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Комиссар ЕС Лабиб: "Хамас не является для нас собеседником"
В обширном эксклюзивном интервью Euronews комиссар ЕС Хаджа Лабиб рассказывает о роли блока на Ближнем Востоке, а также в Украине - и защищает свою родную страну, Бельгию.
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В обширном эксклюзивном интервью Euronews комиссар ЕС Хаджа Лабиб рассказывает о роли блока на Ближнем Востоке, а также в Украине - и защищает свою родную страну, Бельгию.
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00:00Субтитры делал DimaTorzok
00:30Strengthening International Cooperation and Humanitarian Diplomacy
00:33Now, if that is not a crucial portfolio, I don't know what is
00:38So, I'm excited to be joined by EU Commissioner Hadja Labib
00:42Welcome to the program, it's a pleasure to have you here
00:45Thank you for having me, Stefan
00:46So, let me start by asking you about the situation in the Middle East
00:51You have expressed hope that work on a two-state solution can begin soon
00:57And it shouldn't be a mere slogan
01:00Now, today, are you more hopeful or less hopeful about this?
01:05It's clear that the ceasefire has opened a window of hope
01:09We all saw the hostages back in Israel embracing their beloved one
01:16But we also saw, as well, millions of Palestinians going back
01:24And in a sea of rubble
01:27Without home
01:29Without nothing, by the way
01:32And so, the urgency is now to alleviate the suffering
01:36To recover
01:38And to provide humanitarian aid
01:41And that's exactly what we are doing
01:44This is the second phase of the humanitarian agreement
01:48The Israeli authorities agreed to let 600 trucks per day to enter into Gaza
01:57But we are not there yet
01:59And so, we asked the Israeli authorities to keep their promises
02:06The winter is coming
02:08The situation is dramatic
02:10With population, which is starving
02:14Children and women
02:16To the breach of the famine
02:19There is a famine
02:20And we want to avoid this famine to spread
02:23What can you do as European Union
02:25As European Commission
02:27As EU
02:28To, you know, accelerate that process?
02:31To put the pressure
02:32And, you know, that we proposed as a commission
02:36To lift partially the association agreement
02:39This is a tool that we have
02:42It's a leverage
02:43And that's why we decided
02:45The previous Foreign Affairs Council
02:48To let this tool on the table
02:51To say, look, the Israelis are
02:54The government is our first partner
02:58We are their first trade partners
03:01And we are the first global humanitarian donor
03:05Of the Palestinian authorities
03:08So, with this balanced approach
03:11We need also to be sure
03:13That all rules or principles are respected
03:17And you certainly heard about the article 2
03:21Of the association agreement
03:23Who asked our partner to respect human rights
03:26Now, you have been very critical towards Israel
03:30Already when you were Belgian foreign minister
03:33I'm not critical
03:34I'm balanced and just
03:36Okay, but you advocated a stronger European stance
03:40On the other side
03:42Benjamin Netanyahu has said
03:44On this program
03:45That Europe has become irrelevant
03:47And that some European countries' positions
03:50Amount to supporting Hamas
03:53How do we go from here?
03:55How can we improve relations with Israel?
03:57You know, I don't like to speak about
04:02Improving our relations with Israel
04:04It's about improving the humanitarian law
04:09The international humanitarian law
04:12And to remind that there are rules
04:16To be respected
04:17Convention
04:17Geneva Convention
04:19That asks that every state
04:23That is occupying a territory
04:25To be sure that the population
04:30Received basic help
04:32Aid
04:33And we are there to provide this aid
04:36We have tons
04:38Tons of goods
04:39Waiting
04:40At the border
04:41At the Rafa crossing
04:43And I repeat
04:44That part of the agreement
04:46Is also the delivering
04:48Of humanitarian aid
04:50We want to see
04:51Waves of trucks
04:53Entering into Gaza
04:54So
04:55We are in a sea
04:57Of destruction
04:59Ninety percent
05:00Of the buildings
05:02Are completely destroyed
05:04It gives you a glimpse
05:06Of what is at stake
05:08Let me go back to Netanyahu's remark
05:11That Europe is irrelevant
05:12Did he have a point here?
05:16Where do you see Europe's footprint
05:18In the diplomacy
05:20The ongoing diplomacy?
05:21We have been involved in the region
05:23As an honest broker for decades
05:26For Israel
05:27We are the first economic partners
05:30For Palestinians
05:32We are the first global donor
05:35Humanitarian donor
05:36But also we are supporting
05:38The improvement
05:39The reform
05:40Of the governance
05:41Of the Palestinian authorities
05:43And it is in the interest
05:45Of the Palestinians
05:46But also in the interest
05:48Of the Israelis
05:48To have
05:49A strong
05:51Robust
05:52Governance
05:53A Palestinian authority
05:55Who is recognized
05:56Who is democratic
05:57And we are helping them
05:59To reform
05:59And we are ready
06:01To play our role
06:02Be it by
06:04UBAM
06:05The EU
06:07Border
06:08Mission
06:09Of assistance
06:10By also
06:11Training
06:12With
06:12The policemen
06:14With
06:14UCOPS
06:15We have a lot of programs
06:16But we need
06:18Good faith
06:19From both sides
06:21And we are talking
06:22With all parties
06:23And another thing
06:25Is that
06:26You know
06:26Within our European Union
06:28We have a diversity
06:29Of opinions
06:30Of histories
06:31That is a very friendly
06:33Description
06:33Of the situation
06:35But also it shows
06:37That
06:37You know
06:38From us
06:40Emerge
06:41A compromise
06:42Which is also
06:44The right balance
06:45Between those
06:46Who feel close
06:48To the Israeli
06:48Governments
06:49And the others
06:50On this
06:51On this point
06:52And you were just
06:53Saying that
06:53Europe speaks to everybody
06:54I think
06:56Eventually
06:56It boils down
06:57To the question
06:58Will Hamas
07:00Disarm
07:01And move
07:03The ceasefire
07:04Agreement forward
07:05Do you see
07:06This happening
07:07I mean
07:08The whole thing
07:09It looks pretty
07:09Fragile
07:10Right now
07:11But will they do that
07:14And if they don't
07:15Want to do that
07:16Can Europe
07:17Put the pressure
07:18On Hamas
07:19Hamas is not
07:21An interlocutor
07:22For us
07:23It's a terrorist group
07:24The plan
07:26Is clear
07:27We need to see
07:29Hamas
07:30Disarmed
07:31And not being part
07:33Of the two state solution
07:35We don't want
07:36The extremists
07:37On board
07:38From both sides
07:39I have to say
07:39And it was also
07:41Clear when we
07:42Organized
07:43I was then
07:43Minister of Foreign Affairs
07:45The day after
07:46Conference
07:47With the Arab
07:49Countries
07:49With the Saudi Arabia
07:51And it was also
07:52On the table
07:52When France
07:54With the EU
07:55Organized
07:56The conference
07:57That leads to
07:58The recognition
07:59Of the Palestinian states
08:01From many member states
08:03Within the EU
08:04And for us
08:06It's clear
08:06Hamas
08:07Is not part
08:08Of the future
08:09And how do you
08:10Bring them
08:10To put the arms down
08:12Because this is
08:12With our commitment
08:15With our help
08:17With our diplomatic
08:19Pressure
08:19And also
08:21Our dialogue
08:21Our constant dialogue
08:23With the
08:23The Arab countries
08:26Yeah
08:26One more question
08:28Concerning
08:29The reconstruction
08:30Of Gaza
08:30You've said
08:32How the situation
08:33Is
08:33And this is
08:35Typically
08:35A situation
08:37Where Europe
08:38Is very strong
08:39Helping
08:40With money
08:41With expertise
08:42Humanitarian aid
08:44Etc
08:44Some observers
08:47Suggest that
08:48Europe may lose
08:50This spot
08:51Because the Gulf states
08:54Are more and more active
08:55Diplomatically
08:56Financially
08:57Economically
08:58Do you see this
09:00Potentially happening
09:02That Europe is further
09:03Pushed to the sidelines
09:05Here
09:05To the benefit
09:07Of the Gulf states
09:08I don't think so
09:10I'm rather convinced
09:11To the contrary
09:12We are sitting at the table
09:15We have our place
09:16As honest brokers
09:17Speaking with all parties
09:19With the Gulf countries
09:20But also
09:21With the Americans
09:22With the Israelis
09:23And we have this expertise
09:27We are supporting
09:28We are the first
09:29Humanitarian donor
09:30But also
09:31In corporation
09:32In development
09:32We are really involved
09:34And we are supporting
09:35Also
09:37The Palestinian authority
09:39To reform
09:41To become
09:42Democratic countries
09:43To organize
09:44In a near future
09:45We hope
09:46Also
09:46Universal elections
09:49And so on
09:50And to regain
09:52Also
09:52The trust
09:53Of their own citizens
09:55Let me
09:57Pivot now
09:58To the war in Ukraine
10:00If I may
10:01I said at the beginning
10:02You are also in charge
10:03Of civil preparedness
10:05In a different sense
10:07Is the European public
10:09Prepared
10:10To support Ukraine
10:13As long as it takes
10:14This is our motto
10:17You know
10:18When I was Minister
10:19Of Foreign Affairs
10:20I remember
10:20We were always repeating
10:22That we will
10:23Support Ukraine
10:25As long as it takes
10:27And we are
10:28Doing so
10:29And we will continue
10:30To do so
10:31I have travelled
10:32A lot
10:33Many times
10:33In Ukraine
10:35And for instance
10:36They are
10:37Also leading
10:39By example
10:40When it comes
10:40To preparedness
10:41And you know
10:43Through our
10:45ECHO system
10:46DG ECHO
10:47Which is under
10:47My remits
10:48This is the largest
10:50Operation
10:51Ever
10:52Led by
10:53Our services
10:54Transporting
10:56More than
10:57150,000
10:59Items
11:00Mainly
11:01Generators
11:03To help Ukraine
11:04To help Ukraine
11:04A country
11:06Which is targeted
11:07In its
11:08Civilian infrastructures
11:10In blatant violation
11:12Of international
11:13Humanitarian law
11:14Again
11:14Can you talk
11:16To very concrete
11:16Aspects
11:17Of EU
11:18Humanitarian
11:18Aid
11:20And is it
11:21Is the situation
11:23Possible
11:23Conceivable
11:24That Europe
11:25Would take in
11:26More refugees
11:27If the situation
11:29On the ground
11:30Requires it
11:30We already
11:32Welcomed
11:33Millions of refugees
11:36With a specific
11:37Statue
11:38Allowing them
11:39To work
11:39And to be
11:40Really fully
11:41Integrated
11:42In our societies
11:44And it was
11:45It is
11:46A success
11:47Now
11:48When it comes
11:49To our concrete
11:50Support
11:50You know
11:51When I was
11:51Travelling there
11:53The last winter
11:55I remember
11:56Visiting schools
11:58Building
11:59In a shelter
11:59You know
12:00It's the only way
12:01To ensure
12:03Education
12:05For Ukrainian
12:06Children
12:07But also
12:08Protection
12:08Of the elderly
12:09And the people
12:11With disabilities
12:12As you mentioned
12:13I'm also
12:13Responsible
12:14For equality
12:15And to ensure
12:16That we are not
12:17Leaving no one behind
12:20And especially
12:21The most fragile
12:22In Ukraine
12:23The last EU summit
12:24Just signed off
12:25On the
12:2619 sanctions
12:27Package
12:28Against Russia
12:29And continue
12:30To stand
12:31With Ukraine
12:32At the same time
12:33The question
12:34Of frozen assets
12:36The loan
12:37For Ukraine
12:38Has been
12:39Kicked down
12:40The road
12:41Into the next month
12:43What message
12:44Does this send
12:45To Ukraine
12:47And to Ukrainians
12:48And Belgium
12:49Played an active role
12:51Here in this
12:52Blocking the loan
12:53For now
12:54We are not
12:54Blocking the loans
12:55And for two years
12:59Now
12:59We are also
13:01Giving to Ukrainians
13:04The profits
13:05The interest
13:07Of these loans
13:09That are blocked
13:10That are frozen
13:11But these loans
13:13You know
13:13Need to be
13:14It's the first
13:15In our history
13:17We don't have
13:18An example
13:19To follow
13:20And it needs
13:22To be secured
13:23In a legal
13:24Point of view
13:25That's the only thing
13:26That's the only point
13:27And the message
13:30That we are
13:32Conveying
13:33To the Ukrainians
13:34Is that
13:34We are
13:35By your side
13:36Always
13:37We will help you
13:39To defend
13:40Your borders
13:41Because your borders
13:42Is our borders
13:43And we don't want
13:44To see
13:45Further
13:46The Russians
13:47Grapping
13:48Territories
13:50Ukrainian territories
13:51We are well aware
13:52And we are
13:53Constantly repeating
13:54That their securities
13:55Are security
13:56So we are
13:58With them
13:59We are going
14:00To also
14:01Reinforce
14:01Our own security
14:03And
14:04But we just
14:06Need to
14:06Time
14:07I think
14:07It's a
14:08It's a question
14:09Of time
14:09On that point
14:11We've seen
14:12Russian hybrid
14:13Attacks
14:13On
14:14Europe as well
14:16Cyber attacks
14:17Drone incursions
14:18And other operations
14:20Does Europe
14:21Take this
14:22Hybrid war
14:22Seriously enough
14:23Very seriously
14:25And that's why
14:26A couple of months
14:27Ago I presented
14:28The preparedness
14:29Strategy
14:30Which is based
14:31On all hazards
14:33All kind of threats
14:35Because today's threats
14:36Are not yesterday's threats
14:38Yesterday it was mainly
14:39Wildfires
14:40Floods
14:41Natural disaster
14:43But today
14:44We see drones
14:45Violating our
14:46Airspace
14:48It happens even here
14:50In Belgium
14:51In other
14:53In Denmark
14:53In Poland
14:54In Estonia
14:56And we saw
14:58The hybrid threats
15:00Misinformation
15:01Disinformation campaign
15:03During the
15:04Moldovan elections
15:05With 14 million
15:08Attempts
15:10To disturb
15:12And cyber attack
15:14To influence
15:15The result
15:16Of the election
15:17Fortunately
15:18It was unsuccessful
15:20But it means
15:22That we are facing
15:23A multiplication
15:25Of threats
15:26So
15:26In short
15:28Is Europe
15:30Ready for war
15:31We are preparing
15:32We are prepared
15:34Every day
15:34For everything
15:36Okay
15:37And let me go back
15:39To the Belgian position
15:40On the frozen assets
15:41I want to explain
15:43I know that you are
15:44Skeptical
15:45I saw your face
15:46I just want to explain
15:47War is not
15:48You know
15:49A char
15:49Or a soldier
15:50Knocking at your door
15:51Saying
15:52Oh look
15:53I'm going to invade you
15:54No
15:54It is not a reality
15:56Today's reality
15:57Is a virus
15:59A chemical attack
16:00A nuclear incident
16:02That is maybe provoked
16:04By
16:05Power outages
16:08You know
16:08All these things
16:09Are very subtile
16:11So
16:11We need to have
16:13A good understanding
16:14Of today's threat
16:15Now on Belgium
16:16And the frozen assets
16:17I want to come back
16:18To this
16:19What message
16:21Does the Belgian position
16:23Send to the Ukrainians
16:25Right now
16:25The fact is that
16:26Euroclear
16:27Is based in Belgium
16:29It's an international
16:30Platform
16:31And
16:32The message is clear
16:35We are with the Ukrainians
16:38And we will support them
16:40In their efforts
16:41Of war
16:42But we need time
16:43We need to secure
16:45The legal aspect
16:47To be sure
16:49That Belgium
16:50Is not going to be brought
16:52In front of a court
16:54Of justice
16:55Later on
16:56That's it
16:57So the Belgian
16:58Prime Minister
16:59Has repeatedly said
17:00He fears
17:00Retribution
17:02From Russia
17:03Legal
17:04Legal problems
17:05How serious
17:07Is that
17:08Especially
17:08In a context
17:09Of war
17:10And are the others
17:12Immune
17:14To that argument
17:15Why is that
17:16Why is there still
17:17No agreement
17:17On this
17:18Why is this
17:18So difficult
17:19To sort of
17:20Spread the risk
17:21Because
17:22It is
17:23A first
17:25In our
17:27History
17:28That we
17:30Are going
17:30To take
17:31The assets
17:32That are blocked
17:33Following
17:34An invasion
17:36A war
17:36An unfair one
17:38And so
17:39It is
17:40We don't have
17:41Examples
17:42To follow
17:43And it needs
17:45To be secured
17:45Legally
17:46That's it
17:47I want to ask you
17:48One last question
17:50I want to bring up
17:52A very particular
17:52Threat
17:53To our
17:54Societies
17:55And I know
17:55That you are
17:56Very concerned
17:57About that
17:58And that is
17:59Regression
18:01Intolerance
18:02And the demonization
18:03Of dissenters
18:05Racism
18:07Anti-Semitism
18:08And sexism
18:08Are on the rise
18:10You are in charge
18:11Of equality
18:11And inclusion
18:13How do you
18:14Promote this
18:15These days
18:16With good sense
18:17You know
18:19I like figures
18:21And obviously
18:24Equality
18:25Is also
18:26In the interest
18:27Of our economies
18:29Of our competitiveness
18:31We need to have
18:32All the skills
18:33The potential skills
18:36On board
18:36If we decide
18:37That half of the humanity
18:39Women for instance
18:40Cannot
18:41Have a complete
18:45And full
18:46Career
18:49To deploy
18:50All their talents
18:51That they are
18:53Reframed
18:54With
18:55Kids
18:57With
18:58You know
18:59Culture
19:00Impediment
19:02And also
19:02That we
19:03Don't accept
19:04The LGBTIQ plus
19:06People
19:06And so on
19:07This is
19:08An attempt
19:09Also
19:09To our competitiveness
19:10This is
19:11Reframing
19:11Ourselves
19:12And you know
19:14Violence
19:15Has a cost
19:17It costs
19:18290 billion
19:21A year
19:22For the entire
19:23European Union
19:24We all pay the price
19:26Of this violence
19:27Exclusion
19:28Has also
19:29A price
19:30This is
19:30390 billion
19:32A year
19:32So
19:33If we want
19:34To spare money
19:36In this
19:36Period of
19:38Financial crisis
19:39We need also
19:41To fight
19:42Against
19:42Exclusion
19:44Discrimination
19:45And to have
19:46All the skills
19:46On board
19:48All right
19:49EU Commissioner
19:50Hadj Al-Abib
19:51Fascinating conversation
19:52Thank you so much
19:53For coming on the show
19:54Thank you
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