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WBA Lightweight Champion Julio Cesar Chavez faces WBC Champion Jose Luis Ramirez in a unification fight on HBO Boxing.  Plus an interview with heavyweight champion Mike Tyson.

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00:00:00Ramirez, the WBC lightweight champion, is on record one of the most experienced fighters in the sport.

00:00:15But Jose Luis Ramirez is a quiet man, content within himself, and character and expression are most clearly communicated through his actions in the ring.

00:00:30I think that Mexico and the world are going to come out winning because it's going to be a fight where there will be a little of everything.

00:00:41Class, friends, punch, a little of everything.

00:00:45He wants to beat me in this fight at all costs because unfortunately he hasn't had the recognition or the popularity that I have in Mexico.

00:00:56He wants to beat me so he can be more popular to show that he is also a great champion.

00:01:05Between them, these two warriors have entered the ring 166 times, accounting for 160 victories, over 857 total rounds.

00:01:15But it is the next 12 rounds in this ring tonight which will determine who is the best 135-pound fighter in the world today.

00:01:23As Julio Cesar Chavez meets his countryman, Jose Luis Ramirez, for the WBA and WBC lightweight championship.

00:01:31Tonight, world championship boxing comes to you live from the Las Vegas Hilton.

00:02:01in Las Vegas, Nevada, where HBO Sports will present a unification of the WBA and WBC World Lightweight Championship.

00:02:09As the undefeated WBA titleist, Julio Cesar Chavez meets his most experienced opponent to date, the WBC champion, Jose Luis Ramirez.

00:02:20A capacity crowd, very excited here in the Hilton Center.

00:02:25Just moments ago, this largely Mexican crowd watched the 21-year-old Mexican challenger named Raul Perez, largely unknown, lift from unbeaten Miguel Happy Laura of Colombia to WBC World Bantamweight title in a unanimous decision.

00:02:40And they're very excited now as they get ready for this bout between two great Mexican fighters.

00:02:47Hello again, everybody. I'm Jim Lafley, and welcome to Championship Boxing on HBO.

00:02:51As always, I'm working with one of the most accomplished and eminent journalists in the sport, Larry Merchant.

00:02:57Larry, we're going to see a fight which has a lot of significance for the sport of boxing.

00:03:01Well, let's judge it by what's going on in Mexico. In Mexico, this is bigger than big.

00:03:06It's as big as Hagler, Leonard, as big as Ali and Fraser, even as big as Tyson and Gibbons.

00:03:13That big.

00:03:14But Chavez had an interesting observation.

00:03:16He said a lot of people in Mexico are watching this fight with a sort of morbid curiosity,

00:03:21because they don't want one of their heroes to lose or to be humiliated.

00:03:25What that means for us is fierce hand-to-hand and head-to-head combat from a country that produces probably the toughest, skilled fighters, pound-for-pound, in the world.

00:03:39So, folks, put your children to bed. This isn't Halloween. It's for real, Jim.

00:03:44And it's going to be a real pleasure for us, Larry, working tonight with a man who stands in for our colleague, Ray Leonard,

00:03:50as Ray gets ready for his bout against light heavyweight champion Donnie Lalonde next Monday night.

00:03:56Kevin Rooney, trainer of Mike Tyson and one-time great welterweight boxer himself,

00:04:00will get his first shot as an HBO expert commentator.

00:04:03And, Kevin, we're going to watch two guys who are former stablemates,

00:04:06who have spent countless rounds in the ring sparring together.

00:04:09What will that mean to the bout?

00:04:11Well, that's going to mean a lot to the bout, because we spoke with Cesar Julio Cervez,

00:04:17and he wouldn't tell us, but he said, from those parts, that he knows Ramirez and he's going to have a surprise for him.

00:04:25So I feel they're both great experience fighters. Ramirez is over 100 fights.

00:04:30They're both tough. They're two Mexicans. They're going to go to war.

00:04:33I feel that that will be the advantage, but he seemed to have something in his mind when we spoke to him that day.

00:04:38And I think whatever it is, he'll capitalize on it, and I'll try to look for it.

00:04:42All right, Kevin, we'll look forward to hearing your comments as the bout progresses.

00:04:45Julio Cesar Cervez has already a well-developed persona in the ring as an unbeaten champion.

00:04:50He's working now on developing an outside-the-ring persona to go with it.

00:05:02Julio Cesar Cervez is seen by many as pound-for-pound the best fighter in the world today.

00:05:07And in his country of Mexico, he just might be the most recognized athlete of his time.

00:05:13But being recognized only for his skills as a fugilist is no longer enough for this young champion.

00:05:19Once content, living a low-key and anonymous lifestyle, Cervez now opts for the bright lights that boxing has to offer.

00:05:27And oh, how things have changed.

00:05:29It goes without saying that boxing is entertainment.

00:05:35And the more visible a fighter, the more his marquee value increases.

00:05:39As hard as Cervez has worked toward becoming a world champion, he's now working just as hard at becoming a marketing commodity.

00:05:45A Madison Avenue sweetheart.

00:05:47And why not?

00:05:48Advertising agencies have always looked to athletes to endorse their products.

00:05:52And for their services, they're paid big dollars.

00:05:54But most of these athletes have been household names, and more importantly, they speak English.

00:06:00Cervez's drawback is that outside the world of boxing, he's still unknown.

00:06:04And he doesn't speak English.

00:06:06At least, not yet.

00:06:08I know that I am at this advantage because I do not speak English, but I am trying very hard.

00:06:33I'm learning the language for myself so I can be someone in the world.

00:06:38I'm practicing every day.

00:06:40In four or five months, I will be able to understood by American people.

00:06:45Unlike with the English language, Cervez has no problems expressing himself in front of the camera, whether in or out of the ring.

00:06:51In a recent modeling session with famous fashion photographer Francesca Sabullo, Cervez looked well at ease as Sabullo snapped away.

00:06:59And then in another session, arranged by Don King with intentions of attracting a major corporate sponsor, Cervez was indeed a natural.

00:07:08Don King has taken boxing's future star under his wing, and he's banking on Travis's good look and charismatic personality, with visions of one day turning Julio into another Sugar Ray lemon.

00:07:22Julio Cesar Chavez is a world entity.

00:07:27He's no longer just belonging to Mexico.

00:07:29He hails from Mexico.

00:07:30You know, you get him to speak in English first, that is the first and primary thing I mean, he needs to do.

00:07:34In the meantime, we've all got to fulfill every suit that can help him to become that star.

00:07:41We want Madison Avenue to be there to see him.

00:07:43But what will advertising agencies and executives on Madison Avenue say when they do see Chavez?

00:07:49Will they be as willing as Don King to make Chavez their front page priority?

00:07:53Some more disparate stars, because a foreign athlete would have limited appeal, but guys like Camacho had been using for nurses before, Carlos Monzón.

00:08:04They never were what I would call speaking of exchange English, but they spoke it well enough to be charming and to be charismatic.

00:08:14And I think that's something that someone like today could have to work on, before a client is going to put millions and millions of dollars behind that particular individual.

00:08:26Despite all the commotion and King's efforts to hype the young champion, Chavez remains strictly focused on his priorities.

00:08:35So many people have planned for me to do commercials, movies, and televisions.

00:08:40That's why I am here in this country. There is so much financial opportunity, not only for me, but for my family as well.

00:08:48Right now, I just want to be a great fighter.

00:08:51Just how popular Chavez becomes is still to be seen, though it is safe to say that unlike a few fighters who receive celebrity status almost overnight,

00:09:00Chavez has been forced to take the long road to recognition, similar to that of marvelous Marvin Hagler.

00:09:05But Julio seems to be on the right path, committing himself to a country where dreams can come true.

00:09:11Only time and the quality of his opponents will reflect how brightly his star will shine.

00:09:19There are a handful of unbeaten world titleists in the sport.

00:09:23Chavez's win streak is the longest among them.

00:09:26Coming up, a 12-round lightweight unification title bout between Julio Cesar Chavez and José Luis Ramirez of Mexico.

00:09:34And right now, let's rejoin our colleague, Larry Merchant.

00:09:38We're here to see two friends, two champions, two warriors do battle.

00:09:44We're also here to see if one of them, Chavez, has the right stuff and the left hook to graduate into a higher league.

00:09:52That would be the league of the little giant, the most famous of whom was buried today in Los Angeles, Henry Armstrong.

00:10:02Just 50 years ago, Henry Armstrong was in the midst of one of the most extraordinary accomplishments in all of sports history.

00:10:09He won three undisputed championships, featherweight, then welterweight, then lightweight, in 10 months.

00:10:17A decade earlier, Tony Canzaniere won four titles.

00:10:21In the modern era, only Roberto Duran and Alexis Arguello have been in that elite class of little giants.

00:10:28If Chavez wins tonight, if, then he will move onward and upward into the welterweight division and perhaps into that higher league.

00:10:38But Jose Luis Ramirez isn't here to cheer him on.

00:10:50Daybreak.

00:10:51Forty kilometers outside Mexico City lie the foothills to the enchanted forest de Tierra de Leones, the desert of the lions.

00:10:59Inhabitants of the quaint villages which surround the desert toil at life, cherishing each day.

00:11:11Even if it's creating the necessary craftwork for tourist dollars, enabling them to lead only the simplest of existence.

00:11:18Perhaps the most significant figure to come out of these hills is here temporarily.

00:11:22WBC lightweight champion Jose Luis Ramirez is training, somewhat reluctantly, for most likely his final attempt to resurrect the once promising career.

00:11:33I must say that I was pressured into this fight.

00:11:36I have to fight the number one fighter from my stable.

00:11:39Since Julio is the number one contender of my championship, if I didn't fight, I become unknown.

00:11:44So I have to grab the opportunity.

00:11:46Ramirez's fall from grace began in 1985, after he lost his title to the sequined Puerto Rican peacock, Hector Macho Camacho.

00:11:56This performance disenchanted promoter Don King, who had a younger, more saleable Latin attraction, Julio Cesar Chavez, waiting in the wing.

00:12:04After I lost to Macho Camacho, Don King forgot all about me, and didn't get me any fights for a year.

00:12:14My manager, Ramon, got upset, and that's why we asked to be freed from my contract.

00:12:18Then, I signed with the Ackeris brothers to promote me in Paris, France.

00:12:24Unfortunately, the lure of a new career in Paris was accompanied by the customary French leer at foreigners.

00:12:29For Ramirez, a Mexican Indian no less, it was difficult to adjust to life in a sophisticated city.

00:12:37In the ensuing two years in France, ten fights came and went, with the veteran Ramirez exhibiting only glimpses of his once brilliant skills.

00:12:45Then he reverted to his trademark methodical style in a hotly disputed victory over Purnell Whitaker.

00:12:51Most experts believe the Mexican had lost.

00:12:54Finally returning to his beloved homeland for good, Ramirez is still popular,

00:13:00but the dignity of once being world champion will never diminish.

00:13:07For a country still rebounding from the devastating effects of the earthquake barely two years ago,

00:13:12tonight's fight will bring positive publicity.

00:13:16Now Mexicans are faced with the prospects of choosing between two native sons.

00:13:20The old line, Jose Luis Ramirez,

00:13:25or his dear friend and former training partner, Julio Cesar Chavez.

00:13:30Mexicans believe they will be proud, no matter the outcome.

00:13:34For Ramirez, this could be his last tango.

00:13:39For me, it's not just another fight.

00:13:42I respect him as a person and as a boxer.

00:13:45Now that he's a great champion, he's defended his title well.

00:13:48He is a great man, but up in the ring, it's going to be war.

00:13:54He's trying to win, and I will certainly fight the hardest ever.

00:13:59After, outside the ring, it's going to be the same as always.

00:14:03A friendship that will through the years forever last.

00:14:06There was a time years ago in Culiacan, Mexico, when that man on your screen was the pupil,

00:14:15and Jose Luis Ramirez was quite frequently in the sparring ring, the teacher.

00:14:20But tonight, Larry Merchant, this man, Chavez, once the pupil, enters the ring as a heavy favorite against his old stablemate.

00:14:28That's right, he's 26, Ramirez is nearly 30, Chavez is the up-and-coming star.

00:14:39But Ramirez, I don't think, was ever a star.

00:14:42He was the Pete Rose of boxing in Mexico.

00:14:45He just stuck with it.

00:14:46He didn't get a title shot until his 87th professional fight.

00:14:52There are a handful, as I mentioned, of undefeated world title holders in the sport of boxing.

00:14:59And among them, Julio Cesar Chavez has the longest existing winning streak.

00:15:0459-0 by our listings, the listings of Ring Magazine, and of the world governing bodies.

00:15:11Some claim that he has had 60 fights.

00:15:13He and his camp claim he has had 61 fights.

00:15:17One thing is certain, he has never lost.

00:15:20And 12 of those victories came in championship bouts.

00:15:24He is not a one-punch knockout fighter, Kevin Rooney, but 50 knockouts in 59 fights attest to his effectiveness.

00:15:30There's a lot of combination of punches.

00:15:31He goes to the body, he goes to the head, he's got a good snap, and when he hurts a man, they'll take him out.

00:15:37He's not a one-punch knockout artist, but he could knock out one punch if he hits you right.

00:15:41Well, you see him now saying hello to some of the greats of the sport in the ring.

00:15:45As we get ready now to enter the minds of the fighters a little bit,

00:15:49as Kevin Rooney broaches boxing strategy in his tits of the night.

00:15:55One of the things we have to look for, our sport, Chavez, is very vulnerable to a straight left hand from a southpaw.

00:16:00He's fighting Ramirez, who is a southpaw.

00:16:03Here we see him against Aguilar, he got hit with a left hand.

00:16:07He stays very calm when he gets in, here's where he was at, he gets right on the butt.

00:16:13He took it like it was nothing.

00:16:15He works the body very well, and that takes the start out of a fighter.

00:16:18Here you see him working over with Rosario.

00:16:20He's very close to him, which makes it hard for him to be here, to be counted.

00:16:24He works upstairs and downstairs.

00:16:26He does that very well, that's one of the pluses for him.

00:16:32Now we're going to switch to Ramirez.

00:16:33He's very vulnerable to head punches.

00:16:37He stands straight up, and he's wide open for straight right hands,

00:16:41which you should throw when you're fighting a southpaw.

00:16:44We'll have to look for Chavez to do that, and that's something that Ramirez is going to have to try to get away from by bending.

00:16:50Now a plug for Ramirez,

00:16:52is when he gets hit, he comes back right away.

00:16:55When he has a man hurt, he doesn't let him walk the rope.

00:16:58Here we see him against Rosario, opening up with everything he had after he had hurt him.

00:17:03A good look at Chavez, and as Kevin Rooney pointed out there,

00:17:06he will be facing a southpaw in Ramirez tonight.

00:17:10His last title defense in April here in Las Vegas,

00:17:13against Rodolfo Aguilar, was his first fight ever against a southpaw.

00:17:17And now here comes the man whom Larry Merchant has referred to as the Pete Rose of Mexican boxing,

00:17:24one of the most durable fighters of this or any other era.

00:17:28There's an interesting story about him as an honest workman.

00:17:31When he recaptured the title from Terrence Ali on a close decision,

00:17:36he refused to accept the title in his own mind, he told people,

00:17:40until he sat down, watched the take of the fight,

00:17:44was satisfied that he won the fight,

00:17:46then he said, okay, I'm the champ again.

00:17:50Did he really?

00:17:50Yeah.

00:17:51That's something.

00:17:52I like that.

00:17:54That's an honest fighter.

00:17:55That's right.

00:17:56And you saw the graphic, Kevin,

00:17:57that said that five of his six losses have been to past, present, or future champions.

00:18:03There are the names of the men who defeated Jose Luis Ramirez.

00:18:07Of course, he avenged the loss to Rosario

00:18:09with a fourth-round knockout of Edmund Rosario

00:18:12a little bit later on down the road.

00:18:14Yeah, and he was knocked out by the great Oliveras

00:18:16when he was 18 or 19 years old.

00:18:18But he has been in the ring, actually,

00:18:21with more top-ranked fighters in the lightweight division

00:18:25than Chavez has, which is totally meaningless.

00:18:28Look at this.

00:18:28He's had 106 fights, Kevin.

00:18:30He's been fighting more than half his life,

00:18:32and his base is completely unmarked.

00:18:34That's right.

00:18:35Well, that shows that he takes a good shot,

00:18:37and he doesn't really get hit that often.

00:18:40He stands straight up, but he overpowers a lot of guys.

00:18:43The thing about this record is it's unlikely

00:18:46that we're going to ever again see a champion

00:18:49who's had over 100 fights.

00:18:50Once upon a time, it was not uncommon.

00:18:53We may never see it again.

00:18:54So many fighters have long amateur careers today.

00:18:57And because of the economics of the sport,

00:19:01we could talk all night about that.

00:19:02But first, let's look at the tail of the tape,

00:19:05which will show you that the two significant differences

00:19:08between the fighters, age, Ramirez,

00:19:10as Larry pointed out, pressing 30, Chavez just 26,

00:19:14and the reach difference, 66 and a half to 64.

00:19:17Not significant because Chavez likes to step up inside

00:19:20and fight his fight at close quarters anyway.

00:19:22That is correct.

00:19:23And the age, it doesn't matter neither.

00:19:25I believe in age.

00:19:26The age is a state of mind.

00:19:29What about the 107 fights as opposed to 59?

00:19:33That has nothing to do with it at this point.

00:19:35Just, you know, 59 fights, 100 fights, you know,

00:19:37at that point is...

00:19:37All right, let's take a look at Punch Start,

00:19:39a statistical profile of how many punches

00:19:42these fighters throw.

00:19:43And you can see that they're practically mirror images,

00:19:46but Chavez is the quicker-handed and more accurate puncher,

00:19:52and that's reflected also.

00:19:54You can see in the jabs, Ramirez tends to throw more jabs.

00:19:57They land about the same.

00:19:58They fight at such close quarters

00:20:00that they really don't throw that many jabs.

00:20:02Two titles on the line, the WBA and WBC championships,

00:20:06by and large, they'll be using WBC rules,

00:20:08the most significant one in white there.

00:20:10There is no three-knockdown rule.

00:20:12And now, for the free-fight introduction

00:20:15and a special moment in honor of one of the greatest fighters

00:20:18in the history of the sport,

00:20:19let's go up to ring announcer Chuck Hall.

00:20:22Good evening, ladies and gentlemen.

00:20:23Welcome to the Hilton Center of the Las Vegas Hilton Hotel,

00:20:28where tonight, John King Productions,

00:20:30in association with the Las Vegas Hilton,

00:20:33presents Ole, Ole, Ole,

00:20:35an evening of world championship boxing.

00:20:39These bouts are sanctioned by the Nevada State Athletic Commission,

00:20:42Elias Ghanem, Chairman, Chuck Maker, Executive Director.

00:20:46Commissioners at ringside are Dr. James Nade,

00:20:49Mr. Swain Ford, Freddie Little, and Herb Santos.

00:20:54And now, ladies and gentlemen, if I may,

00:20:55I would ask us to pause to reflect for just a moment

00:20:58on the passing of one of boxing's greatest

00:21:01just in the past couple of weeks,

00:21:03a man who freed himself from the ghettos of St. Louis, Missouri,

00:21:07and went on to win three world titles

00:21:11at the same time in different weight divisions.

00:21:15He held the lightweight, the featherweight,

00:21:17and the welterweight championships,

00:21:19all at the same time,

00:21:20the only man in history to accomplish that feat.

00:21:24After he retired from boxing,

00:21:26he became a member of the ministry

00:21:28and went to California to work with youth

00:21:30around the Long Beach, California area.

00:21:34He was not only an historical boxer,

00:21:36he was a great humanitarian.

00:21:39So what I would ask you now,

00:21:40all rise, please,

00:21:42as I ask our timekeeper, Al Bicek,

00:21:45to sound the ten count

00:21:46for one of boxing's greatest,

00:21:49Cameron Henry Armstrong.

00:21:51May God rest his soul.

00:22:17Now, ladies and gentlemen,

00:22:18the WBC representative at ringside,

00:22:20Mr. Dwayne Ford,

00:22:21of Las Vegas, Nevada.

00:22:23Representing the WBA

00:22:24is Mr. Julio Castillo

00:22:26and the representing

00:22:28the Nevada State Athletic Commission,

00:22:30Dr. Elias Garnum.

00:22:32The judges and officials assigned

00:22:33by the governing bodies

00:22:34for the next bout of the evening,

00:22:36the judges are Rudy Jordan

00:22:38of Los Angeles, California,

00:22:40Mr. Art Lurie of Las Vegas, Nevada,

00:22:42and Mr. Luke Cabot,

00:22:43also of Las Vegas, Nevada.

00:22:45The timekeeper is Al Bicek.

00:22:47Counting at the knockdowns is Mike Lachella.

00:22:50The attending physicians at ringside,

00:22:52Dr. Cliff Pomansky,

00:22:54Donald Romeo,

00:22:55and Albert Campana.

00:22:56And your referee is Richard Steele.

00:23:00The next bout of the evening,

00:23:04ladies and gentlemen,

00:23:04the main attraction of the night,

00:23:0712 rounds of boxing

00:23:09for the unification of the WBC,

00:23:12WBA,

00:23:13lightweight championship of the world.

00:23:16Introducing,

00:23:17in the blue corner,

00:23:19fighting out of Culiacan, Mexico,

00:23:22weighing in at 134 pounds,

00:23:24with a professional record

00:23:25of 101 wins,

00:23:2760 defeats,

00:23:29with 82 KOs,

00:23:31he is the WBC lightweight champion

00:23:33of the world,

00:23:34Jose Luis Ramirez.

00:23:41And in the red corner,

00:23:43also from Culiacan, Mexico,

00:23:46weighing in at 135 pounds,

00:23:48his professional record

00:23:50consists of 59 wins,

00:23:52no defeats,

00:23:53with 50 KOs,

00:23:55he is the undefeated

00:23:56WBA lightweight champion

00:23:59of the world,

00:24:00Julio Cesar Chavez.

00:24:03Okay, I spoke to both fighters

00:24:18in the dressing room.

00:24:19I wanted to caution you

00:24:20to remind them

00:24:22to obey my commands

00:24:23at all times.

00:24:24Okay?

00:24:25I understand that...

00:24:28Okay, when it's hit here,

00:24:30it's not high,

00:24:31or it's not low, okay?

00:24:32It's right here.

00:24:33It's not low.

00:24:34Okay?

00:24:35Obey my commands at all times.

00:24:36Take hands.

00:24:37Good luck.

00:24:38One thing to keep in mind,

00:24:41Ramirez has been knocked down

00:24:42a few times

00:24:43in fights over the last few years,

00:24:45always early in the fight.

00:24:47That's right.

00:24:49I'm curious to see

00:24:50if that happens

00:24:50if Chavez is going to finish him.

00:24:55Referee Richard Steele

00:24:56has handled Chavez's

00:24:58last two appearances

00:24:59here in Las Vegas

00:25:00against Edwin Rosario,

00:25:02and Rodolfo Aguilar.

00:25:03No American referee

00:25:04has seen Ramirez

00:25:05for more than three years,

00:25:07his last 10 bouts

00:25:08having taken place

00:25:09in France.

00:25:10And remember

00:25:11that this fight

00:25:12is as much about

00:25:13neighborhood honor

00:25:15as it is about

00:25:17world championships.

00:25:18That's right.

00:25:19That's right.

00:25:19These kids really feel that.

00:25:22Round one begins

00:25:24between two men

00:25:25who know each other

00:25:26as well as any

00:25:27two boxers

00:25:28in the ring today.

00:25:31Chavez is starting out

00:25:32going side to side

00:25:33and that's very important.

00:25:39Because Ramirez

00:25:40only knows one way

00:25:41to fight, right?

00:25:42Straight forward.

00:25:42If he goes to the side,

00:25:43I'm going to get a clean shot.

00:25:45Ramirez is a good puncher,

00:25:46though.

00:25:46We can't neglect that.

00:25:47He has an excellent,

00:25:49excellent chance

00:25:50if you heard

00:25:51Chavez to take him

00:25:53out of there.

00:26:02Chavez focusing

00:26:04his eyes on Ramirez's body,

00:26:06but he has not yet

00:26:06stepped in

00:26:07to mount a body attack.

00:26:09Hasn't done anything.

00:26:10Intent for the moment

00:26:11to make Ramirez miss

00:26:12as Jose Luis Ramirez

00:26:14is the aggressor

00:26:16in the early moments

00:26:17of the fight.

00:26:20Looks like Chavez

00:26:22is trying to feel him out.

00:26:24The first punch

00:26:25from Chavez

00:26:26was an uppercut

00:26:26followed by a right hand.

00:26:28Both landed.

00:26:31Ramirez takes a great shot,

00:26:33we all know that.

00:26:36Well, and of course

00:26:36so does Chavez.

00:26:37He took the left hand

00:26:39of Edwin Rosario

00:26:40regarded as one

00:26:40of the heaviest

00:26:41in the lightweight division.

00:26:42That's true.

00:26:43That's very true.

00:26:45Took it like it was nothing.

00:26:50Chavez continuing

00:26:53to focus his eyes

00:26:54on a spot

00:26:55below the point

00:26:56of Ramirez's chin.

00:27:00Ramirez

00:27:00awing with the jab.

00:27:06Solid right hand

00:27:07by Chavez.

00:27:08Oh, good left hand

00:27:09by Ramirez there.

00:27:13They begin

00:27:13to trade punches

00:27:14now in the second minute

00:27:15of round number one.

00:27:17Still now, time is over.

00:27:18A right to the body

00:27:22and a left to the chin

00:27:22by Chavez.

00:27:24And now he becomes

00:27:25for the moment

00:27:25the aggressor.

00:27:27Made him miss nice

00:27:27and he slipped away

00:27:28he just didn't punch.

00:27:29He's got to punch

00:27:30when he makes him miss.

00:27:32Two right hands.

00:27:33You'll see a lot

00:27:34of right hand leads

00:27:34from Chavez

00:27:35will we not, Kevin?

00:27:36That's right.

00:27:36That's what you got to do.

00:27:37That's always effective

00:27:38with stop boards.

00:27:40Always.

00:27:41That's the book

00:27:41I'm finding the stop boards.

00:27:43Leave with right hands.

00:27:45Chavez needs to be doing that.

00:27:48Good body.

00:27:49Another right hand lead

00:27:50from Chavez.

00:27:55Ramirez landed with the jab

00:27:56and missed wildly

00:27:57with the left.

00:28:02Left uppercut

00:28:03on the button

00:28:03by Chavez.

00:28:05He's thrown that twice

00:28:05and has landed twice

00:28:06so far.

00:28:08And you can see there

00:28:09his uncanny ability

00:28:11to make a fighter miss

00:28:12at close range.

00:28:13Ramirez just unable

00:28:14to find Chavez's head.

00:28:15That's very important.

00:28:17Very important.

00:28:20Right hand landed

00:28:21just at the end

00:28:22of the round.

00:28:23They felt each other

00:28:23out a little bit

00:28:24but Chavez landed

00:28:25the more effective load.

00:28:27What you saw there

00:28:28is that Ramirez

00:28:29is all both fighters.

00:28:30I need Ramirez

00:28:35to all both.

00:28:36That was a good round.

00:28:42Keep close to him

00:28:44and then on the side.

00:28:45Close to him

00:28:46and on the side.

00:28:47Good work.

00:28:48You're doing fine.

00:28:50Stay close to him

00:28:51and then to one side.

00:28:53He's doing a great job.

00:28:55That's good advice

00:28:55but it should also add

00:28:57it should also add

00:29:00when he gets to the side

00:29:01that he should punch.

00:29:02The punch count statistic

00:29:21that showed Ramirez

00:29:22landing only nine

00:29:23of 74 punches

00:29:24in the round

00:29:25are a reflection

00:29:26of Chavez's ability

00:29:27to slip in close

00:29:28and Chavez begins round

00:29:30two by landing

00:29:30a solid right

00:29:31to Ramirez's head.

00:29:34Now Ramirez

00:29:34begins to look

00:29:35to the body

00:29:36more than he did

00:29:36in round one

00:29:37and that's what

00:29:38he should do.

00:29:42Body punches

00:29:43up very effective.

00:29:52Chavez countering

00:29:53to the body

00:29:53and to the head

00:29:54with the double left hook.

00:29:57Except for the right

00:29:58hand lead

00:29:59Chavez is content

00:30:00to counter so far

00:30:01so far

00:30:01that's right

00:30:02it's a good right hook

00:30:03by Ramirez

00:30:04and there's a left

00:30:05by Ramirez

00:30:05which is his best

00:30:06punch of the bounce

00:30:07so far.

00:30:15Double right hand

00:30:16both fighters beginning

00:30:22beginning to step up

00:30:23the action now

00:30:24and certainly Ramirez

00:30:25is finding Chavez

00:30:26much more

00:30:27than was the case

00:30:28in round one.

00:30:30He landed a very good

00:30:31left and a very good

00:30:32right Chavez

00:30:32and he opened up

00:30:33he thought he heard

00:30:34and he opened up.

00:30:38Good work

00:30:39by both fighters here.

00:30:41Ramirez has set himself

00:30:42up to be more effective

00:30:43by going to the body

00:30:44to start

00:30:44to start.

00:30:49Boy they're full

00:30:49working the fight

00:30:50without fighting

00:30:51the fight

00:30:51just take it out

00:30:52of you.

00:30:52They take the adrenaline

00:30:53out.

00:30:53They take the wind

00:30:54out.

00:30:56They take your will

00:30:57to fight out.

00:30:59Solid right hand lead

00:31:00by Chavez

00:31:00and a right hand

00:31:02lands for Ramirez

00:31:03in close.

00:31:05Good action here.

00:31:08There's another good

00:31:09body shot by Ramirez

00:31:10to stay left.

00:31:11This is a much

00:31:12better round

00:31:13for Jose Luis Ramirez

00:31:14than was the case

00:31:15in round one.

00:31:16He's gotten Chavez's

00:31:17attention.

00:31:21I might add

00:31:22and vice versa.

00:31:23That's right.

00:31:24Oh well that's been

00:31:25the case from the beginning.

00:31:35Well Ramirez

00:31:35what Chavez

00:31:36leads with that right hand

00:31:37is close to fight her off

00:31:38and gets him off

00:31:39and dribble.

00:31:40He's been affected

00:31:41with it.

00:31:41He should do more of it.

00:31:42He'll come back

00:31:42with a left hook.

00:31:46He'll come back

00:31:46with a left hook.

00:31:47He hasn't missed

00:31:48with the right hand lead.

00:31:49No he hasn't.

00:31:51Chavez

00:31:51wouldn't miss

00:31:52with the left hook.

00:31:53Good left counter

00:31:54by Chavez

00:31:54but Ramirez continues

00:31:55now as the aggressive

00:31:56stepping up the pace

00:31:58inside.

00:31:58Time to take it

00:31:59on the fire.

00:31:59It's a good move

00:32:00by Ramirez.

00:32:01That was slow

00:32:02while Chavez

00:32:03down.

00:32:07A little bit

00:32:07of a move

00:32:08to go to the side

00:32:08for this punch.

00:32:10solid right hand

00:32:13counter by Chavez.

00:32:18Both fighters

00:32:18landing

00:32:19as the round

00:32:20comes to an end.

00:32:23That was

00:32:23major league stuff

00:32:24you saw there.

00:32:26Two experienced

00:32:28terrific fighters

00:32:29probing each other

00:32:31for weaknesses.

00:32:32That's right.

00:32:32Hone at it.

00:32:33always be ready

00:32:38to counter punch.

00:32:41Always try to

00:32:42hit him first.

00:32:44Always connect him.

00:32:46Try to connect him

00:32:46always.

00:32:49What rhythm?

00:32:50You have to put

00:32:51some more rhythm to it.

00:32:52And always hit him first.

00:32:53Don't give him a chance

00:32:55to do anything.

00:32:57Keep punching.

00:33:00Always close to him.

00:33:10The secret is that

00:33:11you have to fight

00:33:12downstairs.

00:33:13I was a little surprised

00:33:19Kevin.

00:33:21That Chavez

00:33:21has decided

00:33:23to be more

00:33:24of the boxers

00:33:25and stand outside.

00:33:26A little bit.

00:33:26He should be inside.

00:33:29Ramirez's corner

00:33:30gave him good advice

00:33:30to stay on the body.

00:33:31Stay close.

00:33:32Be accessible.

00:33:33Work that body.

00:33:35That's right.

00:33:35And you saw

00:33:37the accuracy

00:33:38reflected

00:33:39in Chavez's

00:33:41statistics for round

00:33:42two as our punch

00:33:43set computer

00:33:44operators having

00:33:45landing 26

00:33:46out of 45 blows.

00:33:48But it is Ramirez

00:33:49who moves forward

00:33:49more of the time.

00:33:51Well, you know,

00:33:52I didn't think

00:33:5226 blows land.

00:33:54If there's 26

00:33:55blows land,

00:33:56I think Ramirez

00:33:57would be out of there.

00:34:05Kevin, are you

00:34:06trying to tell us

00:34:07you're not a man

00:34:08of the computer age?

00:34:09Exactly.

00:34:10It's not when it

00:34:10comes to scoring

00:34:11punches.

00:34:12Somehow, I suspect

00:34:13that that was the case.

00:34:15Kevin Rooney with us

00:34:16working for the first

00:34:18time as an expert

00:34:19analyst on HBO.

00:34:21Well, Ramirez

00:34:21is being very aggressive

00:34:22and being effective.

00:34:27Right hand and a left

00:34:28landed by Ramirez.

00:34:29And for the moment,

00:34:30he has Chavez

00:34:31off balance.

00:34:32Yes, he does.

00:34:33He's scoring

00:34:33effectively.

00:34:35Chavez now landing

00:34:44again with the

00:34:45right hand lead.

00:34:47It's another good

00:34:48round so far.

00:34:59Again, that right

00:35:00hand lead lands.

00:35:03Kevin, what should

00:35:04Ramirez be doing

00:35:05to avoid that

00:35:05right hand lead?

00:35:06He's bent.

00:35:07He's bent down.

00:35:08He's bent his knees.

00:35:11As you pointed out

00:35:12before the fight,

00:35:14his head is there

00:35:15to be hit.

00:35:15Right hand.

00:35:17And strangely enough,

00:35:18he's landing

00:35:18a straight left

00:35:19on Chavez.

00:35:23Chavez is beginning

00:35:24to pick up the pace

00:35:25with counter left

00:35:25and the right hand lead.

00:35:27And the right hand lead.

00:35:28Brown started out

00:35:29as a Jose Luis Ramirez

00:35:31round.

00:35:33The defense has

00:35:34evened it up a little bit,

00:35:35but it's still wide open,

00:35:36I think.

00:35:38We've got less than a minute

00:35:39now, so we'll see

00:35:40if we can finish this

00:35:41longer.

00:35:42It was a good body shot.

00:35:46Left and the right

00:35:47combination.

00:35:48Both landed

00:35:49to the head of Ramirez.

00:35:50Both boys take a punch

00:35:52well.

00:35:53They're proving that.

00:35:53The score got hit clean

00:35:55and come right back.

00:36:00Well, Julio Cesar Chavez

00:36:01told us that he had

00:36:03something in his back

00:36:04pocket for the years

00:36:05of memory of being

00:36:06in the ring with Ramirez

00:36:07that he might use.

00:36:08Would you guess

00:36:09that it might be

00:36:10a decision to box

00:36:11a little more?

00:36:12It looked that way,

00:36:13going side to side,

00:36:14I guess.

00:36:15Because he really

00:36:16hasn't shown much

00:36:16as far as, you know,

00:36:18I thought maybe

00:36:19we could left uppercut.

00:36:20But he stopped using it.

00:36:25Carol Letterman,

00:36:26our unofficial official.

00:36:29How do you score

00:36:29it so far?

00:36:30Larry, very, very close.

00:36:31I got a 2-1

00:36:32Jose Luis Ramirez

00:36:33because of the fact

00:36:34that I think he's

00:36:34a little bit more

00:36:35aggressive during

00:36:36the last two rounds.

00:36:37And he's getting

00:36:37in a nice straight left.

00:36:38And I think Jose

00:36:40Julio Cesar Chavez

00:36:41is having a little bit

00:36:42of problems

00:36:43with the left-handed style.

00:36:44Let's take a look at Ramirez

00:36:55as he comes in

00:36:56with a right uppercut

00:36:57and a straight left hand.

00:36:59Now let's take a look

00:37:01at Chavez's heat work.

00:37:04A right that landed

00:37:05on the jaw.

00:37:08You know,

00:37:09when you watch

00:37:09an intra-squad game

00:37:11on a basketball team,

00:37:13players know each other

00:37:14so well that they have

00:37:15trouble scoring

00:37:16and it becomes

00:37:17a defensive exercise.

00:37:18Here are two fighters

00:37:19who know each other

00:37:20completely well

00:37:21and yet both have been

00:37:22able to land effectively.

00:37:23That's right.

00:37:24Good point to bring out

00:37:25this, Jim.

00:37:26Kind of interesting.

00:37:28It proves that

00:37:28if you're willing

00:37:29to throw punches

00:37:30and take chances,

00:37:32you're willing

00:37:32to accept punches.

00:37:34And that's what

00:37:35both of these fighters do.

00:37:36Definitely.

00:37:37Definitely.

00:37:37That they do.

00:37:39Fourth round begins.

00:37:40Already tonight

00:37:41in this arena,

00:37:42one unbeaten

00:37:43world champion

00:37:44has been upset

00:37:45and had his title

00:37:46lifted from him.

00:37:47That, Miguel,

00:37:47happy more of Columbia

00:37:48beaten by Raul Teres,

00:37:5021 years old

00:37:51from Mexico.

00:37:52Chavez is 59-0

00:37:54coming in

00:37:54and for the moment

00:37:55you saw that

00:37:56Harold Letterman

00:37:57and Kevin Rooney

00:37:58both had Ramirez

00:38:00ahead in the early going.

00:38:01But it's close.

00:38:02I should add here

00:38:03that I had Chavez

00:38:04ahead two rounds to one.

00:38:14No change

00:38:15in the pattern

00:38:15of the bout.

00:38:16Ramirez continues

00:38:16the aggressor

00:38:17and continues

00:38:18to land

00:38:19and Chavez

00:38:19continues

00:38:20to counter well.

00:38:21Well, I thought

00:38:22Chavez opened

00:38:23this round well

00:38:24but now Ramirez

00:38:24is starting

00:38:25to come on

00:38:25a little bit.

00:38:28He's going back

00:38:29and forth here.

00:38:30It's a good fight.

00:38:33I'm waiting

00:38:33for the explosion.

00:38:34These are the man

00:38:34that really opens up there.

00:38:38These are the ones

00:38:39gone for the knockout.

00:38:40and I think

00:38:42somewhere along the line

00:38:42that's going to happen.

00:38:44There you go.

00:38:45Oh, he heard him.

00:38:46Ramirez is staggered

00:38:47but doesn't go down.

00:38:49Chavez steps in.

00:38:54Chavez is known

00:38:55for his patience

00:38:55in this situation.

00:38:59Chavez is unable

00:39:02to fire back

00:39:02for the moment

00:39:03and Ramirez

00:39:04is known

00:39:05for firing back

00:39:06in this situation.

00:39:07Chavez ain't doing

00:39:08enough in my opinion.

00:39:11Maybe two patients.

00:39:13He had him hurt.

00:39:13He didn't open up.

00:39:14He didn't open up.

00:39:15He sat back

00:39:16and let the referee

00:39:17break him.

00:39:18I don't understand that.

00:39:20That's where

00:39:20the sparring comes in.

00:39:21They think he's

00:39:21in the gym maybe.

00:39:24That looks good.

00:39:25I'm a little disappointed.

00:39:27No question

00:39:33that Chavez

00:39:34hesitated for a moment

00:39:35when he had the man

00:39:36in trouble.

00:39:36Definitely.

00:39:37He looked at a referee.

00:39:40And Ramirez comes back.

00:39:41Return left

00:39:42by Ramirez

00:39:43for the beauty.

00:39:44But a right hand

00:39:45from Chavez.

00:39:47This is to borrow

00:39:48Larry Merchant's

00:39:49praise,

00:39:50major league punishment

00:39:51on both sides.

00:39:5230 seconds left.

00:39:53Gone to 30.

00:39:55Not exchanged.

00:39:57Good body there.

00:39:59What should Chavez

00:40:00be trying to do?

00:40:02He should have

00:40:02just opened up

00:40:03with everything

00:40:03and went to the body

00:40:04and the head.

00:40:04Head body.

00:40:05Body head.

00:40:06Step to the side.

00:40:07I'm telling you

00:40:08he had him hurt.

00:40:08He backed off.

00:40:14Maybe he bent the over.

00:40:17Maybe he was fearful

00:40:18of Ramirez's

00:40:19known ability

00:40:19to come back

00:40:20in a situation

00:40:21where he is in there.

00:40:22Well, that could be

00:40:23an excuse

00:40:24but he should have

00:40:24opened up.

00:40:26Or possibly

00:40:26it was just

00:40:27his respect.

00:40:29Too much.

00:40:35You have to throw

00:40:36more punches.

00:40:38You have to throw

00:40:39more punches.

00:40:41Are you okay?

00:40:44Did he surprise you

00:40:45with that hook?

00:40:47Use your job.

00:40:49Use your job.

00:40:50Don't let him

00:40:50surprise you again.

00:40:53Keep on punching him.

00:40:55Let's take another look

00:40:56at just how

00:40:57that near knockdown

00:40:58occurred.

00:40:59A good left

00:41:00to the stomach.

00:41:01Chavez counters

00:41:03right over that

00:41:04left to the belly

00:41:05with a right

00:41:06to the jaw.

00:41:08But he refused

00:41:09to go down

00:41:10and comes back

00:41:12later in the round

00:41:12with a straight

00:41:13left hand.

00:41:14What a remarkable

00:41:16fighter

00:41:16Ramirez is.

00:41:18And we are joined

00:41:18now by the

00:41:19unbeaten heavyweight

00:41:20champion of the

00:41:21world, Mike Sison.

00:41:22Mike, your reflections

00:41:23on the first four

00:41:24rounds of this

00:41:25terrific fight.

00:41:26Well, this is a

00:41:27fight that is very

00:41:27difficult to judge

00:41:29because in fighting

00:41:30a fighter like

00:41:31Ramirez, you must

00:41:32move.

00:41:32There's no way

00:41:33you're going to

00:41:33beat Ramirez

00:41:34head on.

00:41:35He's a professional

00:41:36fighter.

00:41:36He takes these

00:41:37punches,

00:41:38unbelievable.

00:41:38He doesn't even

00:41:38blink.

00:41:39And I'm very

00:41:40surprised that

00:41:41Chavez, as soon as

00:41:42he heard him,

00:41:42he should have

00:41:42opened up with

00:41:43everything.

00:41:43He went to the

00:41:44side, the body,

00:41:44the head,

00:41:45coffee, gets

00:41:45through everything

00:41:46he had at him.

00:41:46As what the

00:41:47trainer said, Mike,

00:41:48he was sitting

00:41:49there complaining

00:41:49that Chavez

00:41:50didn't open up

00:41:50more.

00:41:51I think he has

00:41:51a little bit

00:41:52too much respect

00:41:52for this legendary

00:41:53fighter.

00:41:54And we all know

00:41:54he's a great

00:41:55fighter.

00:41:55He's been around.

00:41:57You've got a

00:41:57new career, Mike.

00:41:58Well, we'll

00:41:59see.

00:42:00Mike Tyson is

00:42:01the promoter of

00:42:02this evening's

00:42:03action along with

00:42:04Don King.

00:42:05Congratulations.

00:42:09We're in the

00:42:11fifth round of

00:42:12this WBA and

00:42:13WBC World

00:42:14Championship

00:42:15lightweight bout

00:42:16between Jose

00:42:16Luis Ramirez

00:42:17and the red

00:42:18truck, Julio

00:42:19Cesar Chavez

00:42:19in the white.

00:42:20We're expecting

00:42:21that later on

00:42:22in the evening,

00:42:23Larry Merchant

00:42:23will be able to

00:42:24talk at a little

00:42:24more length

00:42:25with the heavyweight

00:42:26champ, Mike

00:42:27Tyson.

00:42:29Give him up,

00:42:29give him up.

00:42:30Blow, blow.

00:42:33Ramirez comes

00:42:33right back here.

00:42:34Don't hold him.

00:42:35Come on,

00:42:35break.

00:42:36Break.

00:42:36Don't hold him.

00:42:39You think

00:42:43Ramirez is now

00:42:44fully recovered,

00:42:45Mike?

00:42:45Absolutely.

00:42:46He's a special

00:42:47professional fighter

00:42:48in the main

00:42:48it's vain

00:42:49almost.

00:42:50Look at him,

00:42:51he never blinked.

00:42:52Continue to come

00:42:52on.

00:42:53Julio allows

00:42:54Jose Luis Ramirez

00:42:55to back him

00:42:56up.

00:42:57Does that hurt

00:42:57him in the eyes

00:42:57of the judges,

00:42:58you believe?

00:42:59I believe

00:42:59absolutely.

00:43:00I believe

00:43:00that he's

00:43:01thinking about

00:43:01back when they

00:43:02started sparring

00:43:03with one another

00:43:04because I heard

00:43:04they used to

00:43:05have a great deal

00:43:05of sparring

00:43:06with one another

00:43:06and Ramirez

00:43:09is a total

00:43:09professional

00:43:10like I said

00:43:10before.

00:43:11He's going to

00:43:11constantly become

00:43:12like he's

00:43:12so unmethodic.

00:43:14He continues

00:43:14to come

00:43:15and plot

00:43:16never taking

00:43:16a backwood

00:43:17stage.

00:43:18And in

00:43:18due time

00:43:19he'll break

00:43:19Chavez.

00:43:20I know a lot

00:43:20of people don't

00:43:21think he'll

00:43:21break him.

00:43:23Well,

00:43:23Mike,

00:43:23I disagree with

00:43:24that.

00:43:24I agree with

00:43:25everything you

00:43:25said so far

00:43:26but I don't

00:43:26think he'll

00:43:26break Chavez.

00:43:27I agree that

00:43:28he maybe

00:43:28has too much

00:43:29respect there

00:43:30and that

00:43:31goes back

00:43:31to this

00:43:31part of it.

00:43:32I definitely

00:43:32agree with

00:43:33that but I

00:43:34don't think

00:43:34he'll break

00:43:34well a lot

00:43:36of strange

00:43:36things happen

00:43:37in the box

00:43:37that's true

00:43:38as we both

00:43:39know

00:43:40in and out

00:43:42of the box

00:43:4234 seconds

00:43:46to go

00:43:46in the round

00:43:47you've seen

00:43:47both men

00:43:48land at

00:43:48close quarters

00:43:49Chavez

00:43:49continues to

00:43:50land the

00:43:50right hand

00:43:51lead almost

00:43:52whenever he

00:43:52throws

00:43:53he's not

00:43:54doing enough

00:43:55like Mike

00:43:55Tyson said

00:43:56he's not

00:43:56doing enough

00:43:57too much

00:43:58respect

00:43:58if I was

00:44:00in this

00:44:00morning

00:44:00if that was

00:44:01Michael

00:44:01was talking

00:44:01like get

00:44:02out

00:44:02and get

00:44:02right

00:44:02on this

00:44:03round

00:44:03you had

00:44:03him almost

00:44:03out

00:44:04what were

00:44:04you doing

00:44:05Mike

00:44:08wouldn't

00:44:08feel that

00:44:09respect

00:44:09for any

00:44:09opponent

00:44:10would he

00:44:10he hasn't

00:44:11so far

00:44:11round five

00:44:18comes to

00:44:18a close

00:44:19and a very

00:44:20close

00:44:20bout

00:44:21between

00:44:21two great

00:44:22champions

00:44:22just one

00:44:24more thing

00:44:24for the

00:44:25moment

00:44:25Mike

00:44:25did you

00:44:26see the

00:44:26Damiani

00:44:27big spike

00:44:27not at all

00:44:28what happened

00:44:28Damiani

00:44:29lost

00:44:29Damiani

00:44:30stopped

00:44:31them

00:44:31at the end

00:44:31of five

00:44:32rounds

00:44:32on a cut

00:44:33and look

00:44:33very impressive

00:44:34dominated

00:44:35he said

00:44:35he wants to

00:44:36fight you

00:44:37well you

00:44:37know we're

00:44:39around

00:44:39we're not

00:44:40going

00:44:40thank you

00:44:41very much

00:44:41thanks so

00:44:43much Mike

00:44:44we'll be talking

00:44:44to you later

00:44:45Mike Tyson

00:44:46the heavyweight

00:44:47champ

00:44:47goes on his

00:44:48way

00:44:48Larry Merchant

00:44:49we're in the

00:44:52corner here

00:44:52okay

00:44:53use both

00:44:54combination

00:44:56of punches

00:44:59how many times

00:45:02he tries to

00:45:03punch

00:45:04hit him back

00:45:06it appears

00:45:10that Chavez

00:45:11is willing

00:45:13to put on

00:45:14a clinic

00:45:15of boxing

00:45:16here

00:45:17whereas

00:45:18against

00:45:18some fighters

00:45:19he feels

00:45:20he can

00:45:20overwhelm

00:45:21them

00:45:21with aggression

00:45:22and staying

00:45:22on top

00:45:23of them

00:45:23that

00:45:25his quick

00:45:26hands

00:45:27here

00:45:27are more

00:45:29of an advantage

00:45:29than just

00:45:30staying

00:45:30shoulder to

00:45:31shoulder

00:45:31with a guy

00:45:32like Ramirez

00:45:33that's a good point

00:45:35round six

00:45:37begins

00:45:38Kevin

00:45:38your assessment

00:45:39to this point

00:45:39in the bout

00:45:40I have to

00:45:40bout very close

00:45:41I gotta

00:45:42stay in

00:45:42I'm sorry

00:45:48Ramirez

00:45:48has me too

00:45:49and as the round

00:45:50begins

00:45:51Chavez continues

00:45:52to dance

00:45:52go side to side

00:45:53try to present

00:45:54angles to Ramirez

00:45:55who is

00:45:56as Larry Merchant

00:45:57said earlier

00:45:58the bull

00:45:58likes to come

00:45:59straight forward

00:46:00Ramirez

00:46:00bolder and bolder

00:46:02it seems

00:46:02after having

00:46:03been staggered

00:46:05in the fourth round

00:46:06Chavez

00:46:07with the straight

00:46:08right hand again

00:46:09Ramirez has not

00:46:16been able to

00:46:16solve the right

00:46:17hand lead

00:46:17by Julio Cesar

00:46:18Chavez

00:46:18but Chavez

00:46:19doesn't follow up

00:46:20with the left

00:46:20hook of the body

00:46:21and Ramirez

00:46:22stays right in his

00:46:23face

00:46:24he goes side to side

00:46:29but he doesn't

00:46:29punch

00:46:30that's a big

00:46:30mistake

00:46:30on Chavez

00:46:32this part

00:46:32he should be

00:46:33banging

00:46:33and if it goes

00:46:35the distance

00:46:35it will be

00:46:36a very tough

00:46:36fight to score

00:46:37another low blow

00:46:38get away with it

00:46:39Richard Steele

00:46:45normally a very

00:46:46active referee

00:46:47stayed away

00:46:48from the two

00:46:49low blows

00:46:49well he may not

00:46:53have been on the

00:46:53angle of the field

00:46:54we can see him

00:46:55he's going to be

00:46:56he's going to be

00:46:57he's going to be

00:46:58he's going to be

00:46:59he's going to be

00:47:00he's going to be

00:47:01he's going to be

00:47:01punching it out

00:47:02Chavez just

00:47:03awing with the jab

00:47:04at no time of the

00:47:05fight has he really

00:47:05tried to use it

00:47:06as a weapon

00:47:06and he should

00:47:07snap it right in there

00:47:10good series to the

00:47:19head by Chavez

00:47:20again set up

00:47:21by the right-hand lead

00:47:22Ramirez keeps

00:47:26coming forward

00:47:27they're almost

00:47:42to the midway

00:47:42point of the bout

00:47:43there has been

00:47:44one great moment

00:47:45of drama

00:47:45when Ramirez

00:47:46was staggered

00:47:47in the fourth round

00:47:48and Julio Cesar Chavez

00:47:50let him off the hook

00:47:51that's right

00:47:52he let him off the hook

00:47:52the question I think

00:47:55is whether he did it

00:47:56deliberately

00:47:57I think he did

00:47:59the way I looked at

00:48:00we heard him there

00:48:03the right-hand lead

00:48:04continues to hurt Ramirez

00:48:05again Ramirez staggered

00:48:07this guy's hurt

00:48:10but he's not opening up

00:48:11enough

00:48:11got him hurt again

00:48:14round is going to come

00:48:16to an end

00:48:17before Chavez

00:48:18can do anything

00:48:18with it

00:48:19I've been telling you

00:48:37that you can do it

00:48:39get serious

00:48:40you're a phenomenal guy

00:48:41do it in this round

00:48:43if you want to do it

00:48:44I told you

00:48:45you're doing it fine

00:48:46a little bit more

00:48:47and this is finished

00:48:48come on

00:48:49you are showing

00:48:51that you are very good

00:48:52a little bit more

00:48:53Harold how do you score

00:48:57it so far

00:48:58Larry four rounds

00:48:59this is Pedro

00:48:59Julio Cesar Chavez

00:49:01I think the reason

00:49:02he backed off

00:49:02for the fourth round

00:49:03was he was waiting

00:49:03for the referee to count

00:49:05because he figured

00:49:05that it was a knockdown

00:49:06and Ramirez was very close

00:49:08to being down

00:49:09if his glove would have touched

00:49:10Chavez has just landed

00:49:11too many hard right hands

00:49:12and he's dominating

00:49:13with that hard lead right hand

00:49:15that's a good point

00:49:17but he should have been

00:49:17a nice guy

00:49:18should have opened up

00:49:19for what it's worth

00:49:21I have Chavez

00:49:22ahead

00:49:22five rounds

00:49:24two one

00:49:25I got a three three

00:49:27another lead right

00:49:31Ramirez

00:49:32for the solid right

00:49:33to the jaw

00:49:34Julio Cesar Chavez

00:49:35but Chavez

00:49:36takes the punch

00:49:37very well

00:49:38and he showed

00:49:39against Rosario

00:49:40and

00:49:41Torres Ramirez

00:49:42because he took a lot

00:49:43of punches

00:49:44at the end of that round

00:49:44he can't really

00:49:45comes out fresh

00:49:45like it's the first round

00:49:46that's why he's a true

00:49:48professional

00:49:49like Mike Chavez

00:49:49was saying before

00:49:50he has over 100 fights

00:49:51he's a true professional

00:49:52this guy

00:49:53he's been fighting

00:49:54more than half his life

00:49:55he's 29

00:49:56almost 30

00:49:56and turned pro

00:49:57and he's 14

00:49:58another straight right

00:49:59hand to the jaw

00:50:00that's right

00:50:00he had 11 professional fights

00:50:02by the time

00:50:03of his 15th birthday

00:50:04as a flyweight

00:50:05right about his age

00:50:06no amateur fights

00:50:08good body there

00:50:16another low blow

00:50:17that Chavez

00:50:18got away with

00:50:18it was to the hip

00:50:20I couldn't see

00:50:21from my angle

00:50:22Chavez will be working

00:50:28on a body more

00:50:29and for the first time

00:50:31all night

00:50:31Ramirez looks

00:50:32a little bit worn

00:50:33he looks down

00:50:34at his shoe tops

00:50:35as he stepped back

00:50:35toward the rope

00:50:36it could be

00:50:39that the constant

00:50:40pounding with the right

00:50:41hand is starting

00:50:42to take its toll

00:50:43a left and a right

00:50:44inflow

00:50:45you gotta do more of that

00:50:47you gotta work the body more

00:50:48I think if you work the body more

00:50:49you bring him down

00:50:49that was a good right hand

00:50:51to the body

00:50:51he's opening up

00:50:53and now Ramirez

00:50:54is in trouble again

00:50:55Chavez looks resolute

00:50:58this is brutal punishment

00:51:06Ramirez can't stop the right

00:51:07hand

00:51:08he got him hurt

00:51:11you don't put up

00:51:11everything he has here

00:51:12but he's not

00:51:14in my opinion

00:51:16step to the side and hit him

00:51:17get to the side

00:51:20you talk about respect

00:51:24Chavez is showing

00:51:25perhaps inordinate respect

00:51:27for his friend

00:51:28and former stable mate

00:51:29Jose Luis Ramirez

00:51:30plus well

00:51:31plus Ramirez is on

00:51:32and he's taking his shot

00:51:33well

00:51:33he won't go down

00:51:36he's not fighting back

00:51:38as much right now

00:51:39starting to swell

00:51:40around the left eye

00:51:41if I was Chavez

00:51:42I'd just open up

00:51:42with everything

00:51:43Chavez lands again

00:51:45to the left eye

00:51:46so he can't miss

00:51:47with that right hand

00:51:48if he's holding back

00:51:50I'd hate to see

00:51:50what he does

00:51:51with his enemies

00:51:52okay

00:51:54okay

00:51:55these punches

00:51:57are all landing

00:51:58by Chavez

00:51:59I don't see

00:52:00the killer instinct

00:52:00I don't know

00:52:03maybe it's the other

00:52:04way around Kevin

00:52:05how does Ramirez

00:52:06stand up

00:52:07well he's a

00:52:09two professional

00:52:09fight like we

00:52:10like we talked about

00:52:11Mike had to talk about

00:52:12that's a fact

00:52:14this guy's a truck

00:52:15left hand lands

00:52:17this round has been

00:52:19all Chavez

00:52:19and Oroa goes up

00:52:24for the crowd

00:52:25for all the overbends

00:52:26and Oroa on to

00:52:27a seven round

00:52:28I made that a two

00:52:30point round

00:52:31for Chavez

00:52:32he's very good

00:52:37but he's tired

00:52:38be sure that he's

00:52:41getting tired

00:52:42even though he's

00:52:42so good

00:52:43he's tired

00:52:44he's getting tired

00:52:45and you could do it

00:52:46he's very smart

00:52:48don't let him

00:52:50outsmart you

00:52:51you have to hit him

00:52:54you have to hit him

00:52:55Luis you have to hit him

00:52:57hit him hard

00:52:57you're fighting very well

00:53:10little more pressure

00:53:11little more pressure

00:53:12let's go

00:53:13let's do it now

00:53:14Kevin

00:53:14why are the handlers

00:53:16telling Ramirez

00:53:18who certainly knows

00:53:19better

00:53:19that Chavez

00:53:20is tired

00:53:21I guess he's just

00:53:22trying to soup him up

00:53:23give him confidence

00:53:24he's going to show you

00:53:27sometimes these guys

00:53:28don't know what to watch

00:53:29yeah but the

00:53:31corner man can lie

00:53:32the right hand

00:53:34doesn't lie

00:53:35exactly

00:53:35and he knows that

00:53:37but again

00:53:39you know not just

00:53:40sounding to keep me

00:53:41fitting he's a very

00:53:41he's a top professional

00:53:43fighter this guy

00:53:43this is what a professional

00:53:44fighter does

00:53:45no matter how he feels

00:53:46no matter what happens

00:53:47he performs

00:53:48and that's what Ramirez

00:53:49is doing

00:53:49he's just in my opinion

00:53:51with another

00:53:52potentially top

00:53:54professional fighter

00:53:55that's why I have to

00:53:57disagree with Mike Tyson

00:53:58he won't wear him down

00:53:59there's a good body shot

00:54:03now it is Chavez

00:54:09who backs Ramirez up

00:54:10when they meet head to head

00:54:12in the center of the ring

00:54:13I think the tide has turned

00:54:16here and I think Chavez

00:54:17is going to start to

00:54:18dominate

00:54:18you think that Chavez

00:54:20senses now

00:54:21that he's weakened the ball

00:54:23and he can he can dominate

00:54:26that is in control

00:54:27yes

00:54:27solid right hand

00:54:29see him move at the punch

00:54:30that's what I like about

00:54:33that shit

00:54:33another right hand

00:54:35these are sensational blows

00:54:36at close range

00:54:38Ramirez take them well

00:54:44I don't know what Chavez

00:54:46has for skin

00:54:47but I'll tell you

00:54:49it would make a hell of a

00:54:50sofa

00:54:50it would never

00:54:51it would never wear out

00:54:52well that's another

00:54:55he has another reputation

00:54:56he just has tough skin

00:54:58thick skin

00:54:59and Ramirez's punches

00:55:01have lost their snaps

00:55:02to the extent that Chavez

00:55:03is now willing

00:55:04to stand in head to head

00:55:05and take them

00:55:06in order to dish out

00:55:07his own blows

00:55:08Chavez to the body

00:55:11to the body

00:55:12now he's in close

00:55:14where he should have been

00:55:14right along

00:55:15well I don't think he's

00:55:23worried about what he gets

00:55:23in return now

00:55:24Kevin Ramirez

00:55:25is just clawing at

00:55:26well I'll tell you

00:55:27you better worry a little

00:55:28because he gets tails

00:55:29this guy could hurt him

00:55:30you remember

00:55:31Rosario

00:55:31he had him hurting

00:55:32at 12 rounds

00:55:33almost knocked him out

00:55:34after taking a beating

00:55:35for 12 rounds

00:55:36there was a good right

00:55:41hook right there

00:55:41by Ramirez

00:55:44this is a good exchange

00:55:45here

00:55:46Kevin I don't remember

00:55:49seeing an exchange like

00:55:51this in the corner

00:55:52on the ropes for this long

00:55:54with two guys hammering

00:55:55at each other

00:55:56in quite that almost

00:55:59clinical way

00:56:00you're right

00:56:02a little trickle of blood

00:56:03on the bridge

00:56:03yeah a little trickle of blood

00:56:05on the bridge

00:56:05it's top of his nose

00:56:06oh yeah

00:56:07I think it's here

00:56:08I'm going to exchange it

00:56:10again I'll tell you

00:56:11it's premiered

00:56:11he's right there

00:56:12and look at Travis

00:56:15just back him up

00:56:16with his shoulders

00:56:17that's right

00:56:17right on

00:56:18close enough

00:56:18where he can't get hit

00:56:19well

00:56:20they're fighting

00:56:23for a neighborhood

00:56:24championship

00:56:25as well as a world

00:56:26championship

00:56:26and there you saw

00:56:27a real neighborhood

00:56:29war

00:56:29that's right

00:56:31let me see

00:56:35what we have

00:56:36let's do

00:56:39as you were doing

00:56:41before

00:56:41do not try

00:56:44to exchange

00:56:44the punches

00:56:45with him

00:56:45do it

00:56:47as at the beginning

00:56:48as you were doing

00:56:50at the beginning

00:56:51boxing

00:56:51now he cut you

00:56:54already

00:56:54that's not too

00:56:58serious

00:56:59don't worry about it

00:57:00you have to keep

00:57:03on boxing

00:57:03he has one eye

00:57:08almost closed

00:57:09so keep trying

00:57:10at it

00:57:10venga

00:57:11well that cut

00:57:17doesn't really look

00:57:18that bad on his nose

00:57:19but if I was Ramirez

00:57:19I'd go right after

00:57:20with that straight

00:57:21left hand

00:57:21I've got to bust it

00:57:23open

00:57:23but it doesn't look

00:57:24bad to me

00:57:25if I'm Chavez

00:57:26I'm going to get

00:57:27close

00:57:27work the body

00:57:28and go to the head

00:57:29Larry we're into the ninth

00:57:34and the Mexican fans

00:57:35who drove up from

00:57:36south of the border

00:57:37have gotten their

00:57:38money's worth

00:57:38so are all those

00:57:41out in television land

00:57:42who are seeing

00:57:44two little giants

00:57:46at their best

00:57:47two top professional

00:57:49fighters

00:57:49at their best

00:57:50these guys are both

00:57:51professional fighters

00:57:53in the two cents

00:57:53the professional

00:57:54in the sense

00:57:55Kevin

00:57:55that you've got

00:57:57from Custom Auto

00:57:59they're here to entertain

00:58:00they're here to

00:58:02really fight

00:58:03that's what I'm talking

00:58:04about

00:58:04give it their all

00:58:06take the shot

00:58:06come back

00:58:07move their head

00:58:07the one man

00:58:09takes a lot

00:58:09keeps coming

00:58:10Chavez moves the

00:58:12I like that

00:58:12it looks good

00:58:13boy

00:58:15two right hands

00:58:15solid right hand

00:58:16lead

00:58:17it's a follow

00:58:19as you pointed out

00:58:20Kevin

00:58:20the holy

00:58:21the holy

00:58:22great

00:58:22Jose Luis Ramirez

00:58:24has said

00:58:25that he was almost

00:58:26forced into this

00:58:27bout

00:58:27that a part of him

00:58:28didn't want to fight

00:58:29his close personal

00:58:30friend Julio Cesar

00:58:32Chavez

00:58:32and both men say

00:58:33regardless of the

00:58:34outcome

00:58:35the friendship

00:58:36lasts forever

00:58:37I believe that

00:58:38and that's why

00:58:39I mean

00:58:39they're professional

00:58:40fighters

00:58:40they're great

00:58:41friends

00:58:41that went in

00:58:42this ring

00:58:42and they're fighting

00:58:43like their bitter enemies

00:58:44and although it isn't

00:58:45official

00:58:46they'll also get

00:58:47from what I've heard

00:58:48close to $900,000

00:58:50each

00:58:50which should help

00:58:51cement the friendship

00:58:52that's right

00:58:53that will keep your friend

00:58:54for doing something

00:58:57they used to do

00:58:58for nothing

00:58:59that's right

00:58:59two solid laps

00:59:02on a right hand

00:59:03by Chavez

00:59:04and the accuracy

00:59:05of his punches

00:59:06taking the toll

00:59:06then he got out of there

00:59:07it's another good

00:59:12round for Chavez

00:59:12and more and more

00:59:15it looks like

00:59:16Chavez

00:59:16is going to be content

00:59:17to try to rack up

00:59:19a decision

00:59:19and depend on

00:59:20the judges

00:59:20here

00:59:21that's right

00:59:21just how point

00:59:22well if he hurt

00:59:23them along the line

00:59:24again

00:59:24I would like to see

00:59:24if he'll answer

00:59:25very good

00:59:28there was some

00:59:33power punches

00:59:34by Ramirez

00:59:34went downstairs

00:59:35upstairs

00:59:36answered by Chavez

00:59:37it's a very

00:59:41entertaining fight

00:59:42Kevin

00:59:42more and more

00:59:43it appears

00:59:44that the tide

00:59:44of the bout

00:59:45has turned

00:59:45in Julio's favor

00:59:46he's won the last

00:59:47several rounds

00:59:47what must Ramirez

00:59:49do to reverse it

00:59:50again

00:59:50I think he had

00:59:52to jump on

00:59:52exchange with him

00:59:54hoping to catch him

00:59:55with a good shot

00:59:56to open up a little bit

00:59:57back him up

00:59:58he's letting him

00:59:58bar

00:59:59from the total

00:59:59of tempo

01:00:00he gets a lot of rope

01:00:02he lets him get off

01:00:02he's got to keep him

01:00:03on the rope

01:00:03maybe get a little rough

01:00:04grab him

01:00:05hold him

01:00:06there's no trick

01:00:07he can do

01:00:07he better do it

01:00:09or he's going to lose

01:00:10this fight

01:00:10Chavez landing

01:00:12right hand

01:00:12after right hand

01:00:14Ramirez has never

01:00:15found a defense

01:00:16for it

01:00:16at any time

01:00:17in the nine

01:00:18nearly completed rounds

01:00:20now complete

01:00:21and they touch gloves

01:00:23I don't like that

01:00:23better

01:00:26Harold

01:00:32how do you have it

01:00:33at this stage

01:00:34of the game

01:00:34Larry I got it

01:00:3588 to 83

01:00:3672 in round

01:00:37for about Julio

01:00:38Cesar Chavez

01:00:39Jose Luis

01:00:40and Ramirez

01:00:40just doesn't seem

01:00:41to have any power

01:00:42left hand

01:00:43and I think Julio

01:00:44Cesar Chavez

01:00:44is just martyring him

01:00:45with those right hand

01:00:46please and Chavez

01:00:47is just sweeping

01:00:48the last five rounds

01:00:49in a row

01:00:50and he's winning

01:00:50the fight's very very big

01:00:52agreed

01:00:53agreed

01:00:55so we're unanimous

01:00:58there you go

01:01:01that's not

01:01:05what you would call

01:01:06a classic right hand

01:01:08it's a kind of

01:01:08somewhere between

01:01:09a jab

01:01:10and a big right hand

01:01:12and a hook

01:01:12it's not a punch

01:01:14that's designed

01:01:15to really hurt

01:01:17not to knock you out

01:01:18just to annoy you

01:01:19it's all more

01:01:21to take

01:01:21although I confess

01:01:24that I wouldn't want

01:01:25to be on the end of it

01:01:26three rounds to go

01:01:28and this champion

01:01:28just out

01:01:29increasingly dominated

01:01:30by the man

01:01:31in the white trunk

01:01:32unbeaten

01:01:32WBA world

01:01:34lightweight champion

01:01:35Julio Cesar Chavez

01:01:37the one thing about

01:01:43Romero is you can't

01:01:44count them out

01:01:45we can remember

01:01:49the Rosario fight

01:01:50Rosario had him

01:01:51down twice

01:01:52the first couple

01:01:53of rounds

01:01:54he looked at

01:01:55he was gone

01:01:56and he stopped

01:01:58Rosario in the fourth round

01:01:59and if I remember

01:02:00I think it was

01:02:01the second round

01:02:01when he heard

01:02:02he heard Chavez

01:02:03over in the corner

01:02:04he opened up

01:02:04that's what he has

01:02:05to do

01:02:06to get back in

01:02:07to have a chance

01:02:08to win

01:02:08he's going to have

01:02:08to knock him out

01:02:09Chavez has twice

01:02:12had Ramirez

01:02:13seemingly

01:02:13close out of his feet

01:02:15and about

01:02:16neither time

01:02:17was he able

01:02:17to knock him down

01:02:18that was a good

01:02:18right hook

01:02:19by Ramirez

01:02:20Chavez took it well

01:02:21that was his best

01:02:22punch in many rounds

01:02:23I think he hurt him

01:02:24a little bit

01:02:24this is a good

01:02:35exchange

01:02:35this is entertainment

01:02:36though

01:02:36solid right hand

01:02:38by Chavez

01:02:38another one

01:02:39three in the last

01:02:41several seconds

01:02:42a fourth solid

01:02:43right hand

01:02:43by Chavez

01:02:44Ramirez continues

01:02:45to stand

01:02:46and deliver

01:02:46in reserve

01:02:47refuses to go

01:02:48oh boy

01:02:52I take my hat

01:02:53up to these two

01:02:54guys

01:02:54right now

01:02:55no matter what

01:02:55happens

01:02:56I take the rematch

01:03:01oh here he goes

01:03:07only once

01:03:09in his 59 bouts

01:03:11and 50 knockouts

01:03:12as Julio Cesar Chavez

01:03:14put a man away

01:03:14past the ninth round

01:03:16that was Edwin

01:03:17Rosario

01:03:17here in Las Vegas

01:03:18in a bout

01:03:21somewhat similar

01:03:22to this one

01:03:23maybe Lightning

01:03:24will strike

01:03:24probably not

01:03:26of course Chavez

01:03:29has never been

01:03:30knocked out

01:03:30he's unbeaten

01:03:31I'm trying to remember

01:03:32to score some strong

01:03:33punches this round

01:03:34this has been Ramirez's

01:03:36best round in the one

01:03:37definitely

01:03:38he hurt this guy

01:03:39this guy's a good

01:03:40professional fighter

01:03:41take it well

01:03:42he comes back

01:03:44good round

01:03:45good round

01:03:46it's just target

01:03:47it's just target

01:03:47practice with the right

01:03:48hand

01:03:48though

01:03:49Ramirez

01:03:50can't even block it

01:03:51with the left

01:03:52he doesn't even try

01:03:53he should be bending

01:03:54he's concentrating on that

01:03:56I tell him that in the corner

01:03:57I chastised on the bottom

01:04:00look at the heart of Jose Luis

01:04:03Ramirez

01:04:03press it forward

01:04:04always flying

01:04:05another right hand

01:04:07this is remarkable

01:04:13sustained punishment

01:04:14that Ramirez has been able

01:04:16to endure

01:04:16and continue to fight

01:04:18fight well

01:04:20he won that round

01:04:20I agree

01:04:22this is like one of those movies

01:04:25where you see so many punches

01:04:27you say

01:04:28nobody can take those punches

01:04:30this is fiction

01:04:31and what we're seeing here

01:04:34is two guys who are

01:04:35making reality out of that kind of fiction

01:04:38now you have cut him twice

01:04:39you keep on boxing

01:04:42boxing

01:04:43job

01:04:44job

01:04:44but keep on working on him

01:04:45fight to hit him on the chest

01:04:50we're all behind you

01:04:54don't let him hit you

01:05:01keep on punching

01:05:03don't let him hit you

01:05:05always repeat your punches

01:05:07repeat your right hand

01:05:10if it goes on this way

01:05:18both men can go back to the old

01:05:21neighborhood with pride

01:05:23with their heads held high

01:05:24that's right

01:05:24six minutes to go

01:05:26Julio Cesar Chavez

01:05:29and the white struck

01:05:30Jose Luis Ramirez

01:05:31in the red

01:05:32we heard mostly cheerleading

01:05:33from the corners

01:05:34there wasn't really any

01:05:35substance to what they were saying

01:05:37I don't think we're going to see

01:05:40anything too much different

01:05:41Kevin

01:05:41no we're not

01:05:42but if I was in the corner

01:05:44of Ramirez

01:05:44that's how we got to get out there

01:05:46and really try to rough this guy up

01:05:47and open up

01:05:48he managed to split punches that round

01:05:50he heard of it

01:05:51the man thinks he got well

01:05:52just go for it

01:05:54he's got to go for a knockout

01:05:55that's what I would be telling

01:05:56Mike Tyson

01:05:57still alongside us here

01:05:59at ringside

01:06:00and ready to talk with us

01:06:01a little bit more about

01:06:03what's going on

01:06:03in his own life

01:06:04in his career

01:06:05right after this bout

01:06:06tremendous championship action

01:06:10in the ring

01:06:11right hand

01:06:11there's a cut

01:06:12I do not stop the fight

01:06:15over that

01:06:15no way

01:06:16no how

01:06:17now we know that Ramirez

01:06:18is cut

01:06:19Chavez is not

01:06:20no blood coming

01:06:21from Chavez

01:06:21does not stop this fight

01:06:23Chavez is shaking his head

01:06:25because he's disappointed

01:06:26I've been

01:06:26you know I've been

01:06:27curious all along

01:06:29two fighters who are noted

01:06:31for going forward

01:06:32when and if that might happen

01:06:34it was a distinct possibility

01:06:36I'm certainly glad

01:06:38it didn't happen

01:06:39early in the fight

01:06:40accidental blood

01:06:41that was an accidental

01:06:42blood

01:06:42let's clarify that right now

01:06:43particularly with the southpaw

01:06:46against the conventional fighters

01:06:47there it is

01:06:47there you saw

01:06:48both fighters coming straight ahead

01:06:50and they stopped the fight

01:06:51it's hard to see from here

01:06:55how bad that cut is

01:06:56except that it is trickling directly

01:06:59into the ice

01:07:00it's trickling down

01:07:00so what

01:07:01it doesn't look that bad

01:07:02a painful anti-climax

01:07:04in the ring

01:07:05neither fighter satisfied with this

01:07:08that's nothing

01:07:10I think crazy

01:07:10the tactical players

01:07:11how

01:07:13okay well

01:07:14in my estimation

01:07:15I think they're going to go

01:07:16to the scorecard

01:07:17you deduct a point

01:07:19in the WBC rules

01:07:21from the fighter

01:07:22who is not injured

01:07:24in other words

01:07:25you deduct one point

01:07:27from Julio Cesar Chavez

01:07:29you then score the 11th round

01:07:32deduct a point from Chavez

01:07:34and go to the scorecard

01:07:36on an accidental blood

01:07:37and I think that's what's going to happen

01:07:39oh that was a bad little bang

01:07:48but

01:07:48ah

01:07:49hand to hand

01:07:55and head to head comeback

01:07:57and I'm a little surprised

01:07:59that this hasn't happened earlier

01:08:00and grateful

01:08:02well

01:08:04I can argue with that a little bit

01:08:06because their boys were fighting

01:08:08well but they knew what they were doing

01:08:09so when you know what you're doing

01:08:10you don't bang your head

01:08:11that was an accidental bunt

01:08:13their boys were coming at the same angle

01:08:14which you know what happened

01:08:15a lot of times

01:08:17with a southpaw

01:08:18against a conventional fighter

01:08:19it happens in the first minute

01:08:20of the first round

01:08:21that's right

01:08:21but they're two good fighters

01:08:22they know what they're doing

01:08:22and they know each other

01:08:23I still say they should stop the fight

01:08:26they never stepped on each other's feet

01:08:27they never entangled themselves

01:08:29I'll tell you this

01:08:29I'll tell you this fellas

01:08:30if you had a division of

01:08:32of troops like

01:08:33like these two guys

01:08:34you could conquer the world

01:08:35let me say this

01:08:36let me say this

01:08:37this is why I disagree with

01:08:39doctors having the power

01:08:40to stop fights

01:08:40and whatnot

01:08:41that's not to stop the fight

01:08:43all right

01:08:44Chavez is winning

01:08:45but that guy has a chance

01:08:46to knock out at any point in time

01:08:47now that's my reason

01:08:49right there

01:08:49this is a good entertaining fight

01:08:51you took away two rounds

01:08:52for this man

01:08:52maybe to have a chance

01:08:53maybe

01:08:54here we go

01:08:54we're seeing the screen

01:08:55now

01:08:55don't look

01:08:55it's nothing

01:08:56it's nothing

01:08:57that was a bad call

01:08:59that's a bad call

01:09:00you think that he based

01:09:02his decision on the fact

01:09:03that Chavez

01:09:05was far ahead

01:09:06and so he decided

01:09:08in a questionable situation

01:09:10exactly

01:09:10yes

01:09:11and I don't think

01:09:11he should do that

01:09:12the man wanted to keep fighting

01:09:13unless the man said

01:09:14something

01:09:14he did

01:09:15he showed very

01:09:16disappointment

01:09:17disappointment in his face

01:09:18I mean things like that

01:09:20piss me off

01:09:20right now

01:09:21this is in the hands

01:09:22of Lou Tabat

01:09:23Art Lurie

01:09:24and Rudy Jordan

01:09:25the three judges

01:09:27empowered

01:09:27by the State Boxing Commission

01:09:30here in Nevada

01:09:30to now determine

01:09:31who will be

01:09:33the winner

01:09:33of this bout

01:09:35is it going to the scorecards

01:09:36is it an accident on the box

01:09:37well Harold Letterman

01:09:38is suggesting that

01:09:39it will go to the scorecards

01:09:41and that is the WBA rule

01:09:44which is being used

01:09:45in this instance

01:09:45but we haven't

01:09:46have we heard anything

01:09:47Harold Letterman

01:09:50let's open Harold

01:09:51one more time

01:09:51for a final analysis

01:09:52here

01:09:53okay Jim

01:09:54it's not the WBA rule

01:09:55it is the WBC rule

01:09:57in a WBC rule

01:09:58on an accidental butt

01:10:00one point

01:10:01is deducted

01:10:02from the fighter

01:10:02who is not injured

01:10:04in other words

01:10:05one point

01:10:06will be deducted

01:10:07from the score

01:10:08of Julio Cesar Chavez

01:10:09I believe that

01:10:10they will score

01:10:11the 11th round

01:10:12and the person

01:10:13who has the most points

01:10:14after the one point

01:10:16is deducted

01:10:16from Chavez's score

01:10:18will be the winner

01:10:19now in our estimation

01:10:20Chavez is far ahead

01:10:21so Chavez should win

01:10:22on a technical decision

01:10:24right okay

01:10:24let's go up the duck call

01:10:25right now

01:10:25and find out

01:10:26ladies and gentlemen

01:10:29here is the decision

01:10:30as rendered

01:10:31referee Richard Steele

01:10:33deducts one point

01:10:34from the score

01:10:34of Julio Cesar Chavez

01:10:35for the bust

01:10:37that has just occurred

01:10:38I will now read

01:10:39the scores

01:10:40of the officials

01:10:41Judge Rudy Jordan

01:10:44scores the bouts

01:10:4496-94

01:10:47Judge Lou Tabbitt

01:10:49scores the bouts

01:10:4995-93

01:10:52and Judge Art Lurie

01:10:54scores the bouts

01:10:5598-91

01:10:57the winner

01:10:59on a technical decision

01:11:00and now

01:11:02the possessor

01:11:03of two

01:11:03lightweight championship belts

01:11:05Julio Cesar

01:11:08jumped there

01:11:09that's right

01:11:13pretty close though

01:11:15Kevin

01:11:15too close

01:11:16too close

01:11:17the one judge

01:11:17had it right

01:11:18what do you have

01:11:19Harold

01:11:20well after

01:11:21deducting a point

01:11:22I would have had

01:11:23it 97 for Chavez

01:11:2592 for Jose

01:11:26Louis Ramirez

01:11:27I had Chavez

01:11:28five points ahead

01:11:29I think that sounds

01:11:29about right

01:11:30I want that way

01:11:31of other scores

01:11:31it became so close

01:11:32a lot of even rounds

01:11:33Harold you think

01:11:34or what

01:11:34well Kevin

01:11:35I'll tell you the truth

01:11:36Jose Luis Ramirez

01:11:37was the aggressor

01:11:38and obviously

01:11:39they gave him credit

01:11:40for aggressiveness

01:11:41I didn't think

01:11:42it was effective

01:11:42aggressiveness

01:11:43I thought that

01:11:44when Ramirez

01:11:44would move forward

01:11:45he would get nailed

01:11:46by Julio Cesar

01:11:47Chavez's right hand

01:11:48so you actually

01:11:49score on four points

01:11:51a clean punching

01:11:51effective aggressiveness

01:11:52ring general

01:11:53ship of defense

01:11:54but it has to be

01:11:55effective aggressiveness

01:11:56and this is the reason

01:11:57I think the judges

01:11:58scored that many

01:11:59points for Ramirez

01:12:00they gave it to him

01:12:01on his effectiveness

01:12:02but yet I still think

01:12:03it was an effective

01:12:04aggressiveness

01:12:04I think that

01:12:05Julio Cesar Chavez

01:12:07landed the clean

01:12:08hard punch

01:12:08but you make a good

01:12:09point Harold

01:12:10some judges

01:12:10are tremendously

01:12:11swayed just by

01:12:12which fighter

01:12:13is coming forward

01:12:14through most of the

01:12:15but my point is

01:12:16what would a round

01:12:17be scored

01:12:17even round

01:12:18when he gave him

01:12:18to Ramirez

01:12:19because I have it

01:12:20what 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6

01:12:236 rounds for Chavez

01:12:2470 give him the 11

01:12:26well let's look

01:12:27at the final punch

01:12:28statistics in the bout

01:12:29give us a profile

01:12:30of what happened

01:12:31in the bout

01:12:31you can see

01:12:32that according

01:12:32to our computer

01:12:33operators

01:12:34Julio Cesar Chavez

01:12:35landed 56%

01:12:36of his punches

01:12:37Ramirez

01:12:37was the more

01:12:38active fighter

01:12:39let's go to

01:12:39Larry Merchant

01:12:40in the ring

01:12:41right now

01:12:41with the winner

01:12:42Julio Cesar Chavez

01:12:43Julio

01:12:45what happened

01:12:46as you saw

01:12:47on the cut

01:12:48and do you think

01:12:49it was serious

01:12:49enough to stop

01:12:50the fight

01:12:51I still haven't seen

01:13:00the cut

01:13:01when he comes in

01:13:04he comes out

01:13:05with his head

01:13:06do you feel

01:13:08that both of you

01:13:09have won your honor

01:13:11in this fight

01:13:12that you can go

01:13:13back home

01:13:13feeling that

01:13:14you both performed

01:13:15as well as you could

01:13:17I think so

01:13:25it was a very good fight

01:13:26I did my fight

01:13:28I didn't want the fight

01:13:41to be stopped

01:13:43because there was

01:13:56too much money

01:13:56involved

01:13:57where exactly

01:13:58were you hurt

01:13:59right here

01:14:02at this point

01:14:03in the fourth round

01:14:04you staggered him

01:14:06and then you backed off

01:14:08why didn't you finish him

01:14:10then

01:14:10if you were feeling hurt

01:14:11I don't know

01:14:20I'm sorry

01:14:20I don't know

01:14:21I'm sorry

01:14:21do you think

01:14:23do you think

01:14:24there was in you

01:14:25a little bit

01:14:26too much respect

01:14:28for him

01:14:29at that stage

01:14:29of the fight

01:14:30I don't know

01:14:37I really don't know

01:14:40I think I did

01:14:43a very intelligent fight

01:14:45it wasn't useful

01:14:49to punch with him

01:14:51to change

01:14:52I only did it

01:14:55when it was needed

01:14:56was the fact

01:14:57that your rib

01:14:58was hurt

01:14:59the reason

01:15:00for the fact

01:15:01that you stood outside

01:15:02and wanted

01:15:03to box him

01:15:04and take him apart

01:15:05in that fashion

01:15:06rather than

01:15:06to overwhelm him

01:15:08at the start

01:15:08how do you feel now

01:15:21about

01:15:22what you're going

01:15:23to go to next

01:15:24upwards

01:15:25to the

01:15:26junior welterweight championship

01:15:28I don't know

01:15:29I don't know

01:15:29don't change

01:15:30thank you

01:15:31I love you too much

01:15:32what did you know

01:15:34I don't know

01:15:35what you do want

01:15:37to go on

01:15:37to fight the bigger men

01:15:39yes very good

01:15:40yes very good

01:15:41just one quote

01:15:42from you

01:15:42you said

01:15:43you want to leave

01:15:44tracks

01:15:44in this life

01:15:46what do you mean

01:15:47by that

01:15:47I want everybody

01:15:55to remember me

01:15:56as a great fighter

01:15:56thank you very much

01:15:59I love you all

01:15:59thank you

01:16:00thank you

01:16:02and back

01:16:03to Jim and Kevin

01:16:05alright

01:16:06thanks Larry

01:16:06Kevin

01:16:07a lot of people

01:16:08feel that

01:16:08the only man

01:16:09in the sport

01:16:10of boxing

01:16:10who is comparable

01:16:11to the fighter

01:16:11you train

01:16:12Mike Tyson

01:16:12in terms of

01:16:13his dominance

01:16:14his skill

01:16:15his ability

01:16:15to excel

01:16:16in his division

01:16:17is Julio Cesar

01:16:18Tevez

01:16:18how do you rank him

01:16:19in the overall

01:16:20boxing world

01:16:20after what you saw

01:16:21tonight

01:16:21well I have to put him

01:16:23up to the top

01:16:23of the game

01:16:24right now

01:16:24just be the

01:16:25determined

01:16:26professional fighter

01:16:27he shows

01:16:27a lot of

01:16:28professional qualities

01:16:29he may be even

01:16:30a little more

01:16:31professional

01:16:31than Mike Tyson

01:16:32right now

01:16:32I mean there's a lot

01:16:33of young fighters

01:16:33out there that have

01:16:34potential to reach

01:16:34that point

01:16:35but he's at that

01:16:36point right now

01:16:37we'll have more

01:16:38chance to talk

01:16:39about that

01:16:39in a little while

01:16:40let's go back

01:16:40to Larry Merchant

01:16:41in the ring

01:16:41alright I'm with

01:16:42Richard Steele

01:16:43the referee

01:16:44would you describe

01:16:45why the fight

01:16:47was stopped

01:16:47on a cut

01:16:48that from us

01:16:49in ringside

01:16:50on the other side

01:16:51of the ring

01:16:51appeared not to be

01:16:52that serious

01:16:53the cut

01:16:54the cut was very

01:16:55bad

01:16:55the cut was

01:16:56in a bad position

01:16:57because it was

01:16:58right in the middle

01:16:59of the eye

01:16:59between the eyes

01:17:01it was high

01:17:01but it was between

01:17:02the eyes

01:17:03that means that

01:17:03the blood would

01:17:04would have been

01:17:06going into his eyes

01:17:07if we had to let

01:17:08the fight go on

01:17:09you don't think

01:17:10somehow

01:17:11and you can describe

01:17:12this to us

01:17:13as you see it

01:17:13this was right

01:17:14after the fight

01:17:15after they banged

01:17:17head

01:17:17that a fighter

01:17:18who fought as bravely

01:17:20and courageously

01:17:21as Ramirez

01:17:21in this fight

01:17:22what do you think

01:17:23he deserves

01:17:23the opportunity

01:17:24to show even

01:17:25if he can complete

01:17:26that round

01:17:27yeah

01:17:27well you know

01:17:28we gave him

01:17:29every opportunity

01:17:30you know

01:17:30all through the fight

01:17:32you know

01:17:32he fought a very

01:17:33courageous

01:17:33very good fight

01:17:35you know

01:17:35but we cannot

01:17:36we can't let a fight

01:17:37go on when a guy

01:17:38is seriously hurt

01:17:39and that was

01:17:40seriously cut

01:17:42and most of the time

01:17:43I have seen

01:17:44during all the years

01:17:45that that cut

01:17:45is going to

01:17:46just keep on

01:17:47going down

01:17:47and keep getting lost

01:17:49just this last thing

01:17:50Richard

01:17:50the fact that

01:17:51it appeared

01:17:52that Chavez

01:17:53was winning

01:17:54the fight

01:17:54perhaps even

01:17:55dominating it

01:17:56in the late round

01:17:57does that go

01:17:58into the equation

01:18:00when you decide

01:18:01to stop a fight

01:18:02on that kind

01:18:02of a situation

01:18:03that has a lot

01:18:05to do with it

01:18:05because the guy

01:18:06was getting stronger

01:18:07you know

01:18:08Chavez is a wonderful

01:18:09fighter

01:18:09he's a good

01:18:10counter puncher

01:18:11he's a good

01:18:12banger

01:18:12he's a good

01:18:13monster

01:18:13he's very clever

01:18:14you know

01:18:15and he was

01:18:16showing that he

01:18:16was the best

01:18:17tonight

01:18:18so that went

01:18:18into the decision

01:18:19you might as well

01:18:20stop it now

01:18:21before any further

01:18:21damage

01:18:22thank you Richard

01:18:23thank you

01:18:23Jim

01:18:23all right

01:18:26thanks very much

01:18:26Larry

01:18:27and while Larry

01:18:27tries to get a hold

01:18:28of Jose Luis Ramirez

01:18:29I will remind you

01:18:30that we still expect

01:18:31before we leave the air

01:18:32to have a few moments

01:18:34to talk with

01:18:34the world heavyweight

01:18:35champion

01:18:36Mike Tyson

01:18:37who became

01:18:37in partnership

01:18:38either formally

01:18:39or informally

01:18:40with Don King

01:18:40it's open to question

01:18:41exactly what the

01:18:42arrangement was

01:18:43at this moment

01:18:43the co-promoter

01:18:45at least

01:18:45of tonight's card

01:18:47and Larry Merchant

01:18:48gets ready to talk

01:18:49to Jose Luis Ramirez

01:18:50one more brief

01:18:51comment from you

01:18:51Kevin Rooney

01:18:52you say you might

01:18:53have disagreed

01:18:53with the decision

01:18:54to stop the fight

01:18:55there but to give

01:18:55credit where credit

01:18:56is due

01:18:56a lot of people

01:18:57believe this man

01:18:58is the best

01:18:58referee in boxing

01:18:59do they not

01:19:00well I've heard that

01:19:02but I listened to

01:19:03what I just had to say

01:19:04and I totally

01:19:05disagree with what

01:19:06he said about

01:19:07stopping the fight

01:19:08the man was this

01:19:09the man was that

01:19:09the blood was not

01:19:11pouring down in his eyes

01:19:12you have to give

01:19:13the corner man

01:19:14the cut man

01:19:14a chance to stop

01:19:15the blood

01:19:16I'm not sure

01:19:16what time

01:19:17was left

01:19:17I totally just

01:19:18do everything

01:19:18they said

01:19:19it's politics

01:19:20I disagree with it

01:19:21the man

01:19:22if the man

01:19:22wanted to keep

01:19:23fighting

01:19:23he should have

01:19:24been left

01:19:25to keep fighting

01:19:25let's see what

01:19:26he got to say

01:19:26up here about

01:19:27Kevin Rooney

01:19:28in a memorable

01:19:28debut

01:19:29and we go back

01:19:29to Larry Merchant

01:19:30alright

01:19:32Jose Luis

01:19:33could you tell us

01:19:35whether you thought

01:19:36the fight

01:19:37should have been

01:19:38stopped

01:19:38on that cut

01:19:39could you have

01:19:40continued

01:19:40I could have

01:19:52continued fighting

01:19:52but they stopped

01:19:53are you angry

01:19:55that they stopped

01:19:56do you still feel

01:19:57you had a chance

01:19:58to pull out

01:19:59a miracle knockout

01:20:00I was confident

01:20:11because I think

01:20:12this wasn't too fair

01:20:14do you feel

01:20:16as Chávez feels

01:20:19that you fought

01:20:20your best

01:20:21and that you can

01:20:22go home feeling

01:20:23that you did your best

01:20:24yes I think

01:20:39I was winning

01:20:39this fight

01:20:40because he was

01:20:41only boxing

01:20:41and I was

01:20:42doing the pressure

01:20:43did anything

01:20:45happen in there

01:20:46that reminded you

01:20:47of the old days

01:20:48when you used

01:20:49to spar together

01:20:50or was it

01:20:51a different feeling

01:20:51it was always

01:21:04the same as always

01:21:05we've been fighting

01:21:05this way for years

01:21:07and it was the same thing

01:21:08only you used

01:21:09to do it for nothing

01:21:10and tonight

01:21:10you got a lot

01:21:11of money for it

01:21:12life is like that

01:21:18that's life

01:21:19thank you

01:21:20and thank you

01:21:21for a great performance

01:21:22he says he wants

01:21:26to come back

01:21:26for a rematch

01:21:27he's not happy

01:21:28with it

01:21:29he's going to

01:21:29come back

01:21:30for a rematch

01:21:30that's how

01:21:32a true warrior

01:21:33would feel

01:21:33after a fight

01:21:34like that

01:21:35Jim

01:21:35alright

01:21:37thanks very much

01:21:38Larry

01:21:38so just to sum up

01:21:39we saw

01:21:40a tremendous

01:21:41battle

01:21:41between two

01:21:42great champions

01:21:43Jose Luis Ramirez

01:21:44and Julio Cesar Chavez

01:21:46coming up

01:21:47an interview now

01:21:48with Mike Tyson

01:21:49as Larry Merchant

01:21:50makes his way

01:21:51toward Tyson

01:21:51and we rejoin

01:21:53Tyson's trainer

01:21:53Kevin Rooney

01:21:54and just to bring you

01:21:55up to date again

01:21:56Chavez moves up

01:21:57to 60 and 0

01:21:58according to our

01:21:59official count

01:22:00and becomes champion

01:22:01in both the WBA

01:22:02and WBC statistics

01:22:04and Jose Luis Ramirez

01:22:06drops to 101

01:22:07and 7

01:22:09and loses

01:22:09I think

01:22:10none of his luster

01:22:11as a great warrior

01:22:12and tonight

01:22:14if you're a fight fan

01:22:15in your heart

01:22:15you're probably

01:22:16just a little bit

01:22:17Mexican

01:22:17after watching

01:22:18this tremendous battle

01:22:19Kevin

01:22:19we're probably

01:22:20not going to get

01:22:20a chance

01:22:21after the Mike Tyson

01:22:22interview

01:22:22to talk with you

01:22:23about your reflections

01:22:24on what's happening

01:22:25to the fighter

01:22:26you train

01:22:26given the changes

01:22:27of the last few weeks

01:22:28and while Larry

01:22:29gets ready to talk

01:22:30with Mike

01:22:30are you optimistic

01:22:31about the heavyweight

01:22:32champion's future career?

01:22:34I'm optimistic

01:22:35it has to be

01:22:36I'm a professional

01:22:37I feel if I get

01:22:37my fighter back

01:22:38in the gym

01:22:39he's under my tutelage

01:22:40that I'll get him

01:22:41back where his mind

01:22:42belongs

01:22:42and that is

01:22:43only concentrating

01:22:45on being

01:22:46the best fighter

01:22:47you can be

01:22:48not being a promoter

01:22:49he's too young

01:22:50to be a promoter

01:22:50right now

01:22:51I think it's

01:22:51a bunch of hogwash

01:22:52but if I can get him

01:22:53in the gym

01:22:54let's get back

01:22:54to what guy

01:22:55where you're at

01:22:56you're a fighter

01:22:57you're a fighter first

01:22:58he seems to be

01:22:59more and more

01:23:00under the wing

01:23:01of promoter Don King

01:23:02and less and less

01:23:04a part of the world

01:23:05in which he was

01:23:06nurtured in boxing

01:23:07the world created

01:23:08by Castamaro

01:23:09and Jimmy Jacobs

01:23:09and Bill Caton

01:23:11and yourself

01:23:11does that bother you?

01:23:13well I mean

01:23:14it's a tiny bit

01:23:15of a concern

01:23:16I try to ignore it all

01:23:17I mean the fighter

01:23:17doesn't do what he

01:23:18wants to do anyway

01:23:18he's a person

01:23:19what he does outside

01:23:20of the boxing ring

01:23:21is that's his business

01:23:22I want him in the ring

01:23:23if you want to be a fighter

01:23:24come back into the gym

01:23:25come back to

01:23:26Castamaro New York

01:23:26if you want to train

01:23:27in Cleveland

01:23:28I'll go there

01:23:29I'll go wherever

01:23:29you want me to train

01:23:30I want to be the trainer

01:23:31and I want you to remember

01:23:32that I'm the boss

01:23:33when we're training

01:23:34you can make

01:23:35what you want

01:23:35you always make

01:23:36the decisions

01:23:36when you get in the ring

01:23:37and you knock people out

01:23:39you're the boss

01:23:39you don't need people

01:23:40telling you're the boss

01:23:41I know you're the boss

01:23:42let me do my job

01:23:43you do your job

01:23:44let's let the manager

01:23:45do his job

01:23:46alright let's let

01:23:47Larry Merchant

01:23:47do his job

01:23:48right now

01:23:49thank you Jim

01:23:50Mike

01:23:51did you ever think

01:23:52you'd like to be

01:23:52in a fight like that

01:23:53you know

01:23:55I don't think particularly

01:23:56but sometimes

01:23:57these things happen

01:23:58in the fighting ring

01:23:59you never know

01:23:59sometimes

01:24:00fighters arrive

01:24:01to the occasion

01:24:03they fight

01:24:04three times

01:24:04or four times

01:24:05better than

01:24:06they're really capable of doing

01:24:07can you believe

01:24:08that Chavez

01:24:08fought that

01:24:09with a bad

01:24:10a very bad rib

01:24:11and he almost called it off

01:24:12no not at all

01:24:13you know

01:24:13most fighters

01:24:14real fighters

01:24:14they're macho

01:24:15you know

01:24:15and they really like

01:24:16to do things like that

01:24:17and live through

01:24:18and if they will

01:24:18I had a broken rib

01:24:19and I fought him

01:24:19on a broken hand

01:24:20alright Mike

01:24:22let's talk about

01:24:23some of the events

01:24:24that have been

01:24:24happening

01:24:25recently

01:24:26is the chapter

01:24:29the marriage chapter

01:24:31in your life

01:24:32over and done with

01:24:33you know

01:24:34this is something

01:24:35that I prefer

01:24:35really not talking about

01:24:36because basically

01:24:37it's personal

01:24:39but as far as

01:24:39my career

01:24:40is just moving on

01:24:41whatever

01:24:41I make mistakes

01:24:43in your life

01:24:43even though

01:24:44there's going to be

01:24:45a hundred million people

01:24:45telling me

01:24:46I told you so

01:24:47well good

01:24:48you're right

01:24:49I was wrong

01:24:49but listen to this

01:24:51I'm moving on

01:24:52let someone try to

01:24:52catch up with me now

01:24:53could you answer

01:24:56this just one question

01:24:57and I'll

01:24:58get away from it

01:24:59and get the prize fighting

01:25:00your wife has said

01:25:03that she doesn't want

01:25:04any money from you

01:25:05is that true

01:25:07in what's going on

01:25:08behind the scenes now

01:25:09I really

01:25:09I prefer

01:25:10not to even speak

01:25:11on that

01:25:11okay

01:25:12fine I respect that

01:25:13you've been in

01:25:16negotiations

01:25:17all day yesterday

01:25:18all day today

01:25:19with Bill Caton

01:25:20and Don King

01:25:21and others

01:25:23about trying to make

01:25:24some kind

01:25:25of a deal

01:25:26where Don King

01:25:28could be your promoter

01:25:29what is the status

01:25:31of those negotiations

01:25:32now

01:25:33well

01:25:34this is something

01:25:35like I said again

01:25:36which I'd very well

01:25:38rather not talk about

01:25:39but whatever deal

01:25:40I make

01:25:40is advantageous

01:25:41to myself

01:25:42look at this

01:25:44as far as

01:25:45Mike Tyson's

01:25:46concerned

01:25:47I generate

01:25:48all the income

01:25:49from Bill Caton

01:25:50to Don King

01:25:51from everybody

01:25:52the whole thing

01:25:52I generate the income

01:25:54and if

01:25:55no one can obey

01:25:56my wishes

01:25:56things have to happen

01:25:58if Bill Caton

01:26:01has the legal right

01:26:02to

01:26:03o'龗

01:26:05they besoin

01:26:06of those

01:26:09who

01:26:09they want

01:26:10to have

01:26:10and

01:26:11what

01:26:12they want

01:26:13to if

01:26:13they want

01:26:13so

01:26:14we want

01:26:15to have

01:26:16some kind

01:26:16of

01:26:17things

01:26:19and

01:26:19go

01:26:21in

01:26:22can

01:26:22or

01:26:23you

01:26:23know

01:26:24if

01:26:24this

01:26:24the

01:26:25morning

01:26:25you

01:26:26and

01:26:27they want

01:26:28to

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