Dmitry Glukhovsky: Ukraina to konkurencyjny projekt dla Rosji. Putin nie może sobie na to pozwolić

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Dmitry Glukhovsky: Ukraina to konkurencyjny projekt dla Rosji. Putin nie może sobie na to pozwolić   Najlepszym rozwiązaniem dla Putina jest zwycięstwo w wojnie, ale druga najlepsza opcja to przedłużanie jej bez końca - mówi Dmitry Glukhovsky, rosyjski pisarz i dysydent w ekskluzywnym wywiadzie dla Euronews. Tłumaczy, że Ukraina, jako konkurencyjny projekt cywilizacyjny jest solą w oku Putina.  CZYTAJ WIĘCEJ : http://pl.euronews.com/2025/11/14/dmitry-glukhovsky-ukraina-to-konkurencyjny-projekt-dla-rosji-putin-nie-moze-sobie-na-to-po  Zasubskrybuj nasz kanał.Euronews jest dostępny na Dailymotion w 12 językach

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00:00W Rosji grozi mu 8 lat więzienia za krytykę Putina.

00:04Dmitry Głuchowski, autor Sagi Metro 2033, gdzie opisał świat po wojnie jądrowej,

00:10rozmawiał z Euronews podczas międzylądowania na lotnisku Chopina w Warszawie.

00:14Zapytaliśmy go, czy scenariusz wojny atomowej Rosji Zachodem może zjiścić się w rzeczywistości.

00:30Niech to lose scenariusz, a potem niech to push the button.

00:34Nic niej nic nie jest to niebezpieczna nuclear war,

00:38ale nuclear war blackmailing remains a bardzo important,

00:43although right now trivial, instrument of the Russian foreign diplomacy and foreign policy.

00:50And every time that Putin thinks that his positions get slightly worse,

00:56he begins to threaten a nuclear war or test some new nuclear missiles,

01:01and this is what he just did.

01:03You know, like, after Alaska, he might have had illusions

01:06that he managed to somehow convince, hypnotize Trump

01:11and recruit him, you know, to divert him from the support of Ukraine.

01:19And then the recent statements by Trump, including the introduction of the new sanctions,

01:23are actually proving that it was not a success.

01:27So he's resorting to his usual thing, the nuclear war blackmailing.

01:32This does not mean at all that he might ever use it, right?

01:34It's just the instrument of pressure on both the American side

01:38and most of all on the European side.

01:41But, you know, how many times can you claim

01:44that you're going to push the button without pushing it?

01:46I think that the sensitivity of both Europeans and Americans

01:51to these tasks of a nuclear power are going down,

01:55and this is what we see.

01:57I still do not think that Vladimir Putin will use a nuclear weapon

02:02during this war, unless he perceives the situation

02:05as existential threat to him personally,

02:08to his power and to his physical existence.

02:10The purpose of this war is to eliminate Ukraine as an independent country

02:20and turn it into a fully controllable satellite of Russia.

02:23It can be like invaded and controlled,

02:25or it can, because of some kind of inner political change,

02:30become just fully controllable by Russia

02:32and stop being a competing civilizational project

02:35to what Vladimir Putin is building in Russia.

02:38This entire situation stems from the fact that Ukraine has repeatedly,

02:43the Ukrainian people have repeatedly overthrown, usurping rulers,

02:50and the ghost or spirit or the threat of a revolution

02:57is the only thing that actually is considered as a real menace

03:01to Vladimir Putin's rule.

03:03A peace right now does not help him to achieve it,

03:06because it just freezes the situation.

03:07So meanwhile, he thinks that he's dragging with the negotiations.

03:11And meanwhile, his troops are advancing.

03:13So he thinks that he's winning time.

03:15He believes, maybe because of being disinformed,

03:18living in this bubble created by the intelligence services,

03:21that he is actually winning this war,

03:24even if the economy is not going as well as he expected,

03:27and with the new sanctions, it will go even worse.

03:30But still, he thinks strategically,

03:33he thinks that he has a decade ahead of him, maybe more.

03:35Western leaderships will change because of elections.

03:38Public will grow tired because of paying for this war.

03:40He thinks that he has a lot of time.

03:42Zapytaliśmy też, jak Rosjanie podchodzą do rosnących strat,

03:46masowego poboru do wojska i coraz gorszych warunków życia.

03:48Since the big draft of September 2022,

03:53where more than 300,000 people have been drafted,

03:57and most of them, if alive, they're still fighting, right?

04:02Since then, they have generally largely changed that

04:07by paying the mercenaries.

04:08So, Russians are being paid 2,000 to 3,000 euros,

04:14depending on which region they're coming from,

04:17with the original supplement, da-da-da,

04:18for a month of fighting, right?

04:21And they're getting paid the tenfold for signing the contract.

04:27And it definitely pays off the risks of getting killed

04:30because it's more, actually, than an average Russian man,

04:34especially in his 30s and 40s,

04:37would have ever been able to earn otherwise in a peaceful life.

04:40So, I think that it will be balancing,

04:42depending on the economy situation,

04:44because next year, half the Russian budget

04:45is going to be directed to the national security things.

04:48So, both special services and the army

04:50will eat up half of the Russian state budget next year,

04:54which is unimaginable,

04:56and it has not been like that since the Soviet time,

04:58and maybe even then.

04:58We know that a lot of expenses of the Russian state budget

05:02are getting cut.

05:03The less money they will have

05:06to actually buy people into going to the army,

05:09kill and get killed,

05:11the more they will have to go through fear and compulsion,

05:16and that potentially will cause some unrest.

05:20But they know about it,

05:21so they're preparing both repressive measures,

05:24and as much and as long as they can,

05:26they try to bribe people into selling their soul.

05:29Czy reżim Putina lepiej traktuje etnicznych Rosjan,

05:32niż mniejszości?

05:32I don't believe personally that it had to do

05:36with the ethnic discrimination.

05:39It just had to do with the fact

05:40that some of these ethnically populated,

05:43like Buryat, Buryatia, regions,

05:45are just massively poorer,

05:48and so the offer to go to the army

05:51is much more attractive to them,

05:52because the money is just unimaginable.

05:54I think that overall,

05:57speaking in terms of whether that provokes

05:59a tension between Moscow and the regions,

06:03what we have seen is quite the contrary.

06:06Because of these payments

06:08that have not been preceded in Russian history

06:12and unparalleled,

06:13a lot of regions were springing back to life.

06:17and also a lot of the military industry factories

06:22that have been neglected

06:24during the past Soviet years

06:26and suffered from conversion

06:29and suffered from employment.

06:30Right now they are remanned, restaffed,

06:33and they're getting a lot of money

06:34from the state budget.

06:36Basically, I would say that all the surplus

06:38that would be before just wasted

06:42or spent on the yachts in the French Riviera,

06:46right now, like it's being taken

06:48and sent to finance the war and the army.

06:52And this money is lending

06:53in the poor and industrial regions.

06:57It's lending with the families

06:59who have sacrificed their fathers

07:03and sons and brothers.

07:05But the money is there.

07:07So at the moment,

07:08it looks like it has rebalanced in a way, right?

07:11So there is no massive popular unrest

07:14because of the war,

07:14because people have been bought and paid for.

07:18Now, the thing is that money,

07:21the nature of money is that

07:22it ends up ending, you know?

07:28And this is what happens to the money.

07:31It's getting spent,

07:33and people never return.

07:34and definitely in the longer term,

07:38there's going to be like very severe implications

07:40of luring people to death

07:43and tempting them with money

07:45and it's really satanic kind of like deal

07:48offered that they are not resist,

07:51able to resist because of their poverty.

07:53People who will return from this war,

07:55and it's going to be like millions of them

07:57probably overall, right?

07:59Some of them maimed physically

08:00and some of them maimed psychologically.

08:02They will be present in the Russian cities.

08:06These people will know how to murder,

08:08and these people will know how to burn,

08:10and these people will know how to rape.

08:12It was that hallucinating case

08:14when a former businessman

08:15came back from the front line

08:18and he found a St. Petersburg architect

08:20who owed him money

08:21and he killed him.

08:23But in the 90s,

08:25this hard killing would be just shoot and run.

08:28Like he came out of the elevator

08:30next to the flat of this architect

08:33he was killing.

08:35The architect was with his little daughter.

08:38He put both of them on their knees

08:40and he shot him in the back of his head

08:43in front of his daughter

08:44who was on his knees.

08:45So that the war crime execution style

08:47and that's just a random businessman

08:49who learned new things

08:50on the front line.

08:53Completely unimaginable atrocity

08:56just a few years ago in Russia.

09:00And these people will come back

09:01in hundreds of thousands, right?

09:03So this is posing a tremendous risk

09:06not just to Putin's rule,

09:08but to the future of the country.

09:10Wołodymyr Zeleński stwierdził niedawno,

09:12że szykuje się na kolejne 2-3 lata walk.

09:14A kiedy i w jaki sposób,

09:16zdaniem Głuchowskiego,

09:17skończy się wojna?

09:18When the war started,

09:20I thought and I was saying

09:21that it was a last like four decades.

09:23So the basic calculation is that

09:26Vladimir Putin cannot really stop this war.

09:29Stopping this war without wanted results

09:31means that he lost.

09:33In this case, like immediately,

09:35all the support that he has had

09:36as a strong dictator turns against him.

09:39We have seen that happening

09:40two and a half years ago

09:41when the troops of

09:43Yevgeny Prigozhin, Wagner,

09:45turned against Putin

09:46and were marching in Moscow.

09:49And Putin did not have

09:50an immediate response to that

09:51and he hid.

09:53And immediately, the next day,

09:54everybody was speaking

09:55about the fact that

09:56he's not a real emperor,

09:57he's not a real czar, you know.

09:58Like you either project the fear

10:01on everybody all the time,

10:02but as soon as you show weakness,

10:04it all turns against you.

10:06Like, so there is no,

10:08basically the best option for him

10:09is to win the war.

10:11The second best option

10:11is to continue this war forever

10:13because when this war goes forever,

10:15there's an ongoing state of emergency,

10:17you can do whatever.

10:18So he might say he's happy

10:20with taking the entire Donbass,

10:23but that would require Zelensky

10:25to retreat from Donbass,

10:26that would weaken Zelensky's positions

10:28inside the country,

10:30and that will ultimately

10:31increase Putin's stake in Ukraine.

10:35So a few years will go by,

10:37just as it happened with Crimea,

10:39and then Donbass

10:40and then this incursion.

10:42Russia will rearm,

10:44Russia will regroup,

10:45and Russia will strike again

10:46because it cannot afford

10:48existence of a competing project

10:50with a democracy pro-Western

10:51populated with the same kind of people

10:54next to it, borders.

10:55It's the existence

10:56of independent Ukraine

10:57in the personal life

10:59of every Russian

11:00that actually is challenging Putin

11:02more than anything else.

11:03All the other elements,

11:04he has completely under his control.

11:06This is a very unsettling

11:07and very challenging thing.

11:09So it has to be dealt with.

11:11And that's the main reason

11:12for this war.

11:13It's the threat

11:15to the personal power

11:16of the autocrat.

11:17Now, as long as he's in power,

11:19this war continues.

11:20The next generation

11:21will be able to fully reset it

11:23because it's not about

11:24Russian national security,

11:25it's about the security

11:26of the power

11:27of this person.

11:28As soon as he's gone,

11:30for natural or unnatural reasons,

11:32everything changes.

11:33Everything changes.

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