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00:00We started this program talking about what is driving markets, the idea that nothing sticks to stocks, they just keep climbing and climbing.
00:07And I cited your comments from last week saying that at the end of the day there will be tariffs and the average tariff rate on the U.S. will be higher than it was previously and stocks still have to price that in.
00:17When do we start to see that happen?
00:19I've been trying to work. So let's look at the six month anniversary of like Trump's inauguration and kind of the scorecard.
00:24And I think some of the moves make a lot of sense. So obviously, we've had a lot of volatility. Not surprising.
00:31Dollar weakness, not surprising from the camp that I was in. Global stocks doing OK.
00:37So global stocks doing, you know, OK through the volatility. Fine. That actually was OK with me.
00:41U.S. stocks underperforming makes sense. I'm surprised how resilient U.S. stocks have done. So I'll come back to that.
00:46And I think yields ultimately being really volatile but caught between a mixture of kind of, you know, different drivers means they've net gone nowhere.
00:54Too dramatically. So what happens in the next bit? So I think the dollar downtrend can continue, but it's going to be more volatile from here.
01:00We've done the easy bit than we've done the dramatic bit. I continue to think U.S. stocks underperform.
01:04I'm a little bit worried we're due another more negative environment for that.
01:08So I'm overall remain stocks, global stocks will do very well in the next coming years because the easing of financial conditions from weaker dollar.
01:14And I think global growth will be fine. I think AI technology boom. But I continue to think U.S. stocks underperform.
01:19But I think that, you know, with the tariff deadline coming up, that's going to be more pressing very soon.
01:25So I think that's the thing that's going to change things. Two extra bits.
01:27What happens to yields in the second half? I am very, very confused there.
01:30Do we play the growth scenario of tariffs or do we get worried about fiscal concerns, a little bit more dramatic long-end yields?
01:35But I know where the extra catalyst is there. We've had the big, beautiful bill. We've had the Japanese election.
01:40We've, you know, we've had everything that should be the big catalyst for the sell-off.
01:43And it's not really gone dramatic yet. So ultimately, I guess the big question is, what happens with tariffs with the private sector?
01:49How much of a private sector contraction do we get? That's going to decide what happens to U.S. stocks.
01:53But at the moment, all good. U.S. market cracks on. U.S. economy looks really resilient.
01:57Global economy looks really resilient. Nothing sticks.
02:01The kind of – how hard is it to shake the narrative of just buy the dip?
02:07Once again, it was proved back in April, buy the dip.
02:09But I'm hearing people talking about waiting for an opportunity to buy the dip.
02:13It's coming again. Great. Yep. Mark's talking about lots of negatives.
02:16They're all going to come through at some point. Fantastic. Great. Big opportunity coming up.
02:20I agree. That's the perspective of a bull market.
02:22When you've got everyone saying, it's going to be a dip I'm going to buy into, that's a bull market.
02:25It's because no one's on the market. And I agree.
02:27The institutional market investors are underweight this. And that's quite a bullish factor.
02:32So you've got – the only reason you get a big sell-off here is if tariffs are a real negative.
02:37And I – one of the things that I – we were talking on the show in the last week is that, you know,
02:41it seems to me that investors really are in denial that real tariffs are going to stay sustained still.
02:47And so I think the fact that –
02:47Nobody believes it.
02:48And I think that if we do get real tariffs sustained, as I expect we will do,
02:52then I do think that will be a big shock for the private sector.
02:54People have delayed reacting because of the uncertainty.
02:57And they might delay further.
02:58I think one of the things that's changed, one of the things that – you know, I got really wrong this year,
03:01there will be some binary tipping point.
03:02I think it's not.
03:03I think this is a real, like, slow-going story because different sectors react at different points
03:08depending on what the tariffs come through.
03:10But ultimately, we'll see a private sector contraction.
03:12And that will counteract the positive tailwind we're seeing from the fiscal side around the world
03:16and the fact that we've got an easing of financial conditions from the dollar.
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