BJP's National Spokesperson Tuhin Sinha raises serious questions about the Congress party's stance on SIR and illegal voters in India. In this exclusive, Sinha discusses allegations that Congress may be enabling the presence of illegal voters in the electoral rolls, impacting the integrity of elections. He also speaks on development issues in Bihar, fielding of candidates with criminal background and much more. Watch.
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00:00For a discussion on Bihar elections, my guest today is Tuhin Sinha. He's a national spokesperson
00:14of the Bharatiya Janata Party. Tuhin, thank you so much for speaking with AsiaNet News.
00:20Ahead of assembly elections, yesterday we saw that Rahul Gandhi led a scathing attack on Prime
00:26Minister Narendra Modi. He actually went on to say that BJP will do anything to get votes in Bihar,
00:32including performing Bharat Nakayam. Your response to that?
00:35Great to be on your show, Hina. Well, as far as Rahul Gandhi is concerned, you know,
00:41all his speeches nowadays reek of abject despondency and frustration. So after 49, 59 days when he
00:48comes to Bihar, one would have expected him to conduct himself with more dignity and be abreast
00:54of be aware of, you know, the latest ground issues. But when you're not aware of it and
01:00when you are still in a holiday mood, holiday mode, you end up speaking like a goon, which
01:05is what Rahul Gandhi did. Now, the fact is, this guy has always, you know, you know, his
01:10battle in Bihar is with Tejasvi, honestly. And in fact, the entire SIR issue which he has
01:17been raising, even he knew that there was not an iota of truth in his allegations. So after
01:22the last press conference that he had on SIR, where he kept, on 18th September, where he
01:27kept threatening that he would explode a hydrogen bomb, but eventually had to fact check himself
01:33on Arlandh details, where, you know, barely three hours after the press conference, he
01:38completely changed his tweet and said, had vote rigging, had vote jury happened, this
01:43would have happened or whatever. He disappeared to Colombia. I don't know what he went to
01:48Colombia for or whether he went to Colombia. Now when he returns after a long holiday and
01:53a long period of abstinence and absence, of course, you know, in the interregnum, we saw
02:01RJD and Congress battling it out between themselves, Congress leaders being beaten up. So Rahul Gandhi
02:08is somebody who, you know, is nowhere in the game in Bihar. In fact, Congress party has been
02:14a non-entity in Bihar for the last three decades, apart from, you know, Uttar Pradesh, apart from
02:19Gujarat. Bihar is the third state where Congress party is an absolute non-entity. It can't move
02:25ahead. It can't, you know, cross double digits, vote share without the crutches of RJD. So for Rahul
02:32Gandhi, you know, to come and suddenly lash out with the prime minister in the most abusive way,
02:37what does he really mean? We have seen him divide the people of the country on the issue on the basis
02:46of caste. We have seen him, you know, peddle all kinds of nonsense on, on Operation Sindhur. He tried
02:53to convert a victory into a surrender. On the other hand, Prime Minister Modi and, you know, the entire
03:00NDA leadership has stood for the progress of Bihar. So, you know, like Prime Minister Modi said today in
03:06his speeches, the way Congress party has insulted Chhat Puja, obviously, they would have to pay a price
03:13for it because they really don't know the kind of emotive connect people of Bihar have with Chhat
03:19Puja. But, you know, honestly, if you ask me, that was expected of Rahul Gandhi because he's not in the
03:25game. So you spoke of SIR. Do you think that SIR is not an issue for the voters of Bihar? You know, SIR
03:32has been taken up in the Supreme Court in the last three months. Because the Congress party is saying
03:38that lakhs of votes have been deleted and this will lead to underrepresentation of many people,
03:44including women. So 68 lakhs voters have been deleted. 21 lakhs have also been added. New voters
03:52have been added, which effectively means that 47 lakh illegal voters have been removed. Now, what is the
03:59Prime, what is the Congress party trying to convey? Does it want illegal voters to thrive in, you know,
04:05the country? For that matter, whether you call it an SIR or what is, whether it was a routine process,
04:11even on the eve of Telangana elections two years back, 22 lakh voters had been removed. Given the
04:17size of Bihar, vis-a-vis Telangana, I don't think, you know, 47 lakh is a very big number. So I think,
04:24you know, the Congress party needs to, needs to answer basic questions. Why is it so desperately
04:30battling, batting for illegal voters? Are those 47 lakh illegal voters the only vote bank that only
04:38real vote bank, only dependable vote bank that the Congress party has as of today? I think it's a
04:44routine process. On the one hand, you, you crib about anomalies in the electoral process and when SIR,
04:49which is meant to clean those anomalies, you have a problem with that also. But they also have a
04:55problem. They say that why these exercises are being conducted right ahead of the elections. Now,
04:59the space two is also going to start on 4th of November and then we'll see elections in different
05:03states. All of these issues have been taken in the Supreme Court. They question the timing. Supreme
05:09Court also, in fact, you know, asked the election commission about the timing of it. But at the end of
05:14it, what have been the observations of Supreme Court? The Supreme Court has validated the exercise
05:19number one. The Supreme Court has never, you know, it never came to a situation where the Supreme
05:24Court said, stop the exercise. The Supreme Court obviously also called it a routine exercise which
05:30should take place across the country. But of course, the Supreme Court also put certain checks and
05:34balances, which is the responsibility of the Supreme Court. Now, after all these checks and balances,
05:40if Rahul Gandhi still has a problem, he's casting aspersions on the Supreme Court also. Please
05:45understand that, you know, in the last few years, all that he has done is demonized institutions,
05:50cast aspersions on the integrity of India's, you know, institutions. Beyond that, if you, if you just
05:57carefully, if you follow the elections, how many times has Dejasvi Adha been raising the issue, even
06:02Dejasvi Adha realizes that the entire vote chori campaign of Rahul Gandhi was only a bargaining
06:08weapon with RJD to secure maximum seats. Let me, let me take this discussion further. You also
06:15mentioned, uh, very briefly about the infighting between RJD and Congress, but the Mahagatbandan
06:22also says that you are nothing, BJP is nothing without JDU. Because if you look at the last elections
06:27in 2020, we got almost 31 seats. We got nearly 31 seats more than the JDU. In fact, Nitish Kumar at one
06:35point of time, very clearly said, I don't want to continue as CM. We went back to him and said,
06:41you have, you know, we fought the election under your leadership and you should be the CM.
06:46So there's a huge difference between Mahagatbandan and NDA. We work on mutual trust. We don't need to,
06:53you know, when Dejasvi Adha declared himself as a CM candidate, you must have seen the press
06:58conference where Rahul Gandhi's posters were missing. So, you know, we don't, you know, we don't,
07:03you know, this debate happened earlier also, like last time the Rahul Gandhi's face was not on
07:08manifesto. Yesterday, we saw that it was very much there on the cover page of the manifesto.
07:12So I think that, that puts an end to the discussion.
07:14You know, had the same, had, had Dejasvi Adha been declared CM candidate before, probably we would not
07:22have seen the kind of acrimonious fighting between the two parties. Dejasvi Adha had to virtually,
07:28emotionally blackmail them. He virtually had to tell the Congress party that I'm not going to
07:32campaign in any of the 54, 55, 56 seats where they are effectively fighting. Of course, they're
07:38fighting, you know, there are friendly fights and five or six more seats, but he had to eventually
07:42warn the Congress party that he will not campaign in any of their seats and, you know, the Congress
07:47plight will be terrible. You don't see those things happening in NDA because there is a lot of
07:53mutual trust. You know, even Nitish Ji has repeatedly said this, that he will never go to the other
07:59side. He has already realized his mistake, his poly. What more do you require? I think there's
08:05a huge difference between NDA and MGB. MGB, if you look at the kind of songs which their supporters
08:10are playing, you know, fantasizing about the return of Jungle Raj. I, I really, I'm really worried and
08:18concerned for the people of Bihar, if they ever remotely come close to the power, the kind of
08:24anarchy which they are planning to unleash does not bode well for the future of Bihar.
08:29Ataheen, you talked about Jungle Raj. This seems to be a rhetoric and
08:34also not to forget that you yourself, the JDU has fielded
08:38Anand Singh from the Mukama seat. What do you have to say on that?
08:41Anand Singh has been acquitted of all the charges, the JDU, you know, a JDU spokesperson will be...
08:47In all the other cases, the trial is pending, but he has accusations on him.
08:51First of all, you know, the Jungle Raj is not a rhetoric. I have personally lived
08:55Jungle Raj. I have grown up in Jimshetpur, which was a part of Bihar. I have seen it unfolding in
09:00front of my eyes for almost 10 years till 1998. Of course, I moved out to Delhi for my studies in
09:071998. But yes, I have personally lived memories of the Jungle Raj where suddenly after 6.37 in the
09:13evening, it would be difficult to even venture out at your home. So, number one, it was not a rhetoric.
09:18Number two, you know, barring... What about the last 20 years? If you can talk about
09:23the last 20 years when BJP and JDU has been in power. Well, if you look at statistics, the crime rate
09:30is comparatively lower. But more importantly, like when I say Jungle Raj, that Jungle Raj
09:36is the case. Number one, the term was given by Patna High Court in 1997 in a ruling where even
09:41the Patna High Court was exasperated over the way the state government under Rabri Devi was handling
09:48with law and audit issues. It was not a term which was given by us. Number two, there was direct
09:54involvement of the family members of Lalu Yadav's family. Whether it was the Shilpi Gautam case,
10:00Shilpi Gautam case, it didn't involve the family. There was the involvement of a political aid of
10:06Lalu Yadav, but in the Shilpi Gautam case, the involvement of Sadhu Yadav was there. In the
10:11Champa Biswas case, which was the wife of an IAS officer, a political aid of Lalu Yadav was involved.
10:17So here, the Lalu, in those days, the Gunda Raj was directly promoted by close associates and family
10:26members of Lalu Yadav. You can't even compare the crime which has existed in the last 20 years with
10:33that crime which was directly sponsored by Lalu Yadav's family. Of course, Bihar has always seen
10:39crime, but the crime rate is very much under control and it is not RJD-sponsored or political
10:45party-sponsored extortion. Every time there was a wedding in Lalu Yadav's family, his family members
10:50would pick up tata sumos from the showrooms of these automobile manufacturers. There are so many
10:58qualified, there are so many, you know, popular doctors and medical practitioners who have left
11:04Bihar at that point of time only to never return. So the damage which these people had caused to Bihar
11:12was unimaginable. And like I say, their very own supporters are bringing out YouTube videos,
11:20eologizing that time and fantasizing about the return of Jungle Raj. So you don't see our supporters
11:27ever doing that. Why can't any party from all the parties who are fighting in Bihar can set an
11:33example by not fielding candidates with criminal background just so it can, you know, we can gain
11:40the trust of the people. Every time there is a same debate around elections why this particular
11:45person with criminal background has been fielded from. You know, Anand Singh is an exception
11:51and when it is a BJP government, it is the responsibility of BJP to ensure that these
11:58elements are under control. So whether it was UP which saw terrible law and order conditions before 2017
12:05or any other state, I can tell you it's a responsibility of BJP to ensure that even an
12:10Anand Singh, if he gets elected, will conform to law, will subscribe to the law of the land, which is
12:16something the other side cannot promise. When they field Osama, the son of Shahabuddin, I don't need
12:25to emphasize, I don't need to reiterate who Shahabuddin was. Shahabuddin, the most dreaded gangster,
12:30by giving a ticket to his son, if being the son of a dreaded gangster is the only qualification for
12:38Osama to secure a ticket. I think that itself reveals the intentions of the Mahagarbandan. And do I need to
12:44reiterate who was Shahabuddin at the prime of his of his criminal career, which also coincided with
12:50his, you know, with his stint in politics as a member of parliament of RJD. You have police reports,
12:57you can still find it on the net, the police had confirmed he has links with Pakistan's ISI. His house
13:03would, you know, store bombs which would be hurled as at political rivals and of course common people who
13:09did not subscribe, who did not bend down to him. So these are the people who, and at least from
13:15Tejasvi Adar, when he claims to be different from his father, one would have expected him to shun
13:20the legacy of Shahabuddin. When he talks about a progressive Bihar and of course, you know,
13:26he reveals a lot of illiteracy. If I come to his electoral promise, you know, the promise of 2.75
13:32crore jobs, which is absolutely unreal. You know, the budget of Bihar would shoot up by at least two
13:39times only by that promise. And if you take the rest of his promise into consideration, it would
13:44shoot up by almost nine times. When you talk to him, he says he has been guided by experts. Now,
13:49who are the experts guiding him? Rahul Gandhi, whose party has any which way unleashed fiscal
13:55anarchy in Karnataka, in Tilangana, in Himachal, wherever they get to govern. So I think, you know,
14:00these people have unreal promises. They don't have a comprehension of issues. And people seem
14:07to realize that on the ground. Atukhin, what is also ironical is a lot of BJP leaders are talking
14:12about the issues of Bihar, despite the fact that the party has been in power for last 20 years.
14:19I want to know specifically from you, what will BJP do to tackle the education sector? There is a huge
14:25school dropout rate in Bihar. Then BJP leaders also talk about, you know, migration from Bihar to
14:32other states. What has the BJP done in the last 20 years? You know, today, Bihar has a GDP growth
14:38rate of 14.5% in the last year, the projected GDP growth rate for 2025-26 is above 15%.
14:45Where does it translate in job generation on ground?
14:49No, no, that simply can't be jobless growth. That simply can't be jobless growth. You have to refer
14:54to an article published in the print in the first week of October, which clearly mentions the number
14:59of industries with the names, especially in the food processing sector and the textile sectors, which
15:04includes upmarket brands like Zara, which includes food processing industries like Britannia,
15:10food sector industries like Britannia, which have set up shop in Bihar in the last six to seven years,
15:16purely because of government intervention. When it comes to medical colleges, in 2005,
15:21Bihar used to have six medical colleges. Today, it has 20 plus medical colleges, some of which are
15:26under construction. The figure is likely to go up to 26 in the next few years.
15:30I want to come here, because you talked about hospitals, the videos that we're seeing on social
15:36media of Darbanga Hospital, Darbanga Medical College and Hospital. The visuals are pathetic.
15:43I mean, the condition of hospitals from inside and the health minister of Bihar will definitely
15:47be questioned on that. No, that's an exception and nobody can defend that. In fact, you know,
15:53the health minister should have immediately taken all the remedial and I'm sure the remedial measures
15:59have been taken, but the very fact that that, you know, issue came to the fore shows that a lot more
16:04needs to be done. See, Bihar has had many legacy issues, but if you look at pure data from 3,300
16:11kilometers of national highway stretch in 2004-2005 to 6,000 plus kilometers of national highway stretch
16:18in Bihar now, from 350 kilometers of rural roads in 2005 to 1,20,000 kilometers of rural roads,
16:27from 5 to 6 hours of average electricity in 2004-2005 to 2021 hours of average electricity now. In fact,
16:36if you look at the poverty rate in 2015 in Bihar, it's 40%, now it is 4%, which shows that one of the
16:42biggest successes among other states in fighting poverty has been of Bihar. So all of these augur well
16:49for the future of Bihar. On the other hand, you spoke of infrastructure, why do we have crores of
16:55rupees of bridges collapsing every time there is a rain in Bihar? There are four or five of them
17:01which are collapsing. Definitely, you know, nobody can defend the flawed construction of those bridges.
17:08And, you know, I'm not privy to what the investigation revealed because many of these were
17:12state, you know, perhaps many of these were, were expedited at the time when they just meet the
17:19other government was in power for 18-19 months in between. And whenever they come, you know,
17:24get a hang of power, they indulge in unabated corruption. But if you look at the overall picture
17:29of Bihar, you know, the kind of connectivity, three airports, Simanchal, which you, which these people
17:35had made the hub of illegal migration today has a airport right in the heart of Urnia, a distance which,
17:41you know, people from the border area of Purnia used to cover to Delhi in 26 hours,
17:47that's being covered in two and a half hours by air. That's the level of development and airport
17:52in Darbhanga. And all across the state, if you, you know, I would suggest, I would request you travel,
17:58you know, since there are a few days remaining for the elections, journalists who have gone to Bihar
18:03to cover are mighty impressed with the seamless road connectivity in just the last six years.
18:09That's the pace of development which Bihar has witnessed in the last few years.
18:12You touched upon corruption, the CAG report, which came out recently, it flags that there was a,
18:18there was an irregularity of 70,000 crore rupees in government departments in Bihar.
18:23How do you respond? Well, that's, that's still that I don't have much information about that because,
18:30you know, that's still being investigated and the CAG reports reveal a lot of things,
18:34but there are subsequent investigations don't necessarily corroborate the initial findings.
18:38So I will wait for the final report. Home Minister Amit Shah earlier yesterday spoke on Parivar
18:44Vat. There is a report by ADR India, which talks about and actually it lists out all the leaders
18:51from JDU and BJP, who are actually the product of dynastic politics. How do we respond to that?
18:58I think first of all, we need to understand the definition of Parivar Vat. When we talk about
19:03Parivar Vat, what it essentially means is that by virtue of, you know, the, a present leader holding
19:10a certain position in a party, the descendant of that leader immediately or automatically qualifies
19:18to hold the same position just by virtue of being his son or daughter. That does not mean that you
19:23have to bar your relatives or family members from coming into politics if they're necessarily
19:29qualified. So, you know, a doctor can't bar his future generations from taking medicine as a career,
19:35an actor can't bar his future generations from taking, uh, acting as a career. But what I can assure
19:41you in that is that in BJP, no leader by virtue of holding a certain position currently can expect
19:50that his son or his daughter will be a claimant to that position just because he's that holding that
19:55position. That will never happen in BJP. Of course, if family members have to come to, come into
20:00politics, they have to fight their way out. They have to work on the ground and it has to be a gradual
20:05process where they, where they qualify on merit. I think this thing has been also specified very
20:11clearly by Hardit Puriji's in his recent article in Indian Express, the difference.
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