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We’re thrilled to welcome Nicole Mattox back to the show, alongside first-time guest Eric Guilmette, as they sit down with host Sarah Moliski to talk about their new series Dungeons of Ecstasy....
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00:00Hey everyone, Sarah Malisky here with another Real Talk episode where it gets hot, spicy, and to the drama.
00:06I'm so excited today. I'm actually quite literally sweating because we're going to dive into a hot, steamy, new Real Short series called Dungeons of Ecstasy.
00:17And when I tell you it is hot, it is spicy, it is leather, it is Italy, it is zaddy.
00:24Introducing three-time Real Short Fan Award winner, Nicole Maddox!
00:30And the man you all fantasize about, Eric Gilmette.
00:33Woo!
00:50Okay, so this is maybe I'm being biased. I'm so excited to interview you both about your new show.
00:56Obviously, we have Eric, we have Nicole here. I can't wait to talk about this.
00:59I've heard some adjectives. I've heard zaddy, leather, Italy, hot.
01:06Zaddy.
01:07Oh.
01:08All are accurate.
01:09Do those work? How does that fit into the show?
01:12They truly are all, I think that might just be the logline right there.
01:14I think it's just gonna be a series of those words and that's all you need to know.
01:19So tell me a little bit about it.
01:22What's the better way to describe the show? Would it be calling it like BDSM light?
01:26Yeah, like a light BDSM vibe. Sprinkle BDSM.
01:29I would say like 22, 23 shades of grey. That's the best way to describe the show.
01:33Yeah. Okay. So I feel like some viewers might not understand the levels or the gauging of that.
01:39So compared to intense BDSM, like how would this stack up?
01:44This is, it's just sexy. Okay.
01:46It's not like...
01:47It's more like mysterious.
01:48Yeah.
01:49Yeah. Like it's, I mean, I know BDSM is a very like encompassing term, but it's more like mysterious sexual romance type of thing.
01:56Yes.
01:57Yeah.
01:58And Nicole, is this kind of a new little genre for you?
02:00Oh yeah. Oh yeah. This is very different from what I usually done.
02:04Okay.
02:05Which was, it was fun.
02:06What do you usually do?
02:07I'm mommy.
02:08Oh, this is coined mommy.
02:11I'm mommy. Yes.
02:12So mommy and zaddy.
02:14Mommy and zaddy.
02:16Oh God.
02:17Took on Italy.
02:21No. Yeah. It was different. It was just very different, which was fun.
02:23It was fun to kind of like explore new themes and I would be just somebody who's very different.
02:28And yeah, it was, it was, it was a blast.
02:30It was really fun to take on and like complete 180 from what I usually do.
02:33Would you say in the vertical space, it can sometimes be hard to get out of the actor box or the character box that you guys tend to get into.
02:41Yeah.
02:42Where, so this is fun that you were able to really like do something different to show the fans that like, I actually have something spicy.
02:47Yeah.
02:48Up my sleeve.
02:49Exactly. Exactly. And I understand why we, like it's, you get kind of pigeonholed and it's like that in all of Hollywood too.
02:53Right.
02:54It's not just vertical space.
02:55It's when you see somebody doing one character type and doing pretty well at it.
02:59I mean, that's what people come to associate you with.
03:01So that's what casting comes to associate you with.
03:03That's people like just see you as.
03:05Um, so it is nice to have this now and just have something different and being like, I have more range.
03:10I have versatility.
03:11I would say this is kind of a little on brand for me, but like, like I've done all the werewolves and stoic, cold, don't move, just stare at the camera type of thing like that vibe.
03:21And it's a little bit like that, but there's the, I play two characters.
03:25And so I play Luke and Lucien and they're very different, but they're the same person.
03:31It's layered.
03:32It's complicated.
03:33It's very layered.
03:34It's a little complicated, but it's nice to actually, my character was trying to act most of the time.
03:38So that was actually a fun challenge for me.
03:40So you're an actor as a human playing an actor.
03:44I'm a human playing someone who isn't supposed to be the person that she knows.
03:49Okay.
03:50Because trying to infiltrate like a, like a sex ring.
03:54Oh.
03:55Yeah.
03:56I was like, did I describe that correctly?
03:57I'm like.
03:58Okay.
03:59Yeah.
04:00He just, he doesn't need, he needs his character and needs my character to think he's not my husband.
04:04There we go.
04:05Do you realize?
04:06Sure.
04:07After lots and lots.
04:08I know the whole time because it's, I mean, it's the same person.
04:11Like obviously, like I'm like, I'm looking at you, but he's does act very different than like my Luke.
04:17Um, so.
04:18You're a wookie baby.
04:19My wookie baby.
04:20Oh.
04:21And.
04:22Baby?
04:23Little baby.
04:24I'm just a baby.
04:25Yeah.
04:26Um, so yeah.
04:27I mean, my character kind of new, but it's, things unfold and, um, you'll have to watch and see if and when I find out if it's him.
04:35Slash if I fall for the other guy.
04:37And we'll see what happens.
04:38Right, right.
04:39Okay.
04:40So can you guys just tell me a little bit about your characters too?
04:41Yeah.
04:42Yeah, totally.
04:43So, uh, I play Emily and it's very much like the beginning.
04:46Everything's happy.
04:47Everything's fine.
04:48I'm married.
04:49Yes.
04:50We're like just fine and goofy and yeah.
04:52And just like living our happy little young married life.
04:55Yeah.
04:56Um, and then things go south very immediately, like episode one.
04:58So not spoiling anything.
04:59We get in a car crash.
05:00He's gone.
05:01He serves me divorce papers.
05:02He's out.
05:03Oh.
05:04Out of nowhere.
05:05So my character kind of goes to like a hardening transition.
05:07And, um, I, I'm like a travel writer slash investigative reporter.
05:12Um, so I spend all of my time trying to track him down to be like, I need to face him and
05:17figure out why he's gone.
05:19I find out he's in Italy and that's why we go to Italy.
05:22And she tracks me down to Italy to this dungeon.
05:25Yes.
05:26Of ecstasy.
05:27And, um, I'm like confronted by the fact that she's in a room where these women have to go
05:33through trials and, um, those trials are like testing their abilities, I guess, for
05:41lack of a better term.
05:43And anyways, I walk into a room and she's there and I have to put her through trials
05:48and my character secretly wants her to fail because.
05:51He wants me out of there.
05:52Yeah.
05:53Does not want me a part of this.
05:54Anywhere near it.
05:55But I'm trying to prove that it's him the whole time and trying to uncover and be like,
05:58no, I'm going to make you say to me out loud that this is you.
06:01So I'm a little stubborn.
06:03Yeah.
06:04Oh my God.
06:05It's pretty wild.
06:06It's really good.
06:07It's a great script.
06:08I know.
06:09I rocked in.
06:10All right.
06:11Let's watch Party It.
06:12So when Felix, Felix Merabach was one of the producers and he came to me about this
06:17and he, and he was like, you know, like, look, I want you for this show.
06:20All right.
06:21And I was like, I'll do it.
06:22I can't.
06:23I have like bookings on either side of it.
06:24Like we can't.
06:25And they're like, no, we'll make it work.
06:26And I was like, all right, what is it?
06:27And he was like, it's BDSM.
06:28I was like, I'm out.
06:29And then he was like, he was like, no, no, no, just read the script.
06:31And I read the script and I was like, oh, I need to do this project because it's so good.
06:35And the script is amazing.
06:36Yeah.
06:37Cypress was, was the writer and she actually came to set.
06:39She did.
06:40She came to Italy.
06:41She stayed with us in the little castle we were living in.
06:42Oh my God.
06:43The castle.
06:44That's so nice.
06:45Okay.
06:46So I hear the word castle.
06:47I hear the word Italy.
06:48Let's talk about the location because what?
06:51Yeah.
06:52It was a dream.
06:53When I was told about it, everybody was like, okay, well, you're staying.
06:56The director said he owns this mill in Italy.
06:58And he's like, we're going to stay at my, this property.
07:00Did he call it a mill?
07:01He called it a mill to me.
07:02I don't think I was ever told it was a mill.
07:03He told me it was a mill.
07:04He told me it was a castle.
07:05And it's a castle.
07:06He told me mill.
07:07He was like, well, it's not as big as the castle I used to own.
07:09It's definitely a castle.
07:10Oh.
07:11But it is not as big as the castle he used to own.
07:12Okay.
07:13Which is fair.
07:14Sure.
07:15But it's a castle.
07:16It's a full on castle.
07:17Charlie Band, everybody.
07:18Yeah.
07:19Charlie Band.
07:20Thank God for him.
07:21And so we show up and they just took such great care of us.
07:24And we show up to this property and there's these giant gates and we all, it was ridiculous.
07:28And I was like, Charlie, you said you, this was a mill.
07:31He made me think we were living in some little like cottage kind of thing.
07:35Right.
07:36No, it was a full castle.
07:37And he showed us each to our own rooms and it was just, it was phenomenal.
07:41It was awesome.
07:42I mean, we were taken care of from the second we got there to the second we left.
07:44Yeah.
07:45I had a different entrance.
07:46You had a very different entrance.
07:47I was filming a show that I produced called Campus Rivals till like 1am.
07:52And then at 5am I got on a flight to go to Italy.
07:55Of course.
07:56You know, very, very sleep deprived the whole time, but it was okay.
07:59And then got there, landed, and we got, I got brought straight to this like church,
08:04center of town area, NGOV.
08:06From the airport.
08:07From the airport.
08:08Very, very like Brad Pitt style.
08:10Very, I was like, oh, this feels very movie star.
08:12Minus the fact that I was exhausted.
08:13Right.
08:14That also is movie star.
08:15Yeah.
08:16It's great.
08:17And then we just started filming and there's all these people that are around.
08:20The, the locations are insane.
08:22And then I finally got to see the castle and I was like, oh my God, this is where we're
08:26staying and shooting.
08:27We're at home.
08:28And then we, we lived there and happily ever after.
08:31Yeah.
08:32Wow.
08:33It was insane.
08:34No, he literally went from the airport to film.
08:35Yeah.
08:36Like from Italy.
08:37It was crazy.
08:38It was crazy.
08:39It was a little dreamy.
08:40A side note.
08:41Just, you guys are both so busy and you're both huge names in the vertical space, especially.
08:46So tell me a little bit about, obviously from the outside, it can look like, oh my gosh,
08:51the dream life.
08:52Like they're flying to all these different countries.
08:54They're big actors, you know, like, wow.
08:57What's it actually like?
08:59And how do you navigate doing something when you have no sleep?
09:02You aren't able to see your friends or family.
09:05Maybe relationships don't work either.
09:07Like what's that side of the actor life like?
09:09So I'm holding something in my hand right now and it's called Celsius.
09:15Energy drink.
09:16It's an energy drink.
09:18And so that gets us through the sleep deprivation.
09:20That's definitely one of the hardest parts.
09:22Yes.
09:23Sleep deprivation.
09:24And for me personally, I am a very social person and not seeing my friends is, it is
09:28the hardest part for me personally.
09:29Yeah.
09:30And it's a matter of like, you have your friends who you, who support you so, so much.
09:34And then you're not there for some of the big moments for them because I'm in Italy
09:38or because I'm in Atlanta.
09:39That's the hardest part.
09:40It takes a toll and you're just like, you're like personal relationships and things like
09:45that.
09:46So that, that is the toughest part for me.
09:47But then also you're friends with everybody on set.
09:48Right.
09:49You know, like it did just feel like we were all just like with our friends hanging out
09:52in Italy.
09:53It was very like, I actually talked to Felix about this like the other day.
09:56Like if I felt very much at peace when I was there, which as we all know, sometimes
10:01you're on set and it does not feel like peace.
10:03Right.
10:04It feels like you're like battling.
10:06Right.
10:07That's war against the world.
10:08Right.
10:09Like truly.
10:10We've all been there.
10:11Yeah.
10:12And so when we're in Italy, like it just felt like we were filming with our friends.
10:14We're only working like 10 hour days.
10:16We're drinking all the best wines and eating all the best food.
10:20And we're in a castle.
10:21And I was like, and at no point was I like, this isn't amazing.
10:25There was no, there's not one point that I did not think what we were doing was amazing.
10:28Yeah.
10:29Even sleep deprived.
10:30Yeah.
10:31Even so tired.
10:32Would you say at the stage that you guys are at, are you still able to have those aha
10:35moments that are like, oh my God, like I'm still, I'm on set.
10:38I'm in Italy.
10:39I'm getting flown around the world.
10:40I'm acting with my best friends.
10:42Like this is like a really beautiful moment to be grateful for.
10:46Do you guys still have those moments?
10:47Oh yes.
10:48Well, and especially in Italy.
10:49I mean, it was day one when we showed up to this giant, like insane church that we're
10:54filming outside of.
10:55Oh my God.
10:56That was just insane.
10:57I mean, right off the bat, I was like, we're, we're here.
11:00We're doing, this is our job.
11:01Yeah.
11:02That's crazy.
11:03And then as we all got to know each other more and like got to be really close.
11:06Cause you know, you bond when you're overseas living together.
11:08Especially when you're like overseas, you're on location.
11:10Like you spend every waking minute of your time with those people.
11:14And so it's very, aha, you know, it's, it's very like, wow, this is pinched me.
11:19Cool.
11:20And then, and then of course the hard thing is when you go to like a set that isn't like
11:23that, uh, after having an experience like that, it's like, it's very hard to kind of
11:28go through that transition.
11:29I would say that's one of the, yeah, it's very, you know, not every set is, you know,
11:34what's the expression in Hollywood once for the meal and once for the real.
11:37Yeah.
11:38And like the soul and, and we still got the meal in the process, you know,
11:43Right.
11:44Yeah.
11:45You got everything on that one.
11:46We checked all the boxes.
11:47Yeah.
11:48Yeah.
11:49It was like truly a once in a lifetime experience filming this.
11:50Also for this one, the only reason I got on this project was because of this guy.
11:53He recommended me for this project, which was crazy.
11:56And we had never, it really worked out quite, quite interestingly.
11:59Yeah.
12:00You know, like they had never worked together before, which is the craziest thing about
12:02vertical space.
12:03That was, I feel like we know so many people.
12:05We know of so many people.
12:06Right.
12:07Right.
12:08And then like you very rarely get to meet all the people that you're like, I've been
12:10following your work though.
12:11Uh huh.
12:12Cool.
12:13Yeah, for sure.
12:14Yeah.
12:15So we try to, we try to meet up with as many other actors as possible.
12:18So that.
12:19Yeah.
12:20Yeah.
12:21And, and so then we had drinks and then like, um, I talked to the producers and they're
12:24like, yeah, like, you know, the, the first person that we're considering most likely
12:27can't do it.
12:28And then they, they liked the people that are recommended, but it wasn't just necessarily
12:32a fit for them.
12:33And then I was like, well, I'm getting drinks with Nicole tonight.
12:36Like she's part of real short.
12:38Do you want me to see if she's interested?
12:39And then they're like, yeah.
12:41And so then I was like, so do you know where Italy is?
12:45And she was like, no, like pull my leg.
12:48Like I have no interest.
12:49Oh no.
12:50Italy.
12:51I have to go to Italy and get paid to go.
12:52That's cool.
12:53I don't know about that.
12:54Yeah.
12:55Yeah.
12:56And then they ended up working out.
12:57Yeah.
12:58Crazy.
12:59It was just, it was, timing was everything.
13:01Right.
13:02So Italy is amazing obviously for multiple reasons, but tell me a little bit about the
13:07cinematography and the production value of just working on something over there.
13:10Like the scale of that.
13:11A lot of it is because of full moon features.
13:14So Charlie band who owns and operates full moon features.
13:17They do like horror films.
13:19They've been doing horror films for like 30 something years.
13:21And Charlie band has done over 400 feature films.
13:23It's crazy.
13:24If you look at IMDb.
13:25400.
13:26Once I actually like attached myself to the project and I looked through his IMDb.
13:29I was like, holy, you know, hell.
13:32Yeah.
13:33Are we all to swear?
13:34I don't know though.
13:35I was like, holy.
13:36And so anyways, um, and, and then I was like, Oh, this is going to be like legitimate.
13:40And then when I heard from them how they were going to shoot it.
13:43So they shot, you know, standard 16 by nine framing and Tom was the DP and really, really good.
13:49And, um, and then they had crop lines.
13:52And then we learned once I got there, this is when I learned that this was going to be released in two formats.
13:58This was going to be released on real short with a real short edit in a nine by 16.
14:03And then it's going to be released on like prime and Tubi and all these other places with a 16 by nine feature edit.
14:09And I was like, Oh my God, this is an incredible thing.
14:12And so then that was number one.
14:14And number two was our locations, our location, the production value of our locations was, it was unbelievable.
14:21We're filming in a castle.
14:22We're filming in monster park.
14:24I won't say what Felix says, but we're just filming in these incredible locations with a good script.
14:35And we're like, Oh, we literally hit all the, all the things that would make a good movie.
14:39Yeah.
14:40And then with good cast, good people, you know?
14:42Yeah.
14:43Yeah.
14:44We just, it was, it was crazy.
14:45That's really cool.
14:46Also.
14:47I was thinking about this earlier.
14:48Um, just talking with other casting directors, other actors, some people are a little highbrow
14:52and, you know, turn their nose at the verticals.
14:54You know, I'm sure you guys have friends too, who are like, I don't want that on my IMDb.
14:57Oh no.
14:58No, never.
14:59But it's funny.
15:00Especially when we started.
15:01Especially when we started.
15:02Yeah.
15:03When we started, people were like, Oh, you're going to.
15:04You're one of those actors.
15:05Yeah.
15:06Yeah.
15:07It's like, yes, I am.
15:08We're like, Oh, thanks.
15:09Yeah.
15:10Um, but that's really cool because the show is going to also be on Amazon and Tubi and
15:15all these other things.
15:16So it's just showing how the verticals are growing.
15:19Yeah.
15:20They're becoming movies.
15:21They're becoming the horizontal land that everybody loves and is obsessed with, you know?
15:25So it's, it's an exciting time.
15:27It is.
15:28And it's exciting too, because it's, it's verticals in themselves, especially with Real Short
15:32and they're expanding into just other genres and other, trying new things.
15:36Right.
15:37And still doing the things that are tried and true and people do love and they're successful
15:41for a reason.
15:42But it's also growing in other aspects and bringing new audiences in.
15:45Right.
15:46And it's just like, it's, it's really, really cool to watch.
15:48And one thing that's cool about this one is Full Moon Features, again, they do horror films.
15:51And we are going to get naturally because of their pull, like horror fans that are going
15:56to be watching verticals.
15:58And I think like one of the things for the space to be able to grow is to not just have
16:02the current audience watching it.
16:03You want to get people that do, you know, are gamers or horror, horror fans or action
16:08film watchers, whatever.
16:10And so it's like, if we can kind of get a mix of them, especially naturally, like organically,
16:14that's really, and this is like a great starting point.
16:17I feel like this is, it's not horror.
16:19It's, this is definitely like romance thriller.
16:21Okay.
16:22I would say.
16:23Okay.
16:24Agreed.
16:25You know, I would say that's kind of the genre.
16:26So it's, it's like a nice branch off of standard vertical, uh, land.
16:30Nice.
16:31Vertical land.
16:32Vertical land.
16:33Okay.
16:34So since we're just talking Italy and we're talking senses, adjectives, all these things,
16:38I think we should play a game of charades.
16:40I'm terrified.
16:41It's going to be like a dungeons of ecstasy.
16:44All right.
16:45This is your fifth trial.
16:46Maybe not as much BDSM.
16:47Six.
16:49Okay.
16:50So Nicole, I believe you're going to go first.
16:52Okay.
16:53So one, two, three, action.
16:55You're crushing it.
16:56Bear.
16:57Gorilla.
16:58Vampire.
16:59Werewolf.
17:00Yes.
17:01Yes.
17:02Tennis player.
17:03Tennis.
17:04Tennis.
17:05Me.
17:06Oh.
17:07Oh.
17:08What?
17:09What?
17:10A bad score.
17:12Oh.
17:13Close.
17:14I know what it is.
17:15Hockey.
17:16Basketball.
17:17Yes.
17:18Oh.
17:19Chef.
17:20Cooking.
17:21Serving.
17:22Pancakes.
17:23Oh.
17:24Eating.
17:25Baking.
17:26Cook.
17:27Flip.
17:28Serve.
17:29I'm a waitress.
17:31Pizza.
17:32Yes.
17:33Ah.
17:34Money.
17:38Money.
17:39Call girl.
17:40Look up.
17:41I don't know how to act this way.
17:43Money.
17:44Rich.
17:45Rich.
17:46Money.
17:47Billionaire.
17:48What was this?
17:49That was like the highest money.
17:50The top of it.
17:51Oh.
17:52The highest money you can go.
17:53Look up.
17:54I have no idea how to do this one.
17:55Stripper.
18:01You can't give birth.
18:02Woman.
18:03Mother.
18:04Back to that.
18:05Woman.
18:06I don't know how else to do this.
18:08Sex.
18:09Impregnate.
18:10Pregnant.
18:12Impregnate.
18:13By my doctor.
18:14By my baby daddy.
18:16Surrogate.
18:17Surrogate.
18:18Surrogate.
18:19Yes.
18:20Sorry.
18:21Sorry.
18:22This one's hard too.
18:24Shot put.
18:25Uh.
18:26Baseball.
18:27Football.
18:28Football.
18:29Quarterback.
18:30Ah.
18:31You're quick.
18:32He's quick.
18:34Gun.
18:35Spy.
18:37Italian.
18:38Mafia.
18:39Yes.
18:40Okay.
18:41Okay.
18:42Okay.
18:43Wine.
18:44Drinking wine.
18:45Drinking wine.
18:46Yes.
18:48Eating pasta.
18:49Yeah.
18:50That was a quick one.
18:52Wait, wait.
18:54Your show seems to be definitely pushing some boundaries on some vertical spaces and just BDSM light and all that type of thing.
19:0322 shades.
19:04But 22.
19:05So with that, how do you guys navigate doing sexy steamy scenes on set? Like what's that like for you guys?
19:13Cause some of our viewers watch, they're like, oh my gosh, are they actually kissing on screen?
19:16What's, what, what is that look like to you guys?
19:19We are actually kissing on screen.
19:21Yeah.
19:22We're not pantomiming it.
19:23We're not pantomiming it.
19:24There's no.
19:25Using the camera.
19:26Yeah.
19:27Yeah.
19:28Yeah.
19:29Do the hide.
19:30What it really comes down to is being comfortable with the people you're on set with.
19:33Uh huh.
19:34And that's your co-star.
19:35And that was really nice because I was with Eric and Felix and Molly and they're all very established in this space.
19:40So not only I know they're phenomenal actors and phenomenal people, I know that they've done this before.
19:44Like, it's not like somebody who's just going in, like I've never done intimacy, you know, so it was really nice being in another country and having people who all are like, we've all been here.
19:53We know what we're doing.
19:54We know how to keep this like classy and, and do this professionally.
19:58Um, and then also Charlie band as the director, he's just, I just trust him so deeply and so much.
20:03It's just very comfortable when you trust everybody that you're with the entire crew, the entire cast.
20:07It's like, it makes, it makes those steamy scenes.
20:10Just like, it's just part of your, it's part of the day.
20:13Yeah.
20:14I would say like the main thing is definitely trust with your co-star.
20:16Cause like, if you can't communicate with your co-star, especially for something that's like a little charged, like ours are 22 shades.
20:23Like you need to be able to like talk to each other, talk it through.
20:27But again, we're both professionals.
20:28We've done this however many, too many times.
20:31Um, you know, so it's like, we got to the point where we knew what we were going to accomplish and we talked through the scenes and we coordinated it.
20:38And like, it actually made for, I think a really good, like a genuine experience, you know, like in terms of what we were portraying.
20:45So it was, that was good.
20:46Yeah.
20:47Yeah.
20:48And what would you say is more challenging for you as an actor?
20:51Either the literal physical technicality choreography of doing intimacy scenes or the emotional moments with each other, which is maybe a harder approach for you.
21:03It's kind of a mix.
21:05It's hard to stay in the emotional vulnerability of it with some of the physical limitations you have sometimes.
21:11For example, in ours, there's one where it's like kind of all one little segment and segue of things that we would have to like stay in this steamy space.
21:19Oh, because we have to.
21:20So we have to like pause and unbutton and take these under things off.
21:23Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
21:24And then replace.
21:25Like pause?
21:26And then stay in it.
21:27Everything's under, and then we're like.
21:28Okay, we're back.
21:29And then like try and keep that.
21:31I feel like is sometimes the hardest.
21:33It's, it's hardest to stay emotionally available and open within what you have to do physically.
21:38Yeah.
21:39I think you actually said it perfectly because like when we're doing the mannequin scene, for example, like after the ecstasy thing, we had to pause.
21:46About the mirror one.
21:47Oh yeah, the mirror.
21:48Sorry.
21:49But it was both filmed in the same location.
21:50Yeah.
21:51We know.
21:52Anyways.
21:53And, and so like when we had to do that, like we had to pause for like probably 15, 20 seconds and then come back and do it.
22:00And the physical.
22:01It's supposed to look as one.
22:02Yeah.
22:03One continuous shot.
22:04And so like the physical aspect is, I don't want to say like we're desensitized to it, but we're professionals.
22:09We've done it too many times that it's like, you know, you, you actually don't think about that when you're doing it.
22:14But yeah, that would say that's all part of it.
22:17Yeah.
22:18Yeah.
22:19And before you guys started doing verticals, had you done intimacy scenes?
22:24Have you, are you familiar with doing that kind of thing?
22:26I've done like kissing scenes before, but not anything that.
22:30And I've done like a comedic, like sex scene where it's like, you're going into a sex scene.
22:35And then, you know, it's like a comedy beat where we're like on the other side of the door, you hear us.
22:39And it's like funny things like that.
22:41Not like anything that like that steamy and passionate before verticals.
22:45But yeah, I filmed a few features that had that stuff built into it.
22:49So, you know, I would say that verticals definitely has pushed my, my boundaries.
22:55And yeah.
22:56Yeah.
22:57But outside of that beforehand, it was very light compared to, especially what.
23:00Dungeons of Exorcist?
23:01What Dungeons of Exorcist was.
23:0222 Shades.
23:03Yeah.
23:04Yeah.
23:05Yeah.
23:06Yeah.
23:0722 Shades.
23:08If they rename the title that like someone could just give me naming rights.
23:09Yeah.
23:10I know.
23:11They had a little bump.
23:12It was really like a cool experience because again, the scenes that we were doing that were intimate.
23:16Like if you were a new actor, for example, like the intimacy aspect would be like riding on your head and like you would be thinking about that going into it.
23:25Whereas we were really thinking about our characters and what our characters were trying to experience in that moment.
23:30Yeah.
23:31And like the vulnerability of your character, like giving in to Lucian and Lucian not being Luke and all that.
23:36So it's like, it was so much more than the actual intimate aspect.
23:39Right.
23:40And cause like we said, our characters are very layered in this one.
23:42So we each, every, every intimacy moment that we had all, like we each had reasons for being there and other things that we were thinking about and like other things our character was trying to accomplish within that.
23:52It was complicated and I'm glad I, I'm glad I got to do it with somebody who's experienced.
23:56For sure.
23:57For sure.
23:58Whereas most verticals, I feel like the intimacy and the steamy crap is just there for quick bait.
24:03It's literally just there to just get the male weed shirt off or whatever reason.
24:07And this was so not that.
24:10And like, so that's why it felt like we were filming.
24:13Yeah.
24:14Everything that had intention, everything.
24:15It felt like we were filming something elevated.
24:17So yeah.
24:18Um, question for you guys, since you do so many of these back to back and you do other types of work as well.
24:23What's it like for you?
24:25Like you guys are saying that there's so many layers to each one of your characters on this.
24:28And some of them, you guys know, some of these are easier for us to do than others.
24:32You can kind of just look at the script and you're like, all right, I'm locked in.
24:34I'm good.
24:35How do you prepare for a role that's so deep and layered and different from the norm that you guys are used to?
24:42Like, did you have to emotionally prepare a little bit more?
24:44Did you have to sit with the script longer?
24:45Like, what was that like?
24:46So like, when I was coming into this, I was literally finishing another project right before.
24:51Yeah, how do you do that as an actor?
24:53Actually, I'm really glad that, like, Nicole was the lead because we were able to, like, talk through scenes and, like, run lines and stuff.
25:01Whereas, like, some actors just don't like doing that and they're very, like, they have their own ways of doing it.
25:07And ours was very collaborative.
25:08And you had such a, like, a definite idea of who your character was that then it helped me, like, kind of use that as a basis to go off of when we, when we did stuff.
25:18I was like, I didn't rely on you, but I definitely was like, I was like, I'm here for you.
25:23I was like, well, she knows.
25:24She's doing the heavy lifting.
25:25Because, like, I was, I mean, I'm not lying.
25:27I was exhausted.
25:28I was deep into, you know, day 40 something of filming or whatever.
25:32Right.
25:33And so then.
25:34Coming off of a project that not only were you the lead and you produced.
25:36I produced.
25:37Yeah.
25:38Used a lot of brain power.
25:39It's a lot.
25:40With that project.
25:41And like, what's good about my character for this one, like, he's stoic.
25:44He has to, he has to play those things.
25:46Like, again, he's not actually naturally stoic.
25:49He's not naturally this alpha asshole, you know?
25:52Yeah.
25:53And so it was like kind of fun to play with that and then have our moments of breaking,
25:57which like, you'll see like kind of nuance.
25:59Well, hopefully you'll see, I don't know how the edit is, but hopefully you'll see those,
26:02those, those nuanced edits.
26:04Little moments.
26:05Yeah.
26:06And for me, I did, I did work, sit with it a little longer, but also like, I kind of,
26:09even the one tone things where it's very clear.
26:12I have one goal, one thing.
26:13That's all my character thinks about.
26:15I still like sitting with it and I like finding layers where I can't, like, it's just the fun part
26:20to me.
26:21Yeah.
26:22Like I enjoy that more so than being on set.
26:24Um, and then it also makes the set experience better because you can kind of play.
26:26And especially when you have somebody who you can kind of play off of, and then I could
26:30see kind of layers going on with him and I could, I could then play off of it and see
26:34how it makes me feel and everything.
26:35So it was, um, yeah, it was a lot of working with it beforehand, but it was also a lot of
26:39just trusting like your scene partner and, um, yeah, just letting it hit.
26:43But logistically, how do you guys do it?
26:46Like coming off of a show that you literally produce and are in and you've shot 50 days
26:50in a row.
26:51Now you're in every other real short series that exists.
26:53Like how do you, the night before you literally wrapped and then got on a plane and then got
26:57there.
26:58I did it.
26:59I had one day in Italy to prep this one.
27:01So I, I prepped, I literally, I think how long it was like a 12 hour flight.
27:05Yeah.
27:06Um, and so I literally the way there, I was the same kind of thing for me.
27:09I wrapped my project at like 1130.
27:11I had a 6 AM flight.
27:12Yeah.
27:13Got on the plane the entire, I think I like dove into the script and I looked up afterwards
27:17and it said like two hours left on the flight.
27:19And it was just like, I just spent the entire flight, just like digging into it.
27:23And then I had a day before we started filming to be in Italy.
27:25So then I also had that to kind of talk to the director and talk to Felix.
27:28And you know, um, so for me, I, I only need like two days of just heads down, like focus
27:35in on it.
27:36Um, so I got, I had some of that time.
27:38Well, and especially for like us, once we actually did our first scene together, like
27:42our, like a real scene together, I understood our relationship more and how our dynamic was
27:46going to be.
27:47And then like, we got to like play that out, but on like a bigger scale, like, I think
27:51the question that you're asking is how do we do it?
27:53Like how do, how does that actually happen?
27:55Um, I think.
27:56Plane rides.
27:57Yeah.
27:58I was going to say, I think like a big part of it, and this is why, like, you know, the
28:02productions, higher seasoned vertical actors, or just seasoned actors in general, is that
28:07the lines aren't the hard part for us.
28:09Memorizing lines is, it should be the bare minimum.
28:11Yeah.
28:12If you show up to a set and you don't know your lines, like, what are you doing?
28:16And so like, that was the bare minimum.
28:18And so when you're at that point, and even intimacy is like, I don't want to say the bare
28:21minimum, but in verticals, like.
28:22You're going to have it.
28:23You're going to have intimacy.
28:24Yeah.
28:25Yeah.
28:26All of those things are the things that we don't think about.
28:28It's everything else.
28:29It's the characters.
28:30Me, I always think with a little bit of a producer brain, then I overstep.
28:34Yeah.
28:35Um, but at least I know that about myself.
28:37I know my flaws.
28:38I just don't know how to fix them.
28:39Self-aware.
28:40At least you're self-aware.
28:41That's all we ask.
28:42You're not trying to fix them.
28:43I'm not trying to fix them.
28:44I'm actually leaning deeper into it, but it's okay.
28:46But, um, you know what?
28:47I think that's just part of it.
28:48Yeah.
28:49Yeah.
28:50Would you say that I can talk from experience for myself working on these verticals, just
28:54back to back to back.
28:55My skillset has improved so much.
28:57I'll get a script right away and I'll have it memorized in a couple hours.
29:01Do you think that the vertical game, just how quick, how much, you guys know, like, look
29:06monologues, like so much copy that we have to know has helped you just working in the
29:10vertical space?
29:11Yes.
29:12I mean, memory, like improved 110%.
29:14Like it's just that like short-term memory in and out.
29:17You look at something twice.
29:18My short-term memory is great.
29:19My long-term memory is trash.
29:21Mine is so bad.
29:22Oh my gosh.
29:23Mine is so bad too.
29:24That's why when we were talking, you're like, were you just there?
29:25I'm like, I don't know.
29:26I'm like, Sarah, where are you from?
29:28And then you're like, I don't know.
29:29No, I was literally like, you know, I don't know anymore, man.
29:33Like, I don't know.
29:34It's so bad.
29:35I don't know anything.
29:36Yeah.
29:37Yeah.
29:38Long-term memory, not so great.
29:39Short-term memory, it's helped so much.
29:40And then it's also just, and I say this all the time, these are truly a bootcamp for actors
29:44because it is like, you get two takes and you, it has helped me.
29:47Oh yeah.
29:48I can hit those deep emotional notes in the first two takes now, like without even thinking
29:52about it.
29:53Like it has helped me grow so much in that space of just getting you where you need to go
29:56quickly.
29:57Yeah.
29:58Making some plot holes make sense and having fun with like getting, you get something
30:03and your job is to live it and make things make sense.
30:05And there, you know, there are some things you just, you just, I can justify anything at
30:09this point.
30:10I love that.
30:11I love that.
30:12Not taking it too seriously, but taking it serious enough to do a good job.
30:15But also like you're playing make-believe.
30:17It's fun.
30:18Like these situations are wacky, zany, and some-
30:21Could you live that way?
30:22Yeah.
30:23Like who cares?
30:24Like whatever.
30:25Yeah.
30:26I think like that's like such a big part of it.
30:28Like you, when, when you're seasoned and you're doing this a million times, you're
30:33not thinking about all of the stuff that everyone who isn't seasoned is thinking about.
30:37And then you see them struggling in a scene and you want to just help them, but you know,
30:40I think like when, when the director and the production kind of let you cook, like when
30:44they know like, Oh, you've done a billion verticals.
30:47Like you, you, you've done this a million times, you know what you're doing.
30:49I'm going to let you like do your thing.
30:51Well guys, I think we could maybe get a sneak peek of your first 10 episodes.
30:56Oh yeah.
30:57Yes.
30:58Yes.
30:59Oh my.
31:00Okay.
31:01We have not seen any of this.
31:02Oh my gosh.
31:03Is that it?
31:04I've been here too many times.
31:05I forgot.
31:06I don't know what I think, but also I feel like it's going to be the opposite.
31:10Okay.
31:11Milk and eggs.
31:12All right.
31:13Milk.
31:14God, you're, you're standing so tall.
31:15You have to be careful.
31:16I'm tall.
31:17Oops.
31:18Oh, the silk shorts.
31:19They used the one where my foot hit the counter.
31:21You literally kicked the counter.
31:25Oh.
31:26Is this the first try?
31:27This is the first thing.
31:28They use the one where I'm grabbing your hair.
31:29Come on, mister.
31:31You shouldn't dress like this and make a grocery store.
31:34Oh.
31:35Don't let me do it.
31:36Don't let me do it.
31:37Were you really driving here?
31:38I was actually driving, yeah.
31:39I'm actually driving.
31:45This scene hit me so hard.
31:46Oh my God, this one.
31:47Uh oh.
31:48Not a letter.
31:49No.
31:50A contract.
31:51No, this isn't real.
31:52This isn't real.
31:53Oh my God.
31:54My heart is breaking right now.
31:55Well, you left me.
31:56Nope.
31:57I'm single.
31:58Oh.
31:59Get on that app.
32:00Get on them apps.
32:02I'm single.
32:03She's just doing this.
32:05Find that Italian man.
32:06I'm wearing this right now.
32:08Oh.
32:09Oh.
32:10Cutie.
32:11Italy.
32:12Italy.
32:13That's where I walked.
32:14That's where I flew into.
32:15Oh, wow.
32:16This is the very first scene we filmed.
32:18Oh, hottie.
32:20These were locals.
32:21They're so good.
32:22Yeah.
32:23Hey, bellissima.
32:24Bellissima.
32:25A beauty like you belongs in a beautiful place like this.
32:29So true.
32:30Hell yeah, brother.
32:31Hell yeah.
32:33Oh.
32:34He saw the ass.
32:36He knew those cheeks.
32:37I said, that's my ass.
32:38She was like, I know that ass.
32:40I know that ass.
32:41I knew him.
32:42You blew me off for the dungeon, huh?
32:44Oh, and this is where we had like a crowd of people watching.
32:46There's like people, like hundreds of people on each side.
32:48Yeah.
32:49There's a lot.
32:50Like being held off by production.
32:51Oh, shh.
32:52Bite him.
32:53Bite him.
32:54Bite him.
32:55Bite him.
32:56Bite him.
32:57Oh, there he is.
32:58There he is.
32:59Diabolo.
33:00Are you sure you want to go in there?
33:01It's a dungeon.
33:02Well, it doesn't look like a dungeon.
33:03Ooh.
33:04That was like the living room of where we were staying.
33:06Oh, that was so cold this night.
33:08Here you go.
33:09You know, I was there for five and a half days.
33:11Oh.
33:12Oh, he's close.
33:13Yeah.
33:14He's up close and personal.
33:15Bad things happen to good girls.
33:16Oh.
33:17Oh.
33:18Oh.
33:19Lucky for you.
33:20I like good girls.
33:22Oh, no.
33:23Oh.
33:24Is he zaddy?
33:26Oh, yeah.
33:27I forgot he yanks you in by it.
33:28He yanks me.
33:29Oh, this part.
33:30Oh my God.
33:31I don't remember filming this.
33:32Oh, this is actually a really cool shot of the mirror.
33:34Oh.
33:35Look, there you are.
33:37Open this jam.
33:38Oh.
33:39Oh.
33:40There it is.
33:41There it is.
33:42Oh.
33:43Oh.
33:44Oh.
33:45Oh.
33:46Oh.
33:47I look like a psycho.
33:48There looks like there's nothing behind my eyes.
33:49It looks like there's nothing behind your eyes.
33:50Was there nothing behind your eyes?
33:51There never is.
33:53Oh.
33:55First trial is blind devotion.
33:58Okay.
34:00Polka dot surprise.
34:04Did you actually use ice?
34:05Yes.
34:06Oh, yeah.
34:07Wow.
34:08That was my stomach.
34:09Ooh.
34:10Sexy.
34:11It is hot.
34:12Is that the end?
34:13Ah.
34:14I'm going to keep watching.
34:16What the fuck?
34:17Shall we send more?
34:18Okay.
34:19I'll pay real short.
34:20Yeah.
34:22It looks so good.
34:23I'm so proud of you guys.
34:25Congratulations.
34:26Yay.
34:27I'm really excited to see the whole thing.
34:29For sure.
34:30I want to watch the whole thing now.
34:31I know.
34:32You can't tease us like that.
34:34This might sound bad.
34:35You took it away.
34:36I can say this.
34:37Like, there's a lot of times I'll watch a vertical of mine and I'll get to like episode
34:39two.
34:40I'm like, ah, Jesus Christ.
34:41Right.
34:42Right.
34:43For sure.
34:44And then I'm like, I would like this.
34:45I want to keep watching.
34:46Yes.
34:47I want to watch all of this.
34:48That's exciting.
34:49And I feel like this kind of content, the way you guys shot this will just keep elevating
34:52the game.
34:53So then this will do well.
34:54Then a lot of the other verticals have to do just as well.
34:57So it's exciting.
34:58And I'm really proud of you guys.
34:59It looks really, really good.
35:00And you got to go to Italy.
35:01We got to go to Italy.
35:02Yeah.
35:03Take us back.
35:04Everybody.
35:05Yeah.
35:06Please bring us back.
35:07Please.
35:08Yes.
35:09Yes.
35:10Yes.
35:11Yes.
35:12I can't wait to do the premiere for this.
35:13I know.
35:14It's going to be fun.
35:15Because they're going to do like an actual like premiere like you would for a normal film.
35:16Okay.
35:17You know?
35:18And so that'll be fun too, because you know what's funny is my mom was like, I want to come.
35:20I was like, no, you're not coming.
35:21No, my dad was like, I can't wait to watch your Italy wine.
35:24I was like.
35:25You're like, no, no, no, no.
35:26Oh, sir.
35:27No, sir.
35:28Your dad's going to show up in LA with a shotgun.
35:29And he's going to be like, so you ever been to Texas?
35:32He'll be like, yes, I did.
35:33Oh, yeah.
35:34Yeah.
35:35Not for mom and dad or the kids.
35:37My mom can watch it.
35:38My mom.
35:39She's fine.
35:40Yeah.
35:41My dad cannot.
35:42Also, just even for your acting, just to be able to like.
35:44Cook.
35:45Yeah, exactly.
35:46Just marinate, cook, do all the things that you sometimes don't get to do on a normal set.
35:49Yes.
35:50Take a breath.
35:51Really nice.
35:52And I like that.
35:53I don't know if this is going to be the full edit.
35:54Obviously, that was like maybe a first or second pass.
35:56But like they stayed on a shot for more than five seconds, which is breaking vertical code.
36:00Right.
36:01Oh, yeah.
36:02But by doing that, you actually get to see the nuance because like, for example, when
36:05I was doing the red over your head, they stayed on your face for a solid like 10 seconds
36:10and you got to see the change happen within you versus you don't need to cut to me doing this.
36:15Yeah.
36:16You know, like that's not the it gets implied by what's going on.
36:18So the fact that they stayed on you, I hope that that's how they leave it because you
36:21get to see her act in that moment.
36:22Yeah.
36:23Which is really nice.
36:24And but I mean, still, though, we still only did one to two.
36:26There's only one or two takes for everything.
36:27Yeah.
36:28Yeah.
36:29But we were prepared.
36:30And, you know, we'd done this before.
36:31He still let us in those one to two takes just live.
36:34Yeah.
36:35Which was really nice.
36:36Oh, that's so great.
36:37Full moon features, everybody.
36:38Phenomenal.
36:39Full moon features.
36:40The first of many.
36:41Yes.
36:42Well, guys, I think that wraps us up today.
36:44Is there anything you want to say to the fans of where they can follow you?
36:47Just all the fun stuff.
36:48Yeah.
36:49So if the fans want to fund a watch party for the cast back in Italy, we would love that
36:54to be able to go back to the mansion.
36:55We can give our Venmo's and our.
36:57Love.
36:58Love.
36:59No, we really hope you guys enjoy this as much as we like you'll.
37:03I think you see in the performance, like you see how much fun we had.
37:06It was one of both of our favorite projects to film.
37:09Yeah.
37:10Like everyone that's asked us, how was your experience in Italy?
37:12We've I've I've said it's one of like my top three filming experiences ever.
37:16Yeah.
37:17And you can see why.
37:18Yeah.
37:19Yeah.
37:20So, yeah.
37:21Find us on Instagram.
37:22I think most people probably already follow us.
37:23Yeah.
37:24Yeah.
37:25But thank you guys for watching.
37:26I mean, seriously, this is going to be a fun one.
37:27And I just hope you guys enjoy the different change of pace a little bit.
37:30All right.
37:31Thanks, guys.
37:32See you soon.
37:33Bye, guys.
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