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00:00The arrest is the pivotal moment in any investigation.
00:07If you get it wrong, then it's game over.
00:16Police officer with a taser.
00:18Taser, taser, taser!
00:20Taser, taser, taser!
00:26Don't do something!
00:40Everything they're doing is on body-worn video.
00:42Police!
00:44Everything they're doing would be examined by defence lawyers.
00:48They can't make any mistakes.
00:51I haven't done anything wrong!
01:09This video was one of the most surprising admissions of guilt that I've ever seen.
01:15This is not something that they would have been expecting.
01:18It is quite breathtaking.
01:23Sorry.
01:25Police!
01:30There's no one in here at the moment.
01:31Hold on!
01:33The police!
01:34Got it!
01:39Stay where you are!
01:40Stay where you are!
01:41Show your hands!
01:42Stay where you are!
01:43Show your hands!
01:44You here?
01:45Ginny?
01:46Yeah?
01:47Ginny?
01:48Oh.
01:49The time is 12 o'clock.
01:50The time is 12 o'clock.
01:51I'm going to draw a suspicion of murder against Jonathan McCullock and Lars McCullock.
01:54Okay?
01:55Do you not say anything?
01:56But in my home defence...
01:57Can I just take my coffin?
01:58...we're in question.
01:59So I just want anything to do so...
02:01Okay?
02:02I'll call it right.
02:03I'll call it right.
02:04Is there anything in the pocket we should know about?
02:05Yes, there is.
02:06Can I take you to it?
02:07No.
02:08You can tell me.
02:09Can you go in there for a second just to tell you something about what's in there?
02:13Yeah.
02:14Yeah.
02:15Yeah, I'll just tell a second.
02:16The only reason I said I need to tell you something about what's upstairs on the top floor as well.
02:19It's fine.
02:20Yeah, okay.
02:21It's getting quieter.
02:24Is it in here?
02:25Yeah, yeah, yeah.
02:26Just mind your face, obviously.
02:27I'm sorry, lock the phone.
02:28No, it's fine.
02:29I know, but obviously I've got to be careful.
02:33My dad's body isn't there.
02:35Right, okay.
02:36Okay.
02:37Yep, okay.
02:38Obviously I'll say a little bit more complicated.
02:45I've never seen anybody react to an arrest in the way Virginia did on that day.
02:51John and Lois McCulloch are missing, feared dead.
03:10John was aged 70.
03:14He lived with a number of medical conditions.
03:17He had type 2 diabetes and had been prescribed medication.
03:21And Lois, who was 71, she lived with a mild form of obsessive compulsive disorder and agoraphobia as well.
03:29For more than four years, no one had seen the couple.
03:36But when too many health appointments were cancelled, the local GP surgery grew concerned and police were alerted.
03:44Thankfully, the police took that very seriously.
03:47Thankfully, the police took that very seriously.
03:49These are people that are predominantly housebound that are missing.
03:54Now that's a big concern.
03:55Friends and family had received reassuring messages from John and Lois that they'd moved to the seaside.
04:06But phone records now revealed the texts were fakes.
04:10They'd been sent from home.
04:12Despite them saying that they're here, there and everywhere, their phones haven't moved.
04:17So those texts have been sent by somebody else who is in that location.
04:23Home is the last location where John and Lois were seen alive.
04:30The house is an end of terrace property.
04:33It's set over several different floors.
04:37From an officer's perspective, you wouldn't have had a clue what to expect going into that property because no one knew.
04:46It would have been a discussion at a high level within the police force about exactly what would happen.
04:51They would have discussed going and entering the property, protecting any evidence that was there.
04:57They might need protective suits.
04:59All of these considerations were before scenes of crime entered property.
05:04What was crucial was to collect the evidence, preserve the evidence and keep it secure.
05:11If you force an entry into somebody's premises, you have all of the exits covered because people do run away.
05:19They do throw evidence out of windows.
05:21They aim to arrest the only other person who lives at the house.
05:26One of the pieces of equipment they use is commonly called a big red key.
05:44It's basically a ram and the officers will swing it at the weak points of the door.
05:49It looks quite a rudimentary sort of easy tactic to deploy, but actually you have to be trained to do it.
05:58And it works very well.
06:02It does seem a bit like overkill.
06:04You would think, wow, this is a middle-aged woman.
06:07But clearly they were wary, they were worried.
06:10To an outside observer, the police bash the door down, running, shouting and are noisy and aggressive.
06:21The police!
06:22That is controlled aggression.
06:24That's controlled aggression for a purpose.
06:26So they're not going in there pumped full of adrenaline looking for a fight.
06:30They're going in there to be noisy to get compliance.
06:32No one in here at the moment. Hold on.
06:36The police!
06:37Got it.
06:39And one way to do that is almost to go overboard in terms of that controlled aggression and noise and command.
06:48Stay where you are!
06:49Stay where you are!
06:50Bash the door down.
06:51She's got officers behind her, in front of her.
06:53Stay where you are, show your chance.
06:55She could see this was a real taser and it's going to hurt her.
06:58And then if she didn't comply, then they would fire the taser, which basically sends two barbs and an electric current into her body.
07:08She must have been like rabbit in the headlights.
07:10But the whole purpose of that is to get her to the point where she complies immediately with what those officers are going to do.
07:16Jenny?
07:17Yeah.
07:18Jenny?
07:19Oh.
07:20The time is 12.12 and you're enjoying the suspicion of murder against Jonathan McCulloch and Lars McCulloch.
07:26Yeah.
07:27OK.
07:28Do you not say anything about my home defence?
07:29Can I just take my home defence?
07:30No, I just take my home defence.
07:31No, I just take my home defence.
07:33OK.
07:34What I can see at the top left of the screen is a vase with some flowers.
07:38Now, it's probably unlikely that she's going to grab that and use that as a weapon, but she could.
07:42So by putting her in handcuffs, that prevents that from happening.
07:46Is there anything in the problem that we should know about?
07:47Yes, there is.
07:48Can I take you to it?
07:49No, you can tell me.
07:50The officers don't want someone who they've just arrested on suspicion of two counts of
07:55murder wandering around and impacting the crime scene that they'll be investigating.
08:00I need to tell you something about what's upstairs on the top floor as well.
08:03This one, wouldn't I?
08:04OK.
08:05Yep.
08:06First, officers do let Virginia McCulloch return them to the room they smashed their way into
08:13moments earlier.
08:15Oh, my dad's body's in there.
08:17Right, OK.
08:19Yep.
08:20So this would have come as a huge shock to the officers.
08:24The first significant thing she says is, my dad's body is in there.
08:29So this is not something that they would have been expecting.
08:32They might have been expecting some protestations of innocence.
08:35They might be expecting her to say that she's not going to say anything until she gets to
08:40the police station.
08:41But she's immediately indicated that the body is still in the house.
08:45Oh, my dad's body's in there.
08:47Right, OK.
08:48Now, this might be the first time that they realise that the body is still in the house.
08:53And this would have been a huge shock.
08:55But they carry on in a calm, professional way.
08:58Obviously, I'll say...
08:59Where about you, Mum?
09:00Erm, a little bit more complicated.
09:03OK.
09:04Erm, can I...
09:05That's why I said, can I go upstairs and show you...
09:07Right, can you explain it to us, please, because we're trying to preserve...
09:10It's now going to be a scene, so we need to preserve this the best we can.
09:13That house was one big crime scene.
09:17The officers themselves have gone in wearing forensic protection.
09:22There was a balance between being able to secure Virginia safely so they could make the arrest,
09:28and also forensically protect the scene and the evidence within that scene.
09:33Where are we from, Mum?
09:34Erm, OK, so upstairs there are about five wardrobes.
09:38Yep.
09:39Erm, it's behind the bed but back next to the sink.
09:42She's describing now exactly where her mother's body will be found.
09:49She's just saying, in quite the most cold and dispassionate way,
09:55that her mother's in the wardrobe behind the bed by the sink.
09:59It's...it's so bizarre.
10:01It...it...it...it...it's almost unbelievable.
10:04We didn't know her name was Virginia.
10:21We thought it was Jenny.
10:29In a lot of shops, she was making a nuisance of herself.
10:32Just hanging around, really, so she would be in here.
10:36Even if we had customers come in, she would stand at the back out of the way,
10:39but she would just loiter.
10:45I'd call her strange. She was a strange character.
10:49But in here, between just us two, we used to call her Nutty Jenny.
10:56Because she was a bit odd.
10:59To say the least.
11:02But not odd enough to ever dream that she would murder her parents.
11:08Ever.
11:10Police have raided a house in the search for a couple missing for four years.
11:22We first heard about it on Essex Radio.
11:27The police!
11:29Officers are believed to have arrested a 35-year-old woman in Pump Hill,
11:33Great Baddow, near Chelmsford.
11:35They had mentioned Pump Hill, Great Baddow, so then we knew.
11:41Stay where you are!
11:42Stay where you are!
11:44Stay where you are!
11:46We just looked at each other and was like,
11:47Oh my God, that's got to be Nutty Jenny.
11:50The woman's believed to be the daughter of the missing couple.
11:56Right, so I've written.
11:57I, Virginia McCulloch, have informed police constables 77329 Brown and 79387 Bowers after entering my house on Friday the 15th September 2023 that I murdered my father, John McCulloch, who was stated was under a bed in the rear ground floor of the house and my mother upstairs in a cupboard next to the sink.
12:18Wardrobe.
12:19Wardrobe. It's a double wardrobe.
12:20Right, okay, I'll be in cupboard.
12:21It's like four wardrobes, but it's the one nearest the sink, double wardrobe.
12:26After she'd killed her parents, she decided that the bodies had to stay there in the house with her, really chilling.
12:34She went out and bought breeze blocks. Her dad, she kept in the downstairs room, then putting breeze blocks around that in a makeshift mausoleum, which was covered with blankets and photographs.
12:48It just looks like a bed because of the way in which she wrapped and then protected the body in the sleeping bag in 11 layers of plastic, sealed him up against all of the factors that accelerate decomposition.
13:07There was no smell, no leakage, none of the things that you would expect from a decomposing body.
13:11She will have had to carry those breeze blocks up several flights of stairs to be able to partially conceal the wardrobe that she'd put her mum's body in as well.
13:22And again, she lived with her mum in that house, taped up, wrapped up in that wardrobe for over four years.
13:30It is surprising that there wasn't that much of a spell. However, the way that she entombed her parents, she made sure that there was no air that was able to get in.
13:45The McCullochs had lived not too far from the parade of shops. They were very well recognised in the local area.
13:51Virginia, who was their youngest daughter, was effectively their carer.
13:59She would apply for credit cards in her father's name. She applied for the early release of her father's pension.
14:06You know, any way that she could get her hands on their money, she would.
14:11Also in the handbag as well, there's, erm, it, and again, cos you're probably going to need to know about it, there's a card in there, um, card on money.
14:25Um, and, erm, that's a bank card, where, erm, there's, erm, a lot of transactions that have taken place over the last few years.
14:37What?
14:38Er, for the money that pertains to my parents.
14:42John and Lois seemed to think that they were losing money, that their money was kind of disappearing, hemorrhaging almost.
14:47Er, and they spoke to Virginia about this.
14:50But she would always have an excuse, always have a reason, to give her parents the impression that she was on top of this,
14:57and she was going to get their money back for them.
15:02Virginia was heavily involved in online gambling.
15:05Using a lot of the money that belonged to her parents.
15:09She'd basically stole about £150,000 from her parents.
15:18I think Virginia's lies were starting to catch up with her, and she knew that the game was up.
15:24So, she planned for about three months that the only way to continue with the life that she'd created for herself at her parents' expense was to kill them.
15:33She started to experiment with levels of medicines in drinks.
15:40She bought crushing equipment so she could reduce tablets to powder so that they could be secreted in drinks.
15:47On the night of the poisoning, Virginia decided this was it, and she was going to kill her parents that night.
16:02Some things fell in her favour.
16:03Firstly, her parents slept in separate rooms.
16:06So, if one was affected quicker than the other, then they wouldn't know.
16:12So, John, her father, was in the habit of having a Guinness and a brandy before he went to bed.
16:18Both quite strongly flavoured drinks, so could easily disguise medicines.
16:23She crushed down some pills and drugs and mixed them into his drinks and sent him off to bed to die.
16:36She'd also put that cocktail with no prescription drugs into a drink for her mum.
16:41Virginia then went off to bed, satisfied that her parents would not survive the night.
16:46Virginia woke up at six o'clock.
16:55She went to her father's room, and sure enough, there he was, lying in his bed, still lifeless.
17:03He was dead, her plan had worked.
17:08She then went to her mother's room, and to her absolute shock and surprise,
17:13she saw her mum sitting up in bed, set of headphones in, listening to the radio.
17:20It hadn't worked.
17:22What on earth had gone wrong?
17:25When she looked at the spiked drink, she realised her mother hadn't finished it.
17:29She hadn't consumed enough of this murderous liquid to kill her.
17:36And she's now going to have to rely on her back-up plan,
17:39which is a far more violent way of killing someone that she should have been loving and caring for.
17:46Obviously, if she left her mother alive,
17:49her mother would know that her father had been poisoned and killed,
17:54and there was only one person that could do it.
17:56Her mum had to die.
17:58Requested by Central Convention.
17:59And that's when she got the hammer.
18:01...is in reaction to heightened tensions between...
18:04She went back to the room,
18:06and started attacking her mum about the head with this hammer.
18:14Chillingly, she would go on to describe that as being like playing the xylophone.
18:19Horrific description of killing anyone, let alone your own mother.
18:23Her mum looking up at her daughter, who should have been there to love and care for her,
18:29knowing that actually this person would be taking her life.
18:34And then she suddenly had a thought.
18:36This was getting too messy, it was too difficult, it was too violent.
18:42She then retrieved a knife from the kitchen.
18:45Came back to the room and stabbed her mother eight times,
18:50seven of them in the chest.
18:52Essex police have confirmed that officers today arrested the daughter
18:56of a couple missing for four years.
18:59Virginia McCulloch is suspected of murdering her parents.
19:03The purpose of your arrest is for a prompt effective investigation,
19:07as well as by questioning you.
19:09We can't do that here. It needs to be done at a police station, all right?
19:11I did know that this would kind of come eventually,
19:16and it's proper that I serve my punishment, so...
19:22..yeah.
19:27She was resigned to her fate,
19:32but this extraordinary arrest still wasn't over.
19:35What's significant there's all written down there, here now,
19:40I've just read out to you.
19:41Are you happy to sign that, to say that's a true account?
19:43Yeah.
19:44Yeah.
19:54Cheer up, at least you've got the bad guy.
19:57Cheer up, at least you've got the bad guy.
20:02It's just so cold and so heartless.
20:06I've got no idea where that comes from in a human being.
20:10It's almost like she's trying to reassure him
20:14that this isn't quite as bad as you thought it was.
20:18It's actually terrible. It's terrible.
20:21Yet she's trying to make light of the situation.
20:23Cheer up, at least you've got the bad guy.
20:26I'm just waking up today and done my job.
20:29Then the end of that sentence...
20:32I'm just waking up today and done my job.
20:34No.
20:36It's not alive.
20:38But we all...
20:40You don't look like what? I don't look like a double killer.
20:42I don't look like someone who'd kill my parents.
20:44I don't look like somebody who'd hide bodies away for four years.
20:48I'm not going to comment on anything.
20:49It's not my job to comment on it, OK?
20:52He's absolutely right not to engage with her in that way.
20:54He's remained completely professional and detached from her
21:00and what's going on in front of him.
21:02She's making admissions, unbidden admissions,
21:06and that anything that he says at all,
21:09either to influence her to talk more
21:11or to validate her attitude and views
21:14could be detrimental to the investigation.
21:17No, well, I mean, I deserve to obviously get whatever's coming sentence-wise
21:23because that's the right thing to do.
21:25You killed your parents.
21:26You stole their money.
21:27You lied for years to everybody.
21:28And you're considering the sentence that you might get given because it's the right thing to do.
21:33There is no connect at all with what she's done.
21:34A woman has pleaded guilty to murdering her mother and father.
21:39Virginia McCulloch, age 37, of Great Baddow, Essex,
21:42concealed her parents' bodies for more than two years.
21:44Virginia McCulloch, age 37, of Great Baddow, Essex,
21:45concealed her parents' bodies for more than four years.
21:49Jailing McCulloch for a minimum 36 years, the judge told her,
21:53A woman has pleaded guilty to murdering her mother and father.
22:01Virginia McCulloch, aged 37, of Great Baddow, Essex,
22:06concealed her parents' bodies for more than four years.
22:13Jailing McCulloch for a minimum 36 years,
22:16the judge told her,
22:18your parents were entitled to feel safe in their own beds,
22:22in their own home and from their own daughter.
22:30Yeah, she brought quite a few decorative things from here,
22:34like the jug that could be seen in the footage with the police cam.
22:41It was like a little ceramic jug with some lavender flowers on it
22:45and it had some little gypsophilia artificial buds inside.
22:48And she'd got it perched on the bottom of the baluster,
22:50which was a really weird place to put it
22:52because I thought you were going to look it over.
22:54And then in the kitchen, there was this tall, skinny, pink glass vase
22:59that she'd bought from us as well.
23:01All I was seeing was stuff that she'd bought from us
23:03and it was just weird seeing it there.
23:08It's just sheer, utter disbelief, really,
23:11that she was living there with bodies for, what, four years?
23:18She was living there with her own home and she was living there with her.
23:22Cheer up, at least you thought the bad guy.
23:26If I was involved in this investigation,
23:28I would never forget this for the rest of my life.
23:30This would be one of those standout investigations
23:32that I would take to the grave.
23:36It's so bizarre.
23:39The way in which it pans out after the arrest
23:42is just like something I've never seen or heard of before.
23:47And I...
23:48I cannot imagine any of those officers will ever forget the day
23:53that they went through the door and found and heard what they did.
23:57Because it's just beyond my experience,
24:05and I would suggest the vast majority of police officers' experience
24:09across this country.
24:27It's a really delicate situation.
24:40They really don't want to disturb the normal school morning.
24:46But they have to arrest this man
24:48with as minimal disruption as possible.
24:52To keep the arrest low-key, officers, mainly female,
24:59are wearing civilian clothes, but concealing a body camera.
25:05The body camera is very important
25:07in case the footage is needed at a subsequent trial.
25:11In this case, it was.
25:14The location, a primary school on the outskirts of town.
25:19It was just before the start of the school day.
25:24There are pupils in the area, there are parents in the area.
25:26They all know Greg Hill.
25:29You certainly don't see many arrests outside the school,
25:32let alone of a headmaster.
25:34I think the reason that most of the officers were women
25:38is to try and blend in.
25:42They wouldn't look out of place at the school.
25:45Police officers probably, I would suggest, go there,
25:50thinking, this is going to be quite an easy arrest.
25:53He's a headmaster.
25:54He's an educated person with no criminal record.
25:58It's probably going to be a case of, we'll arrest him,
26:00put him in a car, go back to the police station,
26:02and it'll all be done very, very low-key.
26:04Hello there, is it Mr Hill?
26:08Yeah.
26:08Hello, Mr Hill.
26:09I'm in PC Hollington for Kingston Police Station.
26:11Yeah.
26:11The time is 8.50.
26:12I do need to arrest you.
26:13It's in relation to stalking, causing serious alarm and distress.
26:17I don't know if there's anything, but it may harm your defence.
26:18If you do not mention one question,
26:20something which you later line in court.
26:21No, I know that.
26:21Anything you do say, never give it, never do it.
26:23Just stop, I haven't stalked anyone, I've done anything,
26:25but I do need to phone my union.
26:28I need to go inside, I need to phone my union.
26:29No, no, I'm sorry.
26:31Mr Hill, Mr Hill, Mr Hill.
26:34When someone is first arrested for a crime,
26:38they can react in a number of different ways.
26:41One way that I used to see an awful lot
26:43is people would try and talk their way out of it.
26:45I can say some words that will stop this happening,
26:48I can make it go away.
26:51The headmaster is now under arrest
26:54for stalking a junior female teacher.
26:56I do need to phone my union, I need to go inside,
26:58I need to phone my union.
26:59No, no, no, I'm sorry.
27:01Mr Hill, Mr Hill, Mr Hill.
27:03One of your rights,
27:05listen, I'm not assaulting you.
27:06You are under arrest, I don't, listen,
27:09we are giving you professional courtesy.
27:11Can I just go inside?
27:12No, you are under arrest.
27:12Please listen, we have given you professional courtesy.
27:15I agree, but can I just go inside?
27:16We have not come in police to you before.
27:18Okay, just say, okay, listen, we'll not use...
27:21One of your legal rights is to have a phone call
27:23and that can be the use.
27:23Can you just take your hand off me?
27:24You were starting to walk away, sir, all right?
27:26You are under arrest.
27:27Just take your hand off me, first of all.
27:28Just take your hand off me.
27:29You were causing a scene
27:30and we didn't want to do that, okay?
27:31No, that's fine, I'm not causing a scene.
27:32My colleagues are going to take you.
27:33You could have waited in school.
27:34You could have waited in school.
27:35We are in plain clothes
27:36and we wanted to wait outside
27:37because we didn't want to go into the school
27:39in front of all of your staff.
27:39So, Mr Hill says, you've assaulted me, meaning you've touched me.
27:54But they're quite within their rights.
27:56He's been arrested.
27:57They are allowed to use reasonable force
27:59in order to control him, to restrain him.
28:02And the fact he's trying to walk away
28:04and they're holding his arm, more than reasonable.
28:07They're not assaulting him.
28:08He just doesn't like it.
28:10Okay, but I haven't done anything wrong.
28:12That's fine.
28:12We will talk to you about this at interview.
28:13And you could have done this at my house.
28:15You didn't need to come to my school to do this.
28:17She started to walk away.
28:18I haven't walked away.
28:19I'm still by my car.
28:19Could you just turn around the camera, please?
28:21I'm going to start filming now.
28:25Officers standing by in case of emergency are alerted.
28:30When somebody resists arrest,
28:32sometimes you will see a situation
28:35where you get a lot of police officers
28:37coming in and trying to control that person.
28:40Now, he is quite a big fella.
28:42That backup would be needed
28:44so that Mr Hill can be arrested
28:46in a way that he doesn't get hurt
28:48and the officers don't get hurt.
28:50I'm going to start filming now
28:51because you can see I'm still by my car.
28:53No, don't touch my phone.
28:56That says the backup coming in.
28:58No, don't touch my phone.
28:59The number of officers certainly increases at this point.
29:02Don't touch my phone.
29:04Mr Hill is going to know at this point
29:05why he's being arrested.
29:07He's also going to understand what is on his phone
29:09and there will be evidence on there
29:11that would back up what the teacher is saying.
29:14Don't touch my phone.
29:15Don't touch my phone.
29:17Do not touch my phone.
29:19It isn't just this is my personal information on there.
29:22There's also incriminating stuff on there.
29:24Don't touch my phone.
29:25Don't touch my phone.
29:33The junior teacher started at Howard Junior School
29:35and it was not too long after that
29:40that Greg Hill started contacting her via Twitter.
29:47It became more and more personal.
29:50He started to believe that he had fallen in love with her
29:53and this made her feel uncomfortable
29:55and it was unwanted contact.
29:57The unmarried headmaster, aged 48, texted the 22-year-old teacher,
30:06can't wait to see this smile,
30:08this beautiful face and wonderful person tomorrow.
30:12I'd love to build a future for us in school
30:14and outside of school.
30:15He'd quickly become very obsessed with this member of staff.
30:20You know, things had been ramped up quite a lot.
30:24Out of your pocket.
30:26No, do not touch me.
30:27Take that off me.
30:28Stop.
30:28Take that off me now.
30:29Mr Hill.
30:30Take that off me now.
30:31You're on the floor.
30:31We don't want that.
30:33Come on.
30:33Just calm yourself down.
30:34We are trying to...
30:35We are trying to...
30:35Let go of the handcuff.
30:36Take that off me.
30:37Take that off me.
30:38Do not put your...
30:39You're going to break my finger.
30:40In the police, there's an expression,
30:49you plan for the worst but hope for the best.
30:51I don't think these officers would have been expected
30:53in a situation where very quickly
30:55things are starting to get out of control
30:57and they don't want to be in a position
31:00where they're having to manhandle
31:02a headteacher in front of the pupils of that school
31:04and the parents.
31:05We've got no set handcuffs.
31:05At the moment, we're going to be...
31:06Right, we're going to be further resisting arrest now.
31:09I'm not resisting arrest.
31:09You're holding onto the handcuffs.
31:12You are already under arrest, okay?
31:14Calm yourself down.
31:15What, do you want to go to the car for?
31:18Yeah, that's fine.
31:18I'm going to search you now.
31:20I haven't...
31:20You're getting put in handcuffs as well now
31:21because you've been...
31:22You've already been off-ropped it.
31:24You're not doing that in front of my parents.
31:25You've made this happen, Mr Hill.
31:26We didn't want this to happen.
31:28I haven't made this happen.
31:29I'm buying my car.
31:30They're trying to assault me.
31:31Please, please, if you're watching this video,
31:33don't let them delete it.
31:34Mr Hill.
31:34Don't let them delete this video.
31:36Don't let them delete this video.
31:37What are you doing?
31:38Oh, my goodness.
31:39Please, Hill.
31:39I need to...
31:40No, I need to make a phone call to the police.
31:42You're assaulting.
31:43You're hurting my wrists.
31:44You're going to break my wrists.
31:45You're going to break my wrists.
31:46Calm yourself down.
31:47No.
31:58Could you just turn around the camera, please?
32:01Don't touch my phone.
32:04They're trying to assault me, please.
32:08If you're watching this video,
32:09don't let them delete it.
32:10Don't let them delete it.
32:10Mr Hill.
32:10Don't let them delete this video.
32:12Don't let them delete this video.
32:13What do you do?
32:16In Kings Lynn, Norfolk,
32:18primary school head teacher Gregory Hill
32:20is being arrested on suspicion
32:22of stalking a junior female colleague.
32:25You're assaulting.
32:26You're hurting my wrists.
32:27You're going to break my wrists.
32:29But as parents drop off their children
32:30at the school gate,
32:32the headmaster is not going quietly.
32:34No, I need to make a phone call to the police.
32:38You're assaulting.
32:39You're hurting my wrists.
32:40You're going to break my wrists.
32:41You're going to break my wrists.
32:41Calm yourself down.
32:41No.
32:42You're assaulting me.
32:44Ah!
32:45Help me!
32:46Please, somebody call the police!
32:48At one point,
32:49Greg Hill shouts out,
32:50call the police,
32:51and they're applying,
32:53we are the police.
32:54Help me, please!
32:55Right, we're going to have to get Mark's call here.
32:58I don't care!
32:58I've done nothing wrong!
33:00Help me, please!
33:01Can we get a van?
33:02Please!
33:03I've been assaulted!
33:04I want your badge number!
33:05Absolutely you can.
33:06You're assaulting me!
33:07You can have all the badge numbers you need.
33:09So the best thing to do in the circumstance
33:10where he's demanding their badge number
33:13is just calmly, politely,
33:16just tell them their name
33:17because ultimately he's going to know
33:19the name of the person that's arrested them.
33:21What's your badge number?
33:22This is really 1908.
33:23Right, 190 is a complete and utter lie
33:26and I hate police corruption.
33:28It's one of the worst things I hate.
33:29He's groping around
33:30to try and find something
33:33that will stop the officers doing what they're doing.
33:35They're not going to
33:36because they're there to do a job.
33:37He needs to be arrested.
33:39Then I'm not going to go anywhere.
33:41Well, you are going to be coming with us, mate,
33:43because you've been placed under the arrest.
33:44Yeah, he'll put it on.
33:45But we want to get you up off the wet floor.
33:47I want this recorded in court!
33:48It is recorded!
33:49It is recorded!
33:50Then you're going to get a sack over this!
33:52I'm going to go to professional standards!
33:54You used to be a police officer myself, you idiot!
33:57OK.
33:57The officers may or may not have known
33:59that Mr Hill was, at some point,
34:03a special constable.
34:04The fact that he tells them that
34:06is not going to change anything.
34:08Mr Hill, kick it!
34:10Do not kick!
34:10Ow!
34:23So after the queen died,
34:26thousands of people were coming to Sandringham
34:28to leave flowers.
34:30Paddington bears and corgis.
34:32I went myself and there was a sea of flowers.
34:38I've never seen anything like it.
34:42Greg Hill decided to take 20 to 30 pupils every day
34:47to Sandringham to lay flowers and tributes.
34:50And at that time, Kate went over
34:53to one of the children from the school
34:55who was quite tearful and comforted her.
34:58Showing sympathy, Kate encouraged the little girl
35:03to share her feelings for the late queen.
35:07Do you want to pick your teddies down there, too?
35:10And they went and put a tribute down together.
35:15Mr Hill was very excited about that.
35:18He posted about that on social media quite a lot
35:21and got in touch with us.
35:24And I think it was a story that was picked up nationally
35:26that this little girl had been helped by Kate
35:30and it was someone from Howard Junior School.
35:33Prince William came and spoke to some of the children.
35:36They'd made this Paddington bear tribute for the queen.
35:39Do you like Paddington?
35:40Yeah.
35:41Did you see the skit with Paddington and my grandmother?
35:43Yeah.
35:43Yeah, absolutely.
35:45It's nice to see you guys.
35:47I'm the head teacher.
35:51Hello, everyone.
35:52Mr Hill was always quite keen to be involved
35:55in those media opportunities.
35:57So what we didn't know at that point
35:59was the fact that the junior teacher
36:02had been urged to go along
36:05every single day that any children went.
36:08Five days in a row,
36:10he insisted on taking this junior teacher along with him,
36:14despite having other teachers available
36:16and despite her saying that she would rather,
36:19on certain days,
36:20stay behind with her year class to get to know them.
36:24It felt inappropriate to the victim
36:28because she said that she felt it was widening a gap
36:32that had already started to appear between her
36:34and some of the other members of staff.
36:37She felt that she was being segregated
36:39from those members of staff.
36:41She felt that he was trying to isolate her,
36:45a classic abuse of power.
36:47Over the next five months,
36:58Hill's harassment continued.
37:00Then he made a critical error.
37:02He was seen taking a photograph off her car
37:07while this victim was celebrating her dad's birthday.
37:12After more than a year of the harassment,
37:15the victim has had enough.
37:16First, her case was taken to her regional union representative.
37:27When I took the phone call, I was in absolute shock.
37:30One of the first things she asked was,
37:32is there any evidence?
37:33And she said, yes, there is evidence.
37:35He's been messaging using Messenger and Facebook.
37:38And I was like, wow.
37:41The union told police
37:42this was just the latest of many complaints
37:45by young female teachers who had worked for Greg Hill.
37:50I contacted about 20 ex-members of staff,
37:54people that had been silenced by Greg,
37:56and started gathering statements.
37:59There was a lot of terror as well
38:01because he'd terrified them that he would end their career
38:04because his position of power and status.
38:06He'd always been really careful
38:08that his behaviour's got more erratic
38:10and a little bit more dangerous
38:11and a little bit more out of control.
38:16Help me, please!
38:18I've done that bit wrong!
38:19Help me, please!
38:20I've been assaulted!
38:22I want your badge number!
38:23Absolutely, you can't.
38:24You've assaulted me!
38:26Help me!
38:27You're going to get a sack over this!
38:30I've been going to professional standard
38:31if you used to be a police officer myself, you idiot!
38:34OK.
38:34There comes a point in these situations
38:37where, you know, no matter what you say,
38:40your words are just not going to be listened to,
38:43they're not going to cooperate,
38:45and they've reached this point now
38:46where, essentially, they're having to pick Mr Hill up
38:50and carry him to the police van.
38:53Very undignified.
38:54He's given them no choice.
38:56What's his head?
39:01Drop in.
39:02He's resisting.
39:03Stop.
39:04Mr Hill, this is unnecessary.
39:06I can't breathe.
39:07Sit up.
39:08This is ridiculous.
39:09Sit up, because if you can't breathe,
39:10you need to sit up, don't you?
39:12Or we'll just put you in the recovery position, then,
39:13and we'll just leave you on.
39:14I think he's now started to pretend to be unconscious.
39:20Oh, no!
39:21Oh, no!
39:21Oh, oh!
39:22Oh, please help me, somebody!
39:25This is like that Floyd!
39:26This is an assault!
39:28This is like that George Floyd in America!
39:30When he brings up George Floyd,
39:32he, again, is trying to get control back from his officers.
39:36You can almost imagine him in his mind,
39:39what can I do now?
39:40I've threatened them,
39:41what can I do now to try and gain control of this situation?
39:44Miss Hill, you can either choose to get in the van,
39:46or we can bring some more units down here
39:47and we can carry you.
39:48That's up to you,
39:48but then you're deprived things instead of covering.
39:50That is just ridiculous, all of this.
39:52No, that's not your actions that are depriving you.
39:53No, it isn't.
39:53I've been assaulted.
39:54Look at the state of me.
39:55Yeah.
39:56Well, that's your own fault for not cooperating, isn't it?
39:58I would judge you assault people
39:59if they try and just say,
40:01look, I'm innocent,
40:02and just let me just come with dignity.
40:03Mr Hill, Mr Hill.
40:04You assault them terribly,
40:05do you?
40:06You've assaulted me terribly.
40:11Stop biting.
40:12Stop biting.
40:14Mr Hill.
40:15Oh, Mr Hill.
40:17What he's actually doing is biting himself.
40:18He's biting his lip in order to draw blood.
40:22An obvious attempt to try and make it look like
40:24he's being hurt by the officers.
40:27Imagine if that video wasn't there
40:28and he goes back to the police station
40:30and says, look what they've done.
40:31Look what they did to me.
40:33Well, actually, you did that to yourself, Mr Hill,
40:34when it's on the video.
40:36So that's why those body-worn videos
40:37are so important
40:38to make it clear to everybody else later on
40:41exactly what's happening there.
40:42This feels what I'm saying.
40:44Don't spit in my face.
40:45Don't spit in my face.
40:47Jailing a Norfolk headteacher today for harassment.
40:57A judge described video footage of his arrest as bizarre.
41:01You're going to break my finger.
41:02Let go of the hangar.
41:03You're going to break my finger.
41:04You're going to break my finger.
41:04You're going to break my finger.
41:04You've insulted me.
41:05You're going to have all the badge numbers you need.
41:07There's no need.
41:08I can't feel my arm.
41:10You've broken my watch.
41:12I've been assaulted.
41:13I've got my wrist broken.
41:15I've got my foot broken.
41:16You should have done that to me.
41:18Mr Hill, come on.
41:19OK, well...
41:19You've committed an offence yourself
41:21and now you've insulted me.
41:22Well, we're going to have to carry you, aren't we?
41:24No, you've got to kill me.
41:25It's more of a scene.
41:25Well, we're not going to kill you, are we?
41:26That's just silly.
41:28The trainee teacher told the court that Hill was
41:30always hounding me with messages and emails late at night.
41:35She lived in fear of seeing him.
41:38But still, her ordeal wasn't over.
41:44An Norfolk headteacher who served 20 weeks in jail
41:47is back behind bars tonight
41:49after breaching a stalking protection order.
41:52Gregory Hill of Kings Lynn defied his order
41:55by posting online photographs of a trainee teacher
41:58he'd been stalking.
42:00Hill was returned to jail for six months.
42:04For years, there had been rumours about Greg Hill,
42:07but never enough evidence.
42:09The teachers' union was so concerned,
42:12it persuaded trainees to steer clear of him.
42:16I emailed young teachers across Norfolk
42:19and advised them not to take up a job.
42:21There must have been about 20 young female teachers
42:24that must have not applied or taken a job there.
42:27This could have got a lot worse,
42:29so I'm glad we did stop it when we could.
42:31Come on!
42:32No!
42:32No!
42:33Mr Hill, no!
42:35They're not there!
42:36The fact that he was arrested within the domain of his school,
42:39I believe, was a huge factor in his behaviour.
42:42They're trying to assault me, please!
42:44That, I believe, is what's really sparked this behaviour
42:47and caused him to act like he did.
42:49You're hurting my wrists!
42:50You're going to break my wrists!
42:52These videos are really impactful
42:54to give a glimpse of the real Mr Hill.
42:57When somebody goes to trial,
42:59what they do is they try to present themselves
43:01to the judge as,
43:03I'm a reasonable person.
43:04So that video would have been hugely impactful
43:07for the prosecution
43:09to give a real glimpse of what he's like.
43:11You tried to hurt me!
43:13You've rubbed my heart!
43:13You put these cuffs on too tight!
43:15That's assault!
43:16You've assaulted me!
43:18Come on!
43:18No!
43:19We're here!
43:19No!
43:20Mr Hill, no!
43:20No!
43:21They're not there!
43:41No!
43:50No!
43:51No!
43:51No!
43:51No!
43:53No!
43:54No!
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