought, I mean, like there's
05:55one point where she, like, I was talking about the killing the chicken and she got really frustrated
05:59with me at the mat. And that was hilarious watching back. Cause that's like, I mean, she's yeah. It
06:04kind of looks like, Oh, why is she freaking out about this? But it's like, it was so funny. And so
06:09that's just the way she is.
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