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Ongoing Gambling scandal- More to come?
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00:00There are some, many actually, who are bothered by the take from Coach Wiggins earlier.
00:08I can't deny it.
00:09But the Damon Jones, I might do that?
00:11Yeah.
00:12I'm just keeping it real.
00:13Like if I was making $200,000 and one of my buddies or somebody that I always had a good relationship with said,
00:20hey, listen, what's the deal?
00:22You think so-and-so might play?
00:25And I'm like, why?
00:26Let's use the example of LeBron James.
00:28Like you would be willing to share that information with nefarious people.
00:33That if I knew them and they're like, is LeBron going to play?
00:35And I'm like, oh, I don't think so.
00:38And I'm like, why?
00:39They're like, all right, we're going to lay a bet for $250,000.
00:41We're going to throw you 75 grand cash.
00:44All right.
00:45I think, though, like I agree with Wiggy more than normal today.
00:49But it's not just that.
00:52Is that you know that there are countless people doing this exact thing without paying consequences.
00:58So you're sitting there.
00:59You're not getting cash.
01:00Right.
01:01You know this is going on with people that know Steph or anybody else or Jason Tatum or Jalen Brown or Embiid.
01:08And you know what, Wigs, I go back to the the ownership's desire and the commissioner's desire to get rid of the players that sit on back to back nights that the star player missing games.
01:22And they changed the all NBA award structure so that you had to play a certain number of games.
01:28My guess is they knew this was going on.
01:31It wasn't just the ticket holder that didn't get to see the star.
01:34It was that Vegas in the betting world knew in advance what players weren't going to play.
01:39And they were making a crap load of money off.
01:41I probably wouldn't do the Terry Rogier thing.
01:43I probably wouldn't throw my career away for that if I'm making that.
01:46But if I'm Damon Jones and I'm an assistant coach and I'm not making, you know, a crazy amount of money and somebody's like, listen, I'm going to give you 75, 100,000 cash just to let me know if LeBron's going to play.
01:59Chauncey Billups has thrown his whole career away as a head coach.
02:03He'll never be a head coach again.
02:05Right.
02:05He may be bounced out of that NBA Hall of Fame.
02:08Right.
02:08And he's.
02:10Can you bet on the odds of that or.
02:12He's make was making reasonable money.
02:14Yeah, I might not do it if I'm Chauncey.
02:16But when you bring up Damon Jones, like you're trying to make a career in coaching right now.
02:21So you have almost like you haven't made enough for you to throw everything away.
02:26You go home to your family and you're like, oh, sorry.
02:28Yeah, I was betting or I was part of a poker game.
02:32And now everything's gone to ask.
02:34But how rich are the people on Wall Street that act on insider tips?
02:37Right.
02:38And if you're you're taught, we're talking about like, you know, 100,000 cash where you're like, I can get that by just telling a buddy of mine.
02:48We all agree that it's very enticing.
02:51Right.
02:51So for you to say there and sit there and I'm not saying you wouldn't, but I'm just going to keep it real.
02:58You probably if I was Damon Jones, I probably would do that.
03:02You know, it's the very like I could not agree with what Shaq said more.
03:07It's the very the very integrity of the game that you are selfishly putting at risk yourself.
03:13But with all your respect to Shaq, the guy got more cash than anybody to go to LSU.
03:17Like he can't really stand up and be holier than thou about the rules about playing basketball.
03:22He totally got illegally recruited.
03:24And if I'm a player in that league, I look at integrity in the game on how they treated me.
03:29Like I love the NFL, but I was, you know, and get it.
03:33I know it's what I signed up for, but they didn't treat me right.
03:36It was like, all right, go out there and, you know, something like I don't even get insurance from them.
03:41Like the fact that I was a former player, I played eight years.
03:44Like I don't get insurance from them.
03:47You know, retired players don't get insurance.
03:49You get five years and then they're like, beat it, buddy.
03:51Don't you have to like if you hit 10 years, don't you get something?
03:54You get you get money.
03:55You get your like everybody else that gets.
03:59What's it called when you get 65 and you retire?
04:01You get your social security.
04:03Your pension.
04:03This is Art from Walpole.
04:06What's up, Art?
04:08Good morning, guys.
04:09I made a similar call the other day to Chris and Ken.
04:12We all have to be naive, guys.
04:15If we feel that everything in sports with the billions and billions of dollars bet every day is on the up and the up.
04:24I mean, if you have to step back between referees and players, come on.
04:30I mean, look at the call on Stephon Diggs a couple of weeks ago, that phantom call.
04:35That might have been a bet on something about Patriot scores in a particular quarter.
04:39It doesn't have to throw the entire game.
04:41But you know what?
04:42Come on.
04:43We were talking about it.
04:44We have to step back.
04:45We were talking about it earlier about that particular call in that game.
04:50The officials, to me, are ripe for being involved in this because they don't make – they're not even full-time in the NFL.
04:58Yeah, but not every call is rigged.
05:00Like, some calls are just bad calls.
05:02Correct.
05:03Right, but there are bad calls.
05:04And then there's what happened against the Patriots and the Saints that Greg brought up.
05:07And then there's the NFC title game a couple years ago with the Rams and the Saints that Boomer brought up.
05:12Yeah, I understand.
05:14Those were not bad calls.
05:15Those were impossible to defend.
05:17I understand, Curtis.
05:18But the Stephon Diggs thing, there's no way someone was benefiting from that.
05:23Like, there's – you can't – first of all, the Patriots went down and scored a touchdown anyway.
05:27So if you're trying to keep points up the board –
05:29Well, it doesn't mean that they're not going to try to – what was the – what was over for that game?
05:3540-45?
05:37For the Saints game?
05:39I don't remember what the over was.
05:40I can try and check.
05:42Like, it ended up being – I think the under ended up hitting.
05:47Mm-hmm.
05:48What was the number of that game?
05:5044?
05:5025-19 was the final score, so it ended up getting 244.
05:54Yeah, yeah.
05:55Right?
05:56And so, look at it going in.
05:58I mean, you don't think it's possible that the guy who's throwing that flag wants to –
06:04It could be either side.
06:06Right.
06:06Wants to stop him from –
06:06Why didn't he throw more flags in on that drive?
06:09Okay, but you can do –
06:10Because you can't make it – because you don't make it obvious.
06:12Too obvious.
06:13You throw it early in the game, and then you're trying to affect the outcome of the game points-wise.
06:18Yeah, I just – I think – I understand that you can believe that some things may be on the take,
06:24but I also don't think that you can say that every horrendous call made is a result of somebody being on the take.
06:32I think that's a bridge too far.
06:33Nobody's saying that.
06:34No, I understand.
06:35I'm just – I just want to clarify that.
06:37I mean, you probably –
06:38Sorry, Curtis.
06:39Prior to yesterday, you probably looked at instances in Terry Rozier's career in which he – you said,
06:46wow, he had a really bad game.
06:48Well, it turns out he didn't really have a bad game.
06:51He was throwing the entire game.
06:54But not everybody's Terry Rozier, though.
06:56I'm not correct.
06:57My goodness.
06:57What are you not hearing?
06:58Yes, we get that.
06:59The point is that it doesn't mean that every call is a sign of a conspiracy to shave points.
07:04But that's how you're making it seem.
07:06No.
07:06What are you talking about?
07:07He's making it seem that way.
07:08We're citing two calls in seven years of NFL football.
07:11Yeah.
07:12In what way are you getting that to be seven years of every call is on the take?
07:16I would say, if anything, the advent of legal gambling platforms has created a more informed wagerer.
07:29Correct.
07:30Like, look at Brees Hill's generation.
07:33Mm-hmm.
07:34And so, therefore, they are more apt to – there are guys listening now and ladies listening right now who could – I guarantee you can call and tell you 10 instances off the top of their head where they had money on the line, you know, and there was an odd call that was made at the end of a football game that prevented a field goal.
07:54Or there was – there was a performance then by an individual in the NBA who – you had a horrible game and is throwing the ball away throughout the entire game.
08:06It was the kid they highlighted in college, the quarterback, where all he has to do is take a knee, go back, and the time runs out.
08:16And he went – he ran 40 yards into the end zone and then runs out of the back of the end zone and it becomes a safety.
08:26And there were people on there talking about – I can't remember what college football game that was where by him going out of the end zone into a safety, it ultimately ended up to spread.
08:36Something along that.
08:37Was that the bad beats with SVP?
08:39He does that.
08:40He sometimes highlights on ESPN.
08:41Yeah, I saw it on social media.
08:43I can't remember what college – but the kid – literally, there was like two seconds on the clock.
08:47All he had to do is go back a couple of yards.
08:49He went 35 yards back into the end zone and people are like, what the hell is he doing?
08:53This is Phil from Danvers.
08:56Hey, Phil.
08:58Hey, guys.
08:59Listen, Wiggy, I just wanted a real quick thing about what you said about the money.
09:04Look, I find you to be great entertainment.
09:06I really enjoy listening to you in the morning.
09:08But I really think you're hurting yourself by telling people live on the air that somebody who's making over $200,000, it's okay for him to risk his job and his reputation and his family's name and everything by just telling somebody that, you know, somebody isn't playing in the game.
09:24It's just not worth it.
09:25But, Phil, you're not listening.
09:26Phil, you're not listening.
09:27I didn't say it was okay.
09:28I said if I was in that situation, I might do it.
09:31And I'm not saying it's right.
09:32Well, you're okay with it.
09:36But I don't guess I don't get how you say I'm not saying, oh, you should do that.
09:41I'm saying if I was in that situation, maybe I might do that.
09:45I think you're saying also that, like, you understand why somebody would do it.
09:49Yeah, like, I don't get, like, people, like, listen, I'm not going to sit here and BS you and be, like, mightier, holier than now and say, oh, my God, he's so wrong for doing that.
09:58I'm just keeping it a buck with you, Phil.
10:00If you don't like that, I don't know what to tell you.
10:02If I was in that situation, who the hell knows?
10:04You disagree with Shaq.
10:06Yeah, I disagree with Shaq, but I don't know.
10:08Well, you think any money is.
10:09There's no dirty money.
10:11Listen.
10:11Well, I mean, did Shaq say the money he got from LSU, Boosters, was dirty money?
10:15I mean, it's such a hypocrite to say that.
10:16And I'm not saying, like, and I wouldn't say, like, oh, Phil, you capping because you would do it.
10:21I'm just saying this is me.
10:23This is my situation.
10:25And, yeah, is it right?
10:26Could I get in trouble and end up like Damon Jones and, you know, sully my name and my reputation?
10:33I mean, gamblers have been talking about Terry Rozier and Game 7 of the 2018 Eastern Conference Finals since that happened, where he went.
10:47It was, like, two for 14 or something like that.
10:51Four points.
10:53And people have been talking about that for a long time.
10:57Like, it's out there with – it's – I guarantee you guys who are guys and gals who are wagering on the reg can give you five examples of times when it was clear to them that something was amiss.
11:12Well, I think a lot – you can go this season.
11:14There are a lot of people that were pissed off about that Jared Goff touchdown and that got called back.
11:19And refs were going up to Dan Campbell saying that it was a touchdown, but it got overturned by New York.
11:24Great example.
11:24There are plenty of times this season where it's come up.
11:27Why don't you think that the pass interference call is reviewable?
11:30Because we all know they did that show and dance or whatever the hell after the NFC Championship.
11:35That next season, the NFL quote-unquote reviewed PI, but it is the most powerful call you have in sports where you immediately can give a guy 60 yards and it's non-reviewable.
11:47Right, and the thing about, like, you just brought up, Greg, with Terry Rozier and that game from a few years ago.
11:52Look at the Malik Beasley stuff when he got in trouble.
11:55There was a two-minute highlight reel of, like, you're like – so any play like a Terry Rozier, people are going to be like, oh, remember?
12:02In this case, you're sharing it with La Cosa Nostra, the mob, and they're going to go out and they're going to put $250,000 on it.
12:14So that's the difference.
12:17I mean, it's not somebody whispering – it's not Chauncey Billups whispering about how they're tanking the season to his buddy.
12:25It's sharing it with people who are going to go out and illegally make money off it.
12:31I'm not –
12:32That's a fair point.
12:33Real quick, real quick, though.
12:34One more thing.
12:35It's two separate things.
12:37Terry Rozier personally throwing his own stats is throwing the game.
12:42I don't think either of them are right.
12:44They're both wrong.
12:45But screwing the sportsbook over some money because you have inside information isn't affecting the integrity of the game.
12:52It's screwing the sportsbook, which is a billion-dollar industry.
12:55Who cares?
12:55They're two separate situations, in my opinion.
12:57For me, it's like I said, I know what they all did was wrong.
13:03I'm just saying here's where I could see why somebody would do that in that situation.
13:09And here's – if I was in that situation, maybe I might do it.
13:14I'm not going to sit here in front like I wouldn't.
13:15It's like people – you know, we all know people.
13:18You might know people in law enforcement showing you some information that they shouldn't be showing you.
13:25But because you're really good friends with them, they're like, look at what I see here.
13:29Or you might know somebody over here who's this.
13:34I'm just saying when you're friends with people and you're in a situation, like he said, you're having a few drinks.
13:41Next thing you know, it's like, you know.
13:43And if he's like, hey, I'll float you a couple bucks on it, that's me, though.
13:48Not everybody like me, though.
13:50If Wiggy is describing is that Damon Jones' circle included information that was very beneficial to people that wanted to pay him for it.
13:58Bingo.
13:59The people that are calling in saying holier than thou that Wiggy is immoral and he's a bad guy, it's easy to say that until you're presented with $100,000 for just a little bit of information and you can take care of your family.
14:13Like it's I'm not saying it is ethical, but to act like it is this clear, immoral, egregious act by a guy that's questioning the, you know, the veracity of the game.
14:24It's just.
14:25Listen, I wanted Pete Rose in the Hall of Fame and what he did was wrong.
14:28Right.
14:29I wanted him in the Hall of Fame and what he did was wrong.
14:31And I get it.
14:31And people do things wrong.
14:33And then over time, you know, they they they they they kind of redeem themselves.
14:37And not everybody agrees with me.
14:39Right.
14:39Curtis doesn't agree with me on the Pete Rose situation.
14:42But that's just my view of it.
14:43So for me, when I look at this, I know the integrity of the game is being tarnished.
14:48Yeah.
14:48I'm
14:48I'm
14:48I'm
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