00:12You know, what made you each want to sign on to this show?
00:16I'll go first.
00:17I'm a board certified,
00:19triple board certified plastic surgeon, so of course.
00:22For me, it was about,
00:24I had gone through my own journey with explanting
00:27and going through my own health journey.
00:30So I know what it's like to do,
00:34alter my body and not only regret it,
00:38but also moved on in my life to a point where I was like,
00:41I don't, I don't, I can release this.
00:43I'm not who I am now was not who I was when I got these.
00:47I was 21 when that journey started
00:49and two other subsequent surgeries.
00:53So when they came to me about it,
00:56it made the most sense to me
00:57because I wanted to go through the journey with these people
01:00as one of them who has done it and help guide them,
01:04not being a professional, but being somebody who has lived it.
01:07For me, obviously, I've been doing 10 years of Botched.
01:10And, you know, it's really interesting.
01:13There's been such a change in celebrities talking about plastic surgery
01:17and the transparency and they're listing the procedures and the surgeons,
01:22but they don't really necessarily focus on the other side of it.
01:26And there's about 40% estimate of people who have cosmetic surgery actually regret it.
01:3240%?
01:3240%.
01:33Wow.
01:34And, you know, one of those celebrities actually two years ago,
01:38Kylie Jenner, said two years ago that she regretted having done all that surgery,
01:42particularly at that age.
01:44And so plastic surgery regrets a real thing.
01:46So it's the next natural evolution of Botched.
01:50A lot of these people, these celebrities, part, if not all of their identity is based
01:56on that procedure that they had.
01:59And what happens when you take away the thing that they're most identified or recognized by,
02:06that has a whole nother set of issues that may go along with it.
02:10I'm so happy that we had the super expert, Dr. Spirit, to work on that because that was
02:15like, you know, psychology without a scalpel, you know, or plastic surgery without a scalpel
02:21is what it was.
02:22And an even more important component of the show.
02:25I respect that too, because one of the things that we like to joke about is being like emotional
02:29surgeons, right?
02:30Right.
02:31And so I work with a lot of clients behind the scenes on many issues that look like this.
02:36And so for me, coming back to television is the opportunity to kind of put the medicine
02:41in the candy, so to speak, and to utilize television to magnify the messages that I see
02:46in the office.
02:47So when they called me and asked me to be a part of it, and they told me, you know,
02:51I was really worried too about how they would be framed, what stories would be told and what
02:56was the point.
02:57And once they told me what they wanted to do, I was hooked.
02:59There was no way that I wasn't going to be a part of it.
03:01Oh, that's amazing.
03:02Yeah.
03:03Well, Michelle, you are the host extraordinaire.
03:06What was your first impression of that first set of guests that came in?
03:10I, again, I was excited, but I felt a kinship with them because I know what the journey
03:16is like.
03:17I know it's personal, but to know what lies ahead for them, you get to a place like at
03:22some point I got to a place where I just wanted my implants out.
03:27I didn't care what I look like.
03:28The reality is I actually did care what I look like.
03:31It has to be done correctly by the right doctor.
03:33And thank God we have the amazing Dr. Dubrow working on these people if they choose to go
03:37through with it.
03:38I was excited, yeah, that I knew what was to come for them.
03:44It's really exciting.
03:45And Dr. Spirit, you're the resident body image expert.
03:48You know, what was it like to get to know these celebrities and influencers?
03:52And was there anyone who surprised you once you met them?
03:55You know, they all surprised me in different ways because it really is about how vulnerable
04:01people are you willing to be.
04:03And so I think this show was very different than a lot of shows most celebrities are used
04:08to being on because they're looking for the drama, they're waiting for the hook, they're
04:11waiting for let me kind of find the lane where we have the fireworks.
04:15And it was like, no, the fireworks are coming from your heart.
04:19We want your actual stories.
04:20We want to understand how did you get here?
04:22What is the journey?
04:24Most of them will surprise you in some really amazing ways.
04:27Even when you think it looks one way, it looks something totally different four or five episodes
04:31in.
04:32Is Audrey O'Day going through the whole Diddy thing?
04:35Yeah.
04:36Because he got arrested.
04:37He got arrested while we were filming.
04:38Just as she came on the show.
04:39Yes.
04:40Going through the whole Diddy thing, talking about that and considering having a surgical
04:45procedure in the midst of all that emotionality, very heavy.
04:49And how do you help somebody through that?
04:52Because that's like even beyond just the plastic surgery, like that's a whole other piece,
04:56the whole Diddy thing.
04:57Well, what you'll find is that everything is beyond just the plastic surgery.
05:02Deeper.
05:03Deeper than the surgery.
05:04Yes.
05:05So you'll think that it is about, I want to change this.
05:07And you don't realize that what even took you to this was something that happened 20
05:11years ago.
05:12And then until you do the work on that, changing this is only going to lead you back to procedure
05:16after procedure after procedure.
05:19It all is interconnected.
05:20Dr.
05:21Dubrow, I feel like we saw your dad hat go on when you were talking to Brielle.
05:24As a parent and a plastic surgeon, you're raising kids in Beverly Hills and Orange County
05:28in this reality TV world.
05:30What do those kinds of conversations look like in your house?
05:33It's very tricky because my kids do express an interest in having filler, potential surgical
05:40procedures done.
05:41Of course, as a father, I say immediately, no, that's my instinct, but they look at me,
05:46they go, really?
05:47Really?
05:48They look around, they go, isn't this based on being plastic surgery?
05:52I just think it's important that if you're going to have those conversations, do a lot
05:57of listening.
05:59If you really want to go get a consult, get many consults.
06:02That's one of the things Michelle talks about a lot.
06:04Go to different physicians.
06:06We talk about celebrity transparency, but I think there's a significant lack of doctor
06:12transparency.
06:13Oh, that's good.
06:14What does that mean?
06:15Meaning you really should be turning down a great percentage of your patient.
06:19Unfortunately, to be honest, nothing against plastic surgeons, but when you walk into a
06:25plastic surgeon's office, they see a pre-op.
06:27Yeah.
06:28It's not necessarily truly a consult.
06:30How will they benefit?
06:32What should they really know about it?
06:34So if doctors were really more transparent and try to get a feeling of, why are you considering
06:39doing this now?
06:41And you know you're 20 and if you do filler, you may end up looking older, it may be difficult
06:47to get it out.
06:48You may have permanent swelling.
06:50So if plastic surgeons would just be a little more transparent, I think you'd have a lot less
06:55plastic surgery regret.
06:56It would also be easier if they didn't charge $5,000, $2,000, $1,000 for a consult.
07:00That you could apply towards the surgical fee.
07:02Right.
07:03The stakes are high.
07:04That's like wiring you in further.
07:05You don't want to lose the money.
07:06Yeah.
07:07You know, we're not selling.
07:08We shouldn't be selling surgery.
07:09Right.
07:10Dr. Spira and Michelle, as women, how did it make you guys feel when you heard that
07:14Brielle kind of started doing this stuff to her face the second she turned 18?
07:19So what age were you?
07:20I had just turned 18 when I first got my lips done.
07:24Wow.
07:25Yeah.
07:26I graduated high school.
07:27Okay.
07:28And the second I graduated, my mom took me to LA and I got my lips done by the doctor.
07:32Everybody was getting their lips done at the time.
07:34And there was no hesitation from the doctor doing it to someone who's 18, right?
07:38No, it was like, get in the chair, let's go.
07:40I mean, I can only speak from the entertainment side.
07:43And for me, I'm a mother of two kids.
07:47And that tracks if you grow up on television or social media.
07:52And that's why social media is a horrible place for kids to be weaned off of Elmo.
07:58And you jump onto TikTok or jump onto Instagram.
08:01I'm being, you know, honest because they're seeing something.
08:05So our Instagram and our social media is curated for you to see the best that we look, the best that we can live our lives.
08:12You never see us like a ratchet and really how I wake up in the morning.
08:15That's the truth.
08:16So it's fabulous.
08:17I love you.
08:18But kids are still going to look at it and go, oh, I want, I want to look like that.
08:22I want my butt to look like that.
08:23I want my boobs to look like that.
08:25And that's not truth.
08:27That is not authenticity, but that is what the kids see.
08:31So for me, it's, it's, it tracks to have an 18 year old go and get filler.
08:37I tell parents all the time, your children are not going to love themselves the way you have loved them.
08:42They're going to love themselves the way you love yourself.
08:45So as she walked through the doors with her mother, it was show me the through line then.
08:49Now, Kim, talk to me about how your mother loved you.
08:52That was great.
08:53And as you see the show, you will see the intergenerational languaging, the intergenerational perspectives,
09:00and even the intergenerational trauma that if they don't disrupt the pattern, Brielle's children will be under the knife as well.
09:08There are a lot of celebrities out there, a lot of plastic surgery.
09:11Who would you each like to see come onto this show in the future?
09:15I, this is probably a blanket statement, but I think for us, it's about the people who are interested in actually moving the needle in their lives and making the decision that they no longer are enslaved by social media or physicality, you know, or, or aesthetic, so to speak.
09:36People who are ready to release it and move on to the next chapter in their life.
09:40It's not easy.
09:41Having gone through it, I was known for giant boobs.
09:43To, to let go of them and really want to make peace with that is a very personal thing, whether it's that, a butt, filler, lips, hair, whatever it is.
09:53Um, it, we welcome everybody, but they have to be people who are willing to take the journey.
10:00Yeah.
10:01Yeah.
10:02For me, it's any celebrity that has regret, you know?
10:04Maybe Kylie.
10:05No, I don't know.
10:06Yeah.
10:07She has regret.
10:08Yeah.
10:09Has regret and, um, and understands what emotional toll it might take on them if they do rewind and what risks they're taking on by.
10:20You may rewind, you may go south with it.
10:24You may have a complication, you know?
10:26Right.
10:27Because the complication risk is very significant.
10:29It, it's a lot like Botch that way.
10:31Uh huh.
10:32It could go very sideways.
10:33Uh huh.
10:34And that was very scary.
10:35Yeah.
10:36You know, you operate with some influencers who are on the program.
10:39You know, you have a complication with someone with 20 million followers.
10:43Uh huh.
10:44That's a problem.
10:45Yeah.
10:46And that's your career.
10:47I work with a lot of celebrities behind the scenes is that I'm known for staying kind of out of the industry.
10:52I don't like to be influenced by what I see in the media.
10:55I don't like to be influenced by their coaches, by their managers, by all of these things.
10:59So when they come to me, I am literally meeting them for the first time.
11:03So what I would say is I'm interested in anybody coming who is interested in meeting themselves.
11:09I help them learn who they are and where it is that they're trying to go.
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