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Has your feed been invaded — by China, America, or any other foreign power? How can you tell?
Open-source intelligence analyst Giano Libot explains how foreigners shape and influence public opinion in the Philippines. He discusses how a recent statement by AFP Chief Romeo Brawner was taken out of context and went viral, showing how narratives can be twisted and amplified online.
This is the third and final episode in Howie Severino’s special series on Foreign Information Manipulation and Interference (FIMI).
Libot and Severino unpack how local influencers and bot networks can spread propaganda that originates from foreign state media. Together, they explore how this kind of online meddling undermines trust, distorts public debate, and threatens our democracy.
Don’t miss the full conversation—and stay tuned for a special upcoming episode on heritage conservation!
Open-source intelligence analyst Giano Libot explains how foreigners shape and influence public opinion in the Philippines. He discusses how a recent statement by AFP Chief Romeo Brawner was taken out of context and went viral, showing how narratives can be twisted and amplified online.
This is the third and final episode in Howie Severino’s special series on Foreign Information Manipulation and Interference (FIMI).
Libot and Severino unpack how local influencers and bot networks can spread propaganda that originates from foreign state media. Together, they explore how this kind of online meddling undermines trust, distorts public debate, and threatens our democracy.
Don’t miss the full conversation—and stay tuned for a special upcoming episode on heritage conservation!
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00:00Hello, Podmates. My name is Howie Severino, and welcome to the third and final installment of our podcast series, Online Invasion, The Secret Battle for Hearts, Minds, and Headlines.
00:11This time, we'll be taking up how the Philippines is affected by China's influence operations.
00:17Our guest today is Guiano Libot, who's been working for years as an open-source intelligence analyst.
00:35Welcome to our podcast, Guiano.
00:37Hi, sir. How are you?
00:38Thank you for joining us.
00:39So, halo-halo yung players yun sa online space.
00:43You know, they're the good guys, but they're also the bad guys.
00:45There are people who are not well-intentioned. May maraming agenda dyan.
00:50At yan ang isang pinag-aaralan mo.
00:53Yung paano ba tayo, paano ba nang bubudol ng Pilipinos sa online space, especially politically.
01:04So, tell us about this work.
01:06Sure. I think when we look at foreign sources or foreign attribution,
01:11the thing is, for example, like an actor like China,
01:16we have to first understand, I guess, for audiences,
01:20na propaganda is not a bad thing for them.
01:22I guess if you grow up under the Philippines or any other democracy,
01:27we have such a bad, parang, instinctual distaste for the word of propaganda.
01:32But for the Chinese and the Chinese state,
01:35propaganda is actually part of the sort of accepted arsenals of the state
01:40to forward its interest and agenda.
01:43So, that starts from there.
01:45It means na they're always in the lookout to be able to advance their interest.
01:50And actually, like what you said, it's their job to do it.
01:53The problem these days is that it's evolving those techniques
01:57and blurring the line between, for example,
01:59a material that's labeled as state-managed or state-run,
02:06and then you have the next sort of tier,
02:08and that's where the sort of penetration comes in,
02:12is when those messages get absorbed by what we call as local actors.
02:19Kasi maybe you'll be resistant to,
02:22ah, that's coming from the Chinese state.
02:23I won't really agree with it.
02:25But if it's coming from a local radio commentator,
02:29you're more likely to trust it because you know that person,
02:32proximity, familiarity with language.
02:35And I think that's where the lines really get blurred these days,
02:38when you have local actors parroting and mimicking official state lines.
02:45Okay.
02:45So, part of your argument nga is China is,
02:53of course, we have issues with China.
02:56Diba?
02:56Sa West Philippine Sea,
02:58and then supposedly,
03:00they've been meddling in our politics.
03:03The US, of course,
03:04is famous for supporting pro-US regimes around the world, etc.
03:10Pero kayo, nagfocus kayo on China,
03:14because,
03:15bakit nga?
03:16Why are you focusing on China?
03:17I think that it's much ado with volume,
03:20rather than anything.
03:22For me, I study all systems of propaganda,
03:25as far as the KGB techniques and the CCP techniques,
03:30and also the CIA techniques,
03:31like the famous ones,
03:33like the ones that recently,
03:36actually, Reuters investigated and revealed the whole Sinovac one.
03:41But at the same time,
03:42it's about recognizing,
03:44okay, granted that everybody does it,
03:47where is the biggest effort and push so far?
03:50And unfortunately,
03:51I guess for those who don't want to hear it,
03:54a large part of the effort really comes from the Chinese state right now,
03:57especially on matters like the West Philippine Sea,
04:00and to some extent,
04:02as I guess by proxy,
04:04some of the local actors
04:06that sort of converge within their sphere of interest.
04:11So, nagfocus kayo sa China,
04:13because sila yung may pinaka maraming.
04:18Yeah.
04:19efforts
04:20to influence public opinion in the Philippines.
04:27That's not necessarily bad.
04:29Yeah.
04:30That means we're important to them.
04:33Diba?
04:33Yeah.
04:34So, but you're saying,
04:36are you saying they've crossed the line?
04:39The ethical lines?
04:40Because you're concerned with ethical behavior online, no?
04:45So, I think for me,
04:47the people that are accountable isn't the CCP.
04:52It's actually our very…
04:54The Chinese Communist Party.
04:55Yeah.
04:56It's not them.
04:57It's actually our own local citizens
04:59who pander towards this,
05:02to grift, I guess,
05:03that's the usual term right now,
05:05to undermine our own sort of like sovereign interests
05:10in the country,
05:11to manipulate political conversations.
05:14And I think that's sort of like the biggest concern.
05:18It's not so much that,
05:20like I personally have a disagreement
05:21with the CCP as a researcher.
05:23I don't actually like Chinese history,
05:25and I have a bit of admiration
05:29for the way governance is structured there
05:32to some extent.
05:32But it's about local actors
05:35not being held accountable
05:36with the actions that they're done
05:38in sort of,
05:40I guess, being complicit
05:41in the penetration of those manipulations.
05:45Okay.
05:45Malaking salitayan, complicit, no?
05:48Kasi,
05:50kumbaga,
05:51kasabwat.
05:51Yeah.
05:52Diba?
05:53Paano mo naman masasabing kasabwat?
05:56I mean,
05:58ang laki ng influence ng China sa Pilipinas,
06:00and it goes way beyond,
06:03even much earlier than Spanish influence.
06:06Diba?
06:08So,
06:09bakit sinasabi ng complicit?
06:10I mean,
06:11it's such a kind of a,
06:13it's a very charged word.
06:16I think the complicity is,
06:18it's not like a legal liability or anything.
06:21It's more of the techniques
06:23and the methods that they use
06:25to mislead their audiences.
06:28And,
06:30you know,
06:30the data supports it.
06:32There's been values
06:33for years wherein
06:34many platforms have shown
06:36that they've taken down
06:37networks
06:38of propaganda accounts
06:40that violate their own
06:42community standards.
06:44So,
06:44even to that extent,
06:45they're already sort of
06:45liable,
06:46like,
06:47all platforms,
06:48X,
06:48YouTube,
06:50Google,
06:51even Facebook.
06:52They've deactivated accounts.
06:53Yeah.
06:54What kind of accounts?
06:55These are accounts
06:56that have shown
06:56to sort of coordinate
06:58inauthentically.
07:00So,
07:00meaning they use
07:01fake accounts.
07:02Inauthentic?
07:02Yeah.
07:03So,
07:03are these bots?
07:04Are these,
07:04okay.
07:05Some of them are bots,
07:06some of them are run
07:07by real individuals.
07:08But the way,
07:08kasi,
07:09like,
07:10from an OSINT point of view,
07:11the way we look at
07:12the inauthenticity is
07:14not just that
07:16it's a fake account,
07:17but it's displaying
07:18sort of inauthentic behavior.
07:19A lot of the
07:20practice online,
07:23I guess a lot of it
07:24is really supposed
07:24to be in good faith.
07:26But when you exploit
07:26the platform,
07:27for example,
07:28you have an agenda
07:29and then you have
07:3020 accounts
07:31that fabricate
07:33comments
07:35to sort of
07:35create
07:36artificial momentum
07:37on a specific
07:39post,
07:40that becomes
07:41a violation
07:42for the platform
07:43itself.
07:45And sort of,
07:45I recognize that
07:46as manipulation too.
07:49Okay.
07:49So,
07:50malinaw naman
07:51na,
07:51mali yung
07:53inauthentic
07:54behavior,
07:57meaning
07:58mga bots,
07:59mga accounts
08:00na
08:01hindi naman
08:03tunay na tao,
08:05di ba?
08:05Okay.
08:06Kasi,
08:06ano yan eh,
08:07misrepresentation,
08:09di ba?
08:09There's a real
08:10falsehood there.
08:12Pero,
08:12ang sinasabi mo rin,
08:13may mga
08:14totoong tao
08:15who
08:17echo
08:18or amplify
08:18messages
08:21that
08:23the Chinese
08:24government,
08:25Chinese,
08:26official
08:26Chinese
08:27channels
08:29are
08:29broadcasting
08:31or communicating.
08:32But again,
08:33I wanna
08:33go back
08:35to my
08:36earlier question.
08:37So,
08:37what's wrong
08:38with that?
08:39Kasi,
08:39there are
08:40real people
08:42who are
08:43analysts like
08:44you,
08:44who are
08:47saying
08:48the Philippines
08:50would be
08:50better off
08:51if we're
08:51friendlier
08:52with China.
08:53People with,
08:54you know,
08:54people who
08:55have real
08:56identities,
08:57people who
08:57have credentials,
08:59are you saying
09:00that some of
09:00these people
09:01are also
09:01complicit?
09:02I think
09:03if you
09:04analyze
09:04the way
09:05they set
09:06that kind
09:07of
09:07outcome
09:08in their
09:09conversation,
09:09that's where
09:10you have
09:10problems.
09:11It's not so
09:11much that
09:11they hold
09:12positions like
09:13that,
09:13because,
09:14for example,
09:14on the whole
09:15issue on
09:16the West
09:16Philippine Sea
09:17and our
09:17neutrality
09:18to China,
09:20if you
09:20ask,
09:21you know,
09:22the defense
09:22sector and
09:23even the
09:23government,
09:24we do have
09:25that position.
09:26We haven't
09:26eradicated our
09:28commercial
09:28relationship with
09:30the Chinese
09:30state.
09:31We do trade
09:32with them.
09:33We explore
09:34ways to be
09:35able to work
09:35with them.
09:36But if,
09:36for example,
09:37a water cannon
09:38incident happens,
09:39you can't
09:39have somebody
09:41from the
09:41Philippines say
09:42it's not that
09:43bad or
09:44it didn't
09:45happen.
09:45It didn't
09:45happen.
09:46And I think
09:46that's where
09:47the problem
09:48really comes
09:48from.
09:49It's not so
09:49much that
09:50they lie
09:51all the time.
09:52And I think
09:52this is where
09:53I have to
09:54tell people
09:55the real
09:56persuasion
09:57isn't that
09:57they lie.
09:58They do
09:58tell the
09:59truth,
09:59often than
10:00not.
10:00But in
10:00between
10:01that,
10:01they will
10:02try to
10:02insert
10:03lies in
10:04between
10:04to establish
10:05their own
10:06credibility
10:06and integrity.
10:07But we
10:08have no
10:08means to
10:09be able
10:09to call
10:10them out
10:10because we
10:10don't even
10:11know
10:11whether
10:11who's
10:12funding
10:12them,
10:13whose
10:13position
10:13they're
10:14after.
10:14They call
10:15themselves
10:15independent.
10:17But there's
10:18no
10:18open
10:19source
10:20way
10:20to
10:20determine
10:22that.
10:22For
10:22example,
10:22at least
10:23with you,
10:24I know
10:24that you
10:24represent
10:25a network.
10:26I know
10:26you represent
10:27specific
10:30interest.
10:30With them,
10:31you don't really
10:31know because
10:32they're not
10:32open about
10:33that.
10:34transparency.
10:36Because
10:36for example,
10:37there are
10:38news sites
10:39right now.
10:40There are
10:40a lot.
10:43There are
10:44a lot of
10:44followers
10:45or readers.
10:47And when
10:48you hear
10:49about
10:49that
10:51site,
10:51it's like
10:51it's not
10:52possible
10:52who's
10:53behind it.
10:54Let's talk
10:55about a
10:55specific
10:55recent
10:56incident.
10:57This is
10:58AFP
11:00Chief
11:00General
11:01Browner.
11:02was
11:04quoted
11:05as
11:06saying
11:07that
11:08the
11:09U.S.
11:09has
11:10supplied
11:11us with
11:12a new
11:12missile
11:13system
11:14in
11:14Typhon.
11:16Which is
11:17like
11:17most
11:19missile
11:19systems
11:20can
11:20send
11:22missiles
11:22far away.
11:24As far
11:24as China.
11:25Right?
11:26The reaction
11:27is the best.
11:28I know
11:29you wrote
11:30about this.
11:30There was
11:33saying
11:33that
11:34war
11:35mongering
11:35General
11:36Browner.
11:38But he
11:39did say
11:39that.
11:40It
11:41wasn't a
11:43false
11:44accusation.
11:46And
11:46China is
11:48a real
11:49adversary.
11:50right?
11:52So
11:53when
11:53there's
11:54saying
11:54it sounds
11:57provocative
11:57on the
11:58part of
11:59General
12:00Browner
12:00why
12:03should we
12:03disagree
12:03with that?
12:05Because
12:06it could be
12:08provocative.
12:08He didn't
12:09have to
12:09say that.
12:10I think
12:11it also
12:11has to
12:12do
12:12with
12:12context.
12:13I did
12:14a
12:14background
12:15and
12:16research
12:16on the
12:16whole
12:17news
12:17item.
12:17The
12:18publication
12:19itself
12:19that
12:19chose
12:20to
12:20pick
12:20the
12:20headline
12:21is
12:21Daily
12:21Tribune.
12:23But the
12:23real
12:23interview
12:23came
12:24from
12:24a
12:24radio
12:25program.
12:25I forgot
12:25which
12:26radio
12:26program
12:27already.
12:28And in
12:29that
12:29radio
12:29program,
12:29if you
12:30look at
12:30the
12:30whole
12:30conversation
12:32that
12:32General
12:32Browner
12:33had
12:33with
12:34the
12:34host,
12:35it
12:35wasn't
12:36to provoke
12:37China
12:38or any
12:39actor.
12:39It was
12:39really
12:39just
12:40a
12:40very
12:40typical
12:41explanation
12:42of what
12:42are
12:42existing
12:43...
12:43technical.
12:44A new
12:45range.
12:45very
12:46technical
12:47discussion
12:47of what
12:47our
12:47existing
12:48defense
12:48systems
12:49are.
12:49There
12:49was
12:49no
12:50hint
12:51on him
12:51that he
12:51was
12:52trying
12:52to
12:52brag.
12:53The
12:53problem
12:53is a
12:54lot of
12:54the
12:54reactions
12:55online
12:55focused
12:56on
12:56the
12:57headline
12:57and
12:58eliminated
12:59all
12:59the
13:00technical
13:01discussions
13:01that were
13:02within
13:02the
13:03article
13:03itself.
13:04So to
13:04be
13:04fair
13:04to
13:04Tribune,
13:05I
13:05think
13:05they
13:05tried
13:05to
13:06insert
13:06the
13:07meat
13:08of
13:08the
13:08conversation
13:08but that
13:09was
13:09completely
13:10ignored
13:10by a
13:10lot
13:10of
13:10the
13:11online
13:12reaction
13:12that
13:12was
13:13in
13:14many
13:14ways
13:14artificially
13:15amplified.
13:16The
13:17second
13:17thing
13:17is
13:17and
13:18this
13:18is
13:18also
13:19another
13:19signal
13:19I
13:19felt
13:20they
13:20just
13:21completely
13:21focused
13:21on
13:21the
13:22headline
13:22they
13:22never
13:23acknowledged
13:23that
13:23there
13:24was
13:24another
13:25actor
13:25in
13:26the
13:26article
13:27too
13:27and
13:27even
13:27in
13:27the
13:28interview
13:29Defense
13:30Secretary
13:31Teodoro
13:31also
13:32explained
13:32his
13:33perspective
13:34regarding
13:35how
13:35our
13:36position
13:36is
13:36legal
13:37it's
13:37well
13:38within
13:38our
13:38rights
13:39that
13:39was
13:39completely
13:40disregarded
13:40and
13:41you
13:41see
13:41all
13:42the
13:42hot
13:42takes
13:42from
13:43influencers
13:44even
13:44from
13:45Congressman
13:47Polong
13:48Duterte
13:48who
13:49focused
13:49on
13:49this
13:49whole
13:50single
13:50bite-sized
13:52headline
13:53and
13:53harped
13:54on it
13:54as
13:54we're
13:56gearing
13:56towards
13:57war
13:57or
13:57like
13:57why
13:57are
13:58we
13:58provoking
13:59China
13:59okay
14:00so
14:00you
14:00mentioned
14:00Congressman
14:01Polong
14:02Duterte
14:02one of
14:04the
14:04sons
14:04of
14:04former
14:05President
14:05Rodrigo
14:06Duterte
14:06and
14:08we
14:08know
14:09that
14:09former
14:11President
14:11Duterte
14:11was
14:12avidly
14:14pro-China
14:15and
14:15anti-US
14:16anything
14:20wrong
14:21with that
14:21I mean
14:22so
14:22congressman
14:24Polong
14:24is
14:24like
14:25father
14:25like
14:25son
14:26so
14:26he
14:27found
14:27that
14:27provocative
14:28and
14:29he
14:29thought
14:30that
14:30that
14:32kind
14:32of
14:33talk
14:34brings
14:35us
14:35closer
14:35to war
14:36with
14:36China
14:37which
14:37we
14:37will
14:37never
14:37win
14:38do
14:40you
14:40think
14:41that
14:41was
14:41complicit
14:42with
14:42China
14:43what
14:43take
14:45you
14:45I
14:47mean
14:48pro-China
14:48some
14:49politicians
14:49are
14:50pro-America
14:50some
14:51politicians
14:52want to
14:52be
14:52neutral
14:53or
14:53pro-Japan
14:54or
14:54pro-EU
14:54they
14:55happen
14:55to be
14:56pro-China
14:56so
14:56a lot
14:58of
14:58Filipinos
14:58are
14:58pro-China
14:59what's
15:01wrong
15:01with
15:01that
15:01I
15:02think
15:02the
15:02first
15:02one
15:03is
15:03to
15:03recognize
15:03that
15:04they
15:04haven't
15:04really
15:04admitted
15:05that
15:05they
15:05are
15:05pro-China
15:09they
15:09always
15:09make
15:10the
15:10position
15:10that
15:10they're
15:11pro-Philippines
15:12and
15:12for me
15:12I
15:13grant
15:15them
15:15that
15:15that's
15:15their
15:15position
15:16that's
15:16their
15:17explanation
15:17the
15:18problem
15:18I
15:18think
15:19with
15:19the
15:19entire
15:19statement
15:20of
15:20former
15:21President
15:22Duterte
15:22was
15:23right
15:24okay
15:26but
15:28at the
15:28same
15:28time
15:29it's
15:29not
15:30the
15:30statement
15:30itself
15:30is
15:31wrong
15:31it's
15:31the
15:31or
15:32the
15:32position
15:33itself
15:33is
15:33wrong
15:33it's
15:34the
15:34fact
15:34that
15:34it
15:34completely
15:35eliminated
15:36out
15:36all
15:37the
15:37necessary
15:38nuance
15:38from
15:38that
15:39conversation
15:40and
15:40really
15:40just
15:41captured
15:42and
15:42distilled
15:43what was
15:43really
15:44not
15:44the
15:45intention
15:45of
15:45the
15:46statement
15:47from
15:49a
15:49disinformation
15:49perspective
15:51the
15:52comment
15:52may not
15:53necessarily
15:53be
15:53disinformative
15:54unless
15:56Polong
15:57himself
15:57deployed
15:57like
15:58bots
15:58but
15:59the
15:59problem
16:00is it
16:00lends
16:01credence
16:01to
16:02the
16:02other
16:02actors
16:03who
16:03did
16:04use
16:05and
16:05amplify
16:06that
16:07position
16:08artificially
16:09and you
16:10see that
16:10in a lot
16:11of
16:11spoof
16:11news
16:13websites
16:13right now
16:14where
16:14there's no
16:15article
16:16headline
16:17image
16:17and they
16:18just
16:18spread it
16:19and you
16:19just have
16:20commentary
16:21from the
16:22influencer
16:23okay
16:24speaking of
16:26Dutertes
16:26again
16:27you
16:28co-wrote
16:29with
16:30journalist
16:30Regine
16:31Cabato
16:31a
16:32report
16:35or an
16:36analysis
16:36in the
16:37Philippine
16:38Center for
16:39Investigative
16:39Journalism
16:40website
16:42and
16:43for
16:44disclosure
16:45and
16:45transparency
16:45I'm on
16:46the board
16:46of the
16:47PCIJ
16:47although I
16:49didn't have
16:49anything to do
16:50with that
16:50article
16:50right
16:50okay
16:51basically
16:54you outlined
16:55kind of
16:57five
16:58strategies
16:59of the
17:00Dutertes
17:01in using
17:02online
17:03information
17:04to
17:06fend off
17:08criticism
17:09to counter
17:10criticism
17:12of them
17:13to counter
17:15charges
17:18like legal
17:19charges
17:20you know
17:22the
17:23impeachment
17:23and
17:24issues
17:25about
17:26the
17:26Dutertes
17:27what went
17:28into
17:29those
17:29conclusions
17:30that
17:31these are
17:31strategies
17:33there
17:34were many
17:34techniques
17:35distraction
17:35deflection
17:37employing
17:39conspiracy
17:39theories
17:40theories
17:41oh my god
17:42I forgot
17:43about the
17:43top of my head
17:43but in
17:44general
17:44we started
17:44really with
17:45the data
17:45and a lot
17:47of the
17:47data
17:48mixture
17:49there were
17:50already
17:50studies
17:52before
17:52by
17:53many
17:54other
17:55newsrooms
17:56both
17:56here and
17:57abroad
17:57and also
17:58even
17:59platforms
17:59that
17:59revealed
18:00the
18:01takedown
18:01of their
18:02of these
18:03specific
18:03networks
18:03we looked
18:04at
18:04the messaging
18:05behind
18:05them
18:06the other
18:07part is
18:07of course
18:08our own
18:08earnest
18:09effort
18:10to monitor
18:10for example
18:12in the
18:13conspiracy
18:14theory
18:15that
18:15I
18:16looked
18:16at
18:16I
18:17gathered
18:18around
18:18like
18:19150
18:19plus
18:20posts
18:22so
18:22seeing
18:23the
18:23sort of
18:24copy-paste
18:25method
18:26using the
18:26same
18:26image
18:27using the
18:28same
18:28script
18:28and then
18:29tracing
18:29all the
18:30accounts
18:30all of
18:30these
18:30are done
18:31manually
18:32so we
18:32start
18:33with
18:33the
18:33data
18:33first
18:34are
18:34these
18:34authentic
18:35accounts
18:36or
18:36inauthentic
18:37accounts
18:37are
18:37like
18:38basically
18:39copy-pasting
18:40the
18:41scripts
18:42it's a
18:42mix
18:42some
18:42of
18:42them
18:43are
18:43I
18:44guess
18:44they
18:44raise
18:45red
18:45flags
18:45because
18:46at the
18:47end
18:47of the
18:47day
18:47we
18:48can't
18:48really
18:48determine
18:49I
18:49can't
18:50determine
18:50and make
18:50the
18:50judgment
18:51that
18:51it's
18:52fully
18:52inauthentic
18:53only a
18:53platform
18:53can
18:54do it
18:55because
18:55they're
18:55the
18:55ones
18:55that
18:55have
18:56the
18:56access
18:58but
18:59there
18:59are
18:59red
19:00flags
19:00to
19:00consider
19:01when
19:02it
19:02comes
19:02to
19:02authenticity
19:03and
19:03we
19:04just
19:04follow
19:04the
19:04same
19:04so
19:05my
19:05conspiracy
19:05theory
19:06what's
19:09one
19:09conspiracy
19:10theory
19:10the
19:10biggest
19:11conspiracy
19:11theory
19:11that
19:12has
19:12endured
19:12for
19:13many
19:13years
19:14right
19:14now
19:14is
19:14that
19:15the
19:15political
19:16attacks
19:16against
19:18the
19:18Duterte
19:19family
19:19isn't
19:21just
19:21from
19:21the
19:22Marcos
19:22it's
19:23really
19:23coming
19:23from
19:24the
19:24United
19:24States
19:24via
19:26the
19:26CIA
19:27that's
19:27sort
19:27of
19:28like
19:28their
19:28broad
19:29stroke
19:29approach
19:30that
19:30everything
19:31that
19:31the
19:32Dutertes
19:33are
19:33experiencing
19:33right
19:34now
19:34comes
19:35from
19:35the
19:36US
19:36effort
19:37either
19:37jailing
19:38to
19:38the
19:38ICC
19:38down
19:39to
19:39the
19:40attacks
19:41on
19:41the
19:42impeachment
19:42and
19:43what
19:43is
19:43what
19:44motivated
19:45America
19:45to do
19:47this
19:48part of
19:48which
19:48is
19:49recognizing
19:49that
19:50the
19:50former
19:50president
19:51wasn't
19:51very
19:52keen
19:52on
19:53making
19:55US
19:55alliances
19:55although
19:57again
19:57that
19:57sort
19:58of
19:58betrays
19:58the
19:59tail end
19:59part
19:59of his
20:00presidency
20:00because
20:01he did
20:01sign
20:02the
20:02visiting
20:03forces
20:04agreement
20:04before
20:05that
20:05was
20:05over
20:06and
20:06he
20:06did
20:06shift
20:06back
20:07to
20:07doing
20:10arms
20:11trade
20:11with
20:11the
20:12US
20:12again
20:12so
20:13that's
20:13one
20:14the
20:15other
20:15thing
20:15is
20:15of
20:16course
20:16recognizing
20:17that
20:18there's
20:18linkages
20:19with
20:21the
20:22family
20:23and
20:26yeah
20:26in
20:26general
20:26that's
20:27sort
20:27of
20:27like
20:27the
20:28aspect
20:30that
20:30I'm
20:31looking
20:31at
20:31and
20:32so
20:33they're
20:33employing
20:34all of
20:34these
20:34strategies
20:35so
20:35they're
20:35deflecting
20:36distracting
20:37they're
20:37appealing
20:38to
20:38victimization
20:39victimcy
20:41nakikita
20:41naman
20:42natin
20:42yan
20:42kawawa
20:43naman
20:44si
20:44digong
20:44nangangayayat
20:46na
20:46etc
20:46and
20:48then
20:48yung
20:48conspiracy
20:49theories
20:49effective
20:51ba
20:51to
20:51maraming
20:52naniniwala
20:54how can
20:55you tell
20:56again
20:58I'm asking
20:59about
20:59outcomes
21:00okay
21:00I mean
21:00granted
21:02some of
21:02these
21:02might be
21:03crossing
21:04the
21:04ethical
21:04line
21:05okay
21:05that's
21:05subject
21:07to your
21:07judgment
21:08as well
21:08but
21:08I guess
21:10yung
21:12impact
21:13could be
21:14more
21:14empirical
21:15right
21:15effective
21:17ba
21:18itong
21:19mga
21:19strategies
21:20na yan
21:20I think
21:20to some
21:21extent
21:21they are
21:22because
21:22for example
21:23like the
21:23whole
21:24conspiracy
21:24against
21:25the
21:25US
21:26maneuvering
21:27and puppeteering
21:28a large
21:29part of
21:30that
21:30persuasion
21:32comes from
21:33legitimate
21:33grievances
21:34that we've
21:35had
21:35so for
21:35example
21:36in the
21:36Philippines
21:36we've
21:37always had
21:37some level
21:38of experience
21:39on the
21:39US meddling
21:40or allegedly
21:41meddling
21:41in our
21:42affairs
21:43as far
21:43back
21:43as
21:44our
21:44history
21:45with
21:45America
21:46even
21:46during
21:47the
21:48American
21:48war
21:49they deployed
21:50the
21:50myth
21:50of
21:51the
21:51aswang
21:51and
21:52everything
21:52so
21:53a large
21:54part of
21:54it
21:54really
21:54responds
21:55to
21:56persuasiveness
21:57in
21:58society
21:58so it's
21:59easy for
22:00I guess
22:00for people
22:01who already
22:01predisposed
22:02to believe
22:02it
22:02to say
22:02yes
22:03that's
22:03correct
22:04that's
22:04an
22:04opponent
22:05we've
22:05had
22:05before
22:06why
22:07can't
22:07they
22:07do
22:08this
22:08now
22:08the
22:10other
22:10thing
22:10with
22:10the
22:11effectiveness
22:11is
22:12it's
22:13not
22:13so
22:13much
22:13that
22:14people
22:14are
22:15converted
22:16by
22:17it
22:17it's
22:17the
22:17technique
22:19that
22:19they
22:19deploy
22:20and
22:20the
22:20lack
22:21of
22:21integrity
22:22in
22:22the
22:22way
22:22they
22:23deploy
22:23it
22:23so
22:23a
22:24very
22:24good
22:24example
22:25for
22:25me
22:25is
22:25what
22:26we
22:26call
22:26astroturfing
22:27it's
22:28when
22:29within
22:30a
22:30comment
22:30section
22:31of
22:31an
22:31article
22:32you
22:32have
22:33a
22:33bunch
22:33of
22:34sock
22:35puppets
22:36or
22:37bots
22:37that
22:38crowd
22:38the
22:39comment
22:40section
22:40and
22:41artificially
22:41create
22:42some
22:43kind
22:43of
22:44narrative
22:44and
22:45the
22:45way
22:45I
22:45would
22:45make
22:45people
22:46imagine
22:46it
22:46is
22:46if
22:47we
22:47were
22:47in
22:47a
22:47room
22:47right
22:48now
22:48and
22:49we
22:49didn't
22:49have
22:50complete
22:51information
22:51about
22:52fire
22:53happening
22:53but
22:54you
22:54have
22:5450
22:55people
22:55versus
22:57100
22:57in
22:57a
22:58group
22:58of
22:58100
22:58people
22:59claiming
22:59that
23:00there's
23:00fire
23:00you're
23:01more likely
23:01to
23:01believe
23:02even
23:02if
23:02you
23:02don't
23:02see
23:02the
23:03fire
23:03you
23:04are
23:04likely
23:04to
23:05believe
23:07that
23:07there's
23:08fire
23:08even
23:08if
23:09it
23:09was
23:09artificial
23:10and
23:10not
23:10really
23:10true
23:11and
23:11that
23:11happens
23:12a lot
23:12online
23:13it's
23:13very
23:13hard
23:14to
23:14guard
23:14against
23:14it
23:15and
23:16yeah
23:16maybe
23:17to
23:17some
23:17extent
23:17we're
23:18not
23:18able
23:18to
23:18determine
23:19whether
23:20that's
23:20a
23:20good
23:21thing
23:21or
23:21not
23:22or
23:22the
23:22outcome
23:22itself
23:22is
23:23effective
23:23but
23:23the
23:24fact
23:24that
23:24they
23:24deploy
23:25it
23:25is
23:25for
23:25me
23:26already
23:26cause
23:27to
23:27concern
23:27So
23:29what you
23:30said
23:30is
23:30all of
23:31this
23:31is
23:31orchestrated
23:32to
23:33some
23:33extent
23:33and
23:35it's
23:35orchestrated
23:36by
23:36the
23:37Dutertes
23:37themselves
23:38it's
23:40hard
23:40to
23:40say
23:40so
23:41through
23:42a lot
23:43of
23:43research
23:43there
23:44hasn't
23:44really
23:45been
23:45any
23:45kind
23:46of
23:46like
23:46established
23:47trail
23:49to link
23:49back
23:49that the
23:50family
23:50itself
23:51is
23:51behind
23:51this
23:52but
23:52it's
23:53pretty
23:53much
23:54known
23:54through
23:55research
23:56that
23:56they
23:57have
23:57a
23:58group
23:58of
23:59accounts
23:59and
23:59networks
24:00that
24:00really
24:01crowd
24:02against
24:02them
24:02or
24:03crowd
24:03within
24:04them
24:04and
24:04act
24:05as
24:05a
24:05first
24:05line
24:06of
24:06defense
24:06and
24:07as
24:07a
24:07first
24:08line
24:08of
24:08offense
24:09on
24:09doing
24:10propaganda
24:11online
24:11It's
24:12interesting
24:12to me
24:13that
24:13there's
24:14no
24:15solid
24:16line
24:17leading
24:17to
24:18them
24:18considering
24:19this
24:19has been
24:20going
24:20on
24:20for
24:20almost
24:2110
24:21years
24:21or
24:22maybe
24:24more
24:24For example
24:25EJ
24:27case
24:27whatever
24:29happened
24:29in
24:30Davao
24:30whistleblowers
24:34that's
24:35why
24:35there's
24:36also
24:36the
24:36ICC
24:37now
24:37I
24:37mean
24:37there's
24:38witness
24:38there
24:38this
24:40is
24:40another
24:40completely
24:41different
24:41operation
24:42this is
24:42online
24:43of course
24:43EJ
24:43case
24:43happened
24:44in the
24:44real
24:44world
24:44considering
24:46how long
24:46this has
24:46been
24:46going
24:47on
24:47and
24:47considering
24:48how many
24:48players
24:48are
24:49involved
24:49and how
24:49much
24:50money
24:50is
24:50in
24:50why
24:50no
24:51whistleblower
24:51if
24:51it's
24:51orchestrated
24:53why
24:54nobody
24:55has
24:55come
24:55forward
24:55and
24:56said
24:56hey
24:57I'm
24:57willing
24:57to
24:57talk
24:58make
24:58me
24:58a
24:58state
24:58witness
24:59I'm
25:00going
25:00to
25:01blow
25:01the
25:01whistle
25:01I
25:02was
25:02a
25:03I'm
25:05the
25:05bad
25:05man
25:05I
25:06paid
25:06off
25:06the
25:06trolls
25:07I
25:07paid
25:08off
25:08all
25:09the
25:09operators
25:10online
25:10wouldn't
25:12that
25:14make
25:14sense
25:15it's
25:16almost
25:1610
25:16years
25:17he's
25:18no
25:18longer
25:18president
25:19he's
25:20facing
25:21a
25:22trial
25:22in
25:23the
25:24Hague
25:24and
25:25they're
25:27haters
25:28right
25:28so
25:29why
25:30isn't
25:30there
25:31the
25:31equivalent
25:32of
25:32Las Cañas
25:33or
25:33Matubato
25:34in the
25:35online
25:35space
25:36I think
25:36it would
25:37be good
25:37to have
25:37one
25:38I think
25:39there's
25:39a lack
25:40of
25:40push
25:42from
25:42institutions
25:43to explore
25:44that kind
25:44of
25:44investigation
25:45the problem
25:46is you
25:46can't
25:46really rely
25:47on small
25:47researchers
25:48like me
25:48to do
25:49that
25:49kind
25:49of
25:49tracing
25:50in
25:51fact
25:51one
25:52of
25:52the
25:52studies
25:52in
25:532022
25:53that
25:54was
25:54done
25:54by
25:54a
25:56research
25:56led
25:57by
25:57a
25:58scholar
25:58named
25:58Fatima
25:58Gaw
25:59and her
25:59group
25:59explored
26:00the
26:00political
26:01economy
26:01on
26:02influence
26:02operations
26:03they
26:03made a
26:04very
26:04modest
26:05estimate
26:05that
26:06just
26:06on
26:06the
26:06presidential
26:06and
26:07the
26:07vice
26:07presidential
26:07elections
26:08alone
26:091.5
26:10billion
26:10pesos
26:10was spent
26:11on
26:12influence
26:13operations
26:14during
26:14the
26:14elections
26:15that's
26:15like
26:15their
26:15very
26:16modest
26:16estimate
26:17and the
26:18way
26:19they
26:19did
26:19this
26:20was
26:20very
26:20hard
26:21there's
26:22no
26:22paper
26:22trail
26:23it's
26:23like what
26:23you said
26:24in the
26:24beginning
26:24it's an
26:25unregulated
26:26system
26:27there's no
26:27paper trail
26:28there's no
26:29contracts
26:29in fact
26:31some of
26:31the
26:32bombastic
26:33investigations
26:35that have
26:35happened
26:36so far
26:37it's
26:37because
26:38politicians
26:39employed
26:39a
26:39marketing
26:40firm
26:40like
26:40with
26:41the
26:41Infinitus
26:41marketing
26:42firm
26:42linking
26:43with
26:43the
26:43Chinese
26:43embassy
26:44or
26:44with
26:45Nick
26:45Gabonada
26:45before
26:46many
26:47years
26:47ago
26:47those
26:48are
26:48the
26:49only
26:49ones
26:49and
26:50I
26:50think
26:50right
26:50now
26:50if
26:51there
26:51is
26:51an
26:52institution
26:52that
26:53can
26:53support
26:53the
26:55exploration
26:56regarding
26:56this
26:57we could
26:57have
26:57a
26:58watershed
26:59moment
26:59wherein
27:00we find
27:00out
27:00who
27:01really
27:01is
27:01behind
27:02it
27:02my
27:02cynical
27:03answer
27:04is
27:04the
27:05other
27:06reason
27:06why
27:06we
27:06haven't
27:07found
27:07one
27:08yet
27:08is
27:09because
27:09everybody's
27:09complicit
27:10everybody's
27:11used
27:11most
27:12politicians
27:12have
27:13used
27:13in one
27:13way or
27:14another
27:14a
27:15troll
27:16you
27:18know
27:18inauthentic
27:19techniques
27:20and
27:20manipulation
27:21so
27:21there's
27:21no
27:22interest
27:23to
27:23reveal
27:24yourself
27:24in fact
27:25in the
27:25recent
27:25elections
27:26that was
27:27one of
27:27the
27:27few
27:27times
27:28we're
27:28in
27:28we've
27:29seen
27:29even
27:29local
27:30elections
27:31now
27:32employ
27:32troll
27:33farms
27:33and
27:34fake
27:34pages
27:34where
27:35before
27:35I think
27:36the
27:36assumption
27:37for a
27:37lot
27:37of
27:37individuals
27:38was
27:38fake
27:39news
27:39it's
27:40just
27:40going
27:40to be
27:41within
27:41the
27:41national
27:42elections
27:42but in
27:43the
27:43last
27:43one
27:43you
27:44saw
27:44even
27:44congressional
27:45candidates
27:46fight
27:46it
27:46out
27:46and have
27:47employed
27:48their
27:48own
27:48fake
27:49accounts
27:50to
27:51criticize
27:52each
27:52other
27:52obviously
27:54they're
27:54doing
27:54this
27:54because
27:55it's
27:55been
27:56effective
27:56in
27:57influencing
27:58the
27:58outcome
27:58of
27:59elections
27:59and
27:59if you're
28:00not
28:00using
28:01troll
28:02farms
28:02and
28:03disinformation
28:04you'll
28:05lose
28:06because
28:07your
28:07team
28:08will
28:08use
28:08would
28:11agree
28:11with
28:11that
28:12I
28:12think
28:12so
28:13I
28:13think
28:13it's
28:13an
28:14anecdotal
28:15litmus
28:17test
28:18of
28:18why
28:19disinformation
28:19has been
28:20effective
28:21because
28:21politicians
28:21themselves
28:22ethical
28:22ethical
28:22ethical
28:22behavior
28:23online
28:23in
28:24politics
28:25is
28:25a
28:25loser's
28:27strategy
28:27I
28:28think
28:28so
28:28right
28:29now
28:29it's
28:31unfortunate
28:31I don't
28:32really
28:32support
28:33it
28:33I
28:34don't
28:34think
28:34it's
28:35good
28:35it's
28:35a good
28:35precedent
28:36to have
28:36but
28:37a lot
28:37of the
28:38local
28:38elections
28:38we've
28:39seen
28:39so far
28:39have
28:39really
28:40gone
28:41towards
28:42that
28:43direction
28:43not
28:43saying
28:44that
28:44all
28:44politicians
28:44have
28:44done
28:45it
28:45but
28:45many
28:46especially
28:46local
28:46the
28:47recent
28:48local
28:48elections
28:48have
28:49had
28:50elements
28:51of it
28:51okay
28:52yeah
28:54I get
28:54that
28:55however
28:56looking at
28:58results
28:59in the
29:02last
29:02midterms
29:04last
29:04elections
29:04there are
29:06some
29:07who won't
29:09win
29:09you wouldn't
29:11think
29:11they'll
29:12use
29:12I mean
29:13if you
29:13look at
29:13their
29:14online
29:15presence
29:15you can
29:17verify
29:18so
29:20it's
29:22possible
29:23to win
29:23I think
29:24if you're
29:24a decent
29:25candidate
29:25I mean
29:26there are
29:26some
29:26dynasties
29:27who won't
29:27win
29:28they had
29:28all the
29:28resources
29:29and presumably
29:29they were
29:30using
29:30paying off
29:31troll farms
29:32and deploying
29:33bots
29:34and all
29:34of that
29:35but
29:35they won't
29:36win
29:36supposedly
29:38more
29:39win
29:40so
29:40it's
29:42not
29:43necessarily
29:44a loser's
29:45strategy
29:45it's
29:46probably
29:47not
29:47but
29:47it's
29:47also
29:48like
29:48just
29:49I guess
29:50a reminder
29:51that
29:51disinformation
29:52is just
29:52one of the
29:53factors
29:53that could
29:54be
29:54part of
29:55a campaign
29:56of course
29:56my
29:57fervent
29:58belief
29:58is that
29:59if you're
30:00a government
30:00or an
30:00LGU
30:01the best
30:01way to
30:02sort of
30:03inoculate
30:03your
30:04constituents
30:05against
30:07fake news
30:07is to
30:08meet their
30:09demands
30:09and their
30:10needs
30:10you know
30:11if you're
30:11a good
30:11functioning
30:12government
30:12there's
30:13very little
30:14chance
30:15where
30:15fake news
30:17can
30:17penetrate
30:18your
30:19communities
30:19because
30:20you know
30:20you have
30:21trust
30:21with your
30:22local
30:22leaders
30:23you know
30:23that
30:23they are
30:24meeting
30:25the material
30:25conditions
30:26of your
30:27constituents
30:27but in a lot
30:28in a lot
30:29of places
30:29where in
30:30it's
30:30very
30:31politicized
30:32you have
30:32a dysfunctional
30:33local
30:34government
30:34you have
30:34a dysfunctional
30:36politics
30:36that's where
30:37I guess
30:37disinformation
30:39becomes such
30:39a factor
30:40and unfortunately
30:41a lot
30:43of parts
30:44in the
30:44Philippines
30:44don't have
30:45that
30:45functioning
30:46governance
30:47I agree
30:48there are
30:48some
30:48that are
30:49good
30:49but I
30:50think
30:50the
30:51evidence
30:52now
30:52or at
30:53least
30:53the
30:53experience
30:54now
30:54shows
30:54that
30:54not a lot
30:55of local
30:55governments
30:56are like
30:56that
30:56Okay
30:57I noticed
30:58in the
30:58article
31:00of Regine
31:01and the
31:02other
31:02reports
31:03that have
31:04come out
31:04there seems
31:08to be
31:08little
31:09effort
31:09or even
31:10no effort
31:10to engage
31:11with some
31:12of the
31:12players
31:14that you
31:15refer to
31:16maybe
31:16we can
31:18call them
31:18bad actors
31:19or supposedly
31:21proxies
31:21for this
31:22and that
31:22have you
31:24ever
31:24tried to
31:25confront
31:26them
31:26or ask
31:27them
31:27about
31:28these
31:30things
31:30why
31:31they're
31:32saying
31:33this
31:33why
31:33they're
31:33amplifying
31:34the
31:36Chinese
31:36line
31:37why
31:37they're
31:38echoing
31:40repeating
31:40why
31:41they
31:41appear
31:41like
31:42proxies
31:43for
31:43why
31:44that
31:44as a
31:46journalist
31:46I
31:46sometimes
31:46I
31:47look at
31:47that
31:47did
31:48they
31:48try to
31:49get
31:49the
31:49other
31:49side
31:50yeah
31:50we've
31:51tried
31:51I
31:52think
31:52the
31:52problem
31:52is
31:53there's
31:54already
31:54a
31:54disposition
31:54from
31:55their
31:55part
31:56to
31:56reject
31:57the
31:58allegation
31:59which is
32:00granted
32:01of course
32:01they're
32:01gonna
32:01reject it
32:02but I
32:02think
32:03the
32:03other
32:03thing
32:03is
32:03that
32:03there's
32:04always
32:04an
32:05accusation
32:06that
32:06the
32:07effort
32:07to
32:07investigate
32:09and
32:10extract
32:11transparency
32:12from
32:12them
32:12is
32:13an
32:14effort
32:14to
32:14dismantle
32:15them
32:15or
32:16to
32:16act
32:17in
32:18part
32:18of
32:18a
32:18bigger
32:19authority
32:20because
32:21you're
32:21doing
32:21that
32:21you're
32:22pro-Marcos
32:22or
32:23you're
32:23from
32:24a
32:24political
32:25persuasion
32:26which
32:27to be
32:28honest
32:28to me
32:28I don't
32:30have
32:30that
32:30kind
32:30of
32:30linkage
32:31but
32:32that's
32:32their
32:33disposition
32:33they're
32:33really
32:34stuck
32:34in
32:35this
32:35whole
32:36what I
32:37consider
32:37as
32:37sort
32:38of
32:38like
32:38a
32:38basketball
32:39mentality
32:40that
32:41it's
32:41our
32:41team
32:41versus
32:42your
32:42team
32:42and
32:43there
32:44is
32:44no
32:44outcome
32:45but
32:45our
32:45team
32:46winning
32:46if
32:47your
32:47team
32:47wins
32:47that's
32:48a
32:48bad
32:48outcome
32:48natural
32:50we're
32:52very
32:52divided
32:52right
32:52now
32:53but
32:54putting
32:55myself
32:56for
32:56example
32:56in
32:57the
32:57mindset
32:57of
32:57a
32:58Duterte
32:58loyalist
32:59why
33:00is
33:01your
33:02PCIJ
33:02article
33:03only
33:03about
33:03the
33:03Dutertis
33:04are
33:04you
33:04investigating
33:05the
33:05Marcos
33:06you
33:06know
33:06the
33:06wildest
33:08clique
33:08you
33:08know
33:09that
33:09whole
33:09I
33:09mean
33:09they're
33:10such
33:10a
33:10big
33:10machinery
33:10as
33:11well
33:11why
33:11are
33:12you
33:13investigating
33:14you
33:14which is
33:15really
33:15I guess
33:16for me
33:16very
33:16interesting
33:16because
33:17there
33:18have
33:18been
33:19a lot
33:19of
33:19already
33:19reports
33:20not
33:20just
33:21myself
33:21but
33:21a lot
33:22of
33:22journalists
33:22have
33:22tried
33:23to
33:23look
33:23into
33:24the
33:25other
33:25activities
33:25of
33:26other
33:26politicians
33:26too
33:27there's
33:27been
33:27a
33:28large
33:28amount
33:33efforts
33:33wherein
33:34it
33:34was
33:34really
33:35quoted
33:35wherein
33:36they've
33:37allegedly
33:38deployed
33:38trolls
33:40and
33:41bots
33:41I
33:43think
33:43it
33:43was
33:43X
33:44that
33:44removed
33:44them
33:45before
33:45with
33:48the
33:48Romaldeses
33:48I
33:49remember
33:49both
33:50PCIJ
33:51and
33:51CMFR
33:52another
33:53organization
33:54talked
33:55about
33:55the
33:55buying
33:56of
33:56Martin
33:57Romaldes
33:58with
33:58media
33:59so
34:00I
34:00think
34:00the
34:00problem
34:01is
34:01they
34:02refuse
34:02to
34:02see
34:03the
34:04broad
34:05effort
34:06from
34:06the
34:06media
34:06sector
34:07to
34:07be
34:07balanced
34:08it's
34:09just
34:09that
34:09they're
34:09very
34:09stuck
34:10now
34:10the
34:11time
34:11of
34:11the
34:11moment
34:11now
34:12is
34:12to
34:12attack
34:12one
34:12body
34:13and
34:13if
34:13you're
34:14attacking
34:15them
34:15you're
34:16already
34:16playing
34:17for
34:17the
34:17other
34:17that's
34:17one
34:17of the
34:18strategies
34:18you were
34:18talking
34:19about
34:19the
34:19victim
34:21card
34:22why
34:23we're
34:23just
34:24although
34:25what
34:25you're
34:25saying
34:25is
34:25that's
34:26not
34:26true
34:26because
34:27there
34:27have
34:27been
34:27efforts
34:28to
34:28investigate
34:28we're
34:30just
34:30because
34:31you
34:32mentioned
34:32earlier
34:33the
34:33volume
34:33there's
34:34just
34:34so
34:34much
34:34out
34:35there
34:35I like
34:36that
34:36whole
34:36sort
34:38of
34:38graphic
34:39to
34:39show
34:39that
34:39yeah
34:40everybody
34:40does
34:40information
34:41but
34:42the
34:42board
34:43on
34:43this
34:44side
34:44is
34:44just
34:45completely
34:45failed
34:46whereas
34:46you have
34:46like
34:47a few
34:47lines
34:47here
34:48from
34:48the
34:48other
34:49side
34:49I
34:51think
34:51that's
34:51how
34:51I
34:51describe
34:52it
34:52for
34:53those
34:54listening
34:54okay
34:55and
34:56everyone
34:57listening
34:57even
34:58if you're
34:58already
34:58a
34:59discerning
34:59viewer
35:00member
35:01of
35:01this
35:01audience
35:02you
35:03might
35:03have
35:03people
35:04in
35:05your
35:05household
35:05who's
35:05not
35:06so
35:06discerning
35:06we have
35:07all of us
35:07have
35:08auntie
35:08auntie
35:09auntie
35:09auntie
35:10auntie
35:10auntie
35:10auntie
35:11auntie
35:11auntie
35:11auntie
35:11auntie
35:12who
35:12do
35:13not
35:13necessarily
35:14think
35:14before
35:15they
35:15click
35:15right
35:16they're
35:16sharing
35:16what
35:17advice
35:18what
35:19advice
35:20to
35:22online
35:23users
35:24I
35:24think
35:24for
35:24me
35:24a lot
35:25of
35:25it
35:25comes
35:26from
35:26changing
35:27our
35:28mindset
35:29first
35:29on
35:29what
35:30kind
35:30of
35:31assistance
35:31we
35:32have
35:33to
35:33bring
35:33I
35:35think
35:35the
35:35mistake
35:36has
35:36been
35:36in
35:36the
35:36past
35:37now
35:37we
35:37tend
35:37to
35:38rely
35:38too
35:39much
35:39on
35:39correction
35:40telling them
35:42that
35:43outcome
35:45is wrong
35:45or your
35:45choice
35:46is wrong
35:47and
35:48and I
35:48think
35:48if
35:48you
35:48look
35:49at
35:49why
35:49a
35:50lot
35:50of
35:50the
35:50disinformation
35:51is
35:53persuasive
35:53and
35:54especially
35:54if
35:54you
35:55analyze
35:55the
35:55influencers
35:56and
35:56how
35:56they
35:56go
35:56about
35:57their
35:57programs
35:58their
35:58methods
35:59a lot
35:59of it
36:00really
36:00is
36:01rested
36:01under
36:01the
36:02process
36:02that
36:03they
36:03make
36:03their
36:03audiences
36:04feel
36:04like
36:05they're
36:05in
36:05control
36:06and
36:06they
36:06have
36:07the
36:07power
36:07to
36:07decide
36:08like
36:08google
36:08it
36:08yourself
36:09research
36:09it
36:10yourself
36:10even
36:10if
36:10they
36:11already
36:11know
36:11that
36:12the
36:12outcome
36:12of
36:17that
36:17they
36:18have
36:18that
36:18power
36:18and
36:19I
36:19think
36:19for
36:19us
36:19if
36:21you
36:21have
36:21somebody
36:21in
36:22your
36:22household
36:22that
36:23needs
36:23help
36:23don't
36:24question
36:24their
36:25decision
36:25first
36:26ask
36:27them
36:28why
36:28did
36:29you
36:29come
36:29up
36:29with
36:29that
36:29decision
36:30trace
36:30back
36:31provide
36:31them
36:32the
36:32necessary
36:32the
36:33right
36:33necessary
36:34ways
36:34to
36:34be
36:34able
36:34to
36:35interrogate
36:35the
36:36question
36:37on
36:37their
36:38own
36:38so
36:38that
36:38if
36:39ever
36:39they
36:39come
36:39up
36:40with
36:40a
36:41decision
36:41whether
36:42it's
36:42the
36:42same
36:42or
36:43not
36:43at
36:43least
36:47that
36:47was
36:48skewed
36:49against
36:50a
36:51certain
36:51individual
36:52or
36:52a
36:52certain
36:52politician's
36:54favor
36:54I
36:55think
36:55that's
36:56for
36:56me
36:56the
36:56best
36:58advice
36:58so
36:58my
36:59final
36:59question
36:59is
37:00I
37:02am
37:04a
37:05social
37:06media
37:06user
37:06online
37:07user
37:07when
37:08I
37:08come
37:09across
37:09disinformation
37:12outright
37:13lies
37:14especially
37:16if
37:17it
37:17goes
37:17against
37:17national
37:18interest
37:18if
37:19it
37:19if
37:20it's
37:20blatantly
37:21in
37:21favor
37:22of
37:22corrupt
37:23interest
37:24etc
37:24it
37:26causes
37:26my
37:27stress
37:27level
37:27to
37:28go
37:28up
37:28so
37:30I
37:31just
37:31kind
37:31of
37:31leave
37:32that
37:32space
37:33but
37:33this
37:34is
37:34your
37:34job
37:34this
37:35is
37:35what
37:36you
37:36do
37:36so
37:37how
37:38do
37:39you
37:39inoculate
37:40yourself
37:41from
37:41going
37:42crazy
37:42that's
37:44a
37:44really
37:44good
37:45question
37:45I
37:46mean
37:46somebody
37:46has
37:46to
37:47do
37:47it
37:47and
37:47I
37:47admire
37:48people
37:48like
37:49you
37:49who
37:49are
37:49in
37:50this
37:50space
37:50we
37:51have
37:52people
37:52at
37:53GMA
37:53who
37:53do
37:54the
37:54same
37:54thing
37:54we
37:54have
37:54social
37:55media
37:55producers
37:56we
37:56have
37:56people
37:56who
37:57will
37:57receive
37:58reports
37:58that
37:59can
37:59we
38:03have
38:03this
38:03deactivated
38:04so
38:04they
38:04have
38:04to
38:04investigate
38:05they
38:05have
38:05to
38:05look
38:05at
38:06all
38:06of
38:07these
38:07all
38:08of
38:08this
38:08context
38:08and
38:09a
38:09lot
38:09of
38:10other
38:10content
38:10and
38:11I
38:11can
38:11imagine
38:11how
38:12and
38:12it
38:12is
38:12stressful
38:13for
38:14them
38:14and
38:15they
38:16have
38:16my
38:16sympathy
38:17and
38:17you
38:18have
38:18mine
38:18so
38:18what
38:19do
38:20you
38:20do
38:20I
38:21think
38:21one
38:22of
38:22the
38:23interesting
38:23internet
38:24concepts
38:25I've
38:26always
38:27found
38:27intriguing
38:28is the
38:29whole
38:29idea
38:30of
38:30Brandolinis
38:31law
38:31which
38:32states
38:32that
38:33a lot
38:33of
38:33the
38:34effort
38:34to
38:34get
38:35rid
38:36of
38:36junk
38:36online
38:37is
38:38very
38:38little
38:39compared
38:39to
38:39the
38:39amount
38:39of
38:40effort
38:40to
38:40create
38:41junk
38:41online
38:42and
38:43I
38:43think
38:43when
38:43you
38:43recognize
38:44that
38:44you
38:44really
38:44need
38:45to
38:45take
38:46care
38:46of
38:46yourself
38:46when
38:46you're
38:47in
38:47this
38:47particular
38:47field
38:48it's
38:49the
38:49same
38:49principle
38:51when it
38:51comes to
38:51those
38:52who
38:52monitor
38:52TV
38:53those
38:54who
38:54do
38:55any
38:55kind
38:55of
38:55content
38:56moderation
38:56you need
38:57to
38:58emphasize
38:59mental
38:59health
39:00in the
39:00process
39:01you can
39:01get
39:01traumatized
39:02by
39:02the
39:02images
39:03that
39:03you
39:03see
39:03the
39:04amount
39:04of
39:05messaging
39:05that
39:05you
39:05see
39:06there's
39:06a
39:07but
39:08there's
39:08even
39:08a
39:08saying
39:08that
39:09you
39:09stare
39:09into
39:10the
39:10abyss
39:11far
39:12long
39:12enough
39:13you
39:13might
39:13come
39:13out
39:13as
39:14part
39:15of
39:15the
39:15abyss
39:15as
39:15well
39:16so
39:16I
39:17think
39:17for
39:18people
39:18within
39:19this
39:19practice
39:19I
39:20hope
39:20you
39:20get
39:20enough
39:21resources
39:22and
39:23enough
39:23help
39:23but
39:23at
39:23the
39:23same
39:24time
39:24you
39:24also
39:24need
39:24to
39:24really
39:25consciously
39:25help
39:26yourself
39:26take
39:26a
39:27break
39:27watch
39:28a
39:28movie
39:28don't
39:29get
39:29too
39:30jaded
39:30with
39:31politics
39:32keep
39:32hope
39:33and
39:34inspiration
39:35that
39:36there's
39:36a
39:36better
39:36day
39:36out
39:37there
39:37I
39:37try
39:38my
39:38best
39:39to
39:39do
39:39that
39:39I'm
39:40a bit
39:40of an
39:40optimist
39:41I
39:42read
39:43epics
39:43I'm a
39:44big
39:44Lord
39:44of
39:44the
39:45rings
39:45fan
39:45I
39:46always
39:46feel
39:46like
39:46little
39:46things
39:47matter
39:48even
39:48if
39:48I
39:48don't
39:49see
39:49the
39:49outcome
39:50so
39:50yeah
39:51a little
39:51dilution
39:53but
39:54I think
39:55it helps
39:55it helps
39:56well
39:56you have
39:56to be
39:56an
39:57optimist
39:57because
39:57you can't
39:59be in
39:59this
39:59job
40:00and think
40:00you're
40:00doing
40:00all
40:01this
40:01for
40:01nothing
40:01we're
40:03all
40:04kind
40:04of
40:04doing
40:06our
40:06little
40:06thing
40:08to
40:08improve
40:10the
40:10world
40:10that's
40:11why
40:11we
40:11do
40:12what
40:12we
40:12do
40:12thank
40:12you
40:13thank
40:13you
40:13for
40:13that
40:14conversation
40:15and
40:15I'm
40:17glad
40:17we
40:17ended
40:18kind
40:18of
40:18hopeful
40:19and
40:20optimistic
40:21thank
40:22you
40:22and
40:23this
40:24wraps
40:24up
40:25our
40:25special
40:25podcast
40:26series
40:26online
40:27invasion
40:28the
40:28secret
40:28battle
40:29for
40:29hearts
40:30minds
40:30and
40:31headlines
40:31there's
40:32no
40:32doubt
40:33that
40:33politically
40:34Filipinos
40:35are as
40:35divided
40:36as
40:36ever
40:36before
40:37to
40:37what
40:38extent
40:38is
40:39this
40:39lack
40:39of
40:39consensus
40:40due
40:40to
40:41disinformation
40:41or the
40:42lies
40:42found
40:43online
40:43who
40:45benefits
40:45from
40:46spreading
40:46lies
40:47and
40:48to
40:48what
40:48extent
40:49is
40:49that
40:50disinformation
40:50originating
40:51in
40:52China
40:52no one
40:53knows
40:53for
40:53sure
40:54but
40:55we've
40:55shared
40:55certain
40:55patterns
40:56in
40:56this
40:56series
40:57we hope
40:58you'll
40:58be
40:58skeptical
40:58and
40:59ask
40:59similar
41:00questions
41:00thank you
41:02podmates
41:02for listening
41:03and watching
41:03until the
41:04very end
41:04of this
41:05podcast
41:05series
41:06alam
41:06nyo na
41:06nakakatalino
41:08ang bahabang
41:09attention span
41:10don't forget
41:11to like
41:11and subscribe
41:12mabuhay
41:13kayo
41:13at
41:14ingat
41:15ingat
41:15ingat
41:15lagi
41:15a
41:16mabuhay
41:17nyo na
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