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00:00The apologizing is for the way the team edited President Trump's speech to his supporters
00:09on January the 6th.
00:11It was public.
00:12We discussed it.
00:13And indeed, the reservations and there were some people on the board who felt very strongly
00:19it was wrong.
00:20Others defended it.
00:21It was discussed at Panorama, so they knew about that, but I think the point I'm making
00:26is in hindsight, we should have acted earlier and taken a more formal position on it, which
00:33we've done more recently.
00:35Part of the problem is the way it was edited, but what was the consequence of that?
00:40I think we just needed to go into a bit more detail, which is what we finally did, which
00:45was the impression it left on the British audience, as opposed to the intention of the programme
00:51which was to give the British audience some understanding of how President Trump's supporters
00:58was reading it.
00:59Now, that's quite a complicated set of thoughts, and we need to get that right.
01:05Let's be clear about the role of the board.
01:06We are a non-executive board, ten of us are non-execs, four execs.
01:10The job of the board is to review BBC output and to maintain and to represent the public interest.
01:16It is not our job to determine who or who should not be the director of news, that is the job
01:22of the director general.
01:23It is for him to say and for him to determine, and that's the only position I take and I
01:29insist that the board takes.
01:31I did not want to lose Tim Davey.
01:34I think Tim Davey has been an outstanding director general, and may I say, nor did any
01:40member of the board.
01:41We were upset by the decision.
01:45I do understand it at a very human level.
01:48Tim has gone through a lot of attacks, it's been relentless, it's also a very, very difficult
01:54job.
01:55We do take it really seriously.
01:57I mean, there are real issues here, they're over a three year period, and just let me say,
02:05the BBC in those three years has produced hundreds and hundreds of hours of outstanding journalism,
02:11television, on audio, on online.
02:14We have, and we do a great job there, but inevitably we make mistakes.
02:20And what he's identified are mistakes, either individual ones or ones that point to underlying
02:25problems, which we accept.
02:26But the statistics say that the British people trust BBC News more than anything else.
02:33If there was this consistent institutional bias, do you think we'd have those figures?
02:37We wouldn't.
02:38So I don't think that's right.
02:41That's not to say that there aren't real problems, real issues, both underlying and specific.
02:49I don't think there's a systemic bias in anti-Israel.
02:51I mean, there are loads of arguments that suggest almost the opposite, you know.
02:56I think that we have, we have issues, as we, I've talked about underlying problems, and we've
03:04made changes in leadership trying to deal with that, but I think, you know, it's worth
03:10talking about the scale of the BBC and how much it does, and how much excellent, impartial
03:16journalism it does.
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