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00:01:19Twisted History of Whores.
00:01:21I don't know.
00:01:24Like I like the word whore.
00:01:26I've always used it.
00:01:27You know, like whoring yourself out.
00:01:29Yeah, yeah.
00:01:29You know, he's a whore, she's a whore.
00:01:31You know, like that type thing.
00:01:33So it's always been kind of benign to me.
00:01:35I don't know if the word whore is shocking to other people or extremely insulting universally.
00:01:44I'm using it just because I feel comfortable with it, but I don't mean anything by it.
00:01:49If somebody calls you a whore, and because you're the only woman in this room, how insulted are you?
00:01:56I would be extremely insulted.
00:01:57You should be, you're not.
00:01:58But if you said I'm whoring you out, I don't know if I would necessarily take offense to that.
00:02:02If you were like, you whore, fuck you.
00:02:03Then I'd be like, oh, let's go.
00:02:05But if you're like, oh, I'm going to whore you out.
00:02:06Go help him.
00:02:07Could you help him?
00:02:08Like, I don't think I would take that as an insult.
00:02:10Conversely, I think that Vibs is a little bit of a whore sometimes, right?
00:02:13And it's not that bad.
00:02:15That guy's kind of weird, you know, as a badge of honor.
00:02:18But when you say man whore, that's like a, oh, ah.
00:02:21Yeah.
00:02:21It has a little bit of bite to it.
00:02:23Let's see.
00:02:23Ho, ho, ho is worse than whore, I'd say.
00:02:27Yeah, that's got an urban thing to it, too.
00:02:29I'm not sure we're allowed to say ho.
00:02:31We have to call it the H word.
00:02:32What?
00:02:32No, I'm just kidding.
00:02:33Thesaurus.com is 88 synonyms for the word whore.
00:02:36That's a song, right?
00:02:37And Merriam Webster, that funky bitch, what?
00:02:38Isn't there a song?
00:02:39Oh, no, that's 88.
00:02:40What is that?
00:02:41Isn't that you have a song?
00:02:41You always sing 88 something?
00:02:43Never mind.
00:02:43Yeah, 88 lines about 44 women was a song by The Nails, if you guys want to check that out.
00:02:48It's very good.
00:02:49But anyway, Thesaurus.com, 88 words for whore.
00:02:53Merriam Webster, they have 118.
00:02:56So it does have a lot of different meanings to a lot of different people.
00:03:01Sex worker, prostitute, escort, call girl or call boy.
00:03:07For the purpose of this podcast, we're probably going to just concentrate mainly on female whores, just because when we go back in history, it seemed the majority of the prostitutes and courtesans and this and whatever were all women.
00:03:23But we were just speaking beforehand, Johnny and I and Joe from the equipment room.
00:03:29I had read a stat that 63% of the sex workers in the world are women.
00:03:36I thought that would be much higher.
00:03:37I thought, because OnlyFans, I don't know if you've been on OnlyFans, I'm asking you, honestly.
00:03:42Oh, yeah, brother.
00:03:43But have you paid for it?
00:03:44No.
00:03:44You just kind of snoop around every now and again.
00:03:46Like, I'll have a guest on and they'll be like, oh, so you'll hit their OnlyFans thing.
00:03:52And if you look on the main page of OnlyFans, it's all women.
00:03:56So I was expecting that number to be closer to 80%, which is why I kind of didn't do a lot of dudes in this one.
00:04:01Right.
00:04:01Yeah, 80% sounds more accurate.
00:04:0360s.
00:04:04Could you get an episode of, like, doing guys?
00:04:07Male whores?
00:04:08Yeah.
00:04:08Deuce Bigelow, male gigolo?
00:04:10Yeah.
00:04:10That Rob Schneider classic?
00:04:12Yeah.
00:04:13I think there was two of those.
00:04:14There was a sequel.
00:04:15Things are part two, right?
00:04:15Yeah, there was.
00:04:17So this one's probably going to be mostly ladies.
00:04:21I'm looking through, like, the notes and it's almost all ladies.
00:04:24And there's famous women.
00:04:25There's no famous.
00:04:26Like, are there any famous male whores?
00:04:28The people that I mentioned in, the people that we're going to mention in this podcast
00:04:32that are male are only mentioned because of their relationship with whores.
00:04:36Like Victor Hugo, which we'll mention in a couple minutes.
00:04:39But for the most part, we're going to be, this one's for the ladies.
00:04:42It's an absolute double standard and I'm okay with it.
00:04:45Streetwalker, hustler, hooker, hoe, tramp, floozy, woman of ill repute, working girl.
00:04:51Then we get a little more obscure.
00:04:52Some of these are old, like you're 80.
00:04:55Bawd, B-A-W-D, which is another word for a madam.
00:04:58Courtesan, which is, I wrote the definition as a whore with rich clients.
00:05:03But courtesan is a very popular word.
00:05:05You're going to hear it a lot today.
00:05:06Harlot, I like that.
00:05:08Tart, trollop, strumpet.
00:05:10I like trollop.
00:05:11Trollop's not bad.
00:05:12I like, I still like hoe.
00:05:13Yeah.
00:05:14Concubine, I'm a little bit on the fence about.
00:05:17I'll tell you why once we get to Islam and their feelings about whores.
00:05:23Then there's one, hetera, which is a term for an elite female companion in ancient Greece.
00:05:28So somewhere between a courtesan and a mistress.
00:05:31By the way, the term mistress was originally used as a neutral feminine counterpart to master.
00:05:37Not mister, to master.
00:05:39Yeah, you would say the mistress of the house.
00:05:41Yeah, and referring to those of higher social status, it meant the woman married the owner or renter of the house.
00:05:47Then there's wench, which I love wench.
00:05:50Then there's one, meritrix, the Latin term for a registered prostitute in ancient Rome.
00:05:55And we'll get to that, too, about how, you know, these people were registered prostitutes that were pulling in a lot of money for a lot of different people, including a bishop, the Bishop of Winchester.
00:06:08And that's where I get my favorite whore nickname.
00:06:11And that's calling somebody a Winchester goose.
00:06:14I've never heard of that.
00:06:15Doesn't sound very insulting.
00:06:17Sounds kind of delicious.
00:06:18It's a medieval English term.
00:06:19Sounds like a menu item.
00:06:21Right, yeah.
00:06:21The Winchester goose.
00:06:23Or maybe like a...
00:06:23With a side of fig.
00:06:24Like a type of rifle.
00:06:26Oh, you're going for them?
00:06:27You better get the Winchester goose.
00:06:29Oh, yeah.
00:06:29Get dive bomb all over that.
00:06:31Medieval English term for sex workers under the jurisdiction of the Bishop of Winchester.
00:06:35So imagine banging or at least overseeing so many whores that they named the term after you.
00:06:41And this is me saying I wasn't around in the 1600s when whatever Bishop of Winchester was in charge.
00:06:49So I don't know if he was tasting the goods.
00:06:53But he was overseeing a tremendous amount of whores in Winchester so much so that they were called Winchester geese.
00:07:03And the reason they were called geese was two reasons.
00:07:07Their white breasts.
00:07:09They used to come out of their like bustiers and whatnot, which I find to be extremely hot.
00:07:14Right?
00:07:14Like in the movie The Patriot.
00:07:15I feel like they were in those...
00:07:16Fuck yeah.
00:07:16They got their cleavage pushed up, the boobs, and they're very pale.
00:07:20I was very into that.
00:07:22Like breasted geese.
00:07:23Yes.
00:07:24And also from the honking noises they made during sex.
00:07:27Oh, okay.
00:07:27So yeah, so big white breasts.
00:07:29I wonder if they were told to do that.
00:07:30I don't know.
00:07:31I mean, they say screeching or honking.
00:07:35I don't know.
00:07:36Through the bishop's licensing of brothels, he was able to collect significant revenue from prostitution.
00:07:41But his geese were never given any respect by the church so much so they couldn't be buried in a regular cemetery because their lifestyle was not considered to be in union with the church.
00:07:56So in Winchester, and again, I don't know exactly where it was in relation to other towns in England.
00:08:01There was a proper cemetery which was filled with good, God-fearing, law-abiding guys who banged prostitutes, but the prostitutes in which they banged weren't able to be buried next to them.
00:08:16It's a little hypocritical, isn't it?
00:08:17Sad, sad, sad.
00:08:18Yeah.
00:08:18The last thing I'm going to say about Winchester geese is that there was a phrase back then that I was bitten by a Winchester goose,
00:08:27which was just another word for contracting a venereal disease.
00:08:33So if you say, hey, I got a little case of the crotch crickets, somebody would be like, oh, you got bit by a Winchester goose.
00:08:37I like that, too.
00:08:39So he has whores named after him, and then he's got a venereal disease named after him.
00:08:43But there's a code.
00:08:44I don't think, kind of like drug dealers don't do their drug.
00:08:47Yeah.
00:08:48I bet he didn't touch the goods.
00:08:49Don't get high on your own supply.
00:08:50Or the geese.
00:08:50It's one of the ten crack commandments.
00:08:52Yeah.
00:08:53Yeah.
00:08:54I thought I'd bring that up.
00:08:55Give me some street cred.
00:08:56And if that's not enough street cred for you guys, for me, I was listening to a million dollars worth of game.
00:09:02I am not their target audience.
00:09:03Your street cred just went way out.
00:09:04I know.
00:09:05Yeah.
00:09:05I had to do a boxing tournament with Gillian Wallow down in Delaware.
00:09:11I was ringside with those guys doing color.
00:09:14No pun intended.
00:09:16And before I went to do it, I wanted to kind of, I don't know, learn what those guys were all about outside of the handful of times that we had met.
00:09:24And I liked Gillian Wallow quite a bit, or I liked them a lot.
00:09:28So I listened to, on the drive down to Delaware, I listened to two full episodes of Million Dollars Worth a Game for the first time.
00:09:35Broke my cherry, as it were.
00:09:37And at one point, either Gillian Wallow had said something about a guy and said, you know, he was wild for a long time.
00:09:44But, you know, he's calmed down ever since he's hot in Virginia.
00:09:47And I didn't know what the fuck that meant.
00:09:49That was so funny.
00:09:50I didn't know what that meant.
00:09:51What does it mean, dude?
00:09:52So I'm sitting there listening to this, fascinated by what is, since this guy got hot in Virginia, like I'm like, what did he do?
00:10:01Oh, oh, oh.
00:10:01Like the cops are on him.
00:10:03No.
00:10:03He's got a little heat.
00:10:04That's what I'm thinking first.
00:10:05Or he went on a fucking gambling run in Virginia.
00:10:08Or he just was plowing through a lot of girls in Virginia and decided to slow down.
00:10:13Well, hot in Virginia, according to Million Dollars Worth a Game, or at least at the time I was listening to him, meant he contracted HIV.
00:10:20Oh.
00:10:21Hot in Virginia.
00:10:23And I was like, so bitten by a Winchester goose or getting a little hot in Virginia.
00:10:28You could come back from a Winchester goose bite with just a little bit of antibiotics.
00:10:32But unless you're Magic Johnson, hot in Virginia is a fucking bad thing to be.
00:10:37So where does that come from?
00:10:39Do you know?
00:10:39I don't know.
00:10:40I think they just wanted to.
00:10:41I don't know.
00:10:42Listen, I don't have any, you know, cultural perspective on this.
00:10:46I'll find out.
00:10:46Yeah.
00:10:47I'll ask Gillian where he got it.
00:10:48I should.
00:10:50I want to have Wallow on the food show on You Gotta Try This.
00:10:53Because Wallow, for a while there, was doing, like, these prison recipes where he was basically making, like, a tuna melt in a toilet or something.
00:11:03You know what I mean?
00:11:03Yes.
00:11:04Yeah.
00:11:04Well, Wallow and Gilly have a steak and cheese company.
00:11:08Yeah.
00:11:09They're something like that.
00:11:10And they're delicious.
00:11:10They're incredible.
00:11:11Yeah.
00:11:12But he makes noodles, like, honestly.
00:11:15I bet his pruno is awesome.
00:11:17His pruno, yeah, the toilet wine.
00:11:19But he has, I think, right after McConaughey had put out his tuna salad, Wallow had put out his, too.
00:11:27And watching him cut vegetables with a fucking butter knife was just eye-opening.
00:11:32I bet they taste very different.
00:11:34Yeah.
00:11:34I think, yeah, probably.
00:11:36Yeah, I think everything about Wallow and Matthew McConaughey are probably very different.
00:11:40But the widely accepted definition of the word whore is simply a prostitute or sexually promiscuous woman.
00:11:48So, for people who think that I'm trying to be mean, just know that's the definition that I'm abiding by.
00:11:55It's synonymous to me.
00:11:57It can be used as an offensive and disparaging term.
00:12:00But in the case of this podcast, we're just calling spades a spade.
00:12:04Did Sopranos bring the word whore back?
00:12:07I grew up with the word whore.
00:12:09Like, growing up in the south part of Brooklyn, when I say south Brooklyn just because it was primarily Italian, I heard whore more often than I heard slut, whore, prostitute, hooker.
00:12:22As a matter of fact, when I was growing up, I thought whore was a contraction of the word hooker.
00:12:28Like, it just took out the K.
00:12:29So, it was like whore.
00:12:31Like, you know what I mean?
00:12:31But it's hoo-ah.
00:12:32Oh, she's a hoo-ah.
00:12:34Yeah, like that whole thing.
00:12:35Yeah.
00:12:35We were talking about words as whore offensive.
00:12:38Slut.
00:12:38That's a bad one.
00:12:39Slut's a bad one.
00:12:39That one has a lot of sting to it.
00:12:41Whore, I'm like, yeah, whatever.
00:12:42In our family, we always had the debate.
00:12:43I remember one night there was a debate between, you know, the uncles and stuff.
00:12:47Sure.
00:12:48And they're going back and forth.
00:12:49It's whore.
00:12:49It's hoo-ah.
00:12:50Going back and forth.
00:12:50And all of a sudden, the oldest of all the uncles walks in.
00:12:53What does it matter?
00:12:54Yeah, yeah, it's true.
00:12:55Yeah, exactly.
00:12:57Different strokes.
00:12:58Like, if I was to call up my brother Terrence, I have a brother who's a year and a half older
00:13:02than me, and, you know, obviously, we grew up together.
00:13:05Probably my brother Neil, who's eight years younger than me.
00:13:08If I was to call up either of them and ask them what is their favorite term for a prostitute,
00:13:15I would think both of them would say hoo-ah.
00:13:16Hoo-ah.
00:13:17And mine is-
00:13:18She was a hoo-ah.
00:13:19She was a fucking hoo-ah.
00:13:20Hoo-ah.
00:13:20What does it matter?
00:13:21Yeah, yeah.
00:13:22My father used to say, oh, look at the hookers all over.
00:13:24Yeah.
00:13:25Look at all the hookers.
00:13:26So prostitution is often called the oldest profession.
00:13:29It's just untrue.
00:13:30People have been paying other people to hunt and farm way before they started paying for
00:13:34sex.
00:13:34So perhaps we should put a caveat on it and call it the oldest profession that almost
00:13:38always involves naked tits.
00:13:39But I will say that reading more into this, what people, anthropologists, historians now
00:13:46seem to be agreed upon as the oldest profession for people who are keeping square at home,
00:13:52it's any kind of bastardization of a physician.
00:13:56People were hunting and gathering for themselves primarily.
00:14:01It wasn't like you were paying somebody to go out and get you a brontosaurus or anything,
00:14:05and I know that's ignorant to say.
00:14:06But once somebody had something that could cure another person, be it a shaman, a fucking
00:14:13witch doctor, some sort of prehistoric medicine or something like that, people were willing
00:14:17to trade goods for that.
00:14:19I would have guessed babysitting.
00:14:21Yeah, maybe that.
00:14:21Like in order for them to go out and hunt, someone's got to watch their luggage.
00:14:24Watch the kids.
00:14:25Yeah.
00:14:26Luggage?
00:14:27You know what I mean.
00:14:28Like you got to watch their shit, right?
00:14:30You got to...
00:14:30Yeah.
00:14:31And I think the way that that's traditionally seen is you get home drunkenly, give a girl
00:14:35a couple of 20s until I get back to her house, which is sort of the same thing you do with
00:14:39whores.
00:14:40I think more so trying to pay somebody to fix a broken leg.
00:14:44Like, you know, or, you know, you'd pay them more for that than you would for a brontosaurus
00:14:50burger.
00:14:51Maybe.
00:14:51I don't know.
00:14:52Brontosaurus burger.
00:14:52Yeah, yeah.
00:14:53The first recorded whore dates back to Sumerian records from 2400 BC.
00:14:59That's a long time ago.
00:15:01And a temple brothel in the city of Uruk.
00:15:04U-R-U-K.
00:15:06I don't know if I pronounced that right.
00:15:07I don't care.
00:15:08Sounds like something from Lord of the Rings.
00:15:10Uruk-hai?
00:15:10Yeah.
00:15:11Well, that's what I fucking...
00:15:12You guys are fucking crazy nerds because I looked up Uruk to try and figure out how
00:15:18it's pronounced.
00:15:19I've done it with a couple of words here, too.
00:15:21And they said that's where Peter Jackson got Uruk-hai from.
00:15:27Uruk-o, Uruk-o, Uruk-o, whatever the fuck you want to call it, is somewhere in modern day
00:15:31Iraq.
00:15:32And that was the first recorded brothel.
00:15:35But there are references to brothels in any ancient culture, including ancient...
00:15:40What are the big ones?
00:15:42Ancient Greece, ancient Rome, the Ottoman Empire, early kingdoms of the Aztecs and Incas, just
00:15:49about any culture that you can read about in a history book and beyond had, you know,
00:15:55places, centralized places where you could pay for sex.
00:15:59In Islam, which we talked about, prostitution is considered a sin.
00:16:03However, sexual slavery via concubinage, so having concubines, was not considered prostitution
00:16:11and was very common during the Arab slave trade from the Middle Ages up until the 20th
00:16:16century, which is one of those embarrassing...
00:16:19Like, it's a very apparent end around.
00:16:22It's a good loophole.
00:16:23Love a loophole.
00:16:24Yeah.
00:16:24But I think this is a bad one.
00:16:26Because I think they're saying, you can't have prostitutes, but you can keep sex slaves.
00:16:31Right.
00:16:32You know what I mean?
00:16:32Like, concubinage...
00:16:33They're not even getting paid anything.
00:16:34They're just saying, you're a sex slave.
00:16:36And perhaps they are.
00:16:36Like, you're taking care of them, getting them three hots in a cot...
00:16:39Right.
00:16:39...and keeping them in a harem.
00:16:41Like, that's the idea behind it.
00:16:42If it's like one of these old school sheiks with the big turban and you see like these harems,
00:16:48every time you watch it in like Conan, there's always like a big feather fan waving somewhere
00:16:52and then wearing like...
00:16:54I used to masturbate viciously to some of those things when I was a kid.
00:16:57Not anymore because I'm so happily married.
00:16:59But it's one of those things.
00:17:00I don't think the average concubine back in, you know, where, you know, I don't know, during
00:17:07the Arab slave trade, I doubt there was a lot of feathered fans around.
00:17:10You know what I mean?
00:17:11And by the way, these end arounds, I think the one that you're saying that you like a
00:17:14good end around, I believe Japan, you're not allowed pay.
00:17:19Vaginal prostitution is not allowed, but everything else is on the board.
00:17:22They blur it out.
00:17:23Yes, they do.
00:17:24They blur out genitals.
00:17:25But I think getting jerked off or blown or...
00:17:27By the way, this isn't very kid-friendly, this one.
00:17:29It's not.
00:17:30It is what it is.
00:17:30I don't care.
00:17:31Yeah.
00:17:31I think it's true.
00:17:32I think they read the title and they're like, all right.
00:17:34Yeah.
00:17:34But in Japan, I think it's one of those things where even though like vaginal prostitution
00:17:39is not allowed, you can still get what will take blown.
00:17:43You can be felated.
00:17:44But what you have to do is you can't exchange money with the hooker.
00:17:49That's not a happy ending.
00:17:50Across the street.
00:17:52You got a middleman?
00:17:53And buy, like let's say a Wendy is 10,000 yen, right?
00:17:59You have to go across the street to a store and say, can I get that wooden block, that
00:18:05carved wooden block?
00:18:06How much is that?
00:18:07Oh, it happens to be 10,000 yen.
00:18:09You take that block and you bring it across the street and you give it to the girl and
00:18:14that's how they do it.
00:18:15And the thing is, there's such a percentage of like voting people would be the thing that
00:18:22we can kind of see here.
00:18:23Like the elderly in Japan are a very powerful pack.
00:18:27So they just don't want to see prostitution.
00:18:29So they do this bullshit little end around, which I'd be willing to do.
00:18:33Like if I was in the market for a whore in Japan.
00:18:36So glad we cleared that up.
00:18:37I'm so happy we're on the same beach.
00:18:38I'm going to go across the street and buy a tchotchke and then give it to the girl.
00:18:43Hey, here's my little carved frog.
00:18:45You know, get on it.
00:18:46I would much rather do that than keep some girl as some sort of sex slave.
00:18:50So it meant like, does that kind of like coincide with the waving?
00:18:54Oh no, the koneko neku, whatever the hell it was.
00:18:57I don't know.
00:18:57Like if it's just a left hand, it's just like a, you know, squirt.
00:18:59There's waving hands involved, but I don't think it has anything to do with the cash.
00:19:02It also, I don't know, makes you feel less dirty than handing them cash.
00:19:05I think so.
00:19:05It's like, here's a little wooden, when you said frog.
00:19:07I don't have anything to confess if I give you a toy.
00:19:10Yeah.
00:19:11I'm not laying in sin.
00:19:12Like this is, this is.
00:19:13It's just a little whittled off.
00:19:14It's maybe a gift.
00:19:15It's so fucking apparent though.
00:19:17Right.
00:19:17Like I've, I've been to the red light district in Germany, uh, outside of Frankfurt.
00:19:24We drove through it and it looked kind of nice, you know, and it's all legal and government
00:19:31regulated and whatnot.
00:19:32And we did the twisted history of prostitution back in 2021.
00:19:35And we spoke about some of those huge government run, I believe it was called the Pasha.
00:19:42The Pasha was like that 30 floor building.
00:19:46That's just, as you get higher and higher, the girls get more and more expensive.
00:19:50Like, you know what I mean?
00:19:51And those girls were given three hots and a cot and all that kind of stuff.
00:19:54And they had a pretty good percentage.
00:19:55Would that explain the magazine penthouse?
00:19:57Yeah, maybe.
00:19:58Yeah.
00:19:58Yeah, maybe.
00:19:59Uh, there were multiple mentions of whores in the Bible, including, um, some bitch named
00:20:05Tamar who seduced Judah.
00:20:07Then there was one whose name was Gomer in the book of Hosea.
00:20:11That's not very sexy.
00:20:12Gomer pile.
00:20:13Yeah.
00:20:13Gomer.
00:20:14Yeah.
00:20:14Rahab was a prostitute from Jericho during the Israelite conquest of Canaan and an ancestor
00:20:20of Jesus through her descendant, Boaz.
00:20:23How do we end up with like Tracy and...
00:20:25I don't know.
00:20:26And most famously, Mary Magdalene.
00:20:28And all these names that are synonymous with...
00:20:29Yeah.
00:20:30Yeah, I don't know.
00:20:31Aren't true, but you know.
00:20:32And Mary Magdalene, who Bible historians are now saying wasn't necessarily a hooker,
00:20:37but just a sinner.
00:20:38It seems like it's common knowledge that Mary Magdalene was not the prostitute that she
00:20:44was made out to be when I was growing up.
00:20:45So when I was growing up in an Irish Catholic family and I grew up going to church every
00:20:50week and all that kind of stuff, I went to a Catholic university, all that shit.
00:20:53So I've been Catholic school my whole life.
00:20:55And we were always told that Mary Magdalene was a woman of sin.
00:21:00And whenever you talked about it, people just described her as a whore.
00:21:03And now that's not necessarily the definition for her.
00:21:06So good for Mary Magdalene, I guess.
00:21:07Nobody gives a shit.
00:21:08Staying with religion, there were actually two patron saints of whores.
00:21:12The first one was a surprise because it's St. Nicholas, the same guy where we get Santa
00:21:17Claus from.
00:21:18So before he got fat and trained reindeer to fly, he once secretly provided a dowry for
00:21:23three impoverished sisters to save them from a life of prostitution.
00:21:27Somebody else had to have made this correction.
00:21:29But if he saved three sisters from being whores, and another word for whores is ho, and there
00:21:40was three sisters, it was ho, ho, ho.
00:21:42That has nothing to do with why Santa says ho, ho, ho.
00:21:46I disagree.
00:21:47I think it has everything to do with it.
00:21:48If somebody doesn't put an E at the end of ho, ho, ho every time and think about this
00:21:53podcast, then I've failed you.
00:21:55Honestly.
00:21:56Christmas has changed forever.
00:21:57Yes, it does.
00:21:58You just ruined Christmas.
00:21:58Yeah.
00:21:59Or even if somebody says, Santa's coming, oh, I bet he is.
00:22:03Like that type of thing.
00:22:03Oh, yes, he is.
00:22:04All St. Nick.
00:22:05Yeah.
00:22:06So, yeah.
00:22:06St. Nick swinging that dick.
00:22:09And again, this isn't one of those things where St. Nicholas was said to have been with
00:22:14whores, but it's just one of those ones where he was basically saving them from a life of
00:22:18prostitution.
00:22:19That's why he's one of the patron saints.
00:22:21It's a similar story to the other one.
00:22:23There's another patron saint of prostitutes, and his name, he was a monk.
00:22:28His name was St. Vitalis of Gaza.
00:22:31Lived around 625 AD.
00:22:33Is Vitalis, it sounds like an erection medicine.
00:22:35Is that, am I making that up?
00:22:37Vitalis was actually a hair tie.
00:22:38No, you're thinking of Cialis, the one that's like the flare-ups.
00:22:42I don't know what the flare-ups are, right?
00:22:43A bottle of Cialis with the label.
00:22:45Is Cialis for Haralds?
00:22:46Yeah.
00:22:47Is that what it is?
00:22:47Oh, yeah.
00:22:48Yeah, brother.
00:22:49Vitalis used to be one of those things that, like the barbers used to sort of like rub in
00:22:55your head.
00:22:55Like a Bugs Bunny cartoon.
00:22:57Do you remember that?
00:22:57Oh, I used to love that.
00:22:58He would be on like, yeah.
00:22:59It looks so soothing.
00:23:01Gossamer, right?
00:23:02Gossamer.
00:23:03No, and he also does it with Elmer Fudd on his big bald head where he actually gets
00:23:07on him with his feet and stuff like that.
00:23:09It's very, very good.
00:23:10Yeah.
00:23:11The Gossamer one's good too.
00:23:12Yeah, monsters make the most interesting people.
00:23:15Lead the most interesting lives.
00:23:17So what St. Vitalis of Gaza did was he paid prostitutes.
00:23:23He was a day worker.
00:23:24So he would essentially hang out in the parking lot of Home Depot in 625 AD and then go and
00:23:32do some day laboring.
00:23:33He lived in like a very modest shack.
00:23:37So what he would do with his wages, he'd spend all his money on rescuing prostitutes for
00:23:43the night.
00:23:43He'd be like, all right, I'm going to rent her out for the night, take her back to his
00:23:47shack, and they would just pray all night.
00:23:49And that way she didn't have to go out and sully her body.
00:23:51The line between saint and simp is a fine, fine line.
00:23:55Right.
00:23:56But it was enough to get him to be the patron saint.
00:23:59Then when he died, many of the women that he took off the streets one night at a time
00:24:05were his pallbearers.
00:24:07So we have a saint dying and his casket or whatever it was, was carried by town horse.
00:24:13It's kind of cool.
00:24:14And we have another example of that a little bit later on.
00:24:18But yeah, just to have a bunch of prostitutes around carrying candles and lanterns and perhaps
00:24:22his body.
00:24:23I don't know what the funeral procession was back in 625.
00:24:25I actually just made up that Home Depot existed back then.
00:24:28But anyway, they were involved.
00:24:30So I will tell you one other thing.
00:24:33I put a little caveat at the beginning of this about how whore is not a really abrasive,
00:24:40you know, like the word cunt.
00:24:42Like it doesn't have that abrasion for me.
00:24:44But I will tell you, I'll try and we'll all try to be a little bit careful not using that
00:24:51word.
00:24:51We'll try to distinguish those who chose this lifestyle for a bunch of reasons.
00:24:56I'll give you some background on some more famous hookers.
00:24:59And you'll see they basically had no choice.
00:25:02Like you talk about what do every porn star have in common and it's daddy issues.
00:25:06Right.
00:25:06I've never met a girl who does porn that had like a dad that, you know, like Bridget was
00:25:11home sick today.
00:25:12And before we left, I sliced up a pear and I gave her a baguette with a little bit of
00:25:16brie, prosciutto and fig jam and a hot cup of tea and one of those like refrigerated head
00:25:21wraps for her before I left.
00:25:23The majority of women who you see taking loads on movies and whatnot did not have that benefit,
00:25:30unfortunately.
00:25:30And that's a fucking sin.
00:25:32And that's put on the dad.
00:25:33Like trying to keep her off the pole is a real fucking thing.
00:25:37But I will tell you, I will try to distinguish between those women who chose the lifestyle
00:25:41and those who are forced into it because that similar to the concubinage that we just spoke
00:25:47about is probably top 10 affronts to humanity and history.
00:25:55Be having somebody and I'm going to use two examples just and these examples I've used before,
00:26:00but I think they're worth mentioning again, right?
00:26:04Like I don't want to travel down a road where I'm insinuating victims of human trafficking
00:26:07or non-consensual sex or sluts or whores.
00:26:11These girls are instead victims.
00:26:13And I'll talk about two of those groups right now.
00:26:14The first is comfort women from World War II.
00:26:18Girls forced into sexual slavery by the Imperial Japanese Armed Forces in occupied countries
00:26:24and territories before and during World War II.
00:26:26This was bad.
00:26:27Japanese troops forced hundreds of thousands, hundreds of thousands of women.
00:26:32This is where the Japanese were worse than the Germans.
00:26:36And I'm going to go to the Germans right after this.
00:26:38But they did this on a much larger scale.
00:26:40They forced hundreds of thousands of women from Australia, Burma, China, the Netherlands,
00:26:45the Philippines, Japan, Korea, Indonesia, East Timor, New Guinea, and other countries
00:26:49into sexual enslavement for Japanese soldiers.
00:26:52However, the majority of those women, just so you know, were from Korea and China.
00:26:57That's where a lot of these comfort women came from.
00:26:59In many cases, women were lured by false job openings for nurses and factory workers.
00:27:05And a significant percentage of comfort women were minors below the age of 14.
00:27:10Women and girls were stripped of their agency and dehumanized as female ammunition.
00:27:16I put that in quotes.
00:27:17They were also called public toilets.
00:27:19I put that in quotes.
00:27:20They're also listed on some things as military supplies.
00:27:24You fucking people.
00:27:26And that's where I'm talking.
00:27:27These girls don't deserve the moniker of whores.
00:27:29Because imagine somebody saying in official paper that you're female ammunition, military
00:27:34supplies, or God forbid somebody calls you a public toilet.
00:27:37I can't think of a worse name to call a woman.
00:27:41Right.
00:27:42Call me a slut all you want.
00:27:43Don't call me a public toilet.
00:27:44Have you ever seen a girl walk by and maybe you wanted to comment inappropriately on her
00:27:51promiscuity?
00:27:52So you do call some of those names that we've used so far.
00:27:55I've never seen somebody walk by and someone go, yeah, girl, she's a human toilet.
00:28:00Oh, a public toilet.
00:28:01That's a tough one.
00:28:02So that's why I put that out there.
00:28:04In order to help injured Japanese soldiers receive treatment, some of them were forced
00:28:08to donate blood.
00:28:09She was using them for parts.
00:28:11Blood bags.
00:28:12Yeah, blood bags.
00:28:13Mad Max.
00:28:14Yeah.
00:28:15Yeah.
00:28:15They all experienced severe and brutal physical, sexual, and psychological abuse.
00:28:22They were repeatedly beaten and forced to perform sexual services with 10 men on normal days
00:28:28and up to 40 men on days after combat.
00:28:31So when these guys would come back from the war, it's a tough fucking night for these ladies.
00:28:35Estimates from Japanese historians say that there were anywhere from 20,000 to 200,000 comfort
00:28:44women.
00:28:45Japanese historians had said 20,000 on the low end to 200,000 on the high end.
00:28:51But if there's one thing I know from doing this podcast is that Japanese historians cannot
00:28:56be trusted.
00:28:58It's just-
00:28:58Yeah, they're going to lowball that.
00:29:00Oh, of course.
00:29:00Less biased sources put that number at over 400,000.
00:29:04And I say unbiased because after the war, the Japanese government denied the existence of
00:29:08comfort women, refusing to provide an apology or any kind of restitution.
00:29:13After numerous demands for an apology and the revelation of official records showing the Japanese
00:29:18government's culpability, the government began to offer an official apology and compensation
00:29:23in the 1990s.
00:29:26Wow.
00:29:26Right?
00:29:27World War II did not happen, even if you don't have a grasp on history, know that World War II
00:29:32happened way before 1990.
00:29:35So most of the surviving victims who were being essentially raped 40 times a night on a bad
00:29:42night, they weren't alive to see any of this.
00:29:45And that's a fucking shame.
00:29:47And that's why you'll see, even spread out amongst the United States in primarily Asian
00:29:53communities, you'll see memorials and statues to comfort women.
00:29:59There are two within driving distance from where Annie and I live in Ridgewood, New Jersey,
00:30:04including one in Palisades Park.
00:30:07Palisades Park is very close to like Fort Lee and stuff like that.
00:30:10So it has a huge Asian, you know, thing.
00:30:12Don't say it.
00:30:13Fort Lee, last stop on the bus route.
00:30:14Yes, that's right.
00:30:16Yeah.
00:30:16I know the New Jersey transit bus route.
00:30:18Yeah.
00:30:19You can't call them whores.
00:30:21I would never.
00:30:22No, I know.
00:30:23Yeah, yeah.
00:30:23Not you.
00:30:24You, I'm saying in the grand scheme of things, they are definitely not whores.
00:30:28But I'm sure they went back into society and were called whores and looked at negatively
00:30:32even though they had no choice.
00:30:34When the war ended, they were considered fucking the lowest of the low.
00:30:38Which is awful.
00:30:38And they were Shanghai.
00:30:40I mean, that's the definition of Shanghai-ing somebody.
00:30:42Yeah.
00:30:42You get them on the fucking boat and then you go out to sea and what am I doing?
00:30:47Man, where's the fucking hot tub?
00:30:49Hot tub?
00:30:49Here's a fucking mop.
00:30:51Go swab the poop deck if that exists anymore.
00:30:53What were you about to say, Johnny?
00:30:55Okay.
00:30:56And even though I mentioned I would concentrate primarily on females in this pod, I have to
00:31:00mention Walter Dempster Jr.
00:31:02He was better known as Walterina Markova, a Filipino gay man who was forced as a comfort
00:31:10gay for the Imperial Japanese Army during the Japanese occupation of the Philippines in
00:31:17World War II.
00:31:19Walter, or Walterina, whichever one you prefer, was part of a traveling group of six cross-dressing
00:31:25performers that was arrested by Japanese soldiers and taken to a camp where for several years
00:31:31he and his companions and other comfort gays were put to forced labor and abused sexually
00:31:37by Japanese soldiers.
00:31:39That is so wrong.
00:31:40That's one of the differences though between, and we'll get to it with Nazi Germany, between
00:31:45the Japanese and the Germans, the Japanese gave their potentially gay soldiers a port in
00:31:55the storm too.
00:31:56Like they provided for them.
00:31:58Right.
00:31:58Even though it's still fucking wrong.
00:31:59I mean, this guy, if you see pictures of Walter Dempster Jr., the guy was awesome.
00:32:04And he was just, you know, too long foo, like type of, you know, traveling cross-dressing
00:32:09RuPaul type shit.
00:32:10And he was made like a fucking sex slave.
00:32:12Meanwhile, you got like Alan Turing or whatever, who's like a hero for the British, who's gay
00:32:16and they kind of castrate him.
00:32:18Yeah.
00:32:20By the way, so this guy, Walt, this, this, listen, having this guy get essentially kidnapped
00:32:26and forced to be a comfort gay for the Japanese Imperial Army during World War II is very frustrating
00:32:33to hear and makes me angry to know that it happened.
00:32:37But for some reason, this kills me even more.
00:32:39He survived the war, lived until 2005, and at the age of 81, he was hit by a cyclist
00:32:47and killed.
00:32:48I hate the fact, and I don't know all the details around his death, and I'm not going
00:32:53to look it up, but this guy went through the shit.
00:32:56He was a comfort gay in World War II.
00:32:58And somewhere along the line, after going through all that and maybe getting his head right and
00:33:02all that kind of stuff, some dude in tight bike shorts and a fucking weird helmet and
00:33:07stuff like that, probably wiped him out on the side of Route 17, and that fucking infuriates
00:33:11me too.
00:33:11Can I alleviate some of that infuriating anger?
00:33:16He got to see Shrek 1 and Shrek 2, so that's pretty awesome.
00:33:18He got to see both Shrek 2.
00:33:19That's pretty awesome.
00:33:19I was going to say, you look muck.
00:33:20You're always glass half full.
00:33:22He looks like the happiest guy in the world.
00:33:24Where is Shrek from?
00:33:26Are you from?
00:33:27Do you know that clip from Fresno?
00:33:28No.
00:33:29No, no.
00:33:30My swamp.
00:33:30No, he's from Fresno, California.
00:33:33Is he?
00:33:33Yeah.
00:33:34I didn't know that.
00:33:37John's so fucking obscure.
00:33:38I love him.
00:33:38I was going to say a left turn that makes me think of Chris Kyle.
00:33:42He survived four tours overseas as a sniper and then comes home and he's killed by a deranged-
00:33:49At a gun show, right?
00:33:50No, no.
00:33:51He was at a gun range with a-
00:33:52He took him.
00:33:53He brought him with him.
00:33:54Like a mentally ill former veteran that he-
00:33:56He was trying to help him.
00:33:57Yeah, he was trying to help him.
00:33:58It's crazy.
00:33:59But that is crazy to survive that and come home to the United States.
00:34:03It's like the kid, Steven, who was missing and abducted for years.
00:34:07And it wasn't until his abductor abducted another kid that he saw an opportunity to get out when
00:34:12he escaped with this kid because he didn't want it to happen to the other kid.
00:34:16He was killed by a hit-and-run driver.
00:34:18Yeah.
00:34:19It's crazy.
00:34:20I just have a soft spot, not a soft spot, a hard spot for cyclists.
00:34:26I don't want to share the road with him anymore.
00:34:28I'm right there with you.
00:34:29As a runner, I look again.
00:34:32I'm against cyclists.
00:34:33And listen, if you're a cyclist-
00:34:34He got kicked once and it's never left him.
00:34:36You think we'd get along, but we don't.
00:34:38No.
00:34:39And if you live outside of a city, you might be like, oh, don't be so mean to cyclists.
00:34:44Try walking around fucking New York City.
00:34:46City bikes and delivery guys in the city.
00:34:47They're crazier than ever because of e-bikes.
00:34:50They're quiet.
00:34:51Yes.
00:34:51And they sneak up on you.
00:34:53Yeah.
00:34:53They really do.
00:34:54I get it.
00:34:55But it has added a crazy element to every single city.
00:34:58And you look at a place like Germany now that just installed public bike washing stations.
00:35:03You put your bike in.
00:35:04You throw in a couple of fucking Deutschmarks or whatever the hell it is.
00:35:08Euros.
00:35:08And it sends it right through.
00:35:10Your bike comes out fucking washed and clean.
00:35:12Because it's a real-
00:35:13You know, Europe is a real biking type community.
00:35:16For sure.
00:35:17And it's good for the environment.
00:35:19I get all that shit.
00:35:19But they're just the fucking most annoying bitches.
00:35:21Did you know there's a Markova movie?
00:35:24I don't know it.
00:35:25I don't know.
00:35:26I just Googled it.
00:35:27Yeah.
00:35:27It says comfort.
00:35:28Comfort man.
00:35:28In the land of macho dancers, he's the most dangerous thing of all.
00:35:32Oh, wow.
00:35:33Himself.
00:35:34Yeah.
00:35:35But look at him.
00:35:35He's like the happiest guy ever.
00:35:37I know.
00:35:37And that's what I mean.
00:35:38I feel for Walterina.
00:35:40But look.
00:35:41See his movie.
00:35:41It says Markova.
00:35:43The comfort game.
00:35:43Yeah.
00:35:43It just seems like a nice day.
00:35:44I don't know why I've never thought of this.
00:35:45Have you ever thought about running for office?
00:35:46I feel like you could run on that.
00:35:47Be like, no more bikes.
00:35:49Yes.
00:35:49Yes.
00:35:50I am looking.
00:35:50I just have some-
00:35:51I have a lot of whores in my past.
00:35:53The second example of terrible practice of coercing wartime prostitutes would stay in World
00:35:58War II with Nazi Germany's Joy Division.
00:36:01And I know Joy Division is something I had mentioned before because I enjoy the music of Joy Division.
00:36:05And it was an old school band that eventually became New Order once the lead singer had
00:36:09killed himself.
00:36:10And so I've had Joy Division t-shirts growing up.
00:36:14I never knew.
00:36:14Is that where they got their name?
00:36:15That's where they got their fucking name from.
00:36:16It stinks.
00:36:17You know what I mean?
00:36:18Yeah.
00:36:18But I don't know if it made sense at the time.
00:36:21You know, it's like craft work and all that kind of shit.
00:36:22Or they thought they were being helpful.
00:36:25You know, bring this to life.
00:36:26Maybe bring it to life.
00:36:27But either way, during World War II, the Nazis had something called Lagerbordels or concentrate
00:36:33camp brothels that were filled with Jewish and non-Jewish female prisoners, primarily
00:36:38in their 20s, who were used as prostitutes for the German soldiers working in and around
00:36:41the camps, as well as some privileged prisoners.
00:36:44These non-Jewish women were in the camps after being imprisoned for antisocial behavior.
00:36:48So on top of them just taking good-looking Jews in their 20s and forcing them into prostitution,
00:36:53if you weren't a Jew, but you were put in a concentration camp for stuff like prostitution,
00:36:59any kind of lewd behavior, they would then use you as a prostitute once you got to camp.
00:37:03Again, a tremendous amount of hypocrisy there.
00:37:05You know what I mean?
00:37:06So that's women who had crimes defined under Hitler, included prostitutes, suspected political
00:37:12ties, or simply female Germans who had relationships with Jews.
00:37:16On average, they had sex with roughly six to eight men every night, and on Sunday afternoons.
00:37:22So Sundays, they would get all their work done in the afternoon.
00:37:24However, some women would receive up to 10 men in two hours.
00:37:28It's a lot.
00:37:29SS chief Heinrich Himmler, ever heard of him?
00:37:31He was the second most powerful man in the Third Reich.
00:37:33He established the Reich's first concentration camp at Dachau and ordered brothels to be set
00:37:37up in concentration camps across Nazi-occupied Europe to increase productivity and to prevent
00:37:43homosexuality from breaking out among their ranks as if it was like a case of the mumps.
00:37:50Listen, you're going to try and set up concentration camps.
00:37:54I can't imagine the logistics.
00:37:56Annie's doing stuff with a commercial real estate company, and she's going through it with
00:38:01like just trying to get people to pay for their fucking parking spots.
00:38:05Like there's all these little tiny things that go into opening up businesses.
00:38:08So imagine trying to open up a fucking concentration camp, much less 20 of them, and then also
00:38:14being like, oh, and we're going to have to have a brothel there too, and we're going to
00:38:18have to fill it with essential political prisoners and Jewish women.
00:38:23If the Germans were thought to be gay, sometimes they were forced to have sex with these female
00:38:28prostitutes and proved that they were healed.
00:38:31Prisoners who weren't Jewish but jailed as homosexuals were called pink triangle prisoners and would
00:38:37also be given the opportunity to sleep with a prostitute in order to get their freedom.
00:38:42So it was a way that you could, you know, bang the gay away.
00:38:45Is that where like the kind of gay iconic logo, pink triangle comes from?
00:38:49Yeah, I believe that that's a harkens back to this.
00:38:52Did it, was it before the Holocaust?
00:38:54Or they just had to say, we're going to adopt this and bring it into work?
00:38:57Yeah, I think that was the scarlet letter for gay prisoners and gay prison, gay concentration
00:39:01camp guys were treated the worst from what I understood.
00:39:04So I think it was like a call back to that time for that symbol.
00:39:10So these lager portals were affectionately also known as dollhouses, and the women within
00:39:15were called the Joy Division.
00:39:17It's estimated, and again, remember what we were talking about with Japan, that the number
00:39:22looks like it was closer to 400,000?
00:39:24Mm-hmm.
00:39:24This was 34,000 female inmates were forced into sexual slavery during the Third Reich.
00:39:3134, 3, 4, it's all bad.
00:39:35But I'm just trying to use that scope of why I said earlier, I felt like the Japanese really
00:39:40out-scumbagged the Nazis in this respect.
00:39:43So 400,000 versus 34.
00:39:46Oh yeah, so Annie just looked it up.
00:39:48The pink triangle originated as the Nazi thing that we were just talking about.
00:39:51Yeah, yeah.
00:39:51So it was kind of like, they eight-miled them.
00:39:53Like, if you're going to use that against us, we're going to take it as our own, so you
00:39:56can't use it against us.
00:39:57So they have about 34,000 female inmates forced into sexual slavery, Jewish and otherwise.
00:40:02I bet not a lot of people know that.
00:40:05Yeah, I didn't know where it came from.
00:40:07Honestly, I bet they really just don't know that.
00:40:09Because if it was a pink swastika, people would know, right?
00:40:13And it could have just as easily have been, you know, there's all this hullabaloo around
00:40:16the SS's because Secret Service or something also has a similar lightning strike to the
00:40:21SS type race.
00:40:22I've heard people ask it about Chevelle's.
00:40:25Oh, okay, Chevelle's.
00:40:26Like a super sport?
00:40:27Yeah, Chevy super sports.
00:40:28Yeah.
00:40:29Every good Nazi story as a crooked doctor and the story of Nazi dollhouses is no difference.
00:40:34So I'll tell you about Siegfried Schweller.
00:40:36He was put in charge by Himmler to run the brothels.
00:40:40Here was his blueprint.
00:40:41Staff had to ensure female prisoners were clean so the women were to be sterilized.
00:40:47Prostitutes were regularly tested for sexually transmitted diseases to prevent outbreaks at
00:40:51the camps.
00:40:53Only the missionary position could be used.
00:40:56I'm out.
00:40:57SS officers much watch.
00:40:59So even when you were going to go use one of these women, SS officers would watch through
00:41:04spy holes to make sure the women don't spend more than 15 minutes with each prisoner.
00:41:10It's a lot.
00:41:11When possible, they tried to impose strict race laws, insisting that only German men could
00:41:16visit German women and that Slavic men could only meet with Slavic women.
00:41:21And as I mentioned before, some prisoners accused of homosexuality could bang their way out of the
00:41:27camps, but Jews and Russian prisoners were forbidden to do that.
00:41:31Since pregnancy was an unintended consequence of prostitution and they didn't want to breed
00:41:37more Jews, inadvertently forced abortions were mandatory.
00:41:41So those were some of the ground rules for being a joy division in Nazi Germany.
00:41:49The last Nazi concentration camp brothel was closed in 1945 and as a happy ending, which
00:41:56isn't a pun, nearly all the sex workers survived until the camps were liberated, but none received
00:42:02recognition from the German state as victims of sex slavery or compensation for their ordeal.
00:42:08Sex slavery has only been recognized as a war crime under international law since 2002.
00:42:13And though many survived the war, as I said, few, if any, were alive by the time it was
00:42:20recognized.
00:42:20I think we spoke about this once before.
00:42:22One hundred percent.
00:42:23We really felt that that was when the Internet kicked in.
00:42:26Maybe.
00:42:26And that's when it became worldwide.
00:42:29It was easy to pass through this stuff.
00:42:31Right.
00:42:31And then one of the cool stories was, do you remember the story of one of the sex workers
00:42:36who kept her shoes on?
00:42:40Yeah.
00:42:40Her heel?
00:42:40Yeah.
00:42:41Do you remember that story?
00:42:42Yeah.
00:42:42So that was the story.
00:42:43She was a dancer.
00:42:44She was a ballerina and her troop was captured by the Nazis and they were being put into the
00:42:50concentration camps and she decided to flirt with a couple of the guards so she was able
00:42:56to keep her high heels on when they went on to do the inspection of her body and then she
00:43:01took off her high heels and then like, again, like a Schwarzenegger's, you know, movie type
00:43:06thing.
00:43:06I think she stabbed the guy in the eye with her high heels and then a bunch of the girls
00:43:10they were all killed, but at least she was known as somebody who was a little bit more
00:43:14of a revolutionary.
00:43:15I wish I could remember her name.
00:43:16I don't know what you have to do for us to fucking remember your name.
00:43:19Like, I can't believe I can name all the Kardashian sisters, but I can't name this fucking hero.
00:43:24I'm proud to say I cannot.
00:43:25Okay.
00:43:25Um, so, so getting back to my original term, comfort houses and joy divisions are two perfect
00:43:31examples of what I would avoid using the term whore around because the term implies that
00:43:36there was some consent by the person doing the whoring and those two examples that wasn't
00:43:40the case.
00:43:40Let's find some examples from history of some good old fashioned whores.
00:43:44Francesca man.
00:43:45Francesca man.
00:43:46There you go.
00:43:47Bingo.
00:43:47Yes.
00:43:47Write that down.
00:43:48It's Shitomo Yamaguchi, all these people that we should remember.
00:43:51Yeah.
00:43:51Um, let's start small.
00:43:54What's stud too?
00:43:55Yeah.
00:43:55Good for her.
00:43:5526 years old.
00:43:57No.
00:43:57So let's start small.
00:43:59In the early 1800s, there was a woman named Teresa Berkeley.
00:44:04She died in 1836.
00:44:05So she was a 19th century English dominatrix who ran a brothel in London's West End.
00:44:12What made her brothel special was that it specialized in flagellation, the whipping and humiliation
00:44:19of their johns.
00:44:20She was a master of the art of inflicting pain.
00:44:24Again, like she died in 1836.
00:44:26So this is early 1800s.
00:44:27She's a trailblazer.
00:44:28Yeah, she is.
00:44:30She was a master at the art of inflicting pain for pleasure and was successful because
00:44:35she practiced absolute privacy to protect her clientele.
00:44:39So tight lips when you crack whips is what I wrote there.
00:44:42I think that's kind of nice.
00:44:43That's great.
00:44:44Thanks.
00:44:44She has a wide variety of torture instruments, including a cat-o'-nine tails.
00:44:49People who don't know what that is.
00:44:50It's a whip that has nine different things at the end of it.
00:44:53Sometimes there'd be a ball bearing tied to the end of each whip head.
00:44:56So it was a cat-o'-nine tails and it just ripped the skin off.
00:44:59Leather straps.
00:45:00Holly brushes, which are what it sounds like.
00:45:03The holly tree has like stick thorns.
00:45:06So they would beat you with holly brushes.
00:45:08Green nettles.
00:45:10Nettles is like stinging nettles.
00:45:11Nettles also have these fine little thorns in them.
00:45:13And like a hook and pulley system.
00:45:16And just like I had said that if you're a Winchester goose, it's kind of cool to have something named after you.
00:45:21She had a BDSM apparatus named after her called the Berkeley horse.
00:45:28And I put a picture of it in there.
00:45:30It's like an A-frame where a guy, you know those massage tables where you put your face in the hole?
00:45:35Yes, that's a perfect example.
00:45:36So you put your face in that hole.
00:45:38And then in the inside of the A-frame, a prostitute would sit naked, play with herself.
00:45:46And then there's that milking hole, like a milking station where you kind of put your cock through.
00:45:51She would kind of play with your cock while the dominatrix was behind him whipping the shit out of him.
00:45:57So you're getting turned on by, look, this is what it said.
00:46:01A man upon it, quite naked.
00:46:03A woman is sitting.
00:46:04This is the historical description.
00:46:06A woman is sitting in a chair exactly under it with her bosom, belly, and pubic hair exposed while she is manualizing his embolon, you know, his dick, whilst Mrs. Berkeley is birching his posterior, meaning she's whipping his ass with a bunch of stuff.
00:46:24We've never called it that.
00:46:25No, we should.
00:46:26In one surviving letter, a customer hearing about the Berkeley horse proffered Teresa Berkeley this pricing for her services.
00:46:33Again, this is a quote, so I'll do it in an English accent.
00:46:37Oh, no.
00:46:38A pound sterling for the first blood drawn.
00:46:41Two pounds sterling if the blood runs down to my heels.
00:46:44Three pounds if my heels are bathed in blood.
00:46:48And four pounds sterling if the blood reaches the floor.
00:46:53And five pounds sterling if you succeed in making me lose consciousness.
00:46:57Why don't you just choke him out and then just cut him somewhere and just take the cash?
00:47:00I guess.
00:47:01But no, I think he wants it from that constant pounding.
00:47:04I mention this to make sure that we're all well aware how people have been freaky for fucking centuries.
00:47:10Paying to be freaked on.
00:47:12And as soon as I say freaky for centuries, I think right away to that fucking Roman emperor, I think it was Tiberius, who used to have the little fishes, the kids.
00:47:21Swimming around.
00:47:22Yeah, nipping at his balls and stuff.
00:47:24Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:47:24It's fucking crazy.
00:47:26And here's a tale.
00:47:27I'm going to move on.
00:47:28Here's a tale how one girl wasn't forced into prostitution, but life threw her so many lemons that the only way to make lemonade, I think, was to sell her ass.
00:47:35And her name was Libby Thompson.
00:47:36She was born in Texas in 1855.
00:47:40So again, we're talking, you know, nearly 200 years ago.
00:47:43Her family lost its fortune during the Civil War.
00:47:46And in 1864, Comanche raided what was left of her family's farm and took her captive.
00:47:53She remained a Comanche captive until 1867 when her parents found enough money to pay for her ransom, for her release.
00:48:01But from that point forward, she was considered a marked woman.
00:48:05Even though she was only 13, many people assumed that she had sexually submitted to the Indians during her captivity.
00:48:12So Libby found herself shunned and ostracized from society.
00:48:16She soon took up with an older man who did not care about her past.
00:48:21But her dad found the idea of an older man taking advantage of his daughter was so objectionable that he shot and killed the guy.
00:48:32And then Haley's reputation was soiled even further.
00:48:35So you're talking about what could drive you, Annie, to being a prostitute.
00:48:40Your family loses its farm.
00:48:42Maybe.
00:48:43Maybe that's what drives you to become a whore.
00:48:45You're kidnapped by Indians for nearly three years?
00:48:48Again, that's a traumatic thing.
00:48:50You get back.
00:48:52You find a guy.
00:48:54You marry him.
00:48:54But then your dad comes and shoots him?
00:48:57But all three of those put together, she was destined to do stuff like this.
00:49:01So at the age of 14, she ran away, wound up in Abilene, Kansas, where she became a dance hall girl and a prostitute.
00:49:08She eventually got married, and she and her husband opened a brothel in Sweetwater, Texas,
00:49:12which Libby ran even after her husband's death.
00:49:15The couple had two sons, both of whom became career criminals, and two daughters, who followed in mom's footsteps and became whores themselves.
00:49:24Libby was not embarrassed by her profession, and it was as a madam in Sweetwater that she became known for keeping her pet prairie dogs.
00:49:32These, along with the gap in her teeth, gave her the nickname Squirrel Tooth Alice.
00:49:39Her name was Libby.
00:49:39Not the sexiest nickname, I'm going to be honest.
00:49:41Not a good one.
00:49:42No.
00:49:43You talk about this being 1855, and it's almost 200 years ago, right?
00:49:48Yeah.
00:49:49It's not like they had TV.
00:49:52So why didn't you just move?
00:49:54Go to the town next to you, and you're like, yeah, I'm good.
00:49:57We're five towns over.
00:49:58Yeah, you're good.
00:49:58What's a little warmer?
00:49:59Nobody knows you?
00:49:59And just give yourself a really good backstory.
00:50:01Oh, but they'd recognize those prairie dogs and that gap tooth.
00:50:03They'd know old Squirrel Tooth Alice.
00:50:06By the way, it's said that she banged Wyatt Earp.
00:50:09Awesome.
00:50:10And she lived to be 97.
00:50:12Wow.
00:50:13Yeah.
00:50:13So longevity comes from a healthy lifestyle.
00:50:16Yeah.
00:50:16I will tell you, just as a palate cleanser for a terrible nickname like Squirrel Tooth Alice,
00:50:21I was reading about this one woman.
00:50:23She's more modern day.
00:50:24Her name was Carol Leigh, L-E-E-I-G-H, and she was a redhead who actually was the one
00:50:30who coined the term sex worker.
00:50:32Wouldn't it be Leigh?
00:50:33Oh, Carol Leigh.
00:50:34I'm sorry.
00:50:34Or are you saying Leigh?
00:50:35I thought you were saying Leigh is a joke.
00:50:36Why call him Tom Leigh?
00:50:37He's the guy who works for us, isn't he?
00:50:39Right, yeah.
00:50:39I think that's how you spell his name.
00:50:40Yeah.
00:50:41Yeah, Leigh Leigh, however you want to say it.
00:50:43Well, for this, it makes sense to be Leigh.
00:50:44Yeah.
00:50:45She was a redhead who coined the term sex worker.
00:50:47She was big on creating sort of rights for women who were in that trade.
00:50:51And since she was redhead, her nickname was the Scarlet Harlot.
00:50:55I like that.
00:50:55I like that.
00:50:56That's a good one.
00:50:57Squirrel Tooth Alice is fucking terrible.
00:50:58Give me the Scarlet Harlot.
00:51:01I don't know why I put this in there, but a little left turn.
00:51:03Punta Nesca sauce, next time you're in an Italian restaurant, translates.
00:51:07So the Italian word for whore is puttana.
00:51:10So Punta Nesca sauce is called the sauce of the whores.
00:51:13They say the PG version is that it's a quick sauce to make, so whores were able to make
00:51:18it for their johns or for themselves in between gigs.
00:51:22And since it was so quick and easy, they named it after it.
00:51:24But I think the real reason that it's called Punta Nesca is because it's made with stuff
00:51:27like olives, capers, and particularly anchovies, which kind of have that smell of a dirty woman.
00:51:32Dirty girl smell.
00:51:33Yeah, yeah.
00:51:34Let's go to a couple of famous whores.
00:51:36John's visibly disgusted over there.
00:51:38Famous whores or whore adjacent people from history.
00:51:42Anyone know anything about the Mata Hari?
00:51:44Like the Mata Hari has been around for a while.
00:51:46She was a double agent during World War I.
00:51:49I had just seen that movie, The King's Man.
00:51:52Do you remember that?
00:51:52It's like the prequel to it all.
00:51:55It was with the guy who was in Red Dragon.
00:51:58Who's the fucking guy?
00:51:58Oh, Ray Fiennes.
00:51:59Ray Fiennes.
00:51:59So you know like the Kingsman with Eggsy and all that shit and all that?
00:52:04So they had a prequel one called The King's Man, which I enjoyed tremendously.
00:52:08I don't think it got very good reviews.
00:52:10The third one, right?
00:52:10Yeah.
00:52:11Yeah.
00:52:11Oh, some cool scenes in that one.
00:52:13And if you're a history fan, it's great.
00:52:14I think it's cool because they see like the Archduke, you know.
00:52:17Is that the Rasputin one?
00:52:19Yeah, Rasputin.
00:52:20No?
00:52:21Yeah, yeah.
00:52:21It was the Rasputin one, 100%.
00:52:23But do you remember when they're sitting around the table and there's all these people around
00:52:26the table?
00:52:27They were given like cyanide rings and Rasputin's was like the bear and some guy was complaining
00:52:32because his was like the beaver.
00:52:33There was a woman at the table and it was the Mata Hari.
00:52:36So they kind of, she does pop up every now and again.
00:52:39And I've known about her forever.
00:52:41But the thing is, her name was Margaret Gertrude McLeod, better known as her stage name Mata Hari.
00:52:47She was a Dutch exotic dancer and courtesan who was convicted of being a spy for Germany
00:52:52during World War I.
00:52:53She was actually a double agent.
00:52:54She was a spy for both Germany and France.
00:52:57It's unconfirmed, by the way.
00:52:59People don't know if she was railroaded, scapegoated or whatever.
00:53:02But I'm just saying what the headline on her always is.
00:53:05She was executed by firing squad in France in 1917 at the age of 41.
00:53:13I put a picture of her in there.
00:53:15She wasn't like an overly handsome woman.
00:53:18I mean, she's not an ugly woman by any stretch of the imagination.
00:53:21But people describe her as being like hypnotic.
00:53:24Like she's just a hypnotic inlay.
00:53:25And she wore these like bejeweled bras and whatnot.
00:53:29And so she was extremely, extremely popular.
00:53:33She had aura, as the kids would say.
00:53:34Yeah, she was aura farming a lot back in that day.
00:53:37Her torso was little, but her arms are strong.
00:53:39Yeah, yeah.
00:53:40She must have pulled herself up a lot.
00:53:42Yeah, yeah, I guess so.
00:53:43Right?
00:53:43I mentioned above she died in front of a French firing squad.
00:53:47Her last words were, I am ready.
00:53:50She refused a blindfold.
00:53:51And she blew a kiss to the soldiers right before they opened fire.
00:53:55Again, these are all those things that I casually kind of known, knew.
00:54:01But this is the part that I didn't know.
00:54:03Her body was never claimed by any relatives.
00:54:05And she was subsequently donated for medical study.
00:54:08And her head was removed.
00:54:09The Museum of Anatomy embalmed her head.
00:54:13And it was kept there until archivists realized over 80 years later in 2000 that it had disappeared.
00:54:20Nobody knows where the Mata Hari's head is.
00:54:25So our history of knowing that, what did somebody do?
00:54:29Didn't somebody eat like fucking Napoleon's dick?
00:54:32Yeah, the guy in New Jersey.
00:54:33The guy in New Jersey.
00:54:34Yeah.
00:54:34You know, we talk about guys.
00:54:35I don't know if he ate it, but I think he has it sitting like on his bookshelf somewhere.
00:54:39Somebody ate somebody's fucking heart.
00:54:41Yeah, yeah, we'll go with that.
00:54:44Let's go with the 80s.
00:54:45We know about these underground collectors from all over the place.
00:54:48So I think that somewhere there's some fucking freak that might still be getting head.
00:54:52Yes.
00:54:53From a double agent, spy, burlesque dancer, courtesan who was executed over 100 years ago.
00:54:57Evan Latimer, the daughter of urologists who acquired it.
00:55:00Yeah, urologists in like fucking Fort Lee, right?
00:55:03Yeah, but that's him.
00:55:04He ate it?
00:55:05Somebody ate it.
00:55:06Someone ate it?
00:55:07I think so.
00:55:08I'm moving on though.
00:55:10So Mata Hari is one of them.
00:55:11The second one is Ching Shi, a.k.a.
00:55:14Zheng Yi Cao.
00:55:16And this is from the early 1800s.
00:55:17Originally a prostitute who worked on a floating brothel.
00:55:20She married a pirate who fell overboard during a storm and died about six or seven years after
00:55:26they wed.
00:55:26So she ended up commanding his fleet of nearly 2,000 ships.
00:55:312,000 ships in the early 1800s meant that she, this former whore, was in charge of about 80,000
00:55:40men battling the Portuguese empire, the British empire, and the king dynasty at various stages.
00:55:46She was a stud.
00:55:48Her favorite method of dealing with rival crews and enemies was to nail their feet to the decks
00:55:54of their own ships and then beat them to death unless they agreed to join her ranks and become
00:56:00part of the red flag fleet.
00:56:02Did we do badass bitches of her?
00:56:03She was on it.
00:56:04She was on it.
00:56:05Yeah.
00:56:05She was on it.
00:56:06That was a good episode.
00:56:06She was on it along with fling thrown through, the one who had the gigantic tits that she could
00:56:10throw over time.
00:56:10Seven of them.
00:56:11Around her fucking neck.
00:56:12Yeah, yeah.
00:56:13That was a good episode.
00:56:13Yeah, a year after her husband's death, she married her adopted son.
00:56:18Oh, like Woody Allen.
00:56:18Kind of Woody Allen.
00:56:19As you do.
00:56:20She had two children with him and then died a free woman at the age of 69.
00:56:25If he was a teaspoon of cum, what is she?
00:56:27I don't know.
00:56:28Well, we've got to go with that one.
00:56:28You know what?
00:56:29I wouldn't call her anything because she had a pretty tough life, right?
00:56:33I mean, she was basically on a floating brothel since she was 12.
00:56:38I just mean what's the equivalent for Woody Allen's term.
00:56:40Yeah.
00:56:41Well, I can tell you what.
00:56:42I give her a break because this happened in the 1800s.
00:56:46Woody Allen's married to his son.
00:56:48Different times.
00:56:48Yeah, yeah.
00:56:48There's another famous whore.
00:56:50Her name was Phryne.
00:56:52Phryne.
00:56:53P-H-R-Y-N-E.
00:56:55I asked how to pronounce it and that's what it came up with.
00:56:59She was a fourth century Greek courtesan known for her beauty.
00:57:03She grew up poor but became one of the richest women in Greece.
00:57:07As a matter of fact, I think Greece was attacked by like an army.
00:57:10I read this little anecdote where they destroyed the walls around the city and she was like, I'll pay for him.
00:57:16I'll pay to put him back up.
00:57:17She was like, the only thing is you have to put on the wall.
00:57:21This wall was restored by a court as a name Phryne or whatever the hell it is.
00:57:25I put a picture of her, not a picture but a painting of the scene that I'm about to describe now because it's the only reason I'm mentioning her.
00:57:33According to an account, she was on trial for impiety.
00:57:36Impiety means something that you're doing against God.
00:57:38So I'm going to put it in the realm of like almost like blasphemy.
00:57:42So she's on trial for it and her defense attorney had her disrobe in court.
00:57:48She was then acquitted on the argument that a body so perfect could not conceal an ugly soul and she got off scot-free.
00:57:55And this painting, that's a fucking painting.
00:57:57What a lawyer.
00:57:58Yeah, what a great lawyer.
00:57:59But that's a painting.
00:58:01Yeah.
00:58:01Like you talk to me about modern art and all this stuff.
00:58:04I tell you the story about this and if you look up the painting of P-H-R-Y-N-E and there is a stunning red robes in the background with a lawyer like ripping the vestments off this very alabaster-skinned woman.
00:58:23And these guys and just the faces in the background, I don't know, it just seems like one of those parts of history I think everyone should know about.
00:58:29She got off because she was hot as balls.
00:58:30The guys in the background are so horned up.
00:58:32Oh, forget about it.
00:58:33They can't believe how horned up they get.
00:58:34Yeah, all those robes got real tight.
00:58:36Yeah.
00:58:37I said I was going to mention Victor Hugo earlier in the show.
00:58:41I'm mentioning him now.
00:58:42If you don't know who Victor Hugo is, you should slap your teacher.
00:58:47So he was a French romantic author and he eventually became a politician.
00:58:51Very, very interesting life.
00:58:52Was in exile for a while.
00:58:54Could probably do a whole episode on Victor Hugo.
00:58:56But just know that his most famous works are the novel The Hunchback of Notre Dame or Notre Dame and Les Mis.
00:59:03He wrote Les Miserables.
00:59:04He has a great quote.
00:59:06To love another person is to see the face of God.
00:59:09What's up, sweetheart?
00:59:10How are you?
00:59:10And he was a cocksman.
00:59:12He had multiple mistresses and he went with multiple courtesans.
00:59:15When he died in 1885 at the age of 83, he wanted a beggar's funeral.
00:59:22He put in that he wanted a beggar's funeral.
00:59:24But the president of France said, nope, we're giving this guy a state funeral.
00:59:28He deserves it.
00:59:29So more than 2 million people.
00:59:31This is 1885.
00:59:33More than 2 million people joined Hugo's funeral procession in Paris from the Arc de Triomphe to the Pantheon where he was buried.
00:59:40And we know the Pantheon is that place where a lot of French heroes are buried.
00:59:44Because we'd mentioned in the Marie Curie thing, they took up her body.
00:59:48They had to make a lead-lined coffin because 65 years later, she was still fucking glowing.
00:59:54So a bunch of French heroes are buried there, including Victor Hugo.
00:59:57So 2 million people joined in his funeral procession.
01:00:01And most importantly, according to writers, they were brothers, Edmund and Jules Goncourt.
01:00:08The night before his funeral, there was a public orgy consisting of all the brothel women on holiday who fucked anyone on the lawns of the Champs-Elysees.
01:00:16And then the following day, when it was his funeral, Parisian brothels were closed for a day to mourn his passing.
01:00:25Oh, that's where we got engaged.
01:00:26Yeah, exactly.
01:00:27We got engaged where they had a big sex orgy.
01:00:29I wish we would have known.
01:00:30That's so upper alley.
01:00:32And again, I'm sort of mentioning the Berkeley table.
01:00:36Like all these little awards or recognitions that are given out to guys and gals who love to get a little bit freaky.
01:00:45There's a stat that 20% of all women in the 1700s in London were prostitutes.
01:00:52So one in five were hookers.
01:00:54That stat is not factual.
01:00:56But it goes around everywhere.
01:00:57But whoring was a viable option for many women at the time, considering that other than like sewing or cleaning or becoming a trad wife, women weren't really allowed to work.
01:01:08Not to mention, you had an excellent madam back at that time.
01:01:13You could have a pretty good working conditions and pay.
01:01:15I say an excellent madam because back in the 1700s, people who owned brothels were smart enough to put women in charge.
01:01:25It wasn't until much later on did we get that pimp culture where it was like, get out there and sell your ass or I'm going to break your neck.
01:01:32Like back then, madams who also sometimes were nasty ass bitches themselves.
01:01:36But it was a better business thing to have a woman in charge of brothels.
01:01:40It was a little ahead of their time.
01:01:41Makes sense.
01:01:42Yeah, yeah.
01:01:43Prostitution was so rampant in London back then.
01:01:46But I'm going to stop you there because I think a big part of it is that they can't seduce the woman.
01:01:52Does that?
01:01:53Oh, that they can't get high on their own supply.
01:01:55Correct.
01:01:55Okay.
01:01:56Yeah, I could definitely see that too.
01:01:58Prostitution was so rampant in London in the same way that like every town in the United States probably has like a Maple Avenue or Maple Street if it's like lined with maple trees.
01:02:08There were so many towns in London that had streets that were on the same blocks as brothels.
01:02:16So there are a bunch of grope cunt lanes and fucking groves and whore streets.
01:02:22And so if you're in London and you see anything that has grape in the name, like they changed it to like grape count lane.
01:02:28That was originally grope cunt.
01:02:30And that's there's no fucking gray area there.
01:02:33Right.
01:02:33You name something grope cunt.
01:02:35Unless she's over 60.
01:02:36Yeah, it's just and they even had like a Zagat's.
01:02:40They had like a Michelin or a Zagat's guide to whores in England called the Harris List.
01:02:45It was a catalog from the 1700s of all prostitutes in London during that period where you could find any sex workers address, price, age, and skills.
01:02:56And it would rate their performances and describe their appearance.
01:02:59It was published annually for decades.
01:03:01I want the one with the gap tooth.
01:03:03I will tell you, if you go to the Harris List and you can't do it now, but if you start to read some of the reviews, it was written in that old English to where it was very, very poetic.
01:03:14It was kind of cool to read.
01:03:15Staying in the UK, the oldest known whore was Sheila Vogel Koop from Great Britain.
01:03:22She started her career recently.
01:03:23She started her career in 2010.
01:03:26So she started at the age of 81.
01:03:30So she didn't take her first dick for money until she was 81 years old.
01:03:35That we know of.
01:03:37That's been documented.
01:03:38Can I look at it?
01:03:39Is this a picture of her?
01:03:40That's a picture of her.
01:03:41Now, I want you to take a closer look at the picture.
01:03:43You see the pantyhose?
01:03:44Oh, I see it.
01:03:45That's where it's horny.
01:03:46Yeah.
01:03:47Otherwise, you wouldn't know.
01:03:49So this woman, Sheila Vogel Koop, when she was 81, she was somehow convinced, obviously through money, to be in a porn called Freddy's Great British Granny Bang.
01:04:04By 2014, she was entertaining up to 10 clients per week at 250 pounds per hour.
01:04:12Yeah.
01:04:13Right?
01:04:14So her granddaughter, Katie Waisel, was a singer-songwriter.
01:04:21She appeared as a contestant on Celebrity Big Brother.
01:04:24And in an argument with a fellow housemate, Katie said on live TV, I know I'm better than you.
01:04:29You're an embarrassment.
01:04:30My grandma is more famous than you.
01:04:32And she sucks dick.
01:04:34Oof.
01:04:34Sheila continued to work until she was 91.
01:04:38Good for her.
01:04:39Until she was 90 fucking one.
01:04:41What do you think the age range of her clientele is?
01:04:43I got to imagine it had to be guys 50 and older.
01:04:47I don't know.
01:04:48Yeah.
01:04:48I mean, there were definitely, there was, yeah.
01:04:51A couple of fetishists.
01:04:52Yeah, I think there's some kinks that are being worked out there.
01:04:54I think they're all kinks being worked out.
01:04:56I know for a fact it's called lemon porn, so don't Google it.
01:05:00But lemon porn is porn that involves, like, old people.
01:05:02Somebody had me Google it once.
01:05:03E-bom's world.
01:05:04E-bom's world.
01:05:04Yeah, E-bom's world.
01:05:05It was not me.
01:05:06Growing up, that was, yeah.
01:05:07I did not make you do that.
01:05:08So when she was 91, she finally decided to, this is what I wrote, to retire that old blown
01:05:14out elephant trunk amid the pandemic.
01:05:17So what was a victim of the pandemic?
01:05:19Echo, best veal chop in the city, did make it through.
01:05:22I wonder if they have their picture still.
01:05:25They had, like, your favorite picture of, what was her name?
01:05:28It was Chris Alberti.
01:05:29Oh, no.
01:05:30Lauren Hutton?
01:05:31Lauren Hutton, yeah.
01:05:32She had the gap tooth, but that was great.
01:05:35Sheila continued to work until she was 91, and then she stopped during the pandemic.
01:05:38And if you see that picture that I put in of her, she actually has a nice set of stems.
01:05:43You know how much Sheila Vogel Coop charged an hour?
01:05:47250.
01:05:48No.
01:05:48250 pounds.
01:05:49I just said it.
01:05:49I know.
01:05:50Is that, well, pounds?
01:05:51420 in American dollars.
01:05:53Maybe that's, yeah.
01:05:54I think a pound is, yeah.
01:05:56Is that what it comes out to?
01:05:56Is more than the dollar right now?
01:05:58250 quid, though, is a lot.
01:06:00Um, I covered Nazis.
01:06:02I covered Japanese.
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01:07:27So, it's a lot easier to find a list of serial killers who preyed on prostitutes than it is
01:07:32to find prostitutes who are also serial killers.
01:07:34And it makes sense.
01:07:36If you're a serial killer, what's the lowest hanging fruit for you to go after?
01:07:40Prostitutes, homeless people.
01:07:42Yeah, they're forgotten.
01:07:42Like, nobody fucking, you know, looks for them.
01:07:44Orphans.
01:07:45Yeah, orphans.
01:07:46These are all great.
01:07:47That's weird that you know that better.
01:07:49I know.
01:07:49I know where to look.
01:07:50I told you about Vibzy.
01:07:52If you look at all our big serial killers, they're almost always killing hookers.
01:07:56But to see the other side around, there are more than a handful of them, but you got to
01:08:00dig a little bit.
01:08:01The first one that leaps to mind, and I think everyone will be recognized, would be Aileen
01:08:05Wuornos, just because Charlize Theron played her in the 2003 movie Monster.
01:08:11Crushed it.
01:08:12Yeah.
01:08:12She really did.
01:08:13Did she get an Academy Award for that?
01:08:14I think so.
01:08:14Yeah, I believe so.
01:08:16Oh, wait.
01:08:16I'm going to take a left turn right here.
01:08:19We just watched the new Scorsese documentary.
01:08:21Five parts on Netflix.
01:08:23I think it's called, like, I don't know, Becoming Scorsese.
01:08:26I think it's Mr. Scorsese, right?
01:08:27Mr. Scorsese might be.
01:08:29I recommend it.
01:08:30Okay.
01:08:31Especially if you like Scorsese movies, but maybe you don't know all of them.
01:08:34Like, we watched part of it with Bridget, and Bridget's like, is Cape Fear too scary?
01:08:39Can I watch it?
01:08:40I'm like, you should watch Cape Fear.
01:08:41You know, like, I think Annie was like, I never saw Mean Streets.
01:08:44I'm like, oh, let's watch Mean Streets.
01:08:46Let's go and revisit Taxi Driver.
01:08:47Let's go watch Raging Bull.
01:08:48And on top of it, getting through to the point where they start talking about Wolf of Wall Street.
01:08:53That episode probably isn't kid-friendly, because they go into a lot of shit with Wolf of Wall Street.
01:08:56Yeah, that was a rough one with Bridget around.
01:08:58But I will say, Rebecca Miller, the woman that did the documentary, was, I think, singled hers out over all other documentaries.
01:09:05She allowed him to speak the entire time.
01:09:08Yeah.
01:09:08And even if you don't find Scorsese captivating, like, Martin Scorsese has always been like a little weaselly, annoying guy.
01:09:17I think his work is better.
01:09:18Like, he's probably better not doing press.
01:09:20I feel that way about a lot of people.
01:09:21I think that's most directors.
01:09:22Yeah.
01:09:22They're just nerds.
01:09:24They're nerds.
01:09:24And so, like, he was talking in terms of where he grew up and stuff.
01:09:27Like, he was the only fucking person that grew up in and around organized crime.
01:09:31And that obviously was just not true.
01:09:33So it was still very, very, I don't know, worthwhile.
01:09:40Definitely.
01:09:40I think it was very, very worthwhile.
01:09:42If you're a Scorsese fan, if you don't know anything about Martin Scorsese,
01:09:45you probably won't resonate with you.
01:09:47But even the most casual Scorsese fan to a Scorsese freak,
01:09:50which I think I consider myself because he's my favorite director,
01:09:53I think it's worthwhile.
01:09:55Watch it.
01:09:56Okay.
01:09:56On a scale of Shrek, happily forever after to Shrek 1, where would you rank it?
01:10:01I don't know.
01:10:02I thought it was extremely well done.
01:10:03Yeah.
01:10:03I watched Shrek.
01:10:04Everybody had an opinion.
01:10:05But she gave him the voice.
01:10:07And I think that's, I thought it was,
01:10:08everybody else was kind of quiet in the back.
01:10:10Like, he really, she really put him front and center.
01:10:14And you don't get that that often.
01:10:15And also his editor got a lot of shine.
01:10:17And she did a very good job.
01:10:19They bring his daughters in and stuff like that.
01:10:20Because he was married five times.
01:10:22And then, I'm not going to give anything else away.
01:10:25But, you know, not that there's any spoilers.
01:10:27But they do a, like, thing with just him and De Niro
01:10:29and how that had, you know, sort of turned into that dynamic duo.
01:10:33And how the torch was almost passed to Leo.
01:10:36From De Niro with Gangs of New York.
01:10:37Have you seen the show, The Studio, on, I think it's on YouTube?
01:10:42Oh, that's with, uh.
01:10:43It just won a ton of awards.
01:10:44It's with Seth Rogen.
01:10:44Seth Rogen, yeah.
01:10:45It's very good.
01:10:46Mark says he's in, like, the first episode.
01:10:48And he does, he has a good little part.
01:10:49Is it good?
01:10:50Yeah, I had mentioned it to you six episodes ago?
01:10:52Rave reviews, too, right?
01:10:54Yeah, yeah.
01:10:54Yeah, it's great.
01:10:55It's great.
01:10:55Am I going to get, like, if I'm a guy who doesn't like Seth Rogen,
01:10:58like, that kind of gets me up the wall.
01:11:00I think he'd still like it.
01:11:01Yeah?
01:11:01Yeah, but you've got to like, like, the inside.
01:11:04It is an insider thing.
01:11:05The inside baseball of Hollywood, you know?
01:11:07Okay, yeah.
01:11:08I'll watch that if you watch Veep.
01:11:10I'll watch Veep, yes, yes.
01:11:11I've been, yeah.
01:11:12I think I was trying to watch the first episode,
01:11:14and then my, like, internet cut out, and I was like,
01:11:15well, I'm never watching that.
01:11:16Yeah, she was very good in that.
01:11:17Everybody was, the cast was very, very good.
01:11:19Oh, I think we, because there's a funny joke about
01:11:22the Jones Massacre.
01:11:25Oh, really?
01:11:25Oh, the Kool-Aid.
01:11:26Yeah.
01:11:27Yeah.
01:11:27So, it's a whole thing in the show, and it's very funny.
01:11:31Yes.
01:11:31Yeah, yeah.
01:11:31Yeah.
01:11:32So, I won't want to, I don't want to say more, but.
01:11:34Yeah, yeah, right.
01:11:34Yeah, we're buried in the lead.
01:11:36So, anyway, watch Veep, watch the studio, watch the.
01:11:39And they get Scorsese to direct it, right?
01:11:41The Kool-Aid movie?
01:11:42Yeah, he's in the scene and everything.
01:11:43Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:11:44Really?
01:11:45All right, got to watch it then.
01:11:46It's good, it's good.
01:11:47So, hookers who are also serial killers.
01:11:50Aileen Wuornos, she murdered seven of her male clients
01:11:54between 1989 and 1990 while working as a street prostitute
01:11:58in Florida.
01:12:01So, she claims she acted in self-defense,
01:12:03alleging that the men either raped her or attempted to rape her.
01:12:05She was convicted and executed in 2002 after spending
01:12:10more than 10 years on Florida's death row.
01:12:12Those are the facts.
01:12:13Seven of her male clients said it was self-defense,
01:12:17still got convicted, and given a lethal injection in 2002.
01:12:22This is how she got there, though.
01:12:23We talked about daddy issues.
01:12:25She never met her father, a guy named Leo Pittman,
01:12:28who was sentenced to life in prison for kidnapping
01:12:30and raping a seven-year-old girl.
01:12:31So, you see, like, she didn't come from good stock.
01:12:34Right.
01:12:34Right?
01:12:35Leo, father, was a diagnosed schizophrenic,
01:12:37committed suicide by hanging in prison on January 30th of 1969.
01:12:42Mommy issues.
01:12:44Her mom abandoned her and her brother when Aileen was only four,
01:12:47so she was raised by her alcoholic grandparents.
01:12:50Her grandfather assaulted her both physically and sexually,
01:12:53and at one point, Aileen had a sexual relationship with her brother.
01:12:57She eventually got pregnant after being raped by one of her grandfather's
01:13:00friends, and she gave up the kid for adoption.
01:13:03Isn't it setting the fucking table for a perfect...
01:13:06I mean, I don't know.
01:13:07I don't remember Monster.
01:13:08Perfect cocktail of trauma.
01:13:09Yeah, exactly.
01:13:11And for people who do remember Monster,
01:13:14perhaps this was really deep dove into in the movie,
01:13:17but I don't remember it.
01:13:19Right?
01:13:19No, I don't.
01:13:20After her grandmother died of liver failure,
01:13:23this is all by the time she was 15.
01:13:25Her grandfather threw her out of the house,
01:13:27so she was living in the woods near her old home.
01:13:30She dropped out of school and supported herself through prostitution.
01:13:34And between the ages of 14 and 22,
01:13:38she attempted suicide six times.
01:13:41So that's the origin story,
01:13:43which led her to murder seven men in 12 months.
01:13:49All the men were motorists between the ages of 40 and 65,
01:13:54meaning it was one of those things where they were cruising for prostitutes.
01:13:57A little lot lizard.
01:13:58Out of the seven, her first victim was shot several times.
01:14:04Two bullets to the left lung were the cause of his death.
01:14:07The second had been shot six times.
01:14:10The third had been shot nine times.
01:14:13The body was then wrapped in an electric blanket
01:14:15and was badly decomposing when it was found.
01:14:17The fourth body was never found.
01:14:20The fifth had only been shot twice.
01:14:22The sixth was a former chief of police
01:14:24who had been shot seven times in the head and torso,
01:14:28and her seventh and final victim had been shot four times.
01:14:31So she liked to put a lot of lead in her fucking victims.
01:14:34She almost got off on an insanity plea.
01:14:38That's her, you know, her lawyers were doing it.
01:14:40But she was like, nope.
01:14:42And in a petition in 2001 to the Florida Supreme Court,
01:14:46she stated her intention to dismiss her legal counsel
01:14:50and terminate all pending appeals.
01:14:53This is her quote.
01:14:54I killed those men, robbed them as cold as ice,
01:14:58and I'd do it again too.
01:15:00There's no chance in keeping me alive or anything
01:15:03because I'd kill again.
01:15:05I have hate crawling through my system.
01:15:07I'm so sick of hearing that she's crazy.
01:15:10I've been evaluated so many times.
01:15:12I'm competent, I'm sane, and I'm trying to tell the truth.
01:15:16I'm one who seriously hates human life and would kill again.
01:15:20She did that in 2001.
01:15:22Less than a year later, she was dead by lethal injection on October 9, 2002.
01:15:28You know what?
01:15:31I don't know, again, if the movie made it out to be,
01:15:33but that's almost not heroic but admirable that she was like, bullshit.
01:15:39Being honest about it.
01:15:40Yeah.
01:15:40You're not going to fix me.
01:15:42I want to kill everybody I'm fucking talking to right now,
01:15:45and she has good reason, right?
01:15:47From her dad all the way down to her fucking grandfather.
01:15:50So anyway, so then she was dead in 2002.
01:15:53So Wuornos is pretty close to being a household name because of the movie,
01:15:56but this next quartet is not.
01:15:59But I included them because the Guinness Book of World Records,
01:16:02which was the coveted thing at every book fair growing up.
01:16:05Yep.
01:16:06Yeah.
01:16:06They have this quartet.
01:16:08They were sisters as the most prolific murder partnership in history,
01:16:13and they were just a couple of deadly Mexican whores.
01:16:17Las Poquianchis.
01:16:19Las Poquianchis doesn't have a literal translation,
01:16:22but they were called Las Poquianchis.
01:16:24They're also known as the Poquianchi sisters.
01:16:27Their names were Maria Delfina Gonzales Valenzuela,
01:16:34Maria del Carmen Gonzales Valenzuela,
01:16:39Maria Luisa,
01:16:40and Maria de Jesus Gonzales Valenzuela.
01:16:43By the way, I just butchered those fucking four names.
01:16:45My point is that there were four sisters.
01:16:48They were all named Maria,
01:16:50and they had different middle names,
01:16:51so that's how they were called Delfina or Carmen or Luisa or whatever.
01:16:54But they operated a prostitution ring in Mexico from 1950 to 1964.
01:17:00Outside of those fucking annoying names,
01:17:02they didn't have an awful upbringing that Wuornos had had.
01:17:06Their dad was a cop in Jalisco,
01:17:08and he was a strict man who expected his daughters to not wear makeup
01:17:12or interact with boys.
01:17:13If they broke his rules,
01:17:15he'd lock them up in a cell at the police station.
01:17:17All right, that's strict.
01:17:18It's nothing compared to what Aileen went through, right?
01:17:20No.
01:17:21But when the sisters got older,
01:17:22they opened up a bar together,
01:17:24and the bar was not a success.
01:17:26They were bleeding money,
01:17:27so they were forced to turn to a prostitution operating out of the bar,
01:17:31and that business was fucking booming.
01:17:34Yeah.
01:17:34Yeah, they did pretty well with that.
01:17:35Yeah, that'll do it.
01:17:36Yeah.
01:17:36Eventually, police officers searched the sisters' property
01:17:39on grounds of human trafficking
01:17:41and found the bodies.
01:17:42And this is where I'm telling you why I included them.
01:17:46I brought in Aileen because she killed seven people, right?
01:17:49And we talk about how these cops came in.
01:17:52They found the bodies of 80 women, 11 men, and several fetuses.
01:17:58Aileen had a code.
01:18:00Yes.
01:18:00These women did not.
01:18:01Yeah.
01:18:02Investigators revealed that the sisters' criminal operation
01:18:04recruited prostitutes through deceptive help-wanted ads for housemaids,
01:18:08and that many of the girls were force-fed heroin and or cocaine.
01:18:12The sisters killed the prostitutes when they became too ill,
01:18:16damaged by repeated sexual activity,
01:18:18lost their looks, or just stopped pleasing customers.
01:18:21They would also kill customers who showed up with large amounts of cash.
01:18:25In all, the sisters were responsible for the murders of at least 91 people,
01:18:30though the actual number could be as high as 200.
01:18:33Tried in 1964, the Gonzales sisters reached sentenced to only 40 years in prison,
01:18:40and only one, Maria de Jesus, served out her sentence
01:18:43and then disappeared from public sight.
01:18:46That's why I included these girls,
01:18:48because they could have went through a bunch of other ones,
01:18:50but that is prolific.
01:18:52If you look at a list of Mexican serial killers,
01:18:55and by the way, Wikipedia has that.
01:18:58Like, Wikipedia is crazy.
01:19:00Like, you go in there, list of Mexican serial killers,
01:19:02they'll give you every fucking one of them.
01:19:04Not a one, man or woman, duo, quartet, trio, whatever,
01:19:09comes close to these girls as far as killing a lot of people.
01:19:13I'm sure there's cartel members with a lot more blood on their hands,
01:19:16but for Mexican serial killers, these are the top of the food chain.
01:19:19Go ahead, John.
01:19:19This is terrible, but I had the impression going,
01:19:22can I see this list, please?
01:19:25It's a legend list, I'd like to see it.
01:19:29That's John's Trump, I like that.
01:19:30All right, we'll close out with two more horrors
01:19:32in memory of a female performer from a bachelor party back in my day,
01:19:36Sexy Selena.
01:19:37Does anyone remember?
01:19:38Why do you look right at me?
01:19:40Do you remember Sexy?
01:19:40Was it my boot that had her first?
01:19:41You're talking about Selena?
01:19:42Sexy Selena, no, no, Sexy Selena.
01:19:44So she was a, do you remember her?
01:19:47No, I don't know.
01:19:47Oh, she might have been a New York phenomenon.
01:19:49I'm with John on this one.
01:19:50If anyone listening knows.
01:19:52She was talking about the original Selena.
01:19:53She was just a Wall Street.
01:19:54Yeah.
01:19:54Oh, you're talking about the Mexican singer who got shot?
01:19:56Yeah.
01:19:56Yeah.
01:19:57Famously portrayed by J-Lo.
01:19:59Yeah.
01:19:59Yeah.
01:20:00I would say that she was number one as far as popular Selena's,
01:20:04but in certain parts of New York City,
01:20:06there was a stripper that you were able to rent.
01:20:09Her name was Sexy Selena,
01:20:10and she was the one who shot ping pong balls,
01:20:12and then you would hit him with a fucking wiffle ball bat.
01:20:14That's cool.
01:20:14People have done that since then.
01:20:16Yeah.
01:20:16But Sexy Selena, as far as I thought,
01:20:19she was a real groundbreaker, all right?
01:20:21But so sticking in that kind of vein,
01:20:23like I remember they used to put out like a tarp,
01:20:26and she would shoot fucking ping pong balls,
01:20:28and guys would stand there.
01:20:29I left when she came in.
01:20:30It's fucking crazy.
01:20:31Clearly you stayed.
01:20:32I never stayed.
01:20:33I never saw her live yet.
01:20:34But, you know, everyone knew about her.
01:20:35That's unfortunate.
01:20:35Or you see like fucking weird grainy pictures of her.
01:20:38The ATO.
01:20:38What was the one, what was the bar that was on there?
01:20:40There were two the same,
01:20:41but one was on Greenwich Street.
01:20:43Was it atrium?
01:20:44There was two.
01:20:45Like one was like the church,
01:20:45and one was the,
01:20:47I can't think of the name of the other one.
01:20:49That's the one where she used to come.
01:20:50And I would be like, all right.
01:20:51The church was Moran's.
01:20:53Moran's the church, right?
01:20:54So that was,
01:20:55and then the one next to it was like a,
01:20:57it was like a.
01:20:58Like a pushcat lounge?
01:20:59Yeah, I guess that's what it was.
01:21:00Wasn't there a girl who could blow out candles with her?
01:21:03Yeah.
01:21:03Possibly.
01:21:04We spoke about that too when we did prostitution.
01:21:06We talked about the string shows.
01:21:08Very talented.
01:21:08Where the girl would put the spool of string up there.
01:21:10Yes, yes, I remember that one.
01:21:11Or, yeah, and then she would have you hold the end of the string.
01:21:15Yes, gladly.
01:21:15And she would slowly back away from you as it was feeding out from her vagina.
01:21:20She'd go around the room.
01:21:20She'd go around the room and like walk around tables and cover them a couple times.
01:21:24So she had thousands of yards of string up there.
01:21:28I don't know what she was covering them with.
01:21:29So by the end of the show,
01:21:31the place would look like this fucking funky ass spider web.
01:21:35Yeah, like a spider spinning its web.
01:21:36I love that.
01:21:36Yeah.
01:21:37So we'll mention two of those just to lighten it up on the way out.
01:21:40First one's name is Pris.
01:21:41Pris Frothington.
01:21:43It's a great name.
01:21:44She was in the mid 1600s London.
01:21:46She was a prostitute who made a name for herself
01:21:49through the long forgotten novelty sex act called chucking,
01:21:53which I never heard of.
01:21:55She would stand on her head naked, legs akimbo.
01:21:58What a great word.
01:21:59So legs akimbo and onlookers would chuck coins
01:22:02into what she referred to as her commodity,
01:22:05which was her love purse.
01:22:07And according to legend, she could fit 16 half crowns.
01:22:13It's true.
01:22:13God bless you.
01:22:15Excuse me.
01:22:16That was tough.
01:22:17That was powerful.
01:22:19Chucking always does that to me.
01:22:21So she could fit 16 half crowns up inside of her.
01:22:25Pris Frothington was in the mid 1600s rest in peace.
01:22:29But the second one is much more recent,
01:22:30having died in only 2023.
01:22:33Do we know how old she was?
01:22:34Her name is Sticky Vicky.
01:22:36I like that.
01:22:37Her real name is Victoria Maria Aragues Gadea,
01:22:42known professionally as Sticky Vicky.
01:22:44She was a Spanish ballet dancer and illusionist
01:22:47known for her vaginal magic show.
01:22:50During her show, she would pull out ping pong balls.
01:22:52She died at 80.
01:22:53Razor blades, eggs, handkerchiefs, and machetes from her private parts.
01:22:58Her closer would end with the lights dimming,
01:23:02and then she would pull out a lit light bulb.
01:23:04Wow.
01:23:05God bless her.
01:23:05Her career spanned almost 50 years with her final performance
01:23:08taking place in autumn of 2015.
01:23:10It was estimated that 6 million people saw Sticky Vicky
01:23:15as she performed six times a day at a Spanish vacation town
01:23:20called Benidorm,
01:23:22which kind of resembles a Spanish version of Myrtle Beach
01:23:24from what I can see, but maybe it's much better.
01:23:26But either way, that was just a twisted history of whores.
01:23:30I'd like to thank everyone for listening
01:23:32and give a big rest in peace to probably Sexy Selena,
01:23:37definitely Pris Frothington, certainly Sticky Vicky.
01:23:40Shout out Vaginal Magic Shows.
01:23:41Vaginal Magic Shows.
01:23:42Let's bring those back.
01:23:43And they certainly brought in the cash.
01:23:45Yeah.
01:23:46Right?
01:23:46They did well.
01:23:47I mean, 6 million people.
01:23:48We mentioned Sticky Vicky here.
01:23:51I mentioned Sexy Selena,
01:23:53and it would make...
01:23:54I don't mean to mention my brothers again.
01:23:56She would shoot eggs too, right?
01:23:57Yeah, eggs.
01:23:58But my older brother and I,
01:24:00and the people that we hung out with,
01:24:01would all be like, oh, we've heard of her.
01:24:03Not that anyone's all been to their show
01:24:04or her show or anything,
01:24:06but you at least heard of her.
01:24:07Word gets around when 6 million people are seeing it.
01:24:10If 6 million people witnessed it,
01:24:12that means 160 million people have heard of it
01:24:15because when I see somebody pull a light bulb out of her,
01:24:18you know, zotch,
01:24:19it's one of those things where I tell 20 friends.
01:24:22Absolutely.
01:24:22So I think that in certain...
01:24:24And it's so recent, right?
01:24:26She just died in 2023.
01:24:28It's so recent that I'm sure that in certain towns
01:24:30of Spain,
01:24:32this woman is an absolute fucking legend.
01:24:35So that's it.
01:24:35Just out of curiosity,
01:24:36how big is a 16 half crown?
01:24:40I don't know.
01:24:41I think it's got to be at least a half dollar, right?
01:24:43I think it's heavy.
01:24:44I think it's heavy.
01:24:45The big thick one.
01:24:46Yeah.
01:24:47And the thing is, like throwing it...
01:24:48I wonder if you can hear another one in there when it hits.
01:24:51Yeah.
01:24:51Or if it's a bloop.
01:24:53Right.
01:24:53Yeah.
01:24:53I mean, I'm assuming she was kind of cavernous
01:24:55because otherwise,
01:24:56what are you trying to throw at?
01:24:57I barely even able to get into the bucket
01:24:59on the way out of fucking Stu Leonard's.
01:25:01I can't imagine I'd have...
01:25:02Like everybody...
01:25:03Like you always try to get the napkin in the garbage can.
01:25:05Yeah.
01:25:06That's exactly it.
01:25:07And you always give me one of these.
01:25:08We'll get out of the way.
01:25:09That's a vaginal one, though.
01:25:10All right.
01:25:11So that's it for the Twisted History of Horse.
01:25:13We appreciate you guys.
01:25:15Next month,
01:25:16we might still have a very important guest coming in.
01:25:19Right?
01:25:20Is that still on?
01:25:21Oh, yeah.
01:25:21Absolutely.
01:25:22I can't wait.
01:25:23I'm going to call him Kenny.
01:25:24Kenny Burns is going to come in.
01:25:25So stay tuned for that.
01:25:27And we'll see you next time on Twisted History.
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