Traitors winner shares how to master ultimate game of deceit

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00:00Unless you've been tracked down by the TV-licensed Boogeyman,

00:02you're probably watching the celebrity traitors.

00:04You know what celebrities are like? They're two-faced.

00:07Everyone's favourite game of double, triple, quadruple bluff is back.

00:11And it's juicier than ever.

00:12This is by far the best season of the traitors we've ever seen.

00:15Imagine all your favourite national treasures being openly duplicitous

00:19and stabbing each other in the back.

00:21Amazing.

00:22Basically the golden age of British TV.

00:24Who knew that the thing to finally unite the nation would be a fart from Celia Imri?

00:28If you want to avoid spoilers, then this is your final warning.

00:31Otherwise, let's have a recap of who's been banished so far.

00:34We started with 19 contestants and now we're down to the final few.

00:37The BBC, understandably, are keeping things locked down as severely as Winkleman's Fringe.

00:42We didn't even get a press preview this week.

00:44So you'll have to excuse the super high production value of this graphic

00:48that I definitely didn't have to make this morning after last night's banishment.

00:52To get the inside scoop on how to play the ultimate game of deceit,

00:56who better to talk to than the greatest traitor of all time.

01:00Harry Clark from season two of the Traitors.

01:02Harry, thank you so much for joining us today.

01:05Thank you for having me.

01:06I mean, I would have loved to have been there in person,

01:08but I turned up yesterday.

01:10As soon as I put my jacket down to sit down,

01:12and when we was going to record,

01:13the whole building fire alarm started going off.

01:15So then we had to be rushed outside,

01:17which is where we met in a wet alleyway.

01:19Behind the building in an alleyway while it was raining.

01:24Yeah, we'd done the whole interview and chat and caught up on life.

01:27Yeah, it was kind of a mad one, to be fair.

01:29A few moments later.

01:31I would love it if you could give us like a little bit of a Traitors Masterclass

01:34on like, how do you play the ultimate game of deception like you did?

01:39Firstly, you go in there with true intention.

01:40So you're going in there to play the Traitors.

01:42So for me, it was always like,

01:44everyone needs to have an opinion of who it is.

01:45I don't blame you.

01:47You know, it's nothing against you.

01:48You think it's me, that's fine.

01:49But I think it's Paul because he just said this and this and this.

01:52What do you think about that?

01:53So it was always playing them off on each other.

01:55And that would be my top tip going into the Traitors.

01:57It's like, you have to be quite good at stirring the pot.

02:00I think you have to be willing to make your move to check the King.

02:03No, Ron, no!

02:05Now, I love the Traitors as much as the next person,

02:08but let's be honest, nobody's here for the challenges.

02:11I can't be the only one who went to make a cup of tea

02:13when Claudia rolled out that Trojan horse.

02:15The real reason we all watch the Traitors?

02:17The roundtables.

02:18That's where the fingerless gloves come off

02:20and the players vote to banish a suspected Traitor.

02:22And I think next time she goes snooping,

02:24she should look in the mirror.

02:25And it's here that the show really delivers

02:27its best and most memeable moments.

02:29I mean, A star for Alan Carr's GCSE drama performance this season.

02:33It was a stretch for my acting ability.

02:36I don't know how Meryl Streep does it.

02:37How do you see the Traitors this season?

02:39Like, who's been playing the best game for you?

02:41Obviously, they're completely different to me

02:42because I would have backstabbed everyone else in that turret by now.

02:46Alan Carr, obviously, I think he's so bad, he's good.

02:48You know, like, in the sense that he's got this aura about him

02:52and this persona where it's like,

02:53you could ask him if he's a traitor and he'd go,

02:55yeah, babe, I'll murder you tonight.

02:56And then you just wouldn't even think it's him.

02:58So, like, he gets away with it.

02:59And then Kat Burns has done amazing at just being quiet

03:01and sort of just guiding her way through.

03:04Do you find it hard watching at home?

03:05Because you kind of sat there thinking,

03:07come on, guys, it's so simple.

03:08Like, you just need to do this, this, and this,

03:10and this is what I would do if I wasn't there.

03:12Yeah, but then I'm also sat at home

03:14knowing that it's completely different

03:16when you're there playing the game.

03:18You know, it's like watching a boxing fight on TV.

03:20It's like, oh, you should throw this one, throw that.

03:22And it's like, well, you're not actually in the ring doing it.

03:23Now, I'll admit, I was a little sceptical

03:25of this celebrity version at first.

03:27In the first few episodes,

03:28we could see everybody being very nicey-nicey with each other.

03:32And there's something to be said for the civilian seasons.

03:34Like, just regular people with nothing to lose,

03:37just going for the jugular.

03:38But I'm sorry, you're shifty as hell tonight.

03:41Celebs, on the other hand,

03:42they have publicists to think about,

03:44not to mention brand deals.

03:45It might be a little tricky calling Joe Marler a liar

03:47and then asking him to go on your podcast.

03:49I'm a grown man. What the hell am I doing?

03:51Do you think that there's an element

03:53that fame works against you in this game?

03:56Did it kind of give you a bit of an advantage,

03:58like working under a bit of anonymity?

04:00Probably. I mean, I don't know how they would be.

04:03Like, for example, if it was me,

04:04I'd get rid of my mate straight away.

04:06If it was me and Paul going back,

04:07I'd backstab him straight away.

04:08There's no friends in that game.

04:10Just like Alan did to Paloma, I guess.

04:12That was the perfect move.

04:13Obviously, there's all these reports of, like,

04:15Alan and Paloma have had this falling out

04:17since the whole thing.

04:18I find that hard to watch without thinking about

04:20that piece of cinema

04:21in the finale of season two that you were in,

04:24where you betrayed Molly.

04:25I am, and since the start,

04:28being a traitor.

04:31Oh, my f***ing God.

04:32What would be your advice for contestants

04:34dealing with, like,

04:36the fallout of those kind of intense

04:38on-screen relationships?

04:39Molly, for example, was amazing.

04:41She was like, you know,

04:42I'm just happy I got this far.

04:43And if anyone deserved to win, it was you.

04:45So it's like,

04:46when you have people like that,

04:47it makes it way easier for you

04:48because it is just a game.

04:50And I think if you're falling out

04:51with someone over it,

04:52then maybe you need to, like,

04:54grow up a little bit, you know?

04:55Like, it's not really

04:57something to fall out with people over.

05:00You've become, like,

05:01a national treasure

05:02kind of in your own right

05:03since the traitors.

05:04If you were asked to go on

05:05a celebrity season of the traitors,

05:06would you do it?

05:07Obviously, I would love to go back.

05:09Like, I watch it all of the time

05:10and I watch the celebrity series

05:12and I'm like,

05:12oh, my gosh, I wish I was there

05:13because I would have done this

05:14or I would have done that.

05:15But then it's also one of them things

05:16of, like,

05:16no one's ever going to trust me again.

05:18If anyone knows who I am

05:19or has ever seen me play the traitors,

05:21they're getting rid of me

05:22no matter what.

05:23There's nothing I can say for myself.

05:25What are your favourite moments

05:26from this season?

05:27What's been Jonathan Ross'

05:28most outrageous outfit?

05:29Which, by the way,

05:30surely has got to be

05:31a tactic in itself, right?

05:32Who's your top pick to win?

05:34Drop it in the comments below

05:35along with any predictions

05:36you have for the final.

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