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00:00This was a cold and calculated murder.
00:16There's always a breaking point in an investigation.
00:24The timeline of events didn't add up.
00:30It was crucial we supported our family contact.
00:49This was just such a tragedy.
00:52A family who have lost a young son, a brother, as a result of a stab wound.
01:00A few days before, it was Christmas and we were happy.
01:05And then the next time I see him, he's lying on a slab in the mortuary.
01:11It was literally over nothing.
01:14Just the senselessness of it will always stay with me.
01:18You never get any worse news than your child being murdered.
01:22That was me and my life was destroyed forever.
01:26I first met the Fisher family when I was informed by the duty inspector at around 1pm in the afternoon that 23-year-old Cody Fisher had been murdered during a night out.
01:44From that moment, I became their point of contact in a murder investigation.
01:51My name is Lisa Taylor.
01:52I was a police family liaison officer, often referred to as a flow with West Midlands Police.
01:58When I went into the office, I was approached by the inspector at that time who advised me that there was a murder case in and asked if I would be the family liaison officer to provide support for the family.
02:12The role of a flow to a murder investigation is absolutely critical.
02:19Working with the family, getting the trust of the family to bring information back from the family, you know, that may be crucial to the investigation.
02:29Usually to give a death message would be our first task as an FLO, but in this case, it wasn't.
02:38All that we knew at this time was that a young man had been stabbed.
02:42It was upsetting to hear.
02:44And I knew that because of his age, it would be upsetting as a family because ultimately they've lost a son.
02:52I received a phone call just before midnight on the 26th of December 2022 to say that there had been a murder in the Crane nightclub in Birmingham.
03:07My name is Michelle Thurgood.
03:09I was a detective inspector serving on the West Midlands Police Major Crime Unit.
03:14A male had been stabbed and tragically had died at the scene.
03:19I was told that the Crane is a nightclub in a warehouse building, that over 2,000 people were present in the nightclub.
03:29My initial thoughts were 2,000 people.
03:34That's going to be quite difficult to find out who is responsible.
03:39So one of my roles as SIO is to deploy family liaison officers.
03:45PHONE RINGS
03:47Hello, DC Taylor.
03:49DC Lisa Taylor was the lead family liaison officer.
03:54Oh, a stabbing in a nightclub?
03:56A role that you couldn't do without as a senior investigating officer.
04:01How many victims?
04:02They are your conduit between yourself, the investigation and families.
04:18When I arrived at the Crane, I walked through a door which took me in into just a vast expanse of a big,
04:25huge, grey, empty building.
04:30Very bare and sort of barren.
04:34The victim was still on the floor, obviously, where he had fallen after he'd been stabbed.
04:40It was clear that he had suffered some sort of catastrophic injury that had caused a lot of blood loss.
04:48The victim was Cody Fisher, and he was 23 years old at the time of his death.
04:54My key thoughts are, who's responsible?
04:58Where are they?
04:59Who are they?
05:00These are people who are not afraid to stab somebody in a nightclub full of 2,000 people.
05:07I need to identify and detain them as soon as possible.
05:17The first 24 hours of the investigation, it's crucial to secure and preserve evidence, things left at the crime scene by the offenders.
05:26You know, looking around the floor of the place, there was what I would describe as rubbish absolutely everywhere.
05:33So, yeah, in amongst all of that, would there be any clues, any evidence?
05:37So, very challenging in terms of, in my head, the sheer numbers who had been in there
05:42and the vastness and the area surrounding where the incident had happened.
05:48In terms of Cody himself, obviously, he could contain forensic evidence that could link us to the suspects.
05:56The knife that had been used to stab the victim had been left in situ by the person who had stabbed him
06:04in his side in the stab wound and was removed by the paramedics who tried to render first aid.
06:112,000 people were in that club, how do I track those people down?
06:20Did you see anything? Can you provide any witness statements?
06:24Have you got any mobile phone footage? Please get in touch with the police.
06:28Cody was at the nightclub with a number of his friends.
06:33A lot of those friends, and in particular his girlfriend, were in very close proximity to him.
06:39So, his girlfriend, Jess, and numerous of his friends became significant or key witnesses.
06:54Due to the fact that Cody was at the crane with his girlfriend and friends,
07:00his mum actually knew and was at the crane nightclub before I even arrived.
07:08I'm Tracey Fisher and I'm the mother of Cody Fisher.
07:11It was 11 minutes past 12 and my phone was ringing.
07:16So, I answered the phone and she just said to me calmly,
07:22Trace, you need to get dressed.
07:27Stephen's on his way for you.
07:31Cody's been stabbed.
07:33I can just remember, I was just hysterical down the phone.
07:41Cut the phone off, put some clothes on and then the next minute,
07:46Stephen pulled up, got in the car, run out to him.
07:49Stephen just blasted all the way, basically, to Birmingham.
07:54My name's Stephen and I'm Cody Fisher's brother.
08:00My mum was just, my mum was just screaming the whole way.
08:06And I was just, I was trying to calm her, but I knew this was real life.
08:14And I was trying to drive at the same time.
08:16My phone rang again and I was just shouting down,
08:19screaming down the phone to Danny saying,
08:21which hospital are you there?
08:22And he said, yeah, we're here.
08:25And then Danny said, Trace, it's too late.
08:30He's passed away.
08:37I know, I just...
08:43I just screamed at him, said he can't.
08:45He can't be. He can't be.
08:47They'd be taking him to hospital.
08:49And I'm screaming and Stephen, just that look on his face,
08:53he knew that that was me and my life was destroyed forever.
09:02I just remember pulling up.
09:03The police officer was, um...
09:06I could see that he'd been crying.
09:09He just looked at me and he couldn't even get his words out.
09:13And I was just shouting for some answers.
09:16I was just begging him to let me in, to be with him.
09:20And they said, you can't be because the forensics,
09:24and it's got to be kept isolated.
09:28Until the forensics get there.
09:35I can remember seeing loads of people, familiar faces.
09:40I could see Cody's friends.
09:41Everything was just a blur.
09:42There was that many police, police everywhere.
09:45And then they wouldn't let us in.
09:47I wouldn't let us in.
09:48I wouldn't let us in.
09:50I just don't think any of us wanted to believe
09:53that it was actually real.
09:54I just remember the paramedics leaving.
09:57And I knew then, I knew that it was too late.
10:01The paramedics were getting into their...
10:04into their ambulance and there was no sign of...
10:07..no sign of my son.
10:17I felt as I walked in that it wasn't going to be easy
10:21to go into the family, being hours later,
10:25with them already knowing that Cody had died.
10:29And I was aware that there may have been tension
10:32towards the police.
10:34This first 24, 36 hours is extremely challenging
10:38for a family liaison officer.
10:41You are going into a family
10:43at the worst possible time in their lives.
10:46In the midst of someone's absolute pain and agony,
10:49you might be on the back of their anger.
10:51I think it is a very hard job.
10:54Who are these people in my house
10:55that don't know the first thing about us?
10:58You don't know me, you don't know my family,
11:01you don't know that we're just a normal...
11:03..a normal family.
11:05And Cody was a really...
11:07..you know, he was a really lovely lad.
11:16Michelle advised on what we could actually tell the family.
11:20And in this case, it was that Cody had died
11:24from a single stab wound
11:26and that we had offenders outstanding.
11:29And that was all that we could say really had happened
11:32at this particular moment in time for them
11:35because that was all that we actually knew.
11:39I remember them coming into the lounge
11:41and introducing themselves
11:44and saying, you know, what their role was
11:47and that they would...
11:48..they would be with me, you know,
11:50every step of the way now.
11:53To which they was, to be fair.
11:55I remember them both hugging me, um...
12:00..and I just felt that straight away
12:02that they were both really sincere.
12:04You want the family to put the trust in...
12:08..in the police and into the investigation.
12:11And I feel like the only way that you can do that
12:13is to go into a family, um...
12:18..with an open mind
12:19to try and put them at ease
12:21that we are here for them.
12:23The investigation is about them
12:25and their loved one that they've lost.
12:32From when I walked into the house,
12:34I could tell that the Fisher family
12:36were quite a close family.
12:38We try and gather from them, uh, information
12:41that we can about the victim.
12:50Cody came along September 99
12:53and was just a joy right from the start as a baby.
12:58He was just easy.
13:00He was contented, he was happy
13:03and he was really chilled right from the offs.
13:07He would just kick this ball with his left foot
13:10right from, like, 11 minutes up,
13:12as soon as he could walk, um, and control it
13:15and...and we knew then that he'd got a talent.
13:18Cody's whole...
13:21..growing up, upbringing,
13:22was football, football, football.
13:25From, like, four years old,
13:27he was playing football,
13:28football matches, football training,
13:30all around the country, really.
13:32So, so athletic, really fast,
13:37amazingly fast runner.
13:39Um, I don't think anybody ever beat him.
13:42And just a joy, just an absolute inspiration.
13:45We're the complete opposite,
13:47but it worked really well.
13:49We never, ever, ever fell out, you know,
13:54whole life.
13:55One particular funny story.
13:58He was so grounded.
13:59He was due to play in the FA Cup
14:01and...and I remember going into his bedroom and saying,
14:05Cade, wake up.
14:06Come on, I'm going to work now.
14:08Um, can you empty the dishwasher?
14:10And he's like,
14:11I'm playing in the FA Cup today.
14:13And I said,
14:14Yeah, but you'll...you'll play better
14:16if you empty the dishwasher first.
14:19And he laughed and he went,
14:20Of course, Mum, of course.
14:22I'll see you later.
14:23Love you.
14:24And he did.
14:25Bless him.
14:26Yeah, he was just...just an absolute joy.
14:29Yeah, we really were best friends.
14:33No-one was like Cade.
14:35He's just a special person.
14:38On the day that the family were going to see Cody,
14:50I would have arrived about half an hour earlier
14:54to go into the mortuary,
14:56uh, speak to the staff
14:58and, um, and generally take a look at the victim,
15:01but ultimately it'd be Tracey
15:03who would identify, uh, Cody.
15:05I do find that families are very nervous
15:10before they come in and they...they view a loved one
15:13because you don't know what's going to happen.
15:16I went to the hospital,
15:18uh, and they were there waiting for us at the hospital.
15:21I spoke to Tracey
15:23and explained that Cody is in the next room,
15:27explained that he will be under a blanket,
15:30but that Cody looked at peace.
15:33Without them doing that,
15:36um...
15:38It would have been even more horrendous than what it was.
15:43I remember them taking me down, uh, to the mortuary.
15:47Yeah, Cody was just lying there as we were sleeping.
15:53Like he did in his bed, peacefully asleep.
16:02And, yeah, it's the hardest thing ever, but...
16:07that you'll ever do as a mother,
16:09to go and witness that.
16:12It was really, really emotional.
16:17Very, very upsetting.
16:19And it's upsetting for...
16:21for us as a family liaison officer
16:23to see that the family, uh, you know,
16:26are just an outpouring of emotion
16:28and seeing their loved one.
16:29It's like this is all a bad dream,
16:32but...
16:34every day you realise it's not, in fact, a dream,
16:37it's real life.
16:39A few days before he was...
16:41It was Christmas and we were happy
16:43and, you know, he was just going out for an afternoon event.
16:47with his girlfriend.
16:50And then, the next time I see him,
16:52he's...
16:53he's lying on a slab in the mortuary.
17:04The post-mortem was able to tell us
17:06that Cody had got two stub wounds,
17:09a significant stub wound to his chest
17:12that had pierced his heart
17:14and that that was, in fact, the injury
17:16that had caused him significant blood loss
17:18and caused his death.
17:20He had another small stab wound to his leg.
17:23The forensic pathologist was also,
17:25I would say, in their belief
17:26that the knife had been put in
17:28with some considerable force.
17:30If he'd gone in any other direction,
17:32he'd have probably survived.
17:33Unfortunately, because of the force
17:36and where he was stabbed, you know,
17:38it killed him virtually instantly.
17:41The weapon that was used
17:42was what's called a combat knife,
17:45about six-inch in blade.
17:48Not a knife that anybody needs to have,
17:50you know, not a kitchen knife,
17:51not a knife that you would use
17:53in your normal daily business.
17:54Unfortunately, because the knife was left within Cody,
17:59it was swamped with his blood and his DNA,
18:02so the knife was not able to tell us anything
18:05in terms of who might be responsible.
18:08In the Crane nightclub, I knew that if they had CCTV,
18:14what CCTV they had would be absolutely crucial.
18:17I spoke with the manager of the premises
18:19who explained, yes, there was actually very good CCTV.
18:24As soon as a CCTV coordinator came in
18:28in the early hours of the morning,
18:29I would brief that coordinator
18:31so they could start to see Cody's movements
18:34throughout the evening,
18:35try and ascertain who might be responsible.
18:38When do they come and go?
18:40What do they do within the nightclub?
18:42Where do they go within the nightclub?
18:44It was a very, very complex and long
18:47and challenging CCTV trawl.
18:54I would go and visit Tracy and tell them updates
18:58and that continued for months.
19:02Even if there wasn't any specific update,
19:04just to telephone her, just to say,
19:06we're still here, we're still investigating it,
19:09there's a whole team and we're still,
19:11we're not concentrating on anything else.
19:13We are just solely investigating the death of Cody.
19:18We were getting lots of phone calls
19:20from family members who were clearly very upset
19:23into the office, you know,
19:25wanted us to move quicker,
19:27wanted to know why we weren't doing certain things
19:29and Lisa had to manage all of that,
19:32which is no mean feat and is a very difficult task.
19:36And she did it really, really well.
19:38She was my main, my main support
19:41through all of that.
19:43She just got it and...
19:47And like I say, I really felt her sincerity all along.
19:51She kept me updated all the time,
19:54so without them, I don't know, I don't know what I would have done.
19:58So there was information that came from the family
20:08that something had happened on the Christmas Eve
20:12at a place called Pop World in Solihull.
20:15They'd spent around a couple of hours in Pop World,
20:18drinking, dancing, just generally in the club as you would do.
20:23It's a really small place and it was Christmas Eve,
20:28so it was rammed.
20:29They started to make their way out of the club
20:32and the line of people walking towards the exit
20:35came to a halt.
20:36They pushed into a person who had stood still.
20:39And he just retaliated in such an aggressive, demanding way
20:46to Cody that he was just really taken aback by it.
20:50He's just...what the hell?
20:53I chose to ignore him
20:55and they just carried on heading for the door
20:58and that was it, really.
20:59And then when he got in,
21:01I asked him how he's not had been.
21:04And then he just said,
21:06oh, gosh, I just had an altercation
21:08with somebody that was just, you know,
21:12just vile and aggressive
21:15and for nothing over nothing, basically.
21:19So when the family liaison officers came out,
21:23I just told them word for word
21:26what Cody and I had discussed.
21:28I've just got a horrible feeling
21:30that it could be something to do with them.
21:32There was other information
21:33which had come from a friend of Cody
21:37to say that the person who was in Pop World
21:44was also at the crane that night.
21:47That allowed me to do was to set some further actions
21:50around CCTV from Pop World.
21:54You know, could I ascertain, you know,
21:56any imagery of the altercation
21:59that we believed took place.
22:01So that's why the family liaison role is vital, really,
22:04because with the family trusting us with that information,
22:09we were then able to insert that into the investigation,
22:13you know, and it become an integral part of it.
22:27Cody's funeral was 31st of January, 23,
22:31so five weeks after we'd lost him.
22:36I still don't believe it now, so I didn't...
22:40I couldn't believe it on the day.
22:42It was the actual day.
22:44It started off at my mum's house.
22:48I remember being told
22:51that the horse and carriage was on its way.
22:58With Cody, it was on its way.
23:00He was on his way down the road,
23:04so we all went outside to greet him,
23:07and then went down to the church.
23:10The lads were all there then to lift Cody's coffin,
23:14and I was walking behind.
23:16I couldn't even tell you he was there.
23:18I just remember that the church was packed.
23:21People were standing, sitting.
23:22There was...
23:23There was...
23:24There was hundreds there.
23:25I gave him the, um...
23:27The best send-off that I could give him,
23:29possibly have given.
23:38One of Cody's friends came forward and said,
23:41after the incident on Christmas Eve,
23:44a person he knew by the name of Remy Gordon
23:47had sent him a photograph.
23:50In that photograph was a number of males,
23:55one of those males being Cody,
23:57and Gordon had asked the friend,
24:01um, who is this little pipsqueak?
24:03And then he put, due to shank him up,
24:06which shank him up, from our understanding,
24:09was stab him.
24:10I was asked to view the footage from Pop World.
24:17We knew what, uh, Cody and Dan looked like.
24:22I identified them as coming in,
24:24and then continued to view them on the CCTV,
24:29all around the club.
24:31I would say that it took me around about four to six weeks,
24:36just because of the amount of cameras
24:39that were in the building.
24:42We were able to pinpoint the altercation that took place
24:47between Cody and who we now know is Remy Gordon.
24:51So that footage shows a line of people trying to exit.
24:54It shows a male stop still and, uh, do a high-five,
24:58or do a handshake with another male,
25:00which has caused the line behind him to, uh, stop,
25:03and people to push into him.
25:05Uh, and-and that was, uh, Cody and Dan.
25:09Unfortunately, they bumped into Remy Gordon.
25:13He took some sort of offence at that,
25:15tried to get Cody to go outside and, you know,
25:18have a straightener.
25:20Uh, Cody dismissed him and virtually straight away left.
25:24Had nothing more to do with him.
25:26It was a couple of seconds.
25:29It just looked to me like it was people trying to exit
25:33a really busy club.
25:35So it-it was just-it was just a nothing, really.
25:39It must happen so many times in so many places.
25:42It was just nothing.
25:43Gordon managed to ascertain that Cody was going to be
25:52at the Crane nightclub on the 26th.
25:55Part of the CCTV coordinator's role
25:58is to track each of the potential suspects
26:02when they leave the Crane.
26:04They were able to track, firstly, Remy Gordon
26:08to the pizza shop and then later another male
26:12Camay Carpenter to the same pizza shop.
26:15A conversation, whilst there's no audio,
26:18clearly takes place between Remy Gordon
26:20and the male he's with.
26:22And it appeared that the actions
26:25that Remy Gordon was carrying out
26:28was actually him reliving, recreating
26:32what had happened in the nightclub,
26:34somebody falling backwards, the kicking,
26:36exactly what had gone on.
26:38We also had a witness that came forward.
26:44He was actually a friend of Gordon and Carpenter.
26:49He told us that he was given a lift home after the stabbing
26:53and that Camay Carpenter told him
26:56that he was responsible for the stabbing.
27:06I was happy that I had got enough evidence
27:08based on the CCTV
27:10and from what witnesses had told me
27:12to be able to raise Camay Carpenter
27:14and Remy Gordon to suspect status.
27:17And then, obviously, start to look for them
27:20in what the police call a manhunt.
27:23My concern at this point was
27:25I had no idea where they were.
27:27They clearly had no worries about carrying a knife.
27:31They clearly had no worries about carrying out
27:33such a horrific attack in a public place.
27:36So, to arrest them as soon as possible
27:38for public safety and for Cody's family
27:41was, you know, top priority.
27:44By raising someone to a suspect
27:46and putting them on the police national computer as wanted,
27:49that creates a number of alerts
27:52with airports, ports, seaports,
27:54anywhere where somebody could leave the country.
27:57Pamay Carpenter,
27:59he decided to book a flight to Jamaica
28:03along with other family members.
28:05One could only presume to evade the police in any capture.
28:09So, I received a call from Heathrow Airport
28:12to say it flagged on their computer
28:15that somebody who was wanted for murder
28:19had, in fact, was due to board a flight.
28:22Carpenter was staying along with some of his other relatives
28:25at a location in London.
28:27And when they left that location
28:29with an intention to travel to the airport,
28:32they were arrested by officers from the Metropolitan Police
28:36and from West Midlands Police.
28:44Manhunter for Remy Gordon
28:46was more traditional policing tactics
28:48to identify where somebody might be,
28:50try to locate them, you know,
28:52where their phones might be,
28:53that type of investigation.
28:57That's obviously a big breakthrough for us in the case
29:09and something which the family need to be informed about.
29:12As soon as they were caught, I was called straight away.
29:16Just...just relieved.
29:18Obviously, very dangerous individuals.
29:21Um, so, yeah, the relief.
29:24And imagine if he had been able to escape the country.
29:29So the relief was just immense.
29:35Once suspects are in custody,
29:37the first steps within the custody environment
29:40is to ascertain the course of action for interviews.
29:44OK.
29:45Yep.
29:46You know, it's the whole thing.
29:48Murder.
29:49Generally, it's a case of getting an account off them.
29:52Do they change their story?
29:54Do they, you know, put any version of events forward?
29:57In this case, Remy Gordon answered no comment
30:01to all the questions that were put to him in every interview.
30:05Cammy Carpenter's interview was very much the same
30:07as Remy Gordon's interview
30:09in terms of he also said no comment.
30:12So, frustrating when they don't talk to you,
30:15but never unexpected.
30:17Once Remy Gordon had been arrested,
30:20along with some others,
30:21and their phones were downloaded and looked into,
30:25there was a lot of conversation
30:27that took place on Snapchat
30:30after the 24th, into the 25th,
30:34into the 26th, and then into the 27th.
30:37So, slowly going through those conversations
30:42and trying to piece together what they were talking about
30:46and how they were implicating themselves
30:49or not in those conversations
30:51was absolutely key to building the picture of evidence
30:54against particularly Remy Gordon and Cammy Carpenter.
30:58It's crucial that, before they even go to the crane,
31:03that there was a conversation going on
31:05between Remy Gordon and Cammy Carpenter
31:08where they're talking about the security.
31:10Carpenter is talking about,
31:13would you be able to get a weapon in?
31:15Remy's already in the crane by now
31:17and he's saying, essentially, the security is really poor.
31:20The Snapchat conversations that took place
31:25made it clear that they knew exactly what had gone on,
31:28exactly what had happened,
31:30and that once they knew that Cody was, in fact, dead,
31:34they tried to distance themselves.
31:36Gordon starts talking about Cammy Carpenter
31:40and heavily suggesting that he's responsible,
31:44that he should take the blame,
31:46starts to try and distance himself from what's gone on,
31:50but it's very, very clear that he was party to it.
31:54Lisa was made aware by friends and family of Cody
31:59that there was a video circulating,
32:01and while that footage didn't show the actual stabbing,
32:05what that showed at close proximity
32:08was the group that had now been identified
32:11by my CCTV coordinators as what I called the suspect group.
32:15So, Gordon, Carpenter and friends,
32:19you see them go towards Cody and his group.
32:22You see quite clearly a headbutt from Cammy Carpenter to Cody.
32:28You see a scuffle and then you see Cody on the floor.
32:31What you also see is Remy Gordon kicking him.
32:34So, we will say he's probably already dead at this point,
32:38yet still Gordon kicks him whilst he's on the floor.
32:45So, following, obviously, the conclusion of the interviews
32:48and being able to present all of the evidence
32:50to the Crown Prosecution Service,
32:52they decided that Remy Gordon and Cammy Carpenter
32:55should be charged with murder.
32:58Once they'd finished questioning,
33:02I was then informed straight away that they'd been charged.
33:05Just relieved.
33:09I remember getting calls from Lisa, like, late at night.
33:13So, it didn't matter what time of the day or night it was.
33:16If they were charging, she was phoning me to let me know.
33:20Yeah, she was great support.
33:33That particular morning, I woke up, I was quite nervous
33:37about what was going to happen.
33:39The family were mainly concerned
33:41about having to sit by the defendant's family.
33:45There was a lot of tension in the building.
33:48There was, obviously, Cody's family and friends,
33:50the various different defendants' family and friends.
33:54It was a real tense atmosphere.
33:57Throughout the trial, Tracy didn't feel that she could come
34:01and view what was going on.
34:04But she did ask me, would I telephone her every day
34:08and let her know what's happened?
34:10Those conversations would inevitably be over half an hour
34:16each and every day, more like an hour, really.
34:25Cody's girlfriend, Jess, was a key witness,
34:28so she gave her evidence fairly early on.
34:32She's seen someone murder her boyfriend in cold blood
34:36and she's had to try and provide first aid for him on the scene.
34:41She fought him and the knife was stuck in his body, you know?
34:46When she tried to put him in recovery position, she couldn't
34:49because the knife was in
34:51and that's when they realised they'd been stabbed.
34:54It was an emotional day for her.
34:59She was very, very upset.
35:02You know, it must have been very difficult for her to do that.
35:06She's lost her boyfriend
35:08and she's having to describe in great detail about what's happened,
35:12which must have been absolutely horrendous.
35:15But she did us proud. She was very good.
35:19Throughout the whole trial there were times when the public gallery
35:23had to be told by the judge about their behaviour.
35:27Family members felt quite intimidated by the actions
35:32of the other defendants' families.
35:35We had to get involved several times
35:38directly having conversations with the defendants' family
35:41around their actions, their behaviours.
35:51So it was a very volatile and tense atmosphere every day,
35:56all day, within the courtroom.
35:58Everybody believed that it would be sort of four to six weeks, maybe.
36:03And then, lo and behold, the trial didn't last for that short amount of time.
36:07It was 12 weeks.
36:10When both Carpenter and Gordon gave their evidence,
36:14they both denied being responsible for his murder.
36:19They obviously gave an account that tried to suggest
36:22that he was responsible for the fight.
36:24Watching Remy Gordon give evidence, he was arrogant.
36:29He gave an air...
36:31I think he even said something along the lines of being,
36:34you know, the leader of the pack, people looking up to him.
36:37Almost that sort of swagger about himself.
36:40Cami Carpenter's demeanour on the stand was very different.
36:44He didn't have that arrogance around him
36:47that Remy Gordon had throughout.
36:49Nevertheless, he never accepted his part or responsibility
36:54in the murder of Cody.
36:56They tried to push all responsibility off themselves
36:59and ultimately onto each other.
37:02So, what's known as a cutthroat defence,
37:04Gordon blaming Carpenter, Carpenter blaming Gordon.
37:08I always say it's impossible to judge a jury.
37:11I had no doubt that they would be found guilty.
37:14But you can never be sure.
37:16Waiting for the verdict, it was just really nervous.
37:27I got sweaty palms.
37:29It's so emotional because it's been your life
37:33or your working life more or less every day
37:37since the 27th of December, 2022.
37:41And so, when it comes to the day of the verdict,
37:44it's just really emotional because you're worried.
37:47You're worried that you're not going to get
37:50the right verdict for the family.
37:52You're worried about what they will think,
37:56how they will react.
38:00So, the timeline events that we put forward at trial
38:04is on that 24th of December,
38:07Cody and his friend Dan went to Pop World in Solihull.
38:10And that whilst they were at that club,
38:13Cody had bumped into somebody,
38:16like you do in any packed club.
38:19Remy was with another friend that night.
38:22Maybe he felt like he'd lost face with his friend.
38:26Maybe he felt that he had to seek some revenge on Cody.
38:32That somebody dared to not be intimidated by him.
38:36That it would appear it just ate him up.
38:38And that's why that planned retribution happened
38:43over that Christmas day, Christmas period.
38:46Gordon, Carpenter and a whole crowd of their other friends
38:50attended the crane on that boxing day.
38:54Just towards the end of the evening,
38:56the group that Gordon and Carpenter were part of
38:59approached Cody's girlfriend and other friends on the dance floor.
39:04The altercation takes place where Cody ends up on the floor.
39:08The attack on Cody lasts seconds.
39:11Literally seconds.
39:13You see him on his feet.
39:14You see him on the floor.
39:15You don't see any more than that.
39:17And in those moments, because of how and where the stab wound is,
39:23our belief is he died virtually instantly.
39:27So eventually we get noticed that there is a verdict.
39:39I went to the verdict because I felt that I needed to do that
39:42and I went via link in the court building.
39:46She didn't want to go into the actual courtroom.
39:49We sat in a side room and we were able to view the verdict
39:53via a live link from the courtroom.
39:55They all supported me.
39:57They were all brilliant.
39:58They couldn't have done any more that day.
40:00When the jury foreman stood up,
40:06they found both Gordon and Carpenter guilty of murder.
40:13Relieved.
40:14Relieved that they'd both got murder.
40:17She was absolutely ecstatic.
40:19Crying, emotional, screaming.
40:23Just all the emotions that anybody could ever show,
40:26just all in one.
40:28Just, yeah, just highly emotional.
40:32So the verdict was just like a wave of relief.
40:37You've got the right verdicts for the family.
40:40It's never going to bring Cody back,
40:42but at least we've got the persons that are responsible
40:47and they are going to have to spend, you know,
40:51the majority of their lives now in prison
40:53for what they did to Cody.
40:55The defendants made no emotion.
40:58Once the verdicts were read out,
41:00they didn't move, they didn't say anything.
41:03No emotion whatsoever.
41:05Cody's case will always stay in my mind for any number of reasons,
41:24but the senselessness of it all, you know,
41:28and the impact on his family.
41:32My life sentence started on Boxing Day.
41:34I'm heartbroken forever.
41:37There's no coming back from that.
41:39You know, Cody's on my head all the time.
41:42I wake up thinking about him,
41:44I go to bed thinking about him,
41:45and I go to his grave every few days religiously,
41:50and they're the things that...
41:52They're the situations that people don't see,
41:57that I live with every single day.
42:00We have to visit Cody now.
42:03He's headstone.
42:05No matter what weather it is,
42:07whether it's raining, snowing,
42:09that's where we have to go and see him.
42:11He doesn't come home any more.
42:15I'm just gutted I can't fix my family,
42:18and I can't bring him home.
42:21In my darkest days when I thought,
42:24I can't, you know, I won't get through this.
42:27I can't get through this.
42:28How can I go on when my boy's gone and he's not coming back?
42:33And without them liaison officers at the beginning,
42:38I just...
42:40We'd be upset.
42:41I just don't know what would happen.
42:43You've got to have them.
42:45They're so important.
42:51When it came to sentencing,
42:53Remy Gordon was given life with a minimum tariff of 26 years,
42:58and Carmine Carpenter was given life
43:01with a minimum tariff of 25 years.
43:05You can't help but feel nothing but disdain for them
43:09and their actions and, you know, what they've done.
43:12It was literally over nothing.
43:14It was over a shove in a nightclub.
43:17If I could say anything to them,
43:21come and...
43:22Let them come and spend a few hours down Cody's grave with me.
43:25We're going...we're going to see him,
43:27we'll speak to him,
43:28and they can feel how I have to feel.
43:31It's left such a massive void in the family,
43:35a situation that I wouldn't wish on anybody.
43:39I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.
43:41In December 2024, I resigned as a police officer,
43:53and I felt that because of the relationship
43:56that I've built up with Tracy and the family,
44:00I wanted to keep in touch with them.
44:02I felt like that we had become more of friends, really.
44:06Oh, my God! What are you doing now?
44:11Oh!
44:12Oh!
44:13Oh!
44:14Oh!
44:15Oh!
44:16Oh!
44:17Oh!
44:18Thank you, stop coming!
44:19Sorry.
44:21Oh, bless you.
44:22You're not really well.
44:25You're OK?
44:27Oh, God.
44:28We've just built a really, really strong relationship
44:37and friendship, and, yeah, she just totally,
44:41totally gets me, and I'll thank her for that.
44:45It was a reality this Mother's Day
44:47when I went to the cemetery.
44:49Oh, right.
44:50And I was down there on my own,
44:51and I spent a few hours down there,
44:53and...
44:55Without her, you know,
44:57how would I have got through it all?
45:00Really.
45:01You know, with her updating me
45:03and being the support that she was.
45:05We've just known each other for, like, two years,
45:07haven't we, you know?
45:08Well, even though.
45:09Two and a half years, isn't it?
45:10Yeah.
45:11Even though that doesn't register in my head,
45:14because it's still, like, yesterday.
45:15It's still, like, yesterday.
45:17It's still a long time, isn't it?
45:19That was the worst howl of my life,
45:22and she was a very special person
45:25in that worst time in my life.
45:28It was a difficult case for me.
45:30It probably was the most difficult.
45:32Yeah, I knew that. I got that.
45:34Did you?
45:35Yeah, I picked up on that.
45:36Yeah.
45:37I think it's just because you were just
45:39such a lovely family.
45:41I felt proud to be part of a hard-working,
45:44dedicated team who'd put months and months of work
45:47into this case,
45:49and we were able to bring the suspects to justice.
45:52I'm glad I was there for you.
45:55I'm glad you was as well, Lisa.
45:57Yeah.
45:58I don't know what I would have done.
45:59Isn't that you?
46:00Sure.
46:01I won't ever forget yourselves or Cody.
46:06This case is one of the longest cases
46:09that I've been a family liaison officer for.
46:12It's been probably the most difficult case, I would say.
46:18So, yeah, this will be a case that I won't ever forget.
46:23It is a very drastic thing with your friends.
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