00:00What is the latest?
00:03Well, yes, as you say, we are now on to day 12.
00:06The police say they are not yet scaling back the search,
00:09but it is eerily quiet up here
00:11and it does feel like that's where we're going.
00:14We're at that point in the investigation where it's accepted.
00:16If Jay was out here, if he got stuck in this terrain,
00:19the likelihood is they are looking for a body.
00:22However, his family and friends are desperately trying to hang on
00:25to any alternative that would mean he's still alive,
00:28no matter how unpalatable the idea of an abduction might be.
00:34I spent time with his family.
00:35They are tight-knit and they are desperately trying to navigate this.
00:39And under request of Jay's mum, his best friend Brad,
00:42who was on that trip with him,
00:43who's one of the last people to speak to him,
00:45he sat down and spoke with me earlier.
00:48First of all, thank you so much for doing this.
00:49And I know you're only doing this because Debbie's asked you
00:51to speak on behalf of them and to let people know
00:54what your best friend was like.
00:55Describe, Jay, to me what his personality is like.
00:58We did the festival for three days.
01:01We'd do one day a festival.
01:02I'd be tired and rough in the morning.
01:04He's waking up fresh to go and do it all again.
01:06It's just everything we've done like that,
01:08he's just been, I don't know, I can't explain him.
01:10He's just different.
01:11He's excited.
01:12He's got a zest for life.
01:13He wants to go and enjoy every moment to the fullest.
01:16Yeah, he does.
01:16And he does that.
01:17He did that anyway.
01:18So you were actually on the phone to him that morning.
01:20He video called you.
01:21Tell me what he was saying to you.
01:23He was on the phone and he goes,
01:25I'm not walking down all around that road.
01:27And he's gone over a little bit, like a little,
01:29not a big drop, just a little tiny little drop.
01:31He's going down there.
01:33He goes, I'll ring you back, I'll ring you back.
01:34Because I think someone else was ringing him.
01:36And he'll probably, if you're thinking like me,
01:38he would have went back up and started walking around the path again.
01:41He wouldn't have gone all that way down there.
01:43So you said that you could see his feet
01:44and he was actually sort of sliding down the hill.
01:47Like you could hear the rocks.
01:48Yeah, that's how I knew he went off the road.
01:51Because you could hear, like, when you walk on gravel or whatever it is,
01:54you can, you know what I mean, it's storms.
01:57Were you concerned at that point?
02:01Not at the time, no, because we were both laughing about it.
02:03I think, he said, look where I am.
02:06I would just come out of a festival myself.
02:08Because he didn't seem concerned on the phone
02:10until we knew how far away we were.
02:13I said, put your location on.
02:15He said, a 15-minute drive or a 14-hour walk.
02:18I don't know if it's accurate or not.
02:20So I said to him, well, it's only a 15-minute drive, get a taxi.
02:24And what do you hope might be the outcome?
02:26Then he comes home.
02:28Someone brings him home, he's found somewhere.
02:31He just comes, I don't know.
02:32I don't know how to feel about anything.
02:34It's been, I've been here now.
02:36We've been missing for 10, 11 days.
02:38And every day, I mean, my mind's just going blank.
02:40I don't know what to say anymore.
02:43Obviously, everyone's just come home.
02:44I'm praying he comes home every night.
02:46I've still got, I've still got hope for him.
02:48I still feel like he's somewhere.
02:49Well, what Brad told me in that interview has actually impacted the focus of the search by experienced British climber Paul Arnott.
02:58You'll be able to see him over there on the road line.
03:01So he is accessing places that even the police aren't able to go to.
03:05He's a very experienced climber.
03:06So he's actually going along looking for downward skidding tracks.
03:11He's been shown the trainers that Jay was wearing.
03:13Now, Brad said his instinct is he thinks his friend would have realised the impossibility of trying to navigate this terrain and would have gone back onto the road.
03:21However, a car would have seen him.
03:23We do know he had one further call with a friend, Lucy.
03:26The tone of that call was definitely more distressed.
03:29And then his phone died.
03:31So they have a really difficult job here.
03:34I can't express enough how difficult it would be to find a body in this terrain because of the canopy.
03:38They're not looking for a needle in a haystack.
03:40They're looking for a needle in a hayfield.
03:42Yeah, you can really see that.
03:44Thank you so much, Isla.
03:45Honestly, it's really distressing, isn't it?
03:47It's so, so distressing.
03:49But thank you so much.
03:50Listen, Craig is here.
